Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 I have heard pros and cons about RO water. First it is more pure, and second that it has a tendancy to pull calcium from your bones to neutralize the blood. Neither of these rumors came from reliable sources, but I had heard that distilled water should be used sparingly since it is stripped of minerals and drinking too much will leach your bone calcium. So with that little tidbit, I am careful to not get too overzealous in purifed waters. I read a lot of information daily and retain about 1%. The " blow me away " kind of information seems to be the most impressive I guess. pollynjim <plscher@...> wrote: I now have a Pur water filter in my refrigerator and I am curious to know if a Reverse Osmosis filter would be a better option and why. Thanks Polly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 : Your statement that distilled water pulls calcium from the body disturbed me (because that is strictly what we're drinking for now) so I did a tiny bit of research and came upon this site: http://www.getalife.net.au/mag/water_html. I have never believed it was necessary to obtain minerals from water because it has so few. Does anyone else have knowledge on a possibly mineral leaching effect of distilled water? Lorna I now have a Pur water filter in my refrigerator and I am curious to > know if a Reverse Osmosis filter would be a better option and why. > Thanks > Polly > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Lorna, Thanks for posting this. I had heard the leaching stories on T.V. I think. Perhaps in print too. I had heard it more than once, so sometimes that seems to make a story more credible. But if not thoroughly researched, the some things just turn into rumors. I don't usually memorize my sources of information.. that would cause overload for me. With all the confusion left, I have come to the conclusion that regardless of what we eat or drink, it will all eventually lead to our deaths. It is just a matter of what we choose will determine how much longer we have. lornabeaverman <rcmlam@...> wrote: : Your statement that distilled water pulls calcium from the body disturbed me (because that is strictly what we're drinking for now) so I did a tiny bit of research and came upon this site: http://www.getalife.net.au/mag/water_html. I have never believed it was necessary to obtain minerals from water because it has so few. Does anyone else have knowledge on a possibly mineral leaching effect of distilled water? Lorna I now have a Pur water filter in my refrigerator and I am curious to > know if a Reverse Osmosis filter would be a better option and why. > Thanks > Polly > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Hi , If i remember rightly the RO machines still have traces of thallium or thulium in their water, i never did like the taste. Regarding distilled water, you can overcome the mineral controversy simply by adding a pinch of sea salt or celtic sea salt or what I do is add a tsp of seawater to a jar and get the trace minerals. hope this helps, --- lornabeaverman <rcmlam@...> wrote: > : > > Your statement that distilled water pulls calcium > from the body > disturbed me (because that is strictly what we're > drinking for now) > so I did a tiny bit of research and came upon this > site: > http://www.getalife.net.au/mag/water_html. I have > never believed it > was necessary to obtain minerals from water because > it has so few. > > Does anyone else have knowledge on a possibly > mineral leaching > effect of distilled water? > > Lorna > > > > I now have a Pur > water filter in > my refrigerator and I am curious to > > know if a Reverse Osmosis filter would be a better > option and why. > > Thanks > > Polly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Yes, thanks! I just found sea salt at WinCo for only .16/lb I hope it is ok. I stopped buying iodized table salt about 2 years ago. I take calcium supplements, since we (youngest son and I) are off cows milk, and I am now 54 and thinking more about my bones. Any rumor that comes by suggesting such and such will leach calcium, well I am all ears. My aunt had 3 hip replacements (left one twice)... and last month one came un-done breaking her leg, and she fell in her shower, to be found 2 hours later in the most incredible agony. (she's 83) I know a gal, 50 years old, been on anti-siezure meds for mild epilepsy since she was 16. She has bones so brittle, she has broke nearly every bone already. Her meds no doubt too acidic..... and do the Pharmas care??? course not. Now they have her on that bone builder drug that makes her sick to her stomach... so meds for upset tummy. And sleeping pills. and pain pills. Checked herself into a nursing home, just waiting to die. john bradley <thisnthatherenthere@...> wrote: Hi , If i remember rightly the RO machines still have traces of thallium or thulium in their water, i never did like the taste. Regarding distilled water, you can overcome the mineral controversy simply by adding a pinch of sea salt or celtic sea salt or what I do is add a tsp of seawater to a jar and get the trace minerals. hope this helps, --- lornabeaverman wrote: > : > > Your statement that distilled water pulls calcium > from the body > disturbed me (because that is strictly what we're > drinking for now) > so I did a tiny bit of research and came upon this > site: > http://www.getalife.net.au/mag/water_html. I have > never believed it > was necessary to obtain minerals from water because > it has so few. > > Does anyone else have knowledge on a possibly > mineral leaching > effect of distilled water? > > Lorna > > > > I now have a Pur > water filter in > my refrigerator and I am curious to > > know if a Reverse Osmosis filter would be a better > option and why. > > Thanks > > Polly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Gotta run, but look at what Sally Fallon has to say about improperly prepared grains and their locking up the " pairs " of minerals. All grains should be soaked to remove the enzyme inhibitors most should be fermented (sourdough) to eliminate the phytic acid...she calls them anti nutrients. Find Nourishing Traditions or there may be more at http://www.westonaprice.org he was a dentist who studied the remaining unspoiled diets around the world. All the grains, nuts, beans, seeds were specifically prepared in each culture to eliminate the bad and enhance and unlock the good :-) --- <xander95608@...> wrote: > Yes, thanks! I just found sea salt at WinCo for > only .16/lb I hope it is ok. I stopped buying > iodized table salt about 2 years ago. I take > calcium supplements, since we (youngest son and I) > are off cows milk, and I am now 54 and thinking more > about my bones. Any rumor that comes by suggesting > such and such will leach calcium, well I am all > ears. My aunt had 3 hip replacements (left one > twice)... and last month one came un-done breaking > her leg, and she fell in her shower, to be found 2 > hours later in the most incredible agony. (she's 83) > > I know a gal, 50 years old, been on anti-siezure > meds for mild epilepsy since she was 16. She has > bones so brittle, she has broke nearly every bone > already. Her meds no doubt too acidic..... and do > the Pharmas care??? course not. Now they have her > on that bone builder drug that makes her sick to her > stomach... so meds for upset tummy. And sleeping > pills. and pain pills. Checked herself into a > nursing home, just waiting to die. > > john bradley <thisnthatherenthere@...> wrote: > Hi , > > > If i remember rightly the RO machines still have > traces of thallium or thulium in their water, i > never > did like the taste. Regarding distilled water, you > can overcome the mineral controversy simply by > adding > a pinch of sea salt or celtic sea salt or what I do > is > add a tsp of seawater to a jar and get the trace > minerals. > > hope this helps, > > > > > --- lornabeaverman wrote: > > > : > > > > Your statement that distilled water pulls calcium > > from the body > > disturbed me (because that is strictly what we're > > drinking for now) > > so I did a tiny bit of research and came upon this > > site: > > http://www.getalife.net.au/mag/water_html. I have > > never believed it > > was necessary to obtain minerals from water > because > > it has so few. > > > > Does anyone else have knowledge on a possibly > > mineral leaching > > effect of distilled water? > > > > Lorna > > > > > > > > I now have a Pur > > water filter in > > my refrigerator and I am curious to > > > know if a Reverse Osmosis filter would be a > better > > option and why. > > > Thanks > > > Polly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Interesting. A friend was prepared to give me a loaf of sprouted grains and flax seed bread, but when the bag was opened he smelled fermentation. I did too, burned my nostrils. He said it was probably grain alcohol. Didn't see any mold but he insisted on tossing it out. So, probably threw away the most healthy loaf of bread he'd ever handled. " no preservatives " . shame. john bradley <thisnthatherenthere@...> wrote: Gotta run, but look at what Sally Fallon has to say about improperly prepared grains and their locking up the " pairs " of minerals. All grains should be soaked to remove the enzyme inhibitors most should be fermented (sourdough) to eliminate the phytic acid...she calls them anti nutrients. Find Nourishing Traditions or there may be more at http://www.westonaprice.org he was a dentist who studied the remaining unspoiled diets around the world. All the grains, nuts, beans, seeds were specifically prepared in each culture to eliminate the bad and enhance and unlock the good :-) --- wrote: --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Nah, he did right, but it would have had a better shelf life in bread box. All the commercial poly bagged bread is loaded with mold inhibitors which always lose the battle :-) Dr. always suggested buying bread from a local bakery in paper because of all the aflotoxins and micotoxins found in mold. I hope your friend comes back with a fresh loaf for you, that sounded so good :-) Yeah, I think the preservatives work on our respiration, pesticides are basicaly heavy metals and I suspect the herbicides and fungucides play havoc with our microflora in the intestines as they do to the microflora in the soils. It's not the fertilizer that makes nourishing food it's the micro-organisms that actually make the nutrients available to the plant. Commercial fertilizers are simiply drugs given with little thought. Orgainc is at least on the right track, but Monsanto et al would like to " water it down " to their level. You can soak your oatmeal in kefir the night before and by morning have a much more nourishing breakfast than otherwise....and with out the pot to clean and no lumps :-) --- <xander95608@...> wrote: > Interesting. A friend was prepared to give me a loaf > of sprouted grains and flax seed bread, but when the > bag was opened he smelled fermentation. I did too, > burned my nostrils. He said it was probably grain > alcohol. Didn't see any mold but he insisted on > tossing it out. So, probably threw away the most > healthy loaf of bread he'd ever handled. " no > preservatives " . shame. > > john bradley <thisnthatherenthere@...> wrote: > Gotta run, but look at what Sally Fallon has to say > about improperly prepared grains and their locking > up > the " pairs " of minerals. All grains should be soaked > to remove the enzyme inhibitors most should be > fermented (sourdough) to eliminate the phytic > acid...she calls them anti nutrients. Find > Nourishing Traditions or there may be more at > http://www.westonaprice.org he was a dentist who > studied the remaining unspoiled diets around the > world. All the grains, nuts, beans, seeds were > specifically prepared in each culture to eliminate > the > bad and enhance and unlock the good :-) > > > > --- wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low > PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 He kept it in his refrigerator, but in the days before that its whereabouts were unknown, as it was a charity loaf. (from an Adventist food closet. their senior gleaners do a better job of seeking out whole grain breads) So you are right that best to toss it out since it's oven to donation site to recipient storage statistics was undocumented. The only breads I ever seem to see in paper is French breads. Days old bread is healthier than fresh, but not too many days. Does anybody know where one could purchase paper bread bags? or is muslin ok? Plastics are scary. Necessary in modern stores to protect from public germs, but once home should be transferred out of the plastic. john bradley <thisnthatherenthere@...> wrote: Nah, he did right, but it would have had a better shelf life in bread box. All the commercial poly bagged bread is loaded with mold inhibitors which always lose the battle :-) Dr. always suggested buying bread from a local bakery in paper because of all the aflotoxins and micotoxins found in mold. I hope your friend comes back with a fresh loaf for you, that sounded so good :-) --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Where I work we have RO water. Most taps have 3 stages, some only 2. Since I've been drinking the RO instead of my usual distilled I've been getting more fluoride/bromate symptoms and just did an iodine skin patch test which disappeared rediculously fast (maybe an hour to be completely gone). Do all RO units filter our fluoride or do they need special filters to do so? -Lana " The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Dr. Mercola's is cheaper and I do believe it removes flouride: http://waterfilters.mercola.com/products/drinkingwaterfilters.aspx The water filters on this page are more expensive but they may better filter the water. They also reset the memory and alkalize the water, which may account for the extra cost. http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/category/water-filtration-systems Ask this owner if adding pyrophilite clay removes flouride and chlorine when added to water, not too sure: http://pyroclay.com/ Finally check with this website if their vortex energiser (copper, silver, or gold plated) devices remove flouride and chlorine from water. It would be cheaper I would think. http://www.schauberger.co.uk/ ________________________________ From: Steinbachs <jen@...> Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 12:49:26 PM Subject: Re: RO water I don't think all RO systems are created equal. I *think* the 3-stage ones do remove most of the fluoride (not sure if they remove all). I doubt the 2-stage ones remove fluoride at all. Note that not even all the chlorinated products are removed by 3-stage ones. I'll double check on our system at home though... -jennifer On Dec 17, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Lana Gibbons wrote: > Where I work we have RO water. Most taps have 3 stages, some only 2. Since > I've been drinking the RO instead of my usual distilled I've been getting > more fluoride/bromate symptoms and just did an iodine skin patch test which > disappeared rediculously fast (maybe an hour to be completely gone). Do all > RO units filter our fluoride or do they need special filters to do so? > > -Lana > > " The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I'm not looking to buy one. I'm just trying to figure out why I'm getting symptoms when I thought I was drinking clean water. -Lana " The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Holt <danthemanholt@...>wrote: > Dr. Mercola's is cheaper and I do believe it removes flouride: > > http://waterfilters.mercola.com/products/drinkingwaterfilters.aspx > > The water filters on this page are more expensive but they may better > filter the water. They also reset the memory and alkalize the water, which > may account for the extra cost. > > http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/category/water-filtration-systems > > Ask this owner if adding pyrophilite clay removes flouride and chlorine > when added to water, not too sure: > > http://pyroclay.com/ > > Finally check with this website if their vortex energiser (copper, silver, > or gold plated) devices remove flouride and chlorine from water. It would > be cheaper I would think. > > http://www.schauberger.co.uk/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 My husband confirms that our system only claims to reduce fluoride - not eliminate it completely. Steinbachs Away from my desk On Dec 17, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote: > I'm not looking to buy one. I'm just trying to figure out why I'm > getting > symptoms when I thought I was drinking clean water. > > -Lana > > " The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Holt > <danthemanholt@...>wrote: > > > Dr. Mercola's is cheaper and I do believe it removes flouride: > > > > http://waterfilters.mercola.com/products/drinkingwaterfilters.aspx > > > > The water filters on this page are more expensive but they may > better > > filter the water. They also reset the memory and alkalize the > water, which > > may account for the extra cost. > > > > http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/category/water-filtration-systems > > > > Ask this owner if adding pyrophilite clay removes flouride and > chlorine > > when added to water, not too sure: > > > > http://pyroclay.com/ > > > > Finally check with this website if their vortex energiser (copper, > silver, > > or gold plated) devices remove flouride and chlorine from water. > It would > > be cheaper I would think. > > > > http://www.schauberger.co.uk/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 > > I don't think all RO systems are created equal. I *think* the > 3-stage ones do remove most of the fluoride (not sure if they > remove all). I doubt the 2-stage ones remove fluoride at all. > Note that not even all the chlorinated products are removed by > 3-stage ones. I'll double check on our system at home though... Fluoride removal in RO systems is accomplished by the RO membrane, which, for the most part, only allows water molecules to pass through, with most of the dissolved content, including fluoride, discarded as waste. All RO systems have a pre-filter to remove chlorine (chlorine destroys the membranes), and most have a carbon post-filter to improve taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 The pre and/or post filters is what adds to your count for 2 vs 3 stage. If I remember right the RO part itself is often rated to work only in certain ranges of chlorine (and likely other contaminates), hence the importance of having a pre-stage filter. However do keep in mind that both the filters and the RO membrane need to be changed periodically. Often times these things get installed and never have the filters updated (especially in work places). Pete Stanley wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't think all RO systems are created equal. I *think* the > > 3-stage ones do remove most of the fluoride (not sure if they > > remove all). I doubt the 2-stage ones remove fluoride at all. > > Note that not even all the chlorinated products are removed by > > 3-stage ones. I'll double check on our system at home though... > > Fluoride removal in RO systems is accomplished by the RO membrane, > which, for the most part, only allows water molecules to pass through, > with most of the dissolved content, including fluoride, discarded as > waste. All RO systems have a pre-filter to remove chlorine (chlorine > destroys the membranes), and most have a carbon post-filter to improve > taste. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Thanks everyone. My job is actually fantastic about changing the filters - ours just got changed a few weeks ago as well as having the whole system flushed. You could *really* taste the difference! I guess I'll just have to limit my consumption or go next door for the 3 stage one. I'm running around often enough to justify that. -Lana " The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Gasper Family Farm <farmer1@...>wrote: > The pre and/or post filters is what adds to your count for 2 vs 3 stage. > If I remember right the RO part itself is often rated to work only in > certain ranges of chlorine (and likely other contaminates), hence the > importance of having a pre-stage filter. > > However do keep in mind that both the filters and the RO membrane need > to be changed periodically. Often times these things get installed and > never have the filters updated (especially in work places). > > Pete > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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