Re: Borax for flouride detox

[Guest guest]

> So I posted about this on the iodine group and someone mentioned borax and

boron to help get rid of flouride. I have been researching it and I am just

blown away by what people report after taking borax.

> I am just excited b/c I knew something wasn't right with the iodine and I knew

it was more than bromide. The treatment with borax is for women 1/8 teaspoon in

a liter of water to be taken throughout the day. People have reported amazing

things when taking this for all kinds of problems. I was wondering if anyone

heard of this?

Very interesting, thanks for posting this. Let us know if you try borax and what

your results are.

Tom

[Guest guest]

I dunno, I fell for that magnesium water thing and found out Milk of

Magnesia contains bleach (and possibly dioxins?). And it was after taking that

that my tendons swelled up and I was unable to walk for a few weeks!

I looked up borax toxicity and found it can lead to liver cancer, is banned as a

food additive in the US, and can cause poisoning because the body is slow to

eliminate it. Boron is a trace mineral that like others is good for you in

small amounts but too much can quickly lead to toxicity. My vote is don't try

it.

How about Vitamin D, C, and iodine for fluoride detox??

--- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, I was just wanted to share with the group something. I have been trying to

increase my iodine. I can only take 2 drops of 2% Lugols comfortably, which is

not much. I thought my symptoms were related to bromide detox but I always did

the salt protocol. I thought man, I must really have a lot of bromide in me but

then I started thinking, iodine gets rid of more than just that, flouride

included. Then I remembered that Flouride is in paxil and prozac which I was put

on for ten years for " panic " attacks, which was beyond quackery, malpractice,

and just plain torture. So I posted about this on the iodine group and someone

mentioned borax and boron to help get rid of flouride. I have been researching

it and I am just blown away by what people report after taking borax.

>

> I am just excited b/c I knew something wasn't right with the iodine and I knew

it was more than bromide. The treatment with borax is for women 1/8 teaspoon in

a liter of water to be taken throughout the day. People have reported amazing

things when taking this for all kinds of problems. I was wondering if anyone

heard of this?

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1401571

> http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/borax.html

>

> good article on flouride http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html

>

[Guest guest]

The iodine chat group is where I got the info as I haven't been up able to

increase my iodine levels without problems. Boron is on iherb where people take

it for their bones or I guess some people take it for flouride detox.

Hulda clark supposedly promotes as a way to deal with fungus, etc. There's stuff

about on earthclinic.com and curezone. That still doesn't mean anything but it's

worth looking into for me. http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/fluoride.html is

where you can find boron being used as antidote for rabbits poisoned with

flourides. God knows if this is true but there it is.

Just like any therapy around it could help some (those who make the claims) and

hurt others.

Each therapy has to be studied individually. I wouldn't not try it if the only

reason is someone tried another therapy unrelated and had swollen tendons. I am

definitely going to research this a bit more but so far it sounds like it has

helped some people.

> >

> > Hi, I was just wanted to share with the group something. I have been trying

to increase my iodine. I can only take 2 drops of 2% Lugols comfortably, which

is not much. I thought my symptoms were related to bromide detox but I always

did the salt protocol. I thought man, I must really have a lot of bromide in me

but then I started thinking, iodine gets rid of more than just that, flouride

included. Then I remembered that Flouride is in paxil and prozac which I was put

on for ten years for " panic " attacks, which was beyond quackery, malpractice,

and just plain torture. So I posted about this on the iodine group and someone

mentioned borax and boron to help get rid of flouride. I have been researching

it and I am just blown away by what people report after taking borax.

> >

> > I am just excited b/c I knew something wasn't right with the iodine and I

knew it was more than bromide. The treatment with borax is for women 1/8

teaspoon in a liter of water to be taken throughout the day. People have

reported amazing things when taking this for all kinds of problems. I was

wondering if anyone heard of this?

> >

> > http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1401571

> > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/borax.html

> >

> > good article on flouride http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Why can't you go above 2 drops for the iodine? Like, what happens? Because the

fluoride detoxing does cause some symptoms. For me, I got digestive upset,

hormonal problems, and some bumps on my skin, if I recall right. My theory was

the digestive upset was the gram-negative bacteria dying (which I probably

didn't want anyways). The hormones were trying to find a balance as iodine is

key to keeping hormones level, and the skin bumps may have been chloracne - the

body getting rid of fluoride and bromide via the skin.

Rabbits are short-lived, so if it causes cancer 10 years from now, the bunny

will already be dead. Just please be careful! I like you on these lists!

*worry!*

> >

> > I dunno, I fell for that magnesium water thing and found out Milk

of Magnesia contains bleach (and possibly dioxins?). And it was after taking

that that my tendons swelled up and I was unable to walk for a few weeks!

> >

> > I looked up borax toxicity and found it can lead to liver cancer, is banned

as a food additive in the US, and can cause poisoning because the body is slow

to eliminate it. Boron is a trace mineral that like others is good for you in

small amounts but too much can quickly lead to toxicity. My vote is don't try

it.

> >

> > How about Vitamin D, C, and iodine for fluoride detox??

> >

> > --- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi, I was just wanted to share with the group something. I have been

trying to increase my iodine. I can only take 2 drops of 2% Lugols comfortably,

which is not much. I thought my symptoms were related to bromide detox but I

always did the salt protocol. I thought man, I must really have a lot of bromide

in me but then I started thinking, iodine gets rid of more than just that,

flouride included. Then I remembered that Flouride is in paxil and prozac which

I was put on for ten years for " panic " attacks, which was beyond quackery,

malpractice, and just plain torture. So I posted about this on the iodine group

and someone mentioned borax and boron to help get rid of flouride. I have been

researching it and I am just blown away by what people report after taking

borax.

> > >

> > > I am just excited b/c I knew something wasn't right with the iodine and I

knew it was more than bromide. The treatment with borax is for women 1/8

teaspoon in a liter of water to be taken throughout the day. People have

reported amazing things when taking this for all kinds of problems. I was

wondering if anyone heard of this?

> > >

> > > http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1401571

> > > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/borax.html

> > >

> > > good article on flouride http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

lol, I promise you if I drop off the list the least of the reasons will be the

borax, it will be my other toxic issues.

What happends to me when I take the iodine is I always get heart arrythmias

(like my heart flipflopping in my chest) and even more exhaustion than I already

have. I do the salt protocol but it just got me thinking of more than the

bromides being the problem hence the flouride investigation. It's so hard to

tell, or to know what's going on for sure especially b/c I can't afford tests,

plus i don't even know if they can test for flouride.

I am either going to try borax itself or a boron supplement, just to see. I

always start slowly and gently as I have done with a lot of other things. I mean

your advice of " be careful " is good, you can't hear that enough in health

seeking endeavors. What struck me about this is how people said it really helped

them with their chronic fatigue. Some of the testimonials really interested me

but of course I wonder: did it continue to help them beyond the time since they

posted, had they made more than one change which is so common and yet people

fail to report the other stuff they were doing?

> > >

> > > I dunno, I fell for that magnesium water thing and found out Milk

of Magnesia contains bleach (and possibly dioxins?). And it was after taking

that that my tendons swelled up and I was unable to walk for a few weeks!

> > >

> > > I looked up borax toxicity and found it can lead to liver cancer, is

banned as a food additive in the US, and can cause poisoning because the body is

slow to eliminate it. Boron is a trace mineral that like others is good for you

in small amounts but too much can quickly lead to toxicity. My vote is don't

try it.

> > >

> > > How about Vitamin D, C, and iodine for fluoride detox??

> > >

> > > --- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi, I was just wanted to share with the group something. I have been

trying to increase my iodine. I can only take 2 drops of 2% Lugols comfortably,

which is not much. I thought my symptoms were related to bromide detox but I

always did the salt protocol. I thought man, I must really have a lot of bromide

in me but then I started thinking, iodine gets rid of more than just that,

flouride included. Then I remembered that Flouride is in paxil and prozac which

I was put on for ten years for " panic " attacks, which was beyond quackery,

malpractice, and just plain torture. So I posted about this on the iodine group

and someone mentioned borax and boron to help get rid of flouride. I have been

researching it and I am just blown away by what people report after taking

borax.

> > > >

> > > > I am just excited b/c I knew something wasn't right with the iodine and

I knew it was more than bromide. The treatment with borax is for women 1/8

teaspoon in a liter of water to be taken throughout the day. People have

reported amazing things when taking this for all kinds of problems. I was

wondering if anyone heard of this?

> > > >

> > > > http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1401571

> > > > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/borax.html

> > > >

> > > > good article on flouride http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You can read more about it here:http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/borax.html

People use borax from everything from fungus to washing one's hair to deoderant,

to getting rid of mange on their dog.

When I tried to find articles against it, the main thing that comes up is that

Borax turns to boric acid in the body. Boric acid that people use for roaches is

said to be of concern b/c it can be made from sulfuric acid (Most boric acid is

produced by adding a strong acid such as sulfuric acid to a solution of borax

and water - How StuffWorks) but I don't know if a. borax does indeed turn to

boric acid in the body and b. the boric acid in the body is the same chemical

formula as the boric acid people are concerned about. I wish I knew a chemist I

could ask about this.

People can always use Boron from Nature's Way or a supplement like that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi, I was just wanted to share with the group something. I

> > have been trying to increase my iodine. I can only take 2 drops of

> > 2% Lugols comfortably, which is not much. I thought my symptoms were

> > related to bromide detox but I always did the salt protocol. I

> > thought man, I must really have a lot of bromide in me but then I

> > started thinking, iodine gets rid of more than just that, flouride

> > included. Then I remembered that Flouride is in paxil and prozac

> > which I was put on for ten years for " panic " attacks, which was

> > beyond quackery, malpractice, and just plain torture. So I posted

> > about this on the iodine group and someone mentioned borax and boron

> > to help get rid of flouride. I have been researching it and I am

> > just blown away by what people report after taking borax.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am just excited b/c I knew something wasn't right with the

> > iodine and I knew it was more than bromide. The treatment with borax

> > is for women 1/8 teaspoon in a liter of water to be taken throughout

> > the day. People have reported amazing things when taking this for

> > all kinds of problems. I was wondering if anyone heard of this?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1401571

> > > > > > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/borax.html

> > > > > >

> > > > > > good article on flouride http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that. I was at 2 drops for a long time but I just recently went up to

3 drops in the last couple of days and feel comfortable. For me the key word is

feeling comfortable. I am not in a rush b/c I am doing this benzo withdrawal

water titration taper that takes months so I am not willing to push anything

else. I wasn't comprehending it but benzos made me more sick than anything else

could have possibly made me sick.

Most people rush their detoxes and really push themselves. I see this with other

people doing the benzo taper and I saw it when I was doing mercury detox. It's

seems that's the most common and tempting pitfall. I still don't know if all

that iodine is right for me, even though it's highly promoted, so taking my

time is the best way to go. If I have been iodine deficient for decades than a

few more months won't kill me until I get comfortable with the idea and the

symptoms. I have been on the iodine group for months but I am still getting

comfortable with all there is to learn about it. I started with one drop a

couple of times a week and now I am at three drops/day and I only suffered

symptoms when I progressed too fast. So I never felt daily symptoms only the

days when I increased it too much, my heart had a lot of arrhythmias. I know

other people who take their iodorall and never felt one errant symptom. Amazing.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Hi, I was just wanted to share with the group something. I have

been

> >>>> trying to increase my iodine. I can only take 2 drops of 2% Lugols

> >>>> comfortably, which is not much. I thought my symptoms were related to

> >>>> bromide detox but I always did the salt protocol. I thought man, I must

> >>>> really have a lot of bromide in me but then I started thinking, iodine

gets

> >>>> rid of more than just that, flouride included. Then I remembered that

> >>>> Flouride is in paxil and prozac which I was put on for ten years for

> >>>> " panic " attacks, which was beyond quackery, malpractice, and just plain

> >>>> torture. So I posted about this on the iodine group and someone

mentioned

> >>>> borax and boron to help get rid of flouride. I have been researching it

and

> >>>> I am just blown away by what people report after taking borax.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > I am just excited b/c I knew something wasn't right with the iodine

> >>>> and I knew it was more than bromide. The treatment with borax is for

women

> >>>> 1/8 teaspoon in a liter of water to be taken throughout the day. People

> >>>> have reported amazing things when taking this for all kinds of problems.

I

> >>>> was wondering if anyone heard of this?

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1401571

> >>>> > > > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/borax.html

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > good article on flouride http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html

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[Guest guest]

I got the book by Dr. Waldbott, " The Fluroide Dilemma " , and in it he mentions

that in autopsies one of the places where the most fluoride was found was the

aorta, which had something like 1,000 times the fluoride in the surrounding

tissue. He believed iodine had a role in preventing clogging of the

arteries/heart disease and that fluoride was being attracted there because of

its similarity to iodine but not fulfilling the role.

I've been thinking about heart health a lot lately - ever since the MD gave me

bactrim, a sulfa drug, which I'm allergic to (she didn't ask me, lost the chart,

and didn't mention it was a sulfa drug - I found that out when I looked up side

effects!) and it kept me up for 5 nights and turned me yellow I've felt tired

and weak, sometimes feeling like fainting. I thought it had messed up my blood

sugar but it also matches heart damage. Taking sugar doesn't seem to help my

" spells " , but laying flat and resting does. SCAAAARY!

I really believe if you've got a lot of fluoride in your aorta, you may not want

to force it out too fast or you could cause more problems - things swell as they

heal, you know? Maybe slow and steady with the iodine would be safest - take as

much as you can tolerate, making sure it's a good source (i.e. no additives

causing problems) and wait a couple of years. Jerry Brunetti thought it took a

year of high dose iodine to get rid of his fluroide and bromide.

Another thing is it may not be your heart at all - the thyroid and adrenals are

pretty closely linked and if the thyroid is doing weird stuff because it's not

used to getting iodine then maybe it's causing an adrenaline rush.

So far for my heart I'm just planning on cutting down the sweets/carbs, trying

for mild exercise as my tendons recover, and taking the vitamin C/lysine combo

that's supposed to roto-rooter the vessels, along with MSM for inflammation and

probiotics to get my flora and fauna back on track.

--- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

>

> lol, I promise you if I drop off the list the least of the reasons will be the

borax, it will be my other toxic issues.

>

> What happends to me when I take the iodine is I always get heart arrythmias

(like my heart flipflopping in my chest) and even more exhaustion than I already

have. I do the salt protocol but it just got me thinking of more than the

bromides being the problem hence the flouride investigation. It's so hard to

tell, or to know what's going on for sure especially b/c I can't afford tests,

plus i don't even know if they can test for flouride.

>

> I am either going to try borax itself or a boron supplement, just to see. I

always start slowly and gently as I have done with a lot of other things. I mean

your advice of " be careful " is good, you can't hear that enough in health

seeking endeavors. What struck me about this is how people said it really helped

them with their chronic fatigue. Some of the testimonials really interested me

but of course I wonder: did it continue to help them beyond the time since they

posted, had they made more than one change which is so common and yet people

fail to report the other stuff they were doing?

[Guest guest]

That sounds scary. When did this happen? Someone gave me this info. on heart

supplements: In Eby's research, he discovered that the amino acids

taurine and

arginine are good for dealing with heart arrhythmias. The standard herbs for the

heart are hawthorn berry, cayenne, ginkgo biloba, and garlic. CoQ10 is also

helpful.

The flouride book sounds interesting. My whole point in doing the borax would be

to see if I could raise my iodine levels without incident b/c I am taking

something to assist my body in getting rid of the flouride, I guess it could be

like the saltwater helping get rid of the bromides. Why do you think iodine

safer than boron for detoxing flouride?

> >

> > lol, I promise you if I drop off the list the least of the reasons will be

the borax, it will be my other toxic issues.

> >

> > What happends to me when I take the iodine is I always get heart arrythmias

(like my heart flipflopping in my chest) and even more exhaustion than I already

have. I do the salt protocol but it just got me thinking of more than the

bromides being the problem hence the flouride investigation. It's so hard to

tell, or to know what's going on for sure especially b/c I can't afford tests,

plus i don't even know if they can test for flouride.

> >

> > I am either going to try borax itself or a boron supplement, just to see. I

always start slowly and gently as I have done with a lot of other things. I mean

your advice of " be careful " is good, you can't hear that enough in health

seeking endeavors. What struck me about this is how people said it really helped

them with their chronic fatigue. Some of the testimonials really interested me

but of course I wonder: did it continue to help them beyond the time since they

posted, had they made more than one change which is so common and yet people

fail to report the other stuff they were doing?

>

[Guest guest]

I went to the doctors the 6th of last month. A week later I was yellowish and

sleep deprived. Now it's almost a full month later and I'm not right. I only

just got off the (doxycycline) last weekend, because the infection was so slow

to clear. I was trying to treat it myself with DMSO, iodine, vitamin C, etc.

Maybe I kept it from going septic but it seemed to be pretty entrenched in my

joints by the time I gave in and went to the MD (tho it started in the joints so

who knows?).

Thanks for the heart tips! I'd like to hear any more you come across.

I believe iodine is much safer than boron because it is more natural to find

highish amounts in foods, like the natives used to eat the thyroids, etc. Plus

high seafood diets can be very high iodine. Boron, it sounds like, you only need

in small trace amounts and it's easy to pass over to too much (like fluoride!).

> >

> > I got the book by Dr. Waldbott, " The Fluroide Dilemma " , and in it he

mentions that in autopsies one of the places where the most fluoride was found

was the aorta, which had something like 1,000 times the fluoride in the

surrounding tissue. He believed iodine had a role in preventing clogging of the

arteries/heart disease and that fluoride was being attracted there because of

its similarity to iodine but not fulfilling the role.

> >

> > I've been thinking about heart health a lot lately - ever since the MD gave

me bactrim, a sulfa drug, which I'm allergic to (she didn't ask me, lost the

chart, and didn't mention it was a sulfa drug - I found that out when I looked

up side effects!) and it kept me up for 5 nights and turned me yellow I've felt

tired and weak, sometimes feeling like fainting. I thought it had messed up my

blood sugar but it also matches heart damage. Taking sugar doesn't seem to help

my " spells " , but laying flat and resting does. SCAAAARY!

> >

> > I really believe if you've got a lot of fluoride in your aorta, you may not

want to force it out too fast or you could cause more problems - things swell as

they heal, you know? Maybe slow and steady with the iodine would be safest -

take as much as you can tolerate, making sure it's a good source (i.e. no

additives causing problems) and wait a couple of years. Jerry Brunetti thought

it took a year of high dose iodine to get rid of his fluroide and bromide.

> >

> > Another thing is it may not be your heart at all - the thyroid and adrenals

are pretty closely linked and if the thyroid is doing weird stuff because it's

not used to getting iodine then maybe it's causing an adrenaline rush.

> >

> > So far for my heart I'm just planning on cutting down the sweets/carbs,

trying for mild exercise as my tendons recover, and taking the vitamin C/lysine

combo that's supposed to roto-rooter the vessels, along with MSM for

inflammation and probiotics to get my flora and fauna back on track.

> >

> > --- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > lol, I promise you if I drop off the list the least of the reasons will be

the borax, it will be my other toxic issues.

> > >

> > > What happends to me when I take the iodine is I always get heart

arrythmias (like my heart flipflopping in my chest) and even more exhaustion

than I already have. I do the salt protocol but it just got me thinking of more

than the bromides being the problem hence the flouride investigation. It's so

hard to tell, or to know what's going on for sure especially b/c I can't afford

tests, plus i don't even know if they can test for flouride.

> > >

> > > I am either going to try borax itself or a boron supplement, just to see.

I always start slowly and gently as I have done with a lot of other things. I

mean your advice of " be careful " is good, you can't hear that enough in health

seeking endeavors. What struck me about this is how people said it really helped

them with their chronic fatigue. Some of the testimonials really interested me

but of course I wonder: did it continue to help them beyond the time since they

posted, had they made more than one change which is so common and yet people

fail to report the other stuff they were doing?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What do you think caused your infection. That's so surprising.

The borax thing is really supposed to help with painful joints and insomnia. I

am still researching it but, boron is found in many foods too. It seems like

iodine, vitamin A, boron, B-12, etc have been recommended on the low side for

RDA allowance. All these things in increased dosages seem to mainly help people,

of course there are always side effects to everything including drinking too

much water and getting too much oxygen (I did hyperbaric chamber treatments so I

had to learn about that, I bet you that would have helped your infection). In

the end who knows how much of these things we are supposed to have as we are all

individuals, but I'll keep you updated. I did one day of the borax and I didn't

notice anything. I did have a little muscle twitching but that could be from the

bike ride I went on when I haven't biked in weeks.

> > >

> > > I got the book by Dr. Waldbott, " The Fluroide Dilemma " , and in it he

mentions that in autopsies one of the places where the most fluoride was found

was the aorta, which had something like 1,000 times the fluoride in the

surrounding tissue. He believed iodine had a role in preventing clogging of the

arteries/heart disease and that fluoride was being attracted there because of

its similarity to iodine but not fulfilling the role.

> > >

> > > I've been thinking about heart health a lot lately - ever since the MD

gave me bactrim, a sulfa drug, which I'm allergic to (she didn't ask me, lost

the chart, and didn't mention it was a sulfa drug - I found that out when I

looked up side effects!) and it kept me up for 5 nights and turned me yellow

I've felt tired and weak, sometimes feeling like fainting. I thought it had

messed up my blood sugar but it also matches heart damage. Taking sugar doesn't

seem to help my " spells " , but laying flat and resting does. SCAAAARY!

> > >

> > > I really believe if you've got a lot of fluoride in your aorta, you may

not want to force it out too fast or you could cause more problems - things

swell as they heal, you know? Maybe slow and steady with the iodine would be

safest - take as much as you can tolerate, making sure it's a good source (i.e.

no additives causing problems) and wait a couple of years. Jerry Brunetti

thought it took a year of high dose iodine to get rid of his fluroide and

bromide.

> > >

> > > Another thing is it may not be your heart at all - the thyroid and

adrenals are pretty closely linked and if the thyroid is doing weird stuff

because it's not used to getting iodine then maybe it's causing an adrenaline

rush.

> > >

> > > So far for my heart I'm just planning on cutting down the sweets/carbs,

trying for mild exercise as my tendons recover, and taking the vitamin C/lysine

combo that's supposed to roto-rooter the vessels, along with MSM for

inflammation and probiotics to get my flora and fauna back on track.

> > >

> > > --- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > lol, I promise you if I drop off the list the least of the reasons will

be the borax, it will be my other toxic issues.

> > > >

> > > > What happends to me when I take the iodine is I always get heart

arrythmias (like my heart flipflopping in my chest) and even more exhaustion

than I already have. I do the salt protocol but it just got me thinking of more

than the bromides being the problem hence the flouride investigation. It's so

hard to tell, or to know what's going on for sure especially b/c I can't afford

tests, plus i don't even know if they can test for flouride.

> > > >

> > > > I am either going to try borax itself or a boron supplement, just to

see. I always start slowly and gently as I have done with a lot of other things.

I mean your advice of " be careful " is good, you can't hear that enough in health

seeking endeavors. What struck me about this is how people said it really helped

them with their chronic fatigue. Some of the testimonials really interested me

but of course I wonder: did it continue to help them beyond the time since they

posted, had they made more than one change which is so common and yet people

fail to report the other stuff they were doing?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Haekclers, one last thing, you could go on the standardprocess website and look

up " heart " and there are some supplements they sell like

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=33

that has bovine heart in it. Then you can go to spinelife.com and order the

products there. Standard process products usually required you getting them from

a chiropractor or practitioner. They used to sell some of their products at Wild

Oats.

> > >

> > > I got the book by Dr. Waldbott, " The Fluroide Dilemma " , and in it he

mentions that in autopsies one of the places where the most fluoride was found

was the aorta, which had something like 1,000 times the fluoride in the

surrounding tissue. He believed iodine had a role in preventing clogging of the

arteries/heart disease and that fluoride was being attracted there because of

its similarity to iodine but not fulfilling the role.

> > >

> > > I've been thinking about heart health a lot lately - ever since the MD

gave me bactrim, a sulfa drug, which I'm allergic to (she didn't ask me, lost

the chart, and didn't mention it was a sulfa drug - I found that out when I

looked up side effects!) and it kept me up for 5 nights and turned me yellow

I've felt tired and weak, sometimes feeling like fainting. I thought it had

messed up my blood sugar but it also matches heart damage. Taking sugar doesn't

seem to help my " spells " , but laying flat and resting does. SCAAAARY!

> > >

> > > I really believe if you've got a lot of fluoride in your aorta, you may

not want to force it out too fast or you could cause more problems - things

swell as they heal, you know? Maybe slow and steady with the iodine would be

safest - take as much as you can tolerate, making sure it's a good source (i.e.

no additives causing problems) and wait a couple of years. Jerry Brunetti

thought it took a year of high dose iodine to get rid of his fluroide and

bromide.

> > >

> > > Another thing is it may not be your heart at all - the thyroid and

adrenals are pretty closely linked and if the thyroid is doing weird stuff

because it's not used to getting iodine then maybe it's causing an adrenaline

rush.

> > >

> > > So far for my heart I'm just planning on cutting down the sweets/carbs,

trying for mild exercise as my tendons recover, and taking the vitamin C/lysine

combo that's supposed to roto-rooter the vessels, along with MSM for

inflammation and probiotics to get my flora and fauna back on track.

> > >

> > > --- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > lol, I promise you if I drop off the list the least of the reasons will

be the borax, it will be my other toxic issues.

> > > >

> > > > What happends to me when I take the iodine is I always get heart

arrythmias (like my heart flipflopping in my chest) and even more exhaustion

than I already have. I do the salt protocol but it just got me thinking of more

than the bromides being the problem hence the flouride investigation. It's so

hard to tell, or to know what's going on for sure especially b/c I can't afford

tests, plus i don't even know if they can test for flouride.

> > > >

> > > > I am either going to try borax itself or a boron supplement, just to

see. I always start slowly and gently as I have done with a lot of other things.

I mean your advice of " be careful " is good, you can't hear that enough in health

seeking endeavors. What struck me about this is how people said it really helped

them with their chronic fatigue. Some of the testimonials really interested me

but of course I wonder: did it continue to help them beyond the time since they

posted, had they made more than one change which is so common and yet people

fail to report the other stuff they were doing?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for keeping us updated. I have no clue why I got the infection. I'd been

feeling pretty good. I had something like strep about a month earlier, but

pretty mild - no fever, bad sore throat but up on my feet in two days. Strep

can cause cellulitis, and also the swollen glands in the neck that I had when I

got the locked jaw that happend just at the beginning of the leg infections - I

think the locked jaw was because of the swollen gland - it got BIG.

> > > >

> > > > I got the book by Dr. Waldbott, " The Fluroide Dilemma " , and in it he

mentions that in autopsies one of the places where the most fluoride was found

was the aorta, which had something like 1,000 times the fluoride in the

surrounding tissue. He believed iodine had a role in preventing clogging of the

arteries/heart disease and that fluoride was being attracted there because of

its similarity to iodine but not fulfilling the role.

> > > >

> > > > I've been thinking about heart health a lot lately - ever since the MD

gave me bactrim, a sulfa drug, which I'm allergic to (she didn't ask me, lost

the chart, and didn't mention it was a sulfa drug - I found that out when I

looked up side effects!) and it kept me up for 5 nights and turned me yellow

I've felt tired and weak, sometimes feeling like fainting. I thought it had

messed up my blood sugar but it also matches heart damage. Taking sugar doesn't

seem to help my " spells " , but laying flat and resting does. SCAAAARY!

> > > >

> > > > I really believe if you've got a lot of fluoride in your aorta, you may

not want to force it out too fast or you could cause more problems - things

swell as they heal, you know? Maybe slow and steady with the iodine would be

safest - take as much as you can tolerate, making sure it's a good source (i.e.

no additives causing problems) and wait a couple of years. Jerry Brunetti

thought it took a year of high dose iodine to get rid of his fluroide and

bromide.

> > > >

> > > > Another thing is it may not be your heart at all - the thyroid and

adrenals are pretty closely linked and if the thyroid is doing weird stuff

because it's not used to getting iodine then maybe it's causing an adrenaline

rush.

> > > >

> > > > So far for my heart I'm just planning on cutting down the sweets/carbs,

trying for mild exercise as my tendons recover, and taking the vitamin C/lysine

combo that's supposed to roto-rooter the vessels, along with MSM for

inflammation and probiotics to get my flora and fauna back on track.

> > > >

> > > > --- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > lol, I promise you if I drop off the list the least of the reasons

will be the borax, it will be my other toxic issues.

> > > > >

> > > > > What happends to me when I take the iodine is I always get heart

arrythmias (like my heart flipflopping in my chest) and even more exhaustion

than I already have. I do the salt protocol but it just got me thinking of more

than the bromides being the problem hence the flouride investigation. It's so

hard to tell, or to know what's going on for sure especially b/c I can't afford

tests, plus i don't even know if they can test for flouride.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am either going to try borax itself or a boron supplement, just to

see. I always start slowly and gently as I have done with a lot of other things.

I mean your advice of " be careful " is good, you can't hear that enough in health

seeking endeavors. What struck me about this is how people said it really helped

them with their chronic fatigue. Some of the testimonials really interested me

but of course I wonder: did it continue to help them beyond the time since they

posted, had they made more than one change which is so common and yet people

fail to report the other stuff they were doing?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

if you buy Standard Process online, make sure you aren't getting expired

products or close to expiring products. I have a friend who sells them and they

are only supposed to be sold by a health care professional.

--- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

>

> Haekclers, one last thing, you could go on the standardprocess website and

look up " heart " and there are some supplements they sell like

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=33

>

> that has bovine heart in it. Then you can go to spinelife.com and order the

products there. Standard process products usually required you getting them from

a chiropractor or practitioner. They used to sell some of their products at Wild

Oats.