Our alleged hypocrisy.

March 22, 2000

Guadman wrote, to :

>What you seem to be saying is that, here also, there will be

>harrassment and even punishment " for individual/free/questioning and

>thinking that goes against " what you say is the " 12 step-free stated

>rheotoric " .

1. How many times does it need to be said that there IS no " stated rhetoric " or

" party line " or

" way of life " that goes with this list? All there is is a list description which

is something

eGroups makes you put on your list as a general topic. That topic description

seems to be

being misinterpreted as some kind of manifesto. It's just a topic description.

Let's stop trying

to analyse it. (I am reminded of what I recently read in someone's post here:

" You can't have

analysis without being anal. " )

HOWEVER you want to go about it, 12 step free is about getting 12 step free.

It has nothing to do with how much other " freedom of mind " you associate

yourself - or do

not associate yourself - with.

2. Guadman, while I take no personal offence to your posts, I am beginning to

wonder, do

you ever bring up any other subject other than the alleged hypocrisy of 12sf?

OK, you have made your point about that.

Some of us put down groupers and still do some of the same things they do.

Maybe in different ways. Maybe not at all. Maybe some, not others.

And some people have been going to meetings for more than 10-15 years. So what

do you

expect? I would imagine old habits die hard.

But whatever already.

You've said it, we've heard it, we have either argued, ignored/kept silent, or

" agreed to

disagree " . But can we move on now? No one's forcing you or anything. But I just

wonder if

you have other topics to discuss.

-dmt

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