Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Out of my pigs hooves, no. And what makes you think that the pus coming out from around their hooves isn't their means of pushing toxins out? We push toxins out our sweat glands, so just because they don't have sweat glands doesn't mean that they too don't have a way to push toxins out. That also is a possibility of an infection and should be addressed. Humans are toxic as well. Hence Liver Cleanses, and Colon flushes and blah blah blah.. it goes on and on and on. Any animal can be toxic and hold it in it's body. Do you eat horse meat? And then there are Mule Foot hogs... Check them out they have solid hooves like a horse rather than split toes. Holt wrote: > > > Have you ever seen pus come out around your pig's hooves or other > pig's hooves? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bill <lynchwtgmail (DOT) com <mailto:lynchwt% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to > > > eat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:native- nutrition% 40groups. com> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 9:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Come on, Dan, this is nonsense. " Poisonous and filthy " is not a > > > > > > > biological description. What exactly do you think will happen to you > > > > > > > when you eat a pig that ate decaying food, maggots, and urine, > > > > > > > assuming there were no pesticides in its food? I can't handle eating > > > > > > > grass either, but grass-fed beef is not bad for me. And I'll take the > > > > > > > extra fat, thank you very much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Holt < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pig or swine is a very popular food item with most Christians. Yet > > > > > > > Christians > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are unaware that the God they profess to believe in had condemned > > > > > > > the eating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of swine's flesh. The condemnation was based on some very sound > > > > > > > biological principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are some facts on pork that prove it to be a very unhealthy > > > > > > > food to eat: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, > > > > > > > excrement, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They > > > > > > > will even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 times more toxic than beef or venison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the > > > > > > > meat so what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can > > > > > > > be filtered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to > > > > > > > digest the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does > > > > > > > not sweat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the toxins remain within its body and in the meat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with > > > > > > > strychnine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or other poisons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the > > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the > > > > > > > venom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner > > > > > > > and faster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full > > > > > > > of worms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as > > > > > > > tapeworms, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which > > > > > > > pork can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts,and eggs > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains > > > > > > > 8.5 grams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib > > > > > > > has 11.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be > > > > > > > purified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 > > > > > > > hours to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to > > > > > > > humans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their > > > > > > > carcase (Leviticus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11:8). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once > > > > > > > ingested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the > > > > > > > brain. This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes > > > > > > > lacking, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, > > > > > > > arthritis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or > > > > > > > acute alcoholism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a > > > > > > > sewer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of > > > > > > > the foot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other reasons grounded in biological facts that could be listed to > > > > > > > show why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pigs and swine should not be eaten. But a true Christian should only > > > > > > > need one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason why not to eat this type of food because God prohibited it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the swine, because it divides the hoof, yet does not chew the cud, > > > > > > > it is unclean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unto you: you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead > > > > > > > carcase. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say Christ abolished the law condemning pork are motivated by their > > > > > > > stomach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not Scripture. The problems with pork are biological, and Christ > > > > > > > never changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the laws of biology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Chickens and Guineas eat poisonous snakes as well. Nope, no experience with snake bites. However, here are some personal experiences of people whose pigs were bitten by snakes. http://www.thepigsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152 One sounds like the pig shed it's ENTIRE HIDE to survive! NASTY! That's also a detoxification by the way. Otherwise, other people found them dead. And to research just type in " pigs snake bites " into google. It's pretty easy. It's hard to discount a forum with multiple people sharing their experiences. Holt wrote: > > > I wasn't arguing about that. The main point I got out of the article > is that pigs don't really filter out toxins so there are toxins > located all throughout their tissue that we may consume. They also > eat poisonous animals and can handle snake bites. Not sure if it is > true since I don't have the research but you may or may not know > because you've had experience with the pigs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bill <lynchwtgmail (DOT) com <mailto:lynchwt% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to > > > eat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:native- nutrition% 40groups. com> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 9:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Come on, Dan, this is nonsense. " Poisonous and filthy " is not a > > > > > > > biological description. What exactly do you think will happen to you > > > > > > > when you eat a pig that ate decaying food, maggots, and urine, > > > > > > > assuming there were no pesticides in its food? I can't handle eating > > > > > > > grass either, but grass-fed beef is not bad for me. And I'll take the > > > > > > > extra fat, thank you very much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Holt < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pig or swine is a very popular food item with most Christians. Yet > > > > > > > Christians > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are unaware that the God they profess to believe in had condemned > > > > > > > the eating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of swine's flesh. The condemnation was based on some very sound > > > > > > > biological principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are some facts on pork that prove it to be a very unhealthy > > > > > > > food to eat: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, > > > > > > > excrement, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They > > > > > > > will even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 times more toxic than beef or venison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the > > > > > > > meat so what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can > > > > > > > be filtered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to > > > > > > > digest the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does > > > > > > > not sweat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the toxins remain within its body and in the meat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with > > > > > > > strychnine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or other poisons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the > > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the > > > > > > > venom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner > > > > > > > and faster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full > > > > > > > of worms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as > > > > > > > tapeworms, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which > > > > > > > pork can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts,and eggs > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains > > > > > > > 8.5 grams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib > > > > > > > has 11.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be > > > > > > > purified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 > > > > > > > hours to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to > > > > > > > humans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their > > > > > > > carcase (Leviticus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11:8). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once > > > > > > > ingested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the > > > > > > > brain. This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes > > > > > > > lacking, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, > > > > > > > arthritis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or > > > > > > > acute alcoholism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a > > > > > > > sewer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of > > > > > > > the foot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other reasons grounded in biological facts that could be listed to > > > > > > > show why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pigs and swine should not be eaten. But a true Christian should only > > > > > > > need one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason why not to eat this type of food because God prohibited it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the swine, because it divides the hoof, yet does not chew the cud, > > > > > > > it is unclean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unto you: you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead > > > > > > > carcase. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say Christ abolished the law condemning pork are motivated by their > > > > > > > stomach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not Scripture. The problems with pork are biological, and Christ > > > > > > > never changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the laws of biology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Sally is uncertain by the sounds of it. I find it a little confusing that she pushes lard so very very hard but not using the meat. I'm not about to toss an entire animal just for the fat, that is horribly wasteful. She also admits that she consumes pork. It sounds like, once again, Western culture doesn't know how to properly prepare the meat just like many other things and soybeans is a really really good example. Holt wrote: > > > Can't find any published studies. Here is what Sally Fallon has to > add in: > > <<<<<Where is your study for the harmful effects of the > consumption of parasite free organic pork meat on human's blood > chemistry for several hours?>>>>> > > It was first of all an unpublished study done back in the 1980s, personal > communication, Pat Connolly of PPNF. But I did ask a person who does > live > blood cell analysis a few years ago and he told me the same thing, > that he sees > what he called " undesirable " changes in the blood after pork consumption. > > On the other hand, many health traditional peoples consume pork. I > consume pork. So faced with this conflicting information, I have listed > pork as a food that is fine for people that are healthy, but those > dealing with > serious illness may want to avoid it. Sally > I had a Chinese man tell me that in the West, we don't know how to > properly > prepare pork. I needs to be soaked in vinegar before cooking. This > is a kind of fermentation as is curing. Would be really interesting > to do > research comparing cured/soaked pork versus fresh pork. Sally > > > > From: doublethink03 <doublethink03@... > <mailto:doublethink03%40.de>> > Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to eat. > > <mailto: %40> > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 2:15 AM > > > > Do you have better sources then that British Israelism website? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Neither have only consumed those meats. They've never really been able to. Here's another oddity, my friend who's allergic to chicken also can't drink full fat goat milk but she can drink full fat Jersey milk but not other breeds. So if you can explain that one, she's appreciate it. The best I can figure is the fat in the Jersey cows milk has larger fat globules so it slows her digestion down enough for her to actually digest it. Holt wrote: > > > A reason people may develop allergies is because those people are > unable to produce enzymes to digest the meat since they cook it all > the time. > > A theory is maybe they consumed that type animal meat cooked too much > so they used up those enzymes. > > Or I could be wrong and they are allergic to it no matter what. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bill <lynchwtgmail (DOT) com <mailto:lynchwt% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to > > > eat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:native- nutrition% 40groups. com> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 9:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Come on, Dan, this is nonsense. " Poisonous and filthy " is not a > > > > > > > biological description. What exactly do you think will happen to you > > > > > > > when you eat a pig that ate decaying food, maggots, and urine, > > > > > > > assuming there were no pesticides in its food? I can't handle eating > > > > > > > grass either, but grass-fed beef is not bad for me. And I'll take the > > > > > > > extra fat, thank you very much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Holt < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pig or swine is a very popular food item with most Christians. Yet > > > > > > > Christians > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are unaware that the God they profess to believe in had condemned > > > > > > > the eating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of swine's flesh. The condemnation was based on some very sound > > > > > > > biological principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are some facts on pork that prove it to be a very unhealthy > > > > > > > food to eat: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, > > > > > > > excrement, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They > > > > > > > will even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 times more toxic than beef or venison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the > > > > > > > meat so what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can > > > > > > > be filtered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to > > > > > > > digest the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does > > > > > > > not sweat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the toxins remain within its body and in the meat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with > > > > > > > strychnine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or other poisons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the > > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the > > > > > > > venom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner > > > > > > > and faster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full > > > > > > > of worms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as > > > > > > > tapeworms, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which > > > > > > > pork can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts,and eggs > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains > > > > > > > 8.5 grams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib > > > > > > > has 11.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be > > > > > > > purified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 > > > > > > > hours to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to > > > > > > > humans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their > > > > > > > carcase (Leviticus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11:8). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once > > > > > > > ingested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the > > > > > > > brain. This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes > > > > > > > lacking, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, > > > > > > > arthritis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or > > > > > > > acute alcoholism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a > > > > > > > sewer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of > > > > > > > the foot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other reasons grounded in biological facts that could be listed to > > > > > > > show why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pigs and swine should not be eaten. But a true Christian should only > > > > > > > need one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason why not to eat this type of food because God prohibited it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the swine, because it divides the hoof, yet does not chew the cud, > > > > > > > it is unclean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unto you: you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead > > > > > > > carcase. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say Christ abolished the law condemning pork are motivated by their > > > > > > > stomach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not Scripture. The problems with pork are biological, and Christ > > > > > > > never changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the laws of biology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Nifty! lol Dawn wrote: > > > , > > I've also heard of horses snacking on rodents that were in/near their > grain > or hay and they could catch. > > Dawn > > From: > <mailto: %40> > [mailto: > <mailto: %40>] On Behalf Of Gasper > Family Farm > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:53 PM > > <mailto: %40> > Subject: Re: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to > eat. > > For all your amusement. > > http://www.livestockforlandscapes.com/pdfs/CowsEatRabbits.pdf > <http://www.livestockforlandscapes.com/pdfs/CowsEatRabbits.pdf> > > Cows will scavenge with the best of them in order to fill nutritional > needs. My father is an old time farmer (80 years old), I sent him this > article and he wasn't the least bit surprised as he knew cows would pick > up bones out in the pasture and munch on those to get the calcium, > phosphorous, and etc from them. They'd also get hunks of dried leather > hide to chew on as well. Cows do not just eat grass. They also eat dirt > to get nutrients. The oddest thing for me to watch was my first dairy > cow licking the dirt between beautifully lush grass rather than eating > the grass growing in it. How many bugs do they eat while grazing? > Besides cows, I've watched my ducks eat dog poop straight, flipped it up > in the air and down it went no picking through for bugs or anything. I > was a little grossed out by that one though.. lol Still eat duck though. > I also watch my chickens eat the same stuff my hogs do. Oh, then our > chickens catch and eat mice, it's rather entertaining to watch. They > taught the ducks how to be mice catchers as well, the ducks just swallow > them whole though... > > So I thought you might all enjoy a farmers perspective whose experienced > many an odd thing... > > > > Holt wrote: > > > > > > Cows have four stomachs to completely digest that grass. > > > > > > > > From: Bill <lynchwt@... <mailto:lynchwt%40gmail.com> > <mailto:lynchwt%40gmail.com> > <mailto:lynchwt%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to > eat. > > > <mailto: %40> > <mailto: %40> > > <mailto: %40> > > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 9:34 AM > > > > > > > > Come on, Dan, this is nonsense. " Poisonous and filthy " is not a > > biological description. What exactly do you think will happen to you > > when you eat a pig that ate decaying food, maggots, and urine, > > assuming there were no pesticides in its food? I can't handle eating > > grass either, but grass-fed beef is not bad for me. And I'll take the > > extra fat, thank you very much. > > > > Bill > > > > --- In , Holt < > > > > > THE > > > > > pig or swine is a very popular food item with most Christians. Yet > > Christians > > > > > are unaware that the God they profess to believe in had condemned > > the eating > > > > > of swine's flesh. The condemnation was based on some very sound > > biological principles. > > > > > Here are some facts on pork that prove it to be a very unhealthy > > food to eat: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, > > excrement, > > > > > dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They > > will even > > > > > eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals. > > > > > > > > > > The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat > > can be > > > > > 30 times more toxic than beef or venison. > > > > > > > > > > When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the > > meat so what > > > > > little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can > > be filtered > > > > > by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to > > digest the > > > > > meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. > > > > > > > > > > Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration > > is a > > > > > means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does > > not sweat, > > > > > the toxins remain within its body and in the meat. > > > > > > > > > > Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with > > strychnine > > > > > or other poisons. > > > > > > > > > > Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the > > pigs > > > > > will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the > > venom. > > > > > > > > > > When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner > > and faster > > > > > than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full > > of worms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as > > tapeworms, > > > > > flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which > > pork can > > > > > be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts,and eggs > > will be > > > > > killed. > > > > > > > > > > Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains > > 8.5 grams > > > > > of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib > > has 11.1 > > > > > grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat. > > > > > > > > > > Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus > > takes > > > > > over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be > > purified > > > > > of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 > > hours to > > > > > digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh. > > > > > > > > > > The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to > > humans. > > > > > This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their > > carcase (Leviticus > > > > > 11:8). > > > > > > > > > > The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once > > ingested > > > > > can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the > > brain. This > > > > > results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes > > lacking, but > > > > > when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, > > arthritis, > > > > > rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or > > acute alcoholism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a > > sewer > > > > > line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of > > the foot. > > > > > Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its > > system > > > > > fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig. > > > > > > > > > > There are > > > > > other reasons grounded in biological facts that could be listed to > > show why > > > > > pigs and swine should not be eaten. But a true Christian should only > > need one > > > > > reason why not to eat this type of food because God prohibited it. > > > > > " And > > > > > the swine, because it divides the hoof, yet does not chew the cud, > > it is unclean > > > > > unto you: you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead > > carcase. " > > > > > - Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8 > > > > > Those who > > > > > say Christ abolished the law condemning pork are motivated by their > > stomach > > > > > not Scripture. The problems with pork are biological, and Christ > > never changed > > > > > the laws of biology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Koreans also raise dogs to eat them, as do Vietnamese, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009  lol That's an awfully bold statement. " Yeah, the ignorant poor cultures that aren't as good off and most likely haven't developed a complex fundamental structure for even eating. " <<<You may want to research that before stating something as stupid as that. I do not consider the Chinese, whom developed the quite complex Eastern medicine, to be ignorant nor poor. In many countries it's considered a delicacy even by the wealthy. The Aztecs raised them for meat (granted they also performed human sacrifice) but they developed a very complex culture and historians and archaeologists have barely scratched the surface for what that culture accomplished. These are only two cultures. Please, next time take the time to read before you state something as silly as that. However, much of the dog eating is stopping due to the influence of western culture.>>>>>>> I wonder what age of the Chinese you are talking about. In recent times they are one of the biggest examples of what can go wrong with a country. Huge population of poor, over populated, oppressive government, polution, waste, far worse in that category than America or any other country. Behind in every way. Perhaps they did have one of the most advanced Governments centuries if not millenia ago, but not in recent times. Not knowing my history too well I'll guess either it's the poor that eat dogs or it is the modern inferior government officials that eat it. Aztecs may have had interesting particularly advanced skills, but as a whole culture they were very primitive. Unlike some Native Indian cultures I can't say there is any personal attributes of an aztec individual I would admire in particular. In my opinion they are a terrible example of a culture at that, where there are the people at top who get all the meat while most of the population lived meagerly. I would not want to be an aztec living in those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Mark McAfee of organic pastures recommends taking in raw yogurt more often in order to build up you enzyme and probiotic stores. This helps consume raw milk down the line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bill <lynchwtgmail (DOT) com <mailto:lynchwt% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to > > > eat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:native- nutrition% 40groups. com> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 9:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Come on, Dan, this is nonsense. " Poisonous and filthy " is not a > > > > > > > biological description. What exactly do you think will happen to you > > > > > > > when you eat a pig that ate decaying food, maggots, and urine, > > > > > > > assuming there were no pesticides in its food? I can't handle eating > > > > > > > grass either, but grass-fed beef is not bad for me. And I'll take the > > > > > > > extra fat, thank you very much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Holt < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pig or swine is a very popular food item with most Christians. Yet > > > > > > > Christians > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are unaware that the God they profess to believe in had condemned > > > > > > > the eating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of swine's flesh. The condemnation was based on some very sound > > > > > > > biological principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are some facts on pork that prove it to be a very unhealthy > > > > > > > food to eat: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, > > > > > > > excrement, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They > > > > > > > will even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 times more toxic than beef or venison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the > > > > > > > meat so what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can > > > > > > > be filtered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to > > > > > > > digest the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does > > > > > > > not sweat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the toxins remain within its body and in the meat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with > > > > > > > strychnine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or other poisons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the > > > > > > > pigs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the > > > > > > > venom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner > > > > > > > and faster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full > > > > > > > of worms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as > > > > > > > tapeworms, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which > > > > > > > pork can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts,and eggs > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains > > > > > > > 8.5 grams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib > > > > > > > has 11.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be > > > > > > > purified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 > > > > > > > hours to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to > > > > > > > humans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their > > > > > > > carcase (Leviticus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11:8). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once > > > > > > > ingested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the > > > > > > > brain. This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes > > > > > > > lacking, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, > > > > > > > arthritis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or > > > > > > > acute alcoholism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a > > > > > > > sewer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of > > > > > > > the foot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other reasons grounded in biological facts that could be listed to > > > > > > > show why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pigs and swine should not be eaten. But a true Christian should only > > > > > > > need one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason why not to eat this type of food because God prohibited it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the swine, because it divides the hoof, yet does not chew the cud, > > > > > > > it is unclean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unto you: you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead > > > > > > > carcase. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say Christ abolished the law condemning pork are motivated by their > > > > > > > stomach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not Scripture. The problems with pork are biological, and Christ > > > > > > > never changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the laws of biology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I'm going to side with Enig. That's my preference. It's mostly her recommendation against eating pig. While I do eat pig, I don't believe it's particularly healthy. There's a lot worse things you could do, and if you consume pastured pig it's far better than consuming anything from the supermarket. > > From: doublethink03 <doublethink03@ .de > <mailto:doublethink 03%40. de>> > Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to eat. > > <mailto:native- nutrition% 40groups. com> > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 2:15 AM > > > > Do you have better sources then that British Israelism website? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Interesting. Another great illustration of the problem of confusing biology with primitive religious beliefs. Didn't God create everything and declare that it was good? Not that anything written in the OT matters one whit to me. I'm here for the nutrition science. :-) Jeanmarie On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, haecklers wrote: > I read in a book where the author looked at the history of different > domesticated species that the reason pigs were forbidden had more to > do with the fact that with their large litter size and interesting > organ of procreation (it's not the tail that's a corkscrew) they > became a symbol of fertility in some cultures. Some non-Jewish > cultures in/near Israel had whopping fun fertility festivals that > involved drinking, feasting on pork and lots of " fertility acts " , if > you know what I mean. With parties like that as a " religious " > celebration, they were getting lots of converts from the local > youth. Banning pork was symbolic of keeping the kids (and older > people) away from those pig roasts, since the pig roasts were > symbolic of the all the rest to them. > > > > > > In general I'd say to avoid scavengers such as pigs or bottom > feeders from the ocean because it appears that since their role is > to clean up the environment of toxins, they happen to carry a lot of > toxins in them. > > > > I don't feel the religious talk was necessary but I do appreciate > the fact that this guy did provide plenty of interesting relevant > facts. > > > > Speaking of religion, there is a healer name of God who > recommends that people refrain from swine, sex, pepper, or alcohol > for a long period of time while he does his miracle healing or > benefits will reverse. > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 8 > New Members > Visit Your Group > Ads on > Learn more now. > Reach customers > searching for you. > Drive Traffic > Sponsored Search > can help increase > your site traffic. > Celebrity kids > and families > Surviving in > the spotligh_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Some pretty advanced ancient civilizations ate dog, including the elite classes (especially the elite?). The Chinese and the Mayans or Aztecs and I am sure there are many more. Aztecs http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080409-cremations.html Chinese Emperors http://www.china.org.cn/english/imperial/26112.htm Mayans http://www.mayanforum.net/mayan/mayan-food/ Dawn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Holt Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:36 AM Subject: RE: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to eat. <<<Perhaps it depends on the society. Pigs were kept in cities and cleaned up trash and rotting things, could also eat humans. It makes it seem kind of like cannibalism to eat something that was eating humans.>> Eating human flesh may actually be good for people. Strangely enough whenever an aborigne would die the others would dig up the corpse after a couple days and eat it. They aren't sick people, they are considered very wise and kind. But they ate human flesh whenever they got the chance. It may not be healthy to eat modern people that follow Standard American Diet. I've heard of a princess or queen that would eat young women and was very youthful looking up to her 50s until she was persecuted from it centuries ago. <<<Dogs also clean up a lot of waste and carrion and in many cultures are considered to be " filthy " animals also. Yet in some cultures they are a food source.>> Yeah, the ignorant poor cultures that aren't as good off and most likely haven't developed a complex fundamental structure for even eating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Right on, Bill. Learning about the " soil-food web " taught me that one species' waste is another species' dinner. There's undigested protein and other nutrients in every animal's poop that other species, whether animal or insect, can make use of. Digestion is what it's all about! :-) Jeanmarie On Sep 27, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Bill wrote: > Yes, and pigs digest the feces, urine, cancer and other garbage you > say they eat. Why would any of that survive digestion? The whole > point of digestion for any animal is to break down food into units > that can serve as building blocks for the biological needs of the > body. Putting aside chemicals like pesticides that biological > systems have not evolved to break down, " scavengers " don't pass on > what they eat to those of us that eat them. They perform an > ecological service--we might as well avoid vegetables because they > were fed by worms that eat dirt and nasty stuff. > > Bill > > > > > > From: Bill <lynchwt@...> > > Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat > to eat. > > > > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 9:34 AM > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Rabbits re-eat their feces, the first time doesn't digest it well enough I guess. =) Dawn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jeanmarie Todd Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to eat. Right on, Bill. Learning about the " soil-food web " taught me that one species' waste is another species' dinner. There's undigested protein and other nutrients in every animal's poop that other species, whether animal or insect, can make use of. Digestion is what it's all about! :-) Jeanmarie On Sep 27, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Bill wrote: > Yes, and pigs digest the feces, urine, cancer and other garbage you > say they eat. Why would any of that survive digestion? The whole > point of digestion for any animal is to break down food into units > that can serve as building blocks for the biological needs of the > body. Putting aside chemicals like pesticides that biological > systems have not evolved to break down, " scavengers " don't pass on > what they eat to those of us that eat them. They perform an > ecological service--we might as well avoid vegetables because they > were fed by worms that eat dirt and nasty stuff. > > Bill > > > > > > From: Bill <lynchwt@...> > > Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat > to eat. > > <mailto: %40> > > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 9:34 AM > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Sally doesn't say that much about pork in NT, and I could find no pork recipes in the index. However, she sings the praises of lard. On pork, from page 32 of the introduction, she says: " Investigation into the effects of pork consumption on blood chemistry has revealed serious changes for several hours after pork is consumed. (footnote 117) The pork used was organic, free of trichinosis, so the changes that occurred in the blood were due to some other factor, possibly a protein unique to pork. In the laboratory, pork is one of the best mediums for feeding the growth on cancer cells. [and here I thought it was sugar!] The prohibitions against pork found in the Bible and the Koran thus may derive from something other than a concern for parasite contamination. However, in fairness it must be noted that many groups noted for longevity, such as the inhabitants of Soviet Georgia and Okinawa, consume pork meat and lard in their diet on a daily basis. Lard is an excellent source of vitamin D. " On p.18 she write more about lard. While she raises the possibility there are problems with pork, it doesn't extend to pork fat, and she does point out those healthy cultures that rely on pork. So, no, she doesn't say one shouldn't eat pork. The only other mention of pork in NT, according to the subject index, is on p. 61 where she discusses macrobiotics and how, in that dietary scheme, pork is considered the most yang of meats. That's it. Jeanmarie On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:49 AM, doublethink03 wrote: > I think Sally also writes in Nourishing Traditions that one > shouldn't eat pork. However, the reasons she gives are the same that > I've read on vegan websites and they didn't convince me. Pigs > certainly have been a part of healthy peoples' traditional diets, > for example in Okinawa they've been a staple food as far as I know. > ___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 And my dogs, being natural scavengers, would gladly eat the feces of just about any species they come across (deer, rodents, other dogs) if I let them. I don't, just in case there are parasitic worms in there and because I don't like to be kissed by potty-mouthed dogs (but I do let my dogs lick my face, yes), not because I think it's bad for them. My dogs have been found scavenging in my cats' litter box, too. Why this tastes yummy to dogs, I don't know, but it does. I also don't want them to get in the habit of eating any old thing they find on the ground, as there are people who leave out poisoned food to get rid of skunks and/or their neighbors' dogs. Jeanmarie On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Dawn wrote: > Rabbits re-eat their feces, the first time doesn't digest it well > enough I > guess. =) > > Dawn > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jeanmarie Todd > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest > meat to > eat. > > Right on, Bill. Learning about the " soil-food web " taught me that one > species' waste is another species' dinner. There's undigested protein > and other nutrients in every animal's poop that other species, whether > animal or insect, can make use of. Digestion is what it's all > about! :-) > Jeanmarie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I don't know about other animals, but dogs and horses eat their feces looking for the digestive aids that are in them. Horses will poop in their water as a self-medicating probiotic. They are trying to get the good gut flora going the only way they can! Since I started feeding raw, my dogs don't eat poop anymore. Kathy ---- Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...> wrote: ============= And my dogs, being natural scavengers, would gladly eat the feces of just about any species they come across (deer, rodents, other dogs) if I let them. I don't, just in case there are parasitic worms in there and because I don't like to be kissed by potty-mouthed dogs (but I do let my dogs lick my face, yes), not because I think it's bad for them. My dogs have been found scavenging in my cats' litter box, too. Why this tastes yummy to dogs, I don't know, but it does. I also don't want them to get in the habit of eating any old thing they find on the ground, as there are people who leave out poisoned food to get rid of skunks and/or their neighbors' dogs. Jeanmarie On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Dawn wrote: > Rabbits re-eat their feces, the first time doesn't digest it well > enough I > guess. =) > > Dawn > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jeanmarie Todd > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest > meat to > eat. > > Right on, Bill. Learning about the " soil-food web " taught me that one > species' waste is another species' dinner. There's undigested protein > and other nutrients in every animal's poop that other species, whether > animal or insect, can make use of. Digestion is what it's all > about! :-) > Jeanmarie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I found mine did the litter box chocolates less if I gave them good probiotics. Also if you feed the cats probiotics and grain free/articifical flavor/preservative free foods. ie Raw. Then they have no interest in it. Dawn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jeanmarie Todd Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to eat. And my dogs, being natural scavengers, would gladly eat the feces of just about any species they come across (deer, rodents, other dogs) if I let them. I don't, just in case there are parasitic worms in there and because I don't like to be kissed by potty-mouthed dogs (but I do let my dogs lick my face, yes), not because I think it's bad for them. My dogs have been found scavenging in my cats' litter box, too. Why this tastes yummy to dogs, I don't know, but it does. I also don't want them to get in the habit of eating any old thing they find on the ground, as there are people who leave out poisoned food to get rid of skunks and/or their neighbors' dogs. Jeanmarie On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Dawn wrote: > Rabbits re-eat their feces, the first time doesn't digest it well > enough I > guess. =) > > Dawn > > From: <mailto: %40> > [mailto: <mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of Jeanmarie Todd > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:59 PM > <mailto: %40> > Subject: Re: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest > meat to > eat. > > Right on, Bill. Learning about the " soil-food web " taught me that one > species' waste is another species' dinner. There's undigested protein > and other nutrients in every animal's poop that other species, whether > animal or insect, can make use of. Digestion is what it's all > about! :-) > Jeanmarie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 > > The only other mention of pork in NT, according to the subject > index, is on p. 61 where she discusses macrobiotics and how, in > that dietary scheme, pork is considered the most yang of meats. The system of Traditional Chinese Medicine I'm familiar with http://www.healingthesource.com/ says pork is very cooling, i.e., yin. The hardcore yang meat in that system is lamb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I'm not speaking for TCM, that's just what I read in NT. I am formerly macrobiotic, took cooking classes at the Ohsawa Center in Tokyo, and my experience was they don't really encourage meat eating, though it's not explicitly forbidden. All I know is, I got very sick following that way of eating, though I think some of it is probably useful if balanced by the insights from WAP. Jeanmarie On Sep 28, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Stanley wrote: > > > > > The only other mention of pork in NT, according to the subject > > index, is on p. 61 where she discusses macrobiotics and how, in > > that dietary scheme, pork is considered the most yang of meats. > > The system of Traditional Chinese Medicine I'm familiar with > > http://www.healingthesource.com/ > > says pork is very cooling, i.e., yin. The hardcore yang meat in that > system is lamb. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I looked up 117, it sites personal communication from a Doctor who did a preliminary investigation for study (never conducted) in Brazil. Two important factors: 1. organic != free range. These could have been confinement or dirt lot pigs. and 2. We don't know what they were fed. Reactions to food can often be due to what the animal consumed, this is true of not just pork but all meat and dairy. I don't know how pork production is down there but they do use soybeans and GMO soybeans are now available down there. Since most pig production is problematic it is likely this was a pig diet issue. Pete Jeanmarie Todd wrote: > > > Sally doesn't say that much about pork in NT, and I could find no pork > recipes in the index. However, she sings the praises of lard. On pork, > from page 32 of the introduction, she says: > > " Investigation into the effects of pork consumption on blood chemistry > has revealed serious changes for several hours after pork is consumed. > (footnote 117) The pork used was organic, free of trichinosis, so the > changes that occurred in the blood were due to some other factor, > possibly a protein unique to pork. In the laboratory, pork is one of > the best mediums for feeding the growth on cancer cells. [and here I > thought it was sugar!] The prohibitions against pork found in the > Bible and the Koran thus may derive from something other than a > concern for parasite contamination. However, in fairness it must be > noted that many groups noted for longevity, such as the inhabitants of > Soviet Georgia and Okinawa, consume pork meat and lard in their diet > on a daily basis. Lard is an excellent source of vitamin D. " On p.18 > she write more about lard. While she raises the possibility there are > problems with pork, it doesn't extend to pork fat, and she does point > out those healthy cultures that rely on pork. So, no, she doesn't say > one shouldn't eat pork. > > The only other mention of pork in NT, according to the subject index, > is on p. 61 where she discusses macrobiotics and how, in that dietary > scheme, pork is considered the most yang of meats. That's it. > Jeanmarie > > On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:49 AM, doublethink03 wrote: > > > I think Sally also writes in Nourishing Traditions that one > > shouldn't eat pork. However, the reasons she gives are the same that > > I've read on vegan websites and they didn't convince me. Pigs > > certainly have been a part of healthy peoples' traditional diets, > > for example in Okinawa they've been a staple food as far as I know. > > ___ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Thanks, I meant to look up the footnote but forgot before I sent my post. Jeanmarie On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Gasper Family Farm wrote: > I looked up 117, it sites personal communication from a Doctor who > did a > preliminary investigation for study (never conducted) in Brazil. Two > important factors: > 1. organic != free range. These could have been confinement or dirt > lot pigs. and > 2. We don't know what they were fed. Reactions to food can often be > due to what the animal consumed, this is true of not just pork but all > meat and dairy. I don't know how pork production is down there but > they > do use soybeans and GMO soybeans are now available down there. Since > most pig production is problematic it is likely this was a pig diet > issue. > > Pete > > Jeanmarie Todd wrote: > > > > > > Sally doesn't say that much about pork in NT, and I could find no > pork > > recipes in the index. However, she sings the praises of lard. On > pork, > > from page 32 of the introduction, she says: > > > > " Investigation into the effects of pork consumption on blood > chemistry > > has revealed serious changes for several hours after pork is > consumed. > > (footnote 117) The pork used was organic, free of trichinosis, so > the > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 If you don't know, why do you speak? This is stunningly ignorant, I'm sorry, that's all you can say about it. First of all, if you are going to distinguish primitive from advanced/civilized, then the class distinctions and oppressive government are on the civilized side. That's what comes with an advanced society. The Chinese were more advanced than the West until a few centuries ago and most observers expect them to surpass the West again soon--the extreme social change they are experiencing is part of the most massive industrial revolution ever. Like that begun in England, it's not a pretty thing, but it definitely transforms a society politically, economically, socially, and technologically. Why do you presume that Chinese " government officials " are eating dogs? Really? You think it is a plot, rather than a different cultural tradition regarding acceptable food? I don't like it--I'm a dog person--but by what twisted internet mythology do you intend to justify it as an irrational food choice? As for the Aztecs, you once again confound the distinction primitive/advanced with whether the culture (or the individuals) are admirable in some sense. You can't imply that the Aztecs were backward because they were brutal. If anything, their brutality comes from the advanced nature of their civilization, compared to which most Native Americans were primarily hunter gatherers. Bill Holt wrote: > I wonder what age of the Chinese you are talking about.� In recent times they are one of the biggest examples of what can go wrong with a country.� Huge population of poor, over populated, oppressive government, polution, waste, far worse in that category than America or any other country.� Behind in every way.� Perhaps they did have one of the most advanced Governments centuries if not millenia ago, but not in recent times.� Not knowing my history too well I'll guess either it's the poor that eat dogs or it is the modern inferior government officials that eat it. > > Aztecs may have had interesting particularly advanced skills, but as a whole culture they were very primitive.� Unlike some Native Indian cultures I can't say there is any personal attributes of an aztec individual I would admire in particular.� In my opinion they are a terrible example of a culture at that, where there are the people at top who get all the meat while most of the population lived meagerly.� I would not want to be an aztec living in those days. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I'm very grateful for Sally Fallon's work in bringing together information about the value of traditional diets. Her comments on pork do not make a lot of sense here. " Serious changes " in blood chemistry?--what does that even mean? Can you just look at blood under a microscope and see " serious changes " and know that they are bad? Are cancer researchers putting pork into their petri dishes to grow cancer cells? For real? I wish there was a lot less of this kind of bizarre, unsubstantiated rumor-mongering and posting of random internet conspiracy theories in the traditional foods community. Bill > > > I think Sally also writes in Nourishing Traditions that one > > shouldn't eat pork. However, the reasons she gives are the same that > > I've read on vegan websites and they didn't convince me. Pigs > > certainly have been a part of healthy peoples' traditional diets, > > for example in Okinawa they've been a staple food as far as I know. > > ___ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I know enough to say it appears that countries that are currently behind also happen to be eating dogs. Aztecs may have had some advanced skills, but as a whole culture and even the way the government was ran was primitive. Especially in their agriculture they were way behind. Now I don't know much about China when it had a benevolent soveriegn. I don't buy alot of this yin yang crap. There is some truth to it but a lot of it sounds like a lot of pseudo science. I won't argue with Taoism or acupuncture, but what I've read of the yin and yang to food I don't buy. Modern China is given way too much credit. If there citizens have better health than ours it's because they're too poor to afford cake and their into traditional cooking which tends to be much healthier than our fast food society. Their healthcare system is probably a joke so they have to be more conscious of taking care of themselves. > I wonder what age of the Chinese you are talking about.� In recent times they are one of the biggest examples of what can go wrong with a country.� Huge population of poor, over populated, oppressive government, polution, waste, far worse in that category than America or any other country.� Behind in every way.� Perhaps they did have one of the most advanced Governments centuries if not millenia ago, but not in recent times.� Not knowing my history too well I'll guess either it's the poor that eat dogs or it is the modern inferior government officials that eat it. > > Aztecs may have had interesting particularly advanced skills, but as a whole culture they were very primitive.� Unlike some Native Indian cultures I can't say there is any personal attributes of an aztec individual I would admire in particular.� In my opinion they are a terrible example of a culture at that, where there are the people at top who get all the meat while most of the population lived meagerly.� I would not want to be an aztec living in those days. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Apparently she doesn't want to go into further detail with the research because it will open up too much debate with the people that farm pigs in the WAPF community. It's wise that she does recommend to avoid it if you are sick or healing. Pigs are an essential part to the American diet and they do contain good health benefits like being easier to digest than other meats and the fat behind high in vitamin D in pastured pig. People love bacon, pork chops, and sausage. From: Bill <lynchwt@...> Subject: Re: Reason why pigs pigs aren't the healthiest meat to eat. Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 6:39 AM  I'm very grateful for Sally Fallon's work in bringing together information about the value of traditional diets. Her comments on pork do not make a lot of sense here. " Serious changes " in blood chemistry?-- what does that even mean? Can you just look at blood under a microscope and see " serious changes " and know that they are bad? Are cancer researchers putting pork into their petri dishes to grow cancer cells? For real? I wish there was a lot less of this kind of bizarre, unsubstantiated rumor-mongering and posting of random internet conspiracy theories in the traditional foods community. Bill > > > I think Sally also writes in Nourishing Traditions that one > > shouldn't eat pork. However, the reasons she gives are the same that > > I've read on vegan websites and they didn't convince me. Pigs > > certainly have been a part of healthy peoples' traditional diets, > > for example in Okinawa they've been a staple food as far as I know. > > ___ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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