Re: remedy for the H1N1 virus.

[Guest guest]

My kids love raw milk...BUT I agree that if you're not used to raw dailry you

need to prepare your digestive system.  My kids were foster children so I

started with yogurt and raw cheese and homeade cream cheese and slowly started

raw milk (1 oz in their organic whole milk to start and then gradually

increasing)  My kids love it.  We also buy pasturized milk locally that if free

of all the junk because the raw milk is a bit of a drive and they can tell the

difference and prefer the raw.

 

joy

>

> <snip>

>

> >

>

> > A far as remedies go, it looks like getting your vitamin D levels up

>

> > are

>

> > showing to be one of the best preventatives. So yes, high vitamin

>

> > cod liver

>

> > oil is a good preventative. But again, it's a mild flu - not The

>

> > Plague, the

>

> > image that the government and media campaign of fear is trying to

>

> > paint it

>

> > as.

>

> >

>

> > Suze

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't actually need suggestions on what to feed my nephews, but how

to suggest changes to family who isn't WAPF-oriented. My question was,

any suggestions on how to bring this up? Tactfully. Thanks

Jeanmarie

On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Holt wrote:

> 2 tspns of high vitamin fermented codliver oil and a source of k2

> and quinones from raw dairy milk or raw dairy butter from grassfed

> cows would probably be the best choice. Make sure to have them

> together in the same sitting. Other good choices for immune system

> health are bone broth and coconut oil. That amount of fclo may be

> too much for kids, so look at the WAPF homepage for intake

> recommendations.

> <snip>

>

>

> <snip>

> I found out over the weekend, though, that my 6-year-old nephew Jake

>

> has to go to the emergency room for *any* flu because of his history

>

> of encephalitis and seizures. (He almost died about 3 years ago.) I'm

>

> trying to work up to suggesting FCLO to my sister-in-law but I don't

>

> want to scare her off of WAP principles if I mishandle it... She

>

> thinks I'm very knowledgeable about nutrition but I haven't told her

>

> much of what I have come to know through WAPF because it would indict

>

> much of what she feeds her family, and it's a delicate thing... Any

>

> suggestions as to how to bring this up? I don't have kids so it's hard

>

> to make recommendations to parents, they can always say " you wouldn't

>

> know, you don't have kids. "

>

>

[Guest guest]

I drank Organic Pastures raw milk and it doesn't taste good unless you add in

chocolate syrup.  I don't know how to describe the taste.  There cattle are

primarily grassfed, and I hear that removes a lot of the sweetness.  It's better

for you though.  What do you give your cattle to sweeten up the milk?

There are other benefits to yogurt, but kefired milk may have all the same

benefits and it's easy and cheap to prepare.  If someone hasn't had a quality

source of probiotics and enzymes over the years it will really help bring up

their health and immune system by bringing them back in through fermented dairy.

>

> <snip>

>

> >

>

> > A far as remedies go, it looks like getting your vitamin D levels up

>

> > are

>

> > showing to be one of the best preventatives. So yes, high vitamin

>

> > cod liver

>

> > oil is a good preventative. But again, it's a mild flu - not The

>

> > Plague, the

>

> > image that the government and media campaign of fear is trying to

>

> > paint it

>

> > as.

>

> >

>

> > Suze

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jeanmarie,

I would think if you offer the suggestions in the spirit of wanting to help,

they shouldn't have too much problem with that. Do they listen to doctors or

'professionals' a lot? Find a quote that corroborates (sp?) with the WAPF

principles and build on it. Some folks need specific facts from a specific type

of source before they'll listen. As the mother of a small child, I'm happy to

hear suggestions that might help us in any way and one would hope they would

take it in the same way.

Good luck!

Danae

Re: remedy for the H1N1 virus.

I don't actually need suggestions on what to feed my nephews, but how

o suggest changes to family who isn't WAPF-oriented. My question was,

ny suggestions on how to bring this up? Tactfully. Thanks

eanmarie

On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Holt wrote:

> 2 tspns of high vitamin fermented codliver oil and a source of k2

and quinones from raw dairy milk or raw dairy butter from grassfed

cows would probably be the best choice. Make sure to have them

together in the same sitting. Other good choices for immune system

health are bone broth and coconut oil. That amount of fclo may be

too much for kids, so look at the WAPF homepage for intake

recommendations.

<snip>

<snip>

I found out over the weekend, though, that my 6-year-old nephew Jake

has to go to the emergency room for *any* flu because of his history

of encephalitis and seizures. (He almost died about 3 years ago.) I'm

trying to work up to suggesting FCLO to my sister-in-law but I don't

want to scare her off of WAP principles if I mishandle it... She

thinks I'm very knowledgeable about nutrition but I haven't told her

much of what I have come to know through WAPF because it would indict

much of what she feeds her family, and it's a delicate thing... Any

suggestions as to how to bring this up? I don't have kids so it's hard

to make recommendations to parents, they can always say " you wouldn't

know, you don't have kids. "

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Danae! My sister-in-law, , was pre-med but went into

technology instead until she became a mother 9 years ago. She's very

smart, will research the hell out of anything to do with her kids. But

she's seriously lacking nutrition knowledge. When Jake was ill, she

read all the relevant medical literature, kept detailed logs of all

his seizures (dozens to hundreds a day, sometimes), complained to the

hospital head (at Kaiser) when the ER doc wouldn't follow the protocol

the neurologist had given to , and the ER head gave her his

personal cell to call if the ER doc on duty ever failed her again.

She's that persuasive. She's a bulldog for her kids. She'd be amazing

on WAPF once she embraced it, but for anybody, unless the timing is

right, if someone proposes something to you that seems to fly in the

face of all the experts, it's easy to dismiss it as something wacky

and weird. Maybe I'm over-thinking it this but it's an important

relationship and I really want to approach this right. I would just

never forgive myself though if something happened to Jake that could

have been prevented by better nutrition. is a gourmet cook, and

has standard knowledge of nutrition... she knows the kids need protein

and veggies, for instance, but they eat a lot of processed starches,

have soymilk on hand, etc., and to her, cooking with good fats means

lots of extra-virgin olive oil. So there's a huge amount of re-

education that would be in order. I'm thinking maybe of just

approaching with the FCLO angle. She can read studies on that and

convince herself.

Thanks,

Jeanmarie

On Oct 14, 2009, at 1:20 PM, danaecooks@... wrote:

>

> Jeanmarie,

>

> I would think if you offer the suggestions in the spirit of wanting

> to help, they shouldn't have too much problem with that. Do they

> listen to doctors or 'professionals' a lot? Find a quote that

> corroborates (sp?) with the WAPF principles and build on it. Some

> folks need specific facts from a specific type of source before

> they'll listen. As the mother of a small child, I'm happy to hear

> suggestions that might help us in any way and one would hope they

> would take it in the same way.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Danae

>

> Re: remedy for the H1N1 virus.

>

> I don't actually need suggestions on what to feed my nephews, but how

> o suggest changes to family who isn't WAPF-oriented. My question was,

> ny suggestions on how to bring this up? Tactfully. Thanks

[Guest guest]

She'll have a lot of respect for Enig, that's for sure.  By showing her how

proper nutrition contradicts conventional nutrition will is a good start. 

Enig and Sally Fallon do a really good job of explaining the importance of the

types of fats, what is good, and what is bad, and how that alone will make a

dramatic increase in health.  If this women loves to know the truth of anything

and in detail Enig is perfect for that.  So if this women loves to debunk

conventional knowledge, and most conventional knowledge is crap, then she'll

adapt well to WAPF.  It's the dumber people that don't get it.  IMO, most

doctors are dumb.

Another good supportive source is Jonny Bowden.  I don't rely on any of his

information but " 150 of the healthiest Foods on Earth " is pro raw milk.  Sally

Fallon and Enig provide a much more complete and fundamental system for

nutrition.  Maybe give her the Nourishing Traditions book.  Suggest checking out

the WAPF web-site too.

>

> Jeanmarie,

>

> I would think if you offer the suggestions in the spirit of wanting

> to help, they shouldn't have too much problem with that. Do they

> listen to doctors or 'professionals' a lot? Find a quote that

> corroborates (sp?) with the WAPF principles and build on it. Some

> folks need specific facts from a specific type of source before

> they'll listen. As the mother of a small child, I'm happy to hear

> suggestions that might help us in any way and one would hope they

> would take it in the same way.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Danae

>

> Re: remedy for the H1N1 virus.

>

> I don't actually need suggestions on what to feed my nephews, but how

> o suggest changes to family who isn't WAPF-oriented. My question was,

> ny suggestions on how to bring this up? Tactfully. Thanks

[Guest guest]

I suggest picking away at her habits in easy to attack areas. I would start

with educating her on soy. Give her the book ŒSeeds of Deception¹ or buy the

movie or send her this link to his lecture from the WAPF conference.

http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/MediaCenter/Videos/index.cfm - It is

AWESOME.

Think in baby steps and don¹t try to rush. It may take her a few months to

embrace the soy thing. And once she does you are good to move on to the next

topic. Soy is probably the easiest to attack and she Œshould¹ be grateful to

you for the info and more receptive to the next item.

I had a friend that I educated about soy after I saw her giving her daughter

the little boxes of soy milk. A few months later, we were at the beach and I

saw her give another box of soy milk to her daughter. I reminded her about

our talk/the dangers of soy. And she responded ³Oh yeah, I remember and ŒI¹

don¹t drink it anymore. I only give it to my daughter.² (!)

So, my point it is ­ make sure she has fully bought into it before you

attempt to tackle the next item.

OR you could just let her join the local group for WAPF. That¹s what I

did and I was skeptical but I kept reading the posts and after a while I

realized ³These people really know what they¹re talking about and they are a

whole lot smarter than I am.² So, then I started researching more and more

about WAPF. And I brought myself around in baby steps ­ still taking baby

steps too ­ I had a long way to go in learning.

On 10/14/09 1:46 PM, " Jeanmarie Todd " <jaytee3@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Thanks, Danae! My sister-in-law, , was pre-med but went into

> technology instead until she became a mother 9 years ago. She's very

> smart, will research the hell out of anything to do with her kids. But

> she's seriously lacking nutrition knowledge. When Jake was ill, she

> read all the relevant medical literature, kept detailed logs of all

> his seizures (dozens to hundreds a day, sometimes), complained to the

> hospital head (at Kaiser) when the ER doc wouldn't follow the protocol

> the neurologist had given to , and the ER head gave her his

> personal cell to call if the ER doc on duty ever failed her again.

> She's that persuasive. She's a bulldog for her kids. She'd be amazing

> on WAPF once she embraced it, but for anybody, unless the timing is

> right, if someone proposes something to you that seems to fly in the

> face of all the experts, it's easy to dismiss it as something wacky

> and weird. Maybe I'm over-thinking it this but it's an important

> relationship and I really want to approach this right. I would just

> never forgive myself though if something happened to Jake that could

> have been prevented by better nutrition. is a gourmet cook, and

> has standard knowledge of nutrition... she knows the kids need protein

> and veggies, for instance, but they eat a lot of processed starches,

> have soymilk on hand, etc., and to her, cooking with good fats means

> lots of extra-virgin olive oil. So there's a huge amount of re-

> education that would be in order. I'm thinking maybe of just

> approaching with the FCLO angle. She can read studies on that and

> convince herself.

> Thanks,

> Jeanmarie

>

> On Oct 14, 2009, at 1:20 PM, danaecooks@... <mailto:danaecooks%40aol.com>

> wrote:

>

>> >

>> > Jeanmarie,

>> >

>> > I would think if you offer the suggestions in the spirit of wanting

>> > to help, they shouldn't have too much problem with that. Do they

>> > listen to doctors or 'professionals' a lot? Find a quote that

>> > corroborates (sp?) with the WAPF principles and build on it. Some

>> > folks need specific facts from a specific type of source before

>> > they'll listen. As the mother of a small child, I'm happy to hear

>> > suggestions that might help us in any way and one would hope they

>> > would take it in the same way.

>> >

>> > Good luck!

>> >

>> > Danae

>> >

>> > Re: remedy for the H1N1 virus.

>> >

>> > I don't actually need suggestions on what to feed my nephews, but how

>> > o suggest changes to family who isn't WAPF-oriented. My question was,

>> > ny suggestions on how to bring this up? Tactfully. Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let her know that one of the leading pioneers of WAPF is Enig, who is

Jewish.  Remind her that Albert Einstein is Jewish and he created the nuclear

bomb.  Then let her know that Jesus Christ is jewish and that he is God.  Then

tell her that Speilberg is jewish and he invented Star Wars.

The point is that prominent Jewish individuals are extremely reliable, creative,

financially well off, intelligent, and inventive.

>

> Jeanmarie,

>

> I would think if you offer the suggestions in the spirit of wanting

> to help, they shouldn't have too much problem with that. Do they

> listen to doctors or 'professionals' a lot? Find a quote that

> corroborates (sp?) with the WAPF principles and build on it. Some

> folks need specific facts from a specific type of source before

> they'll listen. As the mother of a small child, I'm happy to hear

> suggestions that might help us in any way and one would hope they

> would take it in the same way.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Danae

>

> Re: remedy for the H1N1 virus.

>

> I don't actually need suggestions on what to feed my nephews, but how

> o suggest changes to family who isn't WAPF-oriented. My question was,

> ny suggestions on how to bring this up? Tactfully. Thanks

[Guest guest]

>

> I might have gotten the flu.  Everyone in the house was extremely sick for

one or

> two days.  Can this virus mutant into something more violent...

>

> I believe the Wiki said there were many deaths from it back in 1918.  That

being

> from the non mutated form of it.

>

Aside from the fact that the numbers given for 1918 are suspect (they can't

or won't even gather or report accurate statistics in 2009!), here are a few

articles that point out more reasons why the 1918 pandemic is not in any way

comparable to the phony pandemic of 2009:

Exposed: The Swine Flu Hoax

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/bosworth1.1.1.html

It Always Is 1918 at the CDC

http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson248.html

Suze

[Guest guest]

> That still doesn't mean intentionally created. Thanks, now I'm really

> paranoid... <g>

No it doesn't mean it, but keep in mind that these researchers are very

clear on the fact that this is not a naturally occurring virus, but they are

simply speculating on how it got released.

There are any number of possibilities on how it got out. Considering that

the major pharmaceutical companies are effectively criminal enterprises even

just based on well-referenced sources like the court documents that revealed

that Merck had created a hit list for doctors who were critical of their

deadly Viagra drug, it becomes clear that it's not very far-fetched to think

these criminal enterprises would be willing to drum up several billion in

revenues by releasing lab-created pathogens. I wouldn't put it past many

governments either.

Lot's of possibilities, no definitive proof of origin, yet.

Suze

[Guest guest]

>

> The doctor I heard on NPR this week (sorry I didn't catch his name or

> organizational affiliation) said the 1976 flu was actually misnamed

> swine flu, it was actually related to bird flu and seasonal human flu.

> Wait, maybe that was the current one... I'll try to verify that. At

> any rate, the point was the 1976 flu and the current swine flu aren't

> really the same thing and one of them has been misnamed, so they

> aren't really comparable.

First, let me say that NPR is often little more than a corporate and

government shill when it comes to news, IMO. They have great music and their

human interest stories are the best. But more and more I'm noticing that

some of their news is nothing more than government and/or corporate

marketing propaganda. I just listened to a report on the campaign to get

Americans to take the swine flu shot on NPR about an hour ago and just about

everything the reporter said was wrong.

That said, it is THIS virus that is not labeled accurately. One of the

slides I posted from my PPT yesterday discussed this. It's a mix of swine,

avian and human flu viruses from multiple continents - an extremely unusual

mix.

No two viral outbreaks are completely comparable but the fact remains that

this particular one is extremely mild and yes, even for the majority of

young people. Most of those being hardest hit by it have underlying

neurological conditions. And again, the numbers are still pretty low. In

fact, more and more folks, including medical professionals are questioning

whether it's even a real pandemic. It's supposed to peak within the next 2-6

weeks. Most people won't be vaccinated by then and it takes time to build

antibodies anyway. Aside from that, flu vaccines don't protect from the flu

for the vast majority of people anyway. I'm going to post some data on this

on my homepage in the next day or two.

Of course a real pandemic can potentially be *created* by the live virus

vaccine they are giving Americans now as that virus is shed into the

environment and others pick it up. It could mutate into something that truly

is virulent once it spreads.

So the mass vaccination campaign is not only useless, it's more than likely

going to cause a lot of health problems for those that get the vaccine. Not

necessarily right away, but can cause problems down the line as well. Which

they simply don't test for with the little safety testing they do on flu

vaccines.

Suze

[Guest guest]

There have been lots of talks among Christians and among those who follow

Nostradamus that next huge plague is going to be a bird flu.  I couldn't find

any clear prophecies that literally said " bird flu " though.  I got the date May

18, 2010 though.  That could be the H5N1 virus, not sure how that will manifest.

From: Suze Fisher <suzefisher@...>

Subject: RE: remedy for the H1N1 virus.

Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 2:59 PM

 

> That still doesn't mean intentionally created. Thanks, now

I'm really

> paranoid... <g>

No it doesn't mean it, but keep in mind that these researchers are very

clear on the fact that this is not a naturally occurring virus, but they are

simply speculating on how it got released.

There are any number of possibilities on how it got out. Considering that

the major pharmaceutical companies are effectively criminal enterprises even

just based on well-referenced sources like the court documents that revealed

that Merck had created a hit list for doctors who were critical of their

deadly Viagra drug, it becomes clear that it's not very far-fetched to think

these criminal enterprises would be willing to drum up several billion in

revenues by releasing lab-created pathogens. I wouldn't put it past many

governments either.

Lot's of possibilities, no definitive proof of origin, yet.

Suze

[Guest guest]

Oh wait, Lucas invented Star Wars.  I heard somewhere he had Jewish blood

too but no references online say he is.

Spielberg is well known and he is Jewish.  They say he was a natural for

directing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_Jews

They do seem to have a well balanced diet from their religion.

>

> Jeanmarie,

>

> I would think if you offer the suggestions in the spirit of wanting

> to help, they shouldn't have too much problem with that. Do they

> listen to doctors or 'professionals' a lot? Find a quote that

> corroborates (sp?) with the WAPF principles and build on it. Some

> folks need specific facts from a specific type of source before

> they'll listen. As the mother of a small child, I'm happy to hear

> suggestions that might help us in any way and one would hope they

> would take it in the same way.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Danae

>

> Re: remedy for the H1N1 virus.

>

> I don't actually need suggestions on what to feed my nephews, but how

> o suggest changes to family who isn't WAPF-oriented. My question was,

> ny suggestions on how to bring this up? Tactfully. Thanks

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the ideas and encouragement, Katrina.

Jeanmarie

On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Katrina Cabral wrote:

> I suggest picking away at her habits in easy to attack areas. I

> would start

> with educating her on soy. Give her the book ‘Seeds of Deception’ or

> buy the

> movie or send her this link to his lecture from the WAPF conference.

> http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/MediaCenter/Videos/index.cfm

> - It is

> AWESOME.

>

> Think in baby steps and don’t try to rush. It may take her a few

> months to

> embrace the soy thing. And once she does you are good to move on to

> the next

> topic. Soy is probably the easiest to attack and she ‘should’ be

> grateful to

> you for the info and more receptive to the next item.

>

> I had a friend that I educated about soy after I saw her giving her

> daughter

> the little boxes of soy milk. A few months later, we were at the

> beach and I

> saw her give another box of soy milk to her daughter. I reminded her

> about

> our talk/the dangers of soy. And she responded “Oh yeah, I remember

> and ‘I’

> don’t drink it anymore. I only give it to my daughter.” (!)

>

> So, my point it is – make sure she has fully bought into it before you

> attempt to tackle the next item.

>

> OR you could just let her join the local group for WAPF.

> That’s what I

> did and I was skeptical but I kept reading the posts and after a

> while I

> realized “These people really know what they’re talking about and

> they are a

> whole lot smarter than I am.” So, then I started researching more

> and more

> about WAPF. And I brought myself around in baby steps – still taking

> baby

> steps too – I had a long way to go in learning.

>

> On 10/14/09 1:46 PM, " Jeanmarie Todd " <jaytee3@...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

I agree about NPR, Suze, they have some very good reporting, but a

real pro-corporate angle often crops up. At the same time, I hear

people like Pollan and Lierre on there, too.

I do think this whole " pandemic " is very hyped up. My personal concern

is for my nephew, who does have an underlying neurological issue,

hence my thinking about how to suggest to my sister-in-law that she

give him FCLO. Where to start? All these comments are very helpful,

thanks.

Jeanmarie

On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Suze Fisher wrote:

> >

> First, let me say that NPR is often little more than a corporate and

> government shill when it comes to news, IMO. They have great music

> and their

> human interest stories are the best. But more and more I'm noticing

> that

> some of their news is nothing more than government and/or corporate

> marketing propaganda. I just listened to a report on the campaign to

> get

> Americans to take the swine flu shot on NPR about an hour ago and

> just about

> everything the reporter said was wrong.

>

> That said, it is THIS virus that is not labeled accurately. One of the

> slides I posted from my PPT yesterday discussed this. It's a mix of

> swine,

> avian and human flu viruses from multiple continents - an extremely

> unusual

> mix.

>

> No two viral outbreaks are completely comparable but the fact

> remains that

> this particular one is extremely mild and yes, even for the majority

> of

> young people. Most of those being hardest hit by it have underlying

> neurological conditions.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sadly, you are probably right!

jeanmarie

On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Suze Fisher wrote:

> > That still doesn't mean intentionally created. Thanks, now I'm

> really

> > paranoid... <g>

>

> No it doesn't mean it, but keep in mind that these researchers are

> very

> clear on the fact that this is not a naturally occurring virus, but

> they are

> simply speculating on how it got released.

>

> There are any number of possibilities on how it got out. Considering

> that

> the major pharmaceutical companies are effectively criminal

> enterprises even

> just based on well-referenced sources like the court documents that

> revealed

> that Merck had created a hit list for doctors who were critical of

> their

> deadly Viagra drug, it becomes clear that it's not very far-fetched

> to think

> these criminal enterprises would be willing to drum up several

> billion in

> revenues by releasing lab-created pathogens. I wouldn't put it past

> many

> governments either.

>

> Lot's of possibilities, no definitive proof of origin, yet.

>

> Suze

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I agree about NPR, Suze, they have some very good reporting, but a

> real pro-corporate angle often crops up. At the same time, I hear

> people like Pollan and Lierre on there, too.

That's awesome that they interviewed Lierre! I'm sorry I missed it. She used

to be on this list, not sure if she still is. Pollan is good in many ways,

but is too vegetarian-oriented. Nonetheless, lots of his info is good and

important to get out. NPR really does a bang-up job with most of the human

interest stories.

>

> I do think this whole " pandemic " is very hyped up. My personal concern

> is for my nephew, who does have an underlying neurological issue,

> hence my thinking about how to suggest to my sister-in-law that she

> give him FCLO. Where to start? All these comments are very helpful,

> thanks.

This would concern me too, but not necessarily in reference to this " swine "

flu in particular. I would imagine that his neuro condition makes him

susceptible to seasonal flu as well as many other viruses and pathogens. The

FCLO would be a VERY good start. There is clinical data coming in now that

high vitamin D levels are negatively correlated with susceptibility to swine

flu. Go to my homepage and scroll down to the last entry on vitamin D and

H1N1 deaths: http://www.swineflushots.us/

More info about vitamin D's protective role against flu:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml

Google " vitamin D swine flu " and you'll get even more.

Suze

[Guest guest]

> Let her know that one of the leading pioneers of WAPF is Enig, who is

> Jewish.  Remind her that Albert Einstein is Jewish and he created the

nuclear

> bomb.  Then let her know that Jesus Christ is jewish and that he is God 

Then tell

> her that Speilberg is jewish and he invented Star Wars.

>

> The point is that prominent Jewish individuals are extremely reliable,

creative,

> financially well off, intelligent, and inventive.

This stereotype notwithstanding, what are all the Jewish references about? I

might've missed a reference to a religious diet somehow connected to H1N1?

Suze

[Guest guest]

I don't give my cows anything to " sweeten " their milk. lol What I can

tell you is that Organic Pastures, while awesome in what they've

accomplished, are pasture based not 100% grassfed. He still feeds TMR

(Total Mixed Ration and generally has soybean meal or something like

that in it). He also milks Holsteins, one of the lowest butterfat breeds

and bred to be something they're not. Their milk is often described as

" blue. " What I HAVE learned is that breed makes a difference, " hot " feed

makes a big difference, and sometimes grass/forage can make a difference

as well. If I have to supplement an animal they never receive anything

containing soybeans, we only feed a little corn or oats, mostly oats.

Otherwise, we're 100% Grass-fed which means no grain. And I let people

know which they are getting, I don't mix them all together and sell it

as 100% Grass-fed, I keep supplemented milk separate.

Holt wrote:

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> I drank Organic Pastures raw milk and it doesn't taste good unless you

> add in chocolate syrup. I don't know how to describe the taste.

> There cattle are primarily grassfed, and I hear that removes a lot of

> the sweetness. It's better for you though. What do you give your

> cattle to sweeten up the milk?

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> There are other benefits to yogurt, but kefired milk may have all the

> same benefits and it's easy and cheap to prepare. If someone hasn't

> had a quality source of probiotics and enzymes over the years it will

> really help bring up their health and immune system by bringing them

> back in through fermented dairy.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Suze.

Jeanmarie

On Oct 14, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Suze Fisher wrote:

> >

> > I agree about NPR, Suze, they have some very good reporting, but a

> > real pro-corporate angle often crops up. At the same time, I hear

> > people like Pollan and Lierre on there, too.

>

> That's awesome that they interviewed Lierre! I'm sorry I missed it.

> She used

> to be on this list, not sure if she still is. Pollan is good in many

> ways,

> but is too vegetarian-oriented. Nonetheless, lots of his info is

> good and

> important to get out. NPR really does a bang-up job with most of the

> human

> interest stories.

>

> >

> > I do think this whole " pandemic " is very hyped up. My personal

> concern

> > is for my nephew, who does have an underlying neurological issue,

> > hence my thinking about how to suggest to my sister-in-law that she

> > give him FCLO. Where to start? All these comments are very helpful,

> > thanks.

>

> This would concern me too, but not necessarily in reference to this

> " swine "

> flu in particular. I would imagine that his neuro condition makes him

> susceptible to seasonal flu as well as many other viruses and

> pathogens. The

> FCLO would be a VERY good start. There is clinical data coming in

> now that

> high vitamin D levels are negatively correlated with susceptibility

> to swine

> flu. Go to my homepage and scroll down to the last entry on vitamin

> D and

> H1N1 deaths: http://www.swineflushots.us/

>

> More info about vitamin D's protective role against flu:

> http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml

>

> Google " vitamin D swine flu " and you'll get even more.

>

> Suze

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here's a good book on it:

http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Phenomenon-Enduring-Wealth-People/dp/1563525666

I was just saying Enig is Jewish and they appear to be a very reliable,

inventive, creative, financially successful culture overall.  From the material

I have been exposed to I've always preffered the literature and teachings that

came from prominant Jewish individuals.  I prefer the Zohar over the Pali Canon

or the Bhagavad Gita.  They do appear to have a very healthy tradition of

quality nutrition food.  They've been saying grassfed ruminant animals are the

best to eat.  I don't think you'll get that clearly articulated from other

cultures, that and the science of good fats.  Many more obviously follow the

same principals even if they don't articulate it.  I see timeless Jewish

literature as easy to understand, fundamental, genius, and practical.

I brought up that people that follow Nostradamus' and biblical  prophecies

believe the plague that kills over two thirds of mankind is going to be the bird

flu.  That's what I've seen out of a greater percentage of web-sites that I have

read.  I'm just trying to come up with ideas to combat this plague if it were to

happen.  Even if it is easy to remedy it, 99% of mankind won't apply the advice,

which leads to deaths, famine, and other problems facilitated by the plague that

will ultimately bring down the fall of civilization as we know it even with the

easy and common sense strategies to cure it.  There are several reasons for

this, ignorance, greed from corporations, treatments that do more harm than

good, commercial farming, etc etc etc...

Dan Holt

From: Suze Fisher <suzefisher@...>

Subject: RE: remedy for the H1N1 virus.

Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:25 PM

 

> Let her know that one of the leading pioneers of WAPF is

Enig, who is

> Jewish.  Remind her that Albert Einstein is Jewish and he created the

nuclear

> bomb.  Then let her know that Jesus Christ is jewish and that he is God 

Then tell

> her that Speilberg is jewish and he invented Star Wars.

>

> The point is that prominent Jewish individuals are extremely reliable,

creative,

> financially well off, intelligent, and inventive.

This stereotype notwithstanding, what are all the Jewish references about? I

might've missed a reference to a religious diet somehow connected to H1N1?

Suze

[Guest guest]

I found it interesting to read that although there is a high correlation between

a person having syphilis and them having AIDS, since the discovery of AIDS

nobody has died of syphilis.

>

> AIDS didn't kill anyone.  It happened to be the other viruses people got from

a weakened immune system.  But it is sensible to blame it on AIDS.  Or you can

blame it on what causes AIDS, and the backwards modern treatments they use on

AIDS and HIV patients.  But anyway, it's the same problems, different virus.

[Guest guest]

>

> There are any number of possibilities on how it got out. Considering that

> the major pharmaceutical companies are effectively criminal enterprises

even

> just based on well-referenced sources like the court documents that

revealed

> that Merck had created a hit list for doctors who were critical of their

> deadly Viagra drug,

Whoops! I meant to write " Vioxx " NOT " Viagra " !

Suze