RE: Is rabies partly hype?

October 25, 2009

Hype or no, they've got a pretty big advantage when the only way to test for

rabies is to euthanize the dog and remove part of its brain. And if the dog

didn't have it? Ooops, oh well. Not even a sorry, you're out a beloved

family pet. Not cool!

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:25 AM, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

> I'm thinking about the statistics for rabies in humans and wondering how it

> can be so low - only 27 cases reported in humans since 1990 (in the US).

> When you think about kids handling wildlife, knowing that if they report a

> bite to a parent they may have to get a series of painful shots, people who

> got bitten and waited too long to get the shots, just plain dumb people who

> get bitten and don't know they should tell anyone - I can't fathom that only

> 27 people got it in the last almost 20 years.

>

> Also, the vaccine is not 100% effective. I've read some reports that only

> the 1 year shots work so the new 7 year shots may not prevent rabies as well

> as people think, yet if an animal has shots the preventative shots are not

> given to bite victims.

>

> Also, if some can carry it asymptomatically for a year or more, then

> doesn't that mean the immune system can fight it off, or hold it at bay?

> What about the animals who are " vectors " - wouldn't they just all die off,

> ending rabies forever, if it were so deadly?

>

> It just occurred to me, something seems a little fishy there.

>

> On the other hand, at $50 a pop, rabies vaccination is quite a money-maker

> for vets.

October 25, 2009

This is a good question!

> I'm thinking about the statistics for rabies in humans and wondering how

it can be

> so low - only 27 cases reported in humans since 1990 (in the US). When

you think

> about kids handling wildlife, knowing that if they report a bite to a

parent they may

> have to get a series of painful shots, people who got bitten and waited

too long to

> get the shots, just plain dumb people who get bitten and don't know they

should tell

> anyone - I can't fathom that only 27 people got it in the last almost 20

years.

Of course the official story is that this is *because* most family pets are

vaccinated yearly or every two to three years.

>

> Also, the vaccine is not 100% effective. I've read some reports that only

the 1 year

> shots work so the new 7 year shots may not prevent rabies as well as

people think,

> yet if an animal has shots the preventative shots are not given to bite

victims.

I've learned through my swine flu vaccine research that flu vaccines in

humans don't work. And based on what I know so far, I'm inclined to believe

that vaccines in general aren't effective. It would not surprise me if that

includes rabies vaccines.

That said, an online pal of mine from years ago was monitoring rabies

incidences in dogs that had an initial rabies shot and one booster. She is a

natural rearing breeder and worked for vets for years and is a dog health

journalist and is, or was, on this list. She said that she had never been

able to find a case of a dog contracting rabies that had the initial rabies

shot and one booster. So she felt that indicated that one shot and a booster

are effective, perhaps, for the life of the dog.

I'm now wondering if it's more likely that many dogs' immune systems simply

deal with the virus so they don't get infected even if they get bitten by a

rabies carrier. After all, just because a human or animal is bitten by

another with rabies doesn't mean that the immune system won't eliminate the

virus.

> On the other hand, at $50 a pop, rabies vaccination is quite a money-maker

for

> vets.

Not only that but the vaccine makers are making good money, especially on

the once yearly protocol. I didn't know that a new 7 year protocol was being

used anywhere, although I'm aware of the research showing that the rabies

vaccines may be effective for at least 7 years.

Then, you've got the fact that most municipalities require you to

re-register your rabies license every year or every time the dog gets the

next shot. So, as is the case with the human medical system, you've got

government, health practitioners and pharmaceutical companies laughing all

the way to the bank while your poor dog or cat gets shot up with a toxic

soup vaccine year after year after year - one that may not only not be

effective, but may be making your pet ill.

Suze

October 25, 2009

They are doing a rabies challenge. Dodds, DVM and another vet I think

his name is Schultz believe one vaccine will protect a dog for life.

At this point I am not sure what to think, the more I learn the more it

seems vaccines are hype and dangerous to boot. Unfortunately my state is

obsessed with it and my dogs and cats have to be subjected to it.

In Texas we only recently got it changed to 3 years required by law instead

of one year. A ton of vets protested the change because they use it " to get

necessary check-ups done " . They don't even try to market how important a

yearly physical is just coerce people to come in. The good vets don't do

this but they are few and far between.

I have read that Pasteur recanted his ideas about vaccines on his deathbed

and that his rabies studies weren't nearly as affective as they seemed to

be. This was in Don Hamilton's Homeopathy for Dogs and Cats: Small doses

for small animals. Plenty of people think that it's a lie that he recanted

though.

Dawn

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Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:26 AM

Subject: Is rabies partly hype?

I'm thinking about the statistics for rabies in humans and wondering how it

can be so low - only 27 cases reported in humans since 1990 (in the US).

When you think about kids handling wildlife, knowing that if they report a

bite to a parent they may have to get a series of painful shots, people who

got bitten and waited too long to get the shots, just plain dumb people who

get bitten and don't know they should tell anyone - I can't fathom that only

27 people got it in the last almost 20 years.

Also, the vaccine is not 100% effective. I've read some reports that only

the 1 year shots work so the new 7 year shots may not prevent rabies as well

as people think, yet if an animal has shots the preventative shots are not

given to bite victims.

Also, if some can carry it asymptomatically for a year or more, then doesn't

that mean the immune system can fight it off, or hold it at bay? What about

the animals who are " vectors " - wouldn't they just all die off, ending

rabies forever, if it were so deadly?

It just occurred to me, something seems a little fishy there.

On the other hand, at $50 a pop, rabies vaccination is quite a money-maker

for vets.

October 25, 2009

Suze,

It gets worse. In California, as everywhere, they force people to register

their pets and then they were having all that information compiled by a 3rd

party corporation who was then selling the information.

Nice huh?

So if you register your pet and suddenly find you are on Science Diet's

mailing list you know why.

I see this happening with health care for people too. I worked for the

company that handled the CHIP accounts in Texas. We had all their personal

information right in front of us and I didn't pass a very strict background

check. I had any number of people's social security numbers, home address,

and just about everything else you can imagine.

It wouldn't be a big step that in order to qualify for your national ID card

(how else will they know who is covered by govt insurance?) that you have to

provide proof of vaccination.