Re: flu death numbers greatly exaggerated

[Guest guest]

I just posted an article on my blog that follows the numbers (re: money)

very effectively as to why vaccines are pushed. He references Mercola but

also many " mainstream " sources who acknowledge the ineffectiveness and

danger of the vaccines. The AMA and the manufacturers have a good little gig

going to say the least.

Why Do People Get Flu Shots?*http://tinyurl.com/nrhy4v*

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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...> wrote:

>

>

> Dr. Mercola's latest e-mail has a post on swine flu with a link to an

> older article here:

>

>

> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/10/30/flu-deaths.aspx

> Flu Deaths Outrageously Exaggerated to Increase Vaccine Sales

> Posted by: Dr. Mercola

> October 30 2004

>

> I followed up by looking up the stats he was citing in this article

> for myself, and posted this comment on his site:

>

> I just looked at the comprehensive overall death report for 2001,

> linked above, and it took some looking but I found the stats for the

> breakdown of deaths (total for all races, both sexes) from influenza

> and pneumonia. Together they're 22.0 deaths per one hundred thousand

> of the U.S. population. For Influenza alone, it's 0.1 of 22.0, and

> pneumonia accounts for the other 21.9! It's interesting to see all the

> many other causes of death that are far higher than influenza; the

> figure for malnutrition is 1.2 per 100,000, for instance. Truly eye-

> opening. FYI look for page 62 (page number is upper right hand

> corner), part of Table 16 (which spans several pages), right at the

> top. The sum of flu and pneumonia (22.0) is at the bottom of page 61,

> and the breakdown is top of page 62. Thanks for this link, Dr.

> Mercola! Now I can cite these numbers with confidence as I've read

> them for myself.

>

> I also looked at the CDC statistics for 2007, the most recent ones

> available, and it showed the same trend: 98.5% of the deaths

> attributable to the combined category of " influenza and pneumonia "

> were from pneumonia, not flu. And as we always hear, the deaths were

> mainly among the elderly (age 65+). As a cause of death it ranked in

> the top 10 for children up to age 14 I think it was, but the actual

> numbers were very small. The vast majority of the flu/pneumonia deaths

> are flu among the elderly. Not that the elderly are expendable, but it

> only makes sense that older people, who may have weakened immune

> systems after a lifetime of weathering stress, illness and bad diets,

> are the ones that are most likely to die.

> Jeanmarie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fantastic, ! Thank you so much. I was starting a debate with

someone about vaccines and wasn't sure where to start. If you quote too

" radical " of a source they just shut down on you.

I didn't know about the CPT thing!! It makes perfect sense that they'd do

that though. How many hundreds of other padded costs go into our medical

care?! This kind of thing needs to be reformed, it would cut costs

drastically and then we wouldn't need this lousy joke of a government health

plan. No doubt it will go the way of the FDA very quickly and then like the

UK we'll have more social services interfering with our care of our children

because we questioned the doctor and didn't follow orders.

Man I need to make up an efficiency code for animal breeding/handling/care

and copyright it, sell licenses and then lobby to get laws passed federally

that if you want to breed animals you have to keep this paperwork with my

code that you had to pay to use. Cha Ching!

I am sure someone has already thought it up and it's the next step after

NAIS/PAWS.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: flu death numbers greatly exaggerated

I just posted an article on my blog that follows the numbers (re: money)

very effectively as to why vaccines are pushed. He references Mercola but

also many " mainstream " sources who acknowledge the ineffectiveness and

danger of the vaccines. The AMA and the manufacturers have a good little gig

going to say the least.

Why Do People Get Flu Shots?*http://tinyurl.com/nrhy4v*

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/1>

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...

<mailto:jaytee3%40mac.com> > wrote:

>

>

> Dr. Mercola's latest e-mail has a post on swine flu with a link to an

> older article here:

>

>

>

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/10/30/flu-deaths.asp

x

> Flu Deaths Outrageously Exaggerated to Increase Vaccine Sales

> Posted by: Dr. Mercola

> October 30 2004

>

> I followed up by looking up the stats he was citing in this article

> for myself, and posted this comment on his site:

>

> I just looked at the comprehensive overall death report for 2001,

> linked above, and it took some looking but I found the stats for the

> breakdown of deaths (total for all races, both sexes) from influenza

> and pneumonia. Together they're 22.0 deaths per one hundred thousand

> of the U.S. population. For Influenza alone, it's 0.1 of 22.0, and

> pneumonia accounts for the other 21.9! It's interesting to see all the

> many other causes of death that are far higher than influenza; the

> figure for malnutrition is 1.2 per 100,000, for instance. Truly eye-

> opening. FYI look for page 62 (page number is upper right hand

> corner), part of Table 16 (which spans several pages), right at the

> top. The sum of flu and pneumonia (22.0) is at the bottom of page 61,

> and the breakdown is top of page 62. Thanks for this link, Dr.

> Mercola! Now I can cite these numbers with confidence as I've read

> them for myself.

>

> I also looked at the CDC statistics for 2007, the most recent ones

> available, and it showed the same trend: 98.5% of the deaths

> attributable to the combined category of " influenza and pneumonia "

> were from pneumonia, not flu. And as we always hear, the deaths were

> mainly among the elderly (age 65+). As a cause of death it ranked in

> the top 10 for children up to age 14 I think it was, but the actual

> numbers were very small. The vast majority of the flu/pneumonia deaths

> are flu among the elderly. Not that the elderly are expendable, but it

> only makes sense that older people, who may have weakened immune

> systems after a lifetime of weathering stress, illness and bad diets,

> are the ones that are most likely to die.

> Jeanmarie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could you post the link for the CDC stats, I'm not interested in " registering "

at mercola's site.

Thanks,

Belinda

>

> Dr. Mercola's latest e-mail has a post on swine flu with a link to an

> older article here:

>

> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/10/30/flu-deaths.aspx

> Flu Deaths Outrageously Exaggerated to Increase Vaccine Sales

> Posted by: Dr. Mercola

> October 30 2004

>

> I followed up by looking up the stats he was citing in this article

> for myself, and posted this comment on his site:

>

> I just looked at the comprehensive overall death report for 2001,

> linked above, and it took some looking but I found the stats for the

> breakdown of deaths (total for all races, both sexes) from influenza

> and pneumonia. Together they're 22.0 deaths per one hundred thousand

> of the U.S. population. For Influenza alone, it's 0.1 of 22.0, and

> pneumonia accounts for the other 21.9! It's interesting to see all the

> many other causes of death that are far higher than influenza; the

> figure for malnutrition is 1.2 per 100,000, for instance. Truly eye-

> opening. FYI look for page 62 (page number is upper right hand

> corner), part of Table 16 (which spans several pages), right at the

> top. The sum of flu and pneumonia (22.0) is at the bottom of page 61,

> and the breakdown is top of page 62. Thanks for this link, Dr.

> Mercola! Now I can cite these numbers with confidence as I've read

> them for myself.

>

> I also looked at the CDC statistics for 2007, the most recent ones

> available, and it showed the same trend: 98.5% of the deaths

> attributable to the combined category of " influenza and pneumonia "

> were from pneumonia, not flu. And as we always hear, the deaths were

> mainly among the elderly (age 65+). As a cause of death it ranked in

> the top 10 for children up to age 14 I think it was, but the actual

> numbers were very small. The vast majority of the flu/pneumonia deaths

> are flu among the elderly. Not that the elderly are expendable, but it

> only makes sense that older people, who may have weakened immune

> systems after a lifetime of weathering stress, illness and bad diets,

> are the ones that are most likely to die.

> Jeanmarie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sure, here it is, I had meant to include it:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_03.pdf

Jeanmarie

On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:48 PM, labelleacres wrote:

> Could you post the link for the CDC stats, I'm not interested in

> " registering " at mercola's site.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Belinda

>

>

> >

> > Dr. Mercola's latest e-mail has a post on swine flu with a link to

> an

> > older article here:

> >

> >

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/10/30/flu-deaths.aspx

> > Flu Deaths Outrageously Exaggerated to Increase Vaccine Sales

> > Posted by: Dr. Mercola

> > October 30 2004

> >

> > I followed up by looking up the stats he was citing in this article

> > for myself, and posted this comment on his site:

> >

> > I just looked at the comprehensive overall death report for 2001,

> > linked above, and it took some looking but I found the stats for the

> > breakdown of deaths (total for all races, both sexes) from influenza

> > and pneumonia. Together they're 22.0 deaths per one hundred thousand

> > of the U.S. population. For Influenza alone, it's 0.1 of 22.0, and

> > pneumonia accounts for the other 21.9! It's interesting to see all

> the

> > many other causes of death that are far higher than influenza; the

> > figure for malnutrition is 1.2 per 100,000, for instance. Truly eye-

> > opening. FYI look for page 62 (page number is upper right hand

> > corner), part of Table 16 (which spans several pages), right at the

> > top. The sum of flu and pneumonia (22.0) is at the bottom of page

> 61,

> > and the breakdown is top of page 62. Thanks for this link, Dr.

> > Mercola! Now I can cite these numbers with confidence as I've read

> > them for myself.

> >

> > I also looked at the CDC statistics for 2007, the most recent ones

> > available, and it showed the same trend: 98.5% of the deaths

> > attributable to the combined category of " influenza and pneumonia "

> > were from pneumonia, not flu. And as we always hear, the deaths were

> > mainly among the elderly (age 65+). As a cause of death it ranked in

> > the top 10 for children up to age 14 I think it was, but the actual

> > numbers were very small. The vast majority of the flu/pneumonia

> deaths

> > are flu among the elderly. Not that the elderly are expendable,

> but it

> > only makes sense that older people, who may have weakened immune

> > systems after a lifetime of weathering stress, illness and bad

> diets,

> > are the ones that are most likely to die.

> > Jeanmarie

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Does anyone believe Mercola anymore? I'd like to know a consensus on

this. I'm turned off by his wrong and hidden information on items like

chocolate. His oh so great chocolate has soy in it but you don't know

until you order because it's not listed on his web site but is on the

candy label.

Many things like this happen. He may have other great stuff but now I

don't trust him so don't even read him.

Anyone have an opinion about this?

On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Jeanmarie Todd wrote:

> Dr. Mercola's latest e-mail has a post on swine flu with a link to an

> older article here:

>

>

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

>

> I also looked at the CDC statistics for 2007, the most recent ones

> available, and it showed the same trend: 98.5% of the deaths

> attributable to the combined category of " influenza and pneumonia "

> were from pneumonia, not flu. And as we always hear, the deaths were

> mainly among the elderly (age 65+).

Dr. Tenpenny covers this on her homepage: www.drtenpenny.com

However, I think it's murky as to how many of those pneumonia deaths are

actually from the person originally getting the flu. Some sources say that

bacterial infections are the number one cause of pneumonia deaths and others

say that viral infections are. So, presumably some percent of those

pneumonia deaths are from originally having the flu.

But of course, it's ridiculous that they are lumped together with deaths

from the flu since there's no indication as to how many of those started out

with the flu (wonder how accurate the data collection is in the first

place...)

Suze

[Guest guest]

In our state, they are no longer testing to see if it is H1N1

specifically. If you've got flu-like symptoms (and you've seen a

doc), then they just assume that it is H1N1. How's that for accurate

numbers?

-jennifer

On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Suze Fisher wrote:

> But of course, it's ridiculous that they are lumped together with

> deaths

> from the flu since there's no indication as to how many of those

> started out

> with the flu (wonder how accurate the data collection is in the first

> place...)

>

> Suze

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good question, . I think he's a mixed bag. His heavy hyping

of products for sale is tiresome, but he argues that that pays for his

campaigns against the drug companies and FDA etc. Clearly the

criticism has got to him as he did a video post about it a couple of

months ago. In the case of him slamming cod liver oil in favor of his

krill oil, even misrepresenting what the WAPF said on the subject, was

a serious problem and I don't overlook that at all. I'm hoping it was

a mistake that he'll correct in the future.

But he also has some solid information and has the potential to do

good. I think we need to help him stay on the straight and narrow by

responding to what he says and checking his work for its accuracy.

Because I'm not always sure about what he says, I followed his links

and looked at the numbers for myself on flu deaths exaggerated. That

built my confidence in his veracity on the flu vaccine issue. I don't

automatically accept what he says on anything.

Cheers,

Jeanmarie

On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Parashis wrote:

> Does anyone believe Mercola anymore? I'd like to know a consensus on

> this. I'm turned off by his wrong and hidden information on items like

> chocolate. His oh so great chocolate has soy in it but you don't know

> until you order because it's not listed on his web site but is on the

> candy label.

>

> Many things like this happen. He may have other great stuff but now I

> don't trust him so don't even read him.

>

> Anyone have an opinion about this?

>

> On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Jeanmarie Todd wrote:

>

> > Dr. Mercola's latest e-mail has a post on swine flu with a link to

> an

> > older article here:

> >

> >

> Parashis

> artpages@...

>

> artpagesonline.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It doesn't say the pneumonia deaths are from people who first got the

flu, and I wouldn't assume that; does anyone have info on that?

However, for those who died from pneumonia, it doesn't necessarily

follow that they would have died from the flu anyway if they hadn't

gotten pneumonia, so it seems to me the numbers should be separated.

I'd be interested in their explanation of why they lump them together.

(Influenza is CDC death category J10 and J11, and various types of

pneumonia fall under J12-J18). It's clear you can indeed get secondary

bacterial pneumonia after having the flu (apparently what happened to

many of the deaths in 1918).

Here the CDC in a separate report gives some info on the two:

I. Epidemiology

Pneumonia in patients with influenza may be due to the influenza virus

itself, a secondary bacterial infection, or a combination of both

(894-896). Influenza-associated pneumonia (as well as other influenza

complications) can occur in any person but are more common in the very

young (<24 months of age) or old and in persons in any age group with

immunosuppression or certain chronic medical conditions, such as

severe underlying heart or lung disease (897-904).

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dhqp/id_influenza_pneuExcerpt.html

Here are a couple of relevant reports in Science Daily:

Scientists Learn Why The Flu May Turn Deadly: Influenza Virus

'Paralyzes' The Immune System

ScienceDaily (May 5, 2009) — As the swine flu continues its global

spread, researchers from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia have

discovered important clues about why influenza is more severe in some

people than it is in others...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090504141843.htm

Influenza And Bacterial Pneumonia Make For Harmful Super-infection

ScienceDaily (Mar. 20, 2009) — Influenza, or flu, is an unpleasant

affair with fever, cough, as well as head and body ache. When this

illness is further complicated by a bacterial pneumonia, a harmful

super-infection develops. Until now, researchers thought that the flu

facilitates an infection with pneumonia bacteria because it leads to a

decrease of immune cells in the blood and thus impairs the body's

defenses...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090317111904.htm

Senior Citizens At Risk For Pneumonia

ScienceDaily (Nov. 24, 2004) — The recent flu vaccine shortage has

focused attention on elderly people’s risk for infection. Like the

flu, pneumonia can also cause serious health problems for older

people. More than 900,000 cases of community-acquired pneumonia occur

each year among seniors in the United States, according to an article

in the December 1 issue of Clinical Infectious Diseases, now available

online.

Pneumonia is a leading cause of death among the elderly. Community-

acquired pneumonia, or CAP, is so termed because it is contracted

outside of the hospital or nursing home. The risk of contracting the

disease--and the risk of being hospitalized because of it--increases

significantly with age.

A three-year study of more than 46,000 seniors in the state of

Washington confirmed previous data showing that peak rates of CAP tend

to coincide with the flu season cycle, a potentially important

correlation in recognizing future influenza outbreaks. “There’s

definitely a relationship between influenza and pneumonia,” said lead

author L. , of Group Health ative in Seattle.

“People who get the flu are more likely to acquire pneumonia down the

road.” Because of the connection between the two diseases, elderly

people should make doubly sure to get influenza vaccinations, he said.

Quitting smoking is another good way to reduce the risk of getting

pneumonia, Mr. added.

The researchers also concluded that men are more prone to pneumonia

than women. Besides gender, other factors that put people at increased

risk for CAP include smoking, heart and lung problems, diabetes,

dementia and taking the medication prednisone. The researchers

estimated that one in 20 people age 85 or older will have an episode

of CAP each year...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041123100741.htm

Benefits Of Flu Vaccine Substantially Overestimated Says Study

ScienceDaily (Dec. 21, 2005) — Studies of influenza vaccine

effectiveness in elderly people substantially overestimate vaccine

benefits, according to new research from the US published today in the

International Journal of Epidemiology (IJE), edited at the University

of Bristol...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051221091232.htm

The problem, ridiculous as you point out, is they lump those

categories together and *then* talk about them as if they're all or

primarily flu deaths, whereas the actual numbers make it clear they're

not. If my explanation isn't clear, I urge you to follow the link.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_03.pdf

Cheers,

Jeanmarie

On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:40 AM, Suze Fisher wrote:

> >

> > I also looked at the CDC statistics for 2007, the most recent ones

> > available, and it showed the same trend: 98.5% of the deaths

> > attributable to the combined category of " influenza and pneumonia "

> > were from pneumonia, not flu. And as we always hear, the deaths were

> > mainly among the elderly (age 65+).

>

> Dr. Tenpenny covers this on her homepage: www.drtenpenny.com

>

> However, I think it's murky as to how many of those pneumonia deaths

> are

> actually from the person originally getting the flu. Some sources

> say that

> bacterial infections are the number one cause of pneumonia deaths

> and others

> say that viral infections are. So, presumably some percent of those

> pneumonia deaths are from originally having the flu.

>

> But of course, it's ridiculous that they are lumped together with

> deaths

> from the flu since there's no indication as to how many of those

> started out

> with the flu (wonder how accurate the data collection is in the first

> place...)

>

> Suze

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

More ridiculousness!

Jeanmarie

On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Steinbachs wrote:

> In our state, they are no longer testing to see if it is H1N1

> specifically. If you've got flu-like symptoms (and you've seen a

> doc), then they just assume that it is H1N1. How's that for accurate

> numbers?

>

> -jennifer

>

> On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Suze Fisher wrote:

>

> > But of course, it's ridiculous that they are lumped together with

> > deaths

> > from the flu since there's no indication as to how many of those

> > started out

> > with the flu (wonder how accurate the data collection is in the

> first

> > place...)

> >

> > Suze

> >

> >

>

>

> _._,___

[Guest guest]

>

> It doesn't say the pneumonia deaths are from people who first got the

> flu, and I wouldn't assume that; does anyone have info on that?

That's why I said it's murky. Clearly the CDC is implying that all the

pneumonia deaths are due to the flu. I think it's likely that a certain

percent of them are for the simple fact that pneumonia is usually a result

of a viral or bacterial infection so some percent of flu viral infections

will lead to pneumonia (in susceptible individuals). What is ridiculous is

that they lump all the pneumonia deaths in with the flu deaths as if they

were one and the same thing. Some of those pneumonia deaths in all

probability are from unrelated bacterial infections, and some, of course,

from secondary bacterial infections in those with viral infections.

Suze

[Guest guest]

Your are welcome, Dawn!

I thought the chart(s) alone told the story, as well as commentary on the

real deaths from vaccines. The whole CPT thing is just par for the course of

the state (read: corporatist) " capitalism " that dominates our political

scene.

You would be shocked at the padded costs and forced (read: government)

regulations that are a major player in the padded costs of nearly everything

we consume - food, medicine, or otherwise. If someone ever found a

compelling way to convey this information it would create a lot of public

dissent (I think). Those costs aren't can't always be measured directly in

dollars either. For example, there is a reason that high fructose corn syrup

is so prevalent in the American/western style diet. But more about that in

an upcoming blog post.

take care,

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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Dawn <blaidd1@...> wrote:

>

>

> Fantastic, ! Thank you so much. I was starting a debate with

> someone about vaccines and wasn't sure where to start. If you quote too

> " radical " of a source they just shut down on you.

>

> I didn't know about the CPT thing!! It makes perfect sense that they'd do

> that though. How many hundreds of other padded costs go into our medical

> care?! This kind of thing needs to be reformed, it would cut costs

> drastically and then we wouldn't need this lousy joke of a government

> health

> plan. No doubt it will go the way of the FDA very quickly and then like the

> UK we'll have more social services interfering with our care of our

> children

> because we questioned the doctor and didn't follow orders.

>

> Man I need to make up an efficiency code for animal breeding/handling/care

> and copyright it, sell licenses and then lobby to get laws passed federally

> that if you want to breed animals you have to keep this paperwork with my

> code that you had to pay to use. Cha Ching!

>

> I am sure someone has already thought it up and it's the next step after

> NAIS/PAWS.

>

> Dawn

>

[Guest guest]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Suze Fisher <suzefisher@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > I also looked at the CDC statistics for 2007, the most recent ones

> > available, and it showed the same trend: 98.5% of the deaths

> > attributable to the combined category of " influenza and pneumonia "

> > were from pneumonia, not flu. And as we always hear, the deaths were

> > mainly among the elderly (age 65+).

>

> Dr. Tenpenny covers this on her homepage: www.drtenpenny.com

>

> However, I think it's murky as to how many of those pneumonia deaths are

> actually from the person originally getting the flu. Some sources say that

> bacterial infections are the number one cause of pneumonia deaths and others

> say that viral infections are. So, presumably some percent of those

> pneumonia deaths are from originally having the flu.

>

> But of course, it's ridiculous that they are lumped together with deaths

> from the flu since there's no indication as to how many of those started out

> with the flu (wonder how accurate the data collection is in the first

> place...)

Murky indeed. As I learned a few years back. death from pneumonia is a

lot more common than people think, and it appears to have little to do

with age. I have known a few people over the years who died from

pneumonia. One day they walk into the hospital complaining of certain

symptoms and a few days later they are dead. None of them had the flu.

When I related to a nurse friend of mine who used to work at a major

hospital in the area that I almost died of pneumonia she said it was a

common thing. As a side note she also said she would never **ever**

give birth in a hospital (and she related some other horror stories as

well).

So if someone can tease out the stats or even speak to their

reliability in the first place I'm all ears.

[Guest guest]

Actually it has a lot to do with age, as most of the people who die

from pneumonia are over age 65, as a look at the numbers show.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_03.pdf

Look for page 62 (page number is upper right hand corner), part of

Table 16 (which spans several pages), right at the top. The sum of flu

and pneumonia (22.0) is at the bottom of page 61, and the breakdown is

top of page 62.

The concern about being in hospital is certainly justified, given the

prevalence of MRSA in institutional settings.

Jeanmarie

On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:51 AM, wrote:

>

> Murky indeed. As I learned a few years back. death from pneumonia is a

> lot more common than people think, and it appears to have little to do

> with age. I have known a few people over the years who died from

> pneumonia. One day they walk into the hospital complaining of certain

> symptoms and a few days later they are dead. None of them had the flu.

> When I related to a nurse friend of mine who used to work at a major

> hospital in the area that I almost died of pneumonia she said it was a

> common thing. As a side note she also said she would never **ever**

> give birth in a hospital (and she related some other horror stories as

> well).

>

> So if someone can tease out the stats or even speak to their

> reliability in the first place I'm all ears.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I'm questioning the official numbers based on my own very limited

experience and the experience of others.

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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...> wrote:

>

>

> Actually it has a lot to do with age, as most of the people who die

> from pneumonia are over age 65, as a look at the numbers show.

>

> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_03.pdf

>

> Look for page 62 (page number is upper right hand corner), part of

> Table 16 (which spans several pages), right at the top. The sum of flu

> and pneumonia (22.0) is at the bottom of page 61, and the breakdown is

> top of page 62.

>

> The concern about being in hospital is certainly justified, given the

> prevalence of MRSA in institutional settings.

> Jeanmarie

>

> On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:51 AM, wrote:

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> >

> > Murky indeed. As I learned a few years back. death from pneumonia is a

> > lot more common than people think, and it appears to have little to do

> > with age. I have known a few people over the years who died from

> > pneumonia. One day they walk into the hospital complaining of certain

> > symptoms and a few days later they are dead. None of them had the flu.

> > When I related to a nurse friend of mine who used to work at a major

> > hospital in the area that I almost died of pneumonia she said it was a

> > common thing. As a side note she also said she would never **ever**

> > give birth in a hospital (and she related some other horror stories as

> > well).

> >

> > So if someone can tease out the stats or even speak to their

> > reliability in the first place I'm all ears.

> >

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