Re: healthy cookware options

October 4, 2009

This is what I use:

stainless steel pressure cooker (can find them much cheaper on eBay or Amazon or

such)

Corning Ware (the white stuff) for oven and range (I didn't realize until

recently that you can use those on the stove-top!)

Visions glass pans (garage sales or thrift stores, and always have a couple

extra since I break one every few years)

cast iron for stove-top and oven (non-stick if you don't use soap to wash it,

and heat it before putting grease in it)

a few stainless steel or enameled pans (stainless makes me a little uneasy...)

>

> I have been meaning to purchase better cookware for the kitchen, but it's been

long neglected.

>

> With thx-giving & xmas coming up, I should come up with a list of items to

look for and purchase.

>

> I need healthier options for

> *Pressure cooker(I am using the aluminum one)

> *Slow cooker (Using brand from walmart)

> *Something for the oven.

> *Something for boiling water/veggies/oatmeal etc (using non-stick now)

>

> Thanks for any ideas that are working for you.

>

> Regards

> Dan

>

October 4, 2009

Visions glass cookware works for me on the stove. Pyrex glass/Corningware for

the oven. some of my Corningware is safe for the stovetop so I use that in

addition to the Visions. I don't use a pressure cooker or a slow cooker.

>

> I have been meaning to purchase better cookware for the kitchen, but it's been

long neglected.

>

> With thx-giving & xmas coming up, I should come up with a list of items to

look for and purchase.

>

> I need healthier options for

> *Pressure cooker(I am using the aluminum one)

> *Slow cooker (Using brand from walmart)

> *Something for the oven.

> *Something for boiling water/veggies/oatmeal etc (using non-stick now)

>

> Thanks for any ideas that are working for you.

>

> Regards

> Dan

>

October 5, 2009

I thought stainless steel leaked nickel except for some brands. Brands

from China are the worst.

I also thought pressure cookers were supposed to cause msg.

On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:54 AM, jmr1290 wrote:

> stainless steel pressure cooker (can find them much cheaper on eBay or

> Amazon or such)

>

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

October 5, 2009

If you have the budget for it, All-Clad is fantastic, heavy-duty

stainless steel-clad with aluminum core, practically indestructible,

commercial-quality, and very expensive. They last forever if you use

reasonable care. Maybe Santa will be kind? I " inherited " a set from my

boyfriend and I love them.

More affordable and also nice is cookware from Ikea that has heavy

bottoms and very pretty curvy shapes, several sizes of saucepans with

lids; the Medalj line. I also have some of their 365 series. Ikea also

has enamel-coated steel (Senior line) similar to Le Creuset but

cheaper (never tried it though). We use Lodge cast-iron for meats. I

have an Evacore nonstick pan (way better than Teflon, safer, tougher)

that is great for eggs. Otherwise I use a heavy-bottomed stainless

steel skillet from Ikea.

I sold my pressure cooker after I converted to WAP-style cooking. I

used to use a brand I got in Japan, Riken I think. You can put the

food on some kind of stainless-steel steamer insert and keep using the

aluminum one safely, but my understanding is Sally doesn't recommend

pressure cooking as it's possibly destructive to nutrients. I have to

say I don't miss it. I like slow-cooking things. We use Crock-Pot

brand slow-cookers with removable ceramic pots for easy cleaning. All-

Clad also makes stainless-steel slow cookers.

Jeanmarie

On Oct 3, 2009, at 6:00 PM, repent_kog_is_near wrote:

> I have been meaning to purchase better cookware for the kitchen, but

> it's been long neglected.

>

> With thx-giving & xmas coming up, I should come up with a list of

> items to look for and purchase.

>

> I need healthier options for

> *Pressure cooker(I am using the aluminum one)

> *Slow cooker (Using brand from walmart)

> *Something for the oven.

> *Something for boiling water/veggies/oatmeal etc (using non-stick now)

>

> Thanks for any ideas that are working for you.

>

> Regards

> Dan

> _,___

>

October 5, 2009

I have seen a couple of references on this list to stainless steel

leaching nickel, something I've never read or heard of elsewhere. Does

anyone have some definitive references on it? Not rumors, evidence...

Thanks,

Jeanmarie

On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:25 AM, Parashis wrote:

> I thought stainless steel leaked nickel except for some brands. Brands

> from China are the worst.

>

> I also thought pressure cookers were supposed to cause msg.

>

> On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:54 AM, jmr1290 wrote:

>

> > stainless steel pressure cooker (can find them much cheaper on

> eBay or

> > Amazon or such)

> >

> Parashis

> artpages@...

>

> artpagesonline.com

>

> _._,___

October 5, 2009

Just a bit of googling.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/t64638657362479h/

It came to my attention thanks to the Weston A Price Foundation's

newsletter.

Dawn

Kuligowski1 and Kopl M. Halperin1 Contact Information

(1)

Division of Science, Engineering and Technology, The Pennsylvania State

University at Erie, The Behrend College, 16563 Erie, Pennsylvania, USA

Received: 3 February 1992 Revised: 15 April 1992

Abstract Stainless steels are widely used materials in food preparation and

in home and commercial cookware. Stainless is readily attacked by organic

acids, particularly at cooking temperatures; hence iron, chromium, and

nickel should be released from the material into the food. Nickel is

implicated in numerous health problems, notably allergic contact dermatitis.

Conversely, chromium and iron are essential nutrients for which stainless

could be a useful source. Home cookware was examined by atomic absorption

spectroscopy: seven different stainless utensils as well as cast iron, mild

steel, aluminum and enamelled steel. The materials were exposed to mildly

acidic conditions at boiling temperature. Nickel was a major corrosion

product from stainless steel utensils; chromium and iron were also detected.

It is recommended that nickel-sensitive patients switch to a material other

than stainless, and that the stainless steel cookware industry seriously

consider switching to a non-nickel formulation.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jeanmarie Todd

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: Re: healthy cookware options

I have seen a couple of references on this list to stainless steel

leaching nickel, something I've never read or heard of elsewhere. Does

anyone have some definitive references on it? Not rumors, evidence...

Thanks,

Jeanmarie

On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:25 AM, Parashis wrote:

> I thought stainless steel leaked nickel except for some brands. Brands

> from China are the worst.

>

> I also thought pressure cookers were supposed to cause msg.

>

> On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:54 AM, jmr1290 wrote:

>

> > stainless steel pressure cooker (can find them much cheaper on

> eBay or

> > Amazon or such)

> >

> Parashis

> artpages@... <mailto:artpages%40earthlink.net>

>

> artpagesonline.com

>

> _._,___

October 5, 2009

But, this was written in 1992! In my opinion, not relevant 17 years later with

the introduction of encapsulated stainless steel cookware. The technology has

changed considerably in 17 years!

Kathy

---- Dawn <blaidd1@...> wrote:

=============

Just a bit of googling.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/t64638657362479h/

It came to my attention thanks to the Weston A Price Foundation's

newsletter.

Dawn

October 5, 2009

Thanks! I'll read it.

Jeanmarie

On Oct 5, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Dawn wrote:

> Just a bit of googling.

>

> http://www.springerlink.com/content/t64638657362479h/

>

> It came to my attention thanks to the Weston A Price Foundation's

> newsletter.

>

> Dawn

>

> Kuligowski1 and Kopl M. Halperin1 Contact Information

>

> (1)

>

> Division of Science, Engineering and Technology, The Pennsylvania

> State

> University at Erie, The Behrend College, 16563 Erie, Pennsylvania, USA

>

> Received: 3 February 1992 Revised: 15 April 1992

>

> Abstract Stainless steels are widely used materials in food

> preparation and

> in home and commercial cookware. Stainless is readily attacked by

> organic

> acids, particularly at cooking temperatures; hence iron, chromium, and

> nickel should be released from the material into the food. Nickel is

> implicated in numerous health problems, notably allergic contact

> dermatitis.

> Conversely, chromium and iron are essential nutrients for which

> stainless

> could be a useful source. Home cookware was examined by atomic

> absorption

> spectroscopy: seven different stainless utensils as well as cast

> iron, mild

> steel, aluminum and enamelled steel. The materials were exposed to

> mildly

> acidic conditions at boiling temperature. Nickel was a major corrosion

> product from stainless steel utensils; chromium and iron were also

> detected.

> It is recommended that nickel-sensitive patients switch to a

> material other

> than stainless, and that the stainless steel cookware industry

> seriously

> consider switching to a non-nickel formulation.

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jeanmarie Todd

> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:53 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: healthy cookware options

>

> I have seen a couple of references on this list to stainless steel

> leaching nickel, something I've never read or heard of elsewhere. Does

> anyone have some definitive references on it? Not rumors, evidence...

> Thanks,

> Jeanmarie

>

> On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:25 AM, Parashis wrote:

>

> > I thought stainless steel leaked nickel except for some brands.

> Brands

> > from China are the worst.

> >

> > I also thought pressure cookers were supposed to cause msg.

> >

> > On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:54 AM, jmr1290 wrote:

> >

> > > stainless steel pressure cooker (can find them much cheaper on

> > eBay or

> > > Amazon or such)

> > >

> > Parashis

> > artpages@... <mailto:artpages%40earthlink.net>

> >

> > artpagesonline.com

> >

> > _._,___

>

October 6, 2009

What is encapsulated stainless steel, and how widespread is it? In other words,

do you have to purchase only a certain brand or type to avoid the leaching?

Thanks!

RE: Re: healthy cookware options

But, this was written in 1992! In my opinion, not relevant 17 years later

with the introduction of encapsulated stainless steel cookware. The technology

has changed considerably in 17 years!

Kathy

---- Dawn <blaidd1@...> wrote:

=============

Just a bit of googling.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/t64638657362479h/

It came to my attention thanks to the Weston A Price Foundation's

newsletter.

Dawn

October 6, 2009

Kathy,

The only encapsulated stainless steel pans I can find are the type with an

aluminum core or what not to retain and distribute heat more evenly. This would

have little to no effect on the nickel leaching into the food??

Is there another kind?

Dawn

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Kathy Dickson

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:08 PM

Cc: Dawn

Subject: RE: Re: healthy cookware options

But, this was written in 1992! In my opinion, not relevant 17 years later with

the introduction of encapsulated stainless steel cookware. The technology has

changed considerably in 17 years!

Kathy

---- Dawn <blaidd1@... <mailto:blaidd1%40pendraig.com> >

wrote:

=============

Just a bit of googling.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/t64638657362479h/

It came to my attention thanks to the Weston A Price Foundation's

newsletter.

Dawn

October 6, 2009

what are the Evacore nonstick pans? do you have a link?

>

> > I have been meaning to purchase better cookware for the kitchen, but

> > it's been long neglected.

> >

> > With thx-giving & xmas coming up, I should come up with a list of

> > items to look for and purchase.

> >

> > I need healthier options for

> > *Pressure cooker(I am using the aluminum one)

> > *Slow cooker (Using brand from walmart)

> > *Something for the oven.

> > *Something for boiling water/veggies/oatmeal etc (using non-stick now)

> >

> > Thanks for any ideas that are working for you.

> >

> > Regards

> > Dan

> > _,___

> >

>

October 6, 2009

I read it here

http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ToxicMetals.pdf

> >

> > > stainless steel pressure cooker (can find them much cheaper on

> > eBay or

> > > Amazon or such)

> > >

> > Parashis

> > artpages@...

> >

> > artpagesonline.com

> >

> > _._,___

>

October 6, 2009

I'm a long-time lurker and just came across this question on another

list as well. On that list, a holistic living list, one member's

husband, a physicist, said that the nickel contained in the stainless

steel " passivates " meaning that it cannot separate from the metal

alloy. He said that's the design and intent of stainless steel. In

this link, which is not a journal article but a thread questioning

whether nickel is leaching out of stainless steel. In here, an

industrial hygienist explains that nickel does not leach (she/he says

if anything leaches, it's chromium):

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/576519. At least these two points

may be helpful for any who wish to research it further.

--

R

October 6, 2009

I think that's the right name...I found them at a local gourmet shop.

I love it and I researched it before buying but I didn't save any

links. I'll look again. I know they were free of some major toxin

found in other nonstick pans but I don't remember the name (acronym

actually).

Jeanmarie

On Oct 6, 2009, at 9:59 AM, carolyn_graff wrote:

> what are the Evacore nonstick pans? do you have a link?

>

> >

> > > I have been meaning to purchase better cookware for the kitchen,

> but

> > > it's been long neglected.

> > >

> > > With thx-giving & xmas coming up, I should come up with a list of

> > > items to look for and purchase.

> > >

> > > I need healthier options for

> > > *Pressure cooker(I am using the aluminum one)

> > > *Slow cooker (Using brand from walmart)

> > > *Something for the oven.

> > > *Something for boiling water/veggies/oatmeal etc (using non-

> stick now)

> > >

> > > Thanks for any ideas that are working for you.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Dan

> > > _,___

> > >

> >

October 6, 2009

This sounds right to me. Stainless steel is used in all kinds of

industrial processes and if it weren't inert it would be a big

problem. Until I see hard evidence otherwise, I'm personally assuming

that the concern over cookware is largely misplaced; the food cooked

in the pans probably has much more impact on our health.

Jeanmarie

On Oct 6, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Rizzo wrote:

> I'm a long-time lurker and just came across this question on another

> list as well. On that list, a holistic living list, one member's

> husband, a physicist, said that the nickel contained in the stainless

> steel " passivates " meaning that it cannot separate from the metal

> alloy. He said that's the design and intent of stainless steel. In

> this link, which is not a journal article but a thread questioning

> whether nickel is leaching out of stainless steel. In here, an

> industrial hygienist explains that nickel does not leach (she/he says

> if anything leaches, it's chromium):

> http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/576519. At least these two points

> may be helpful for any who wish to research it further.

>

> --

> R

>

October 7, 2009

I must be remembering the name wrong as I can't find it (I search Eva

Core, Evacore, Evo Core and Evocore). I'll drop by the shop where I

got it and get the brochure. Maybe tomorrow. I do remember it said the

pans were free of PFOA.

Cheers,

Jeanmarie

On Oct 6, 2009, at 9:59 AM, carolyn_graff wrote:

> what are the Evacore nonstick pans? do you have a link?

>

> >

> > If you have the budget for it, All-Clad is fantastic, heavy-duty

> > stainless steel-clad with aluminum core, practically indestructible,

> > commercial-quality, and very expensive. They last forever if you use

> > reasonable care. Maybe Santa will be kind? I " inherited " a set

> from my

> > boyfriend and I love them.

> >

> > More affordable and also nice is cookware from Ikea that has heavy

> > bottoms and very pretty curvy shapes, several sizes of saucepans

> with

> > lids; the Medalj line. I also have some of their 365 series. Ikea

> also

> > has enamel-coated steel (Senior line) similar to Le Creuset but

> > cheaper (never tried it though). We use Lodge cast-iron for meats. I

> > have an Evacore nonstick pan (way better than Teflon, safer,

> tougher)

> > that is great for eggs. Otherwise I use a heavy-bottomed stainless

> > steel skillet from Ikea.

> >

> > I sold my pressure cooker after I converted to WAP-style cooking. I

> > used to use a brand I got in Japan, Riken I think. You can put the

> > food on some kind of stainless-steel steamer insert and keep using

> the

> > aluminum one safely, but my understanding is Sally doesn't recommend

> > pressure cooking as it's possibly destructive to nutrients. I have

> to

> > say I don't miss it. I like slow-cooking things. We use Crock-Pot

> > brand slow-cookers with removable ceramic pots for easy cleaning.

> All-

> > Clad also makes stainless-steel slow cookers.

> > Jeanmarie

>

October 7, 2009

I just clicked your link and the Chowhound site said the page couldn't

be found, can you resend?