Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 a Carnes wrote: > I ordered some tryptophan from overseas and took it 3 nights. It made me > wired and unable to sleep. I have this same reaction to Prozac and Paxil. > Can anyone give me some explanation? I didn't expect this with tryptophan, > but maybe it ups the levels of serotonin too high for me. > a a, what dose are you taking? I got some about a month ago, am taking 500mg at night before bed. It does nothing at all to help my sleep. I am kinda surprised and was disappointed, since its something I'd read about for 20 yrs that sounded like it might help. Oh well, one more thing I can cross of the list of cures that don't work for me. I have the same rxns to antidepressants, even Klonopin, the things that are supposed to help me sleep just keep my brain awake all night, just contribute to more fatigue and is a horrible black hole to fall in to! Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 It might be that serotonin levels are high at some stage of illness and low at other stages. I have the illness for more than 10 years and I don't think my serotonin levels were low until 2000. After that time it was low I think. I use 5htp sometimes and it helps me to sleep. It could also be because of interaction of it with another supplement you are taking. If I remember correctly it should not be used together with some anti-depressants. Thanks. Nil Re: Tryptophan | a, | | Your serotonin level may already be too high. There is evidence for | this in CFS. A.C. Logan wrote a letter about this to the editor of | Alternative Medicine Review in the Feb. 2001 issue (vol. 6, no. 1, | pp. 4-5). Melvin R. Werbach also wrote about it, in the Nov. 2001 | issue of the Townsend Letter. You can read both these articles by | going to www.findarticles.com and typing in their names. | | Rich | | | > I ordered some tryptophan from overseas and took it 3 nights. It | made me | > wired and unable to sleep. I have this same reaction to Prozac and | Paxil. | > Can anyone give me some explanation? I didn't expect this with | tryptophan, | > but maybe it ups the levels of serotonin too high for me. | > a | | | | This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. | | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Marcia, You might wish to give a try to Seriphos. Controls cortisol secretion. Nil Re: Tryptophan | | | a Carnes wrote: | | > I ordered some tryptophan from overseas and took it 3 nights. It made me | > wired and unable to sleep. I have this same reaction to Prozac and Paxil. | > Can anyone give me some explanation? I didn't expect this with tryptophan, | > but maybe it ups the levels of serotonin too high for me. | > a | | a, | | what dose are you taking? I got some about a month ago, am taking 500mg at night before bed. It does nothing at all to help my sleep. I am kinda surprised and was disappointed, since its something | I'd read about for 20 yrs that sounded like it might help. Oh well, one more thing I can cross of the list of cures that don't work for me. | | I have the same rxns to antidepressants, even Klonopin, the things that are supposed to help me sleep just keep my brain awake all night, just contribute to more fatigue and is a horrible black | hole to fall in to! | | Marcia | | | | This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. | | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 I tried 5HTP as well, before I tried the Tryptophan, it didn't help me with sleep at all. Actually made my sleep worse at times, altho at times I thought it did help with pain. When I tried it a year later the pain relief effect didn't happen again. Maybe I didn't get the right doses. Marcia jolight@... wrote: > I did not experience success with tryptophan, but > 5-HTP helped once the proper dose and timing was > determined. A dose of 100 mg ten minutes prior to > sleep produced the best results. A lower dose didn't > work, and 150 mg seemed to produce drowsiness the > next morning. > > 5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) is an amino acid that is > the intermediate step between tryptophan and serotonin. > > Best regards, > > ph Light > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Hi Marcia I ordered some tryptophan too and have been taking 1500mg at night. It has helped me stay asleep. I read several sites on the web that said that you need to take about 1000 -2000mg for it to help - especially when you first start taking it. Apparently you can cut down afterwards. It helps to take it with vitamin B3 and B6 too apparently. I've just taken a B complex with it. If you do a search on l- tryptophan on the web there's quite a lot of info But of course it may just not work for you because as we know what works for one doesn't for another Re: Tryptophan a Carnes wrote: > I ordered some tryptophan from overseas and took it 3 nights. It made me > wired and unable to sleep. I have this same reaction to Prozac and Paxil. > Can anyone give me some explanation? I didn't expect this with tryptophan, > but maybe it ups the levels of serotonin too high for me. > a a, what dose are you taking? I got some about a month ago, am taking 500mg at night before bed. It does nothing at all to help my sleep. I am kinda surprised and was disappointed, since its something I'd read about for 20 yrs that sounded like it might help. Oh well, one more thing I can cross of the list of cures that don't work for me. I have the same rxns to antidepressants, even Klonopin, the things that are supposed to help me sleep just keep my brain awake all night, just contribute to more fatigue and is a horrible black hole to fall in to! Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 I’ve had success recently with GABA in powder form, under the tongue. I’m using my ImmunePro scoop, and that actually seems to be overkill, in the sense that I sleep too long. So I’ll start backing off from there. Here’s hoping I’m not passing on a placebo effect or a short-lived efficacy! Maybe we’ll see if others replicate my initial experience. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Hi Where do you get your powdered GABA from??? Re: Tryptophan I've had success recently with GABA in powder form, under the tongue. I'm using my ImmunePro scoop, and that actually seems to be overkill, in the sense that I sleep too long. So I'll start backing off from there. Here's hoping I'm not passing on a placebo effect or a short-lived efficacy! Maybe we'll see if others replicate my initial experience. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 I get Tryptophan at the local health food store and even my grocery store, without RX, have been getting it there for months. > In the United States, Pharmaceutical Grade Tryptophan is available > WITHOUT Rx, and has been for years. I have used it since the 60's, > without interruption. > > The the media fabrication was that is was illegal, which paved the way > for the introduction of ProZac and other SSRIs into the marketplace. > The reality is, Tryptophan IS NOT illegal, nor does it need an Rx. > > Dolphi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 You are supposed to get it by Rx only. It is sold as an animal feed additive, but of course nobody would ever dream of getting animal food at a farm supply store and giving it to their kid (and the store people would not sell it for that purpose if they thought anyone was doing that). I do believe it is available on the web, too, but only to feed to animals. Andy > Where can I buy this supp? And what is dosage for 46lb 6 year old? > > Thanks, > Rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 I have ordered this one. http://www.biochemicals.com/ [ ] Re: tryptophan > You are supposed to get it by Rx only. > > It is sold as an animal feed additive, but of course nobody would ever > dream of getting animal food at a farm supply store and giving it to > their kid (and the store people would not sell it for that purpose if > they thought anyone was doing that). > > I do believe it is available on the web, too, but only to feed to > animals. > > Andy > > > Where can I buy this supp? And what is dosage for 46lb 6 year old? > > > > Thanks, > > Rh > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 In the United States, Pharmaceutical Grade Tryptophan is available WITHOUT Rx, and has been for years. I have used it since the 60's, without interruption. The the media fabrication was that is was illegal, which paved the way for the introduction of ProZac and other SSRIs into the marketplace. The reality is, Tryptophan IS NOT illegal, nor does it need an Rx. Dolphi From: andrewhallcutler [mailto:AndyCutler@...] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: [ ] Re: tryptophan >You are supposed to get it by Rx only. It is sold as an animal feed additive, but of course nobody would ever dream of getting animal food at a farm supply store and giving it to their kid (and the store people would not sell it for that purpose if they thought anyone was doing that). I do believe it is available on the web, too, but only to feed to animals. Andy > Where can I buy this supp? And what is dosage for 46lb 6 year old? > > Thanks, > Rh ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 shes on spectrum and those are adaptations. a lot of the early and miners were as which is why wa has such a high proportion of as. black and white she is on spectrum and the parents need to bite that instead of crying 'mommy' to some psych who will get out the drug cross and immediately start nailing her to it. *aspergers syndrome " and if the parents seem unable to get to grips with the sort of interventions you have been doing then the charming tony attwood would be a better alternative than any wa medical help which i am sure is like tasmanaa.....never quite made it from the fifties and still reminisce about electro shcok treamtent not being used enough. the serotonin thing is very over simplifyed................. and the very low dose frequent interval lithium seems to work beter anyway. they should get a hair test. ASPERGERS SYNDROME you family may be like mine, one of the more intense spectrum clusters around and deep in semi denial. > >sleeping problems are indicative of such a >major degree of neural > >problems that you sister would advised to >get on this board > > Thanks . It's not sleep probs. They are saying she is depressed because of the monotone voice and mask-like appearance but I see many autistic traits in her. Tryptophan or 5 HTP would be better (much)than Prozac. > Prue > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 >>>They are saying she is depressed because of the monotone voice and mask-like appearance but I see many autistic traits in her. Tryptophan or 5 HTP would be better (much)than Prozac. In all the time my family (including extended family) has dealt with depression, I am not familiar with a monotone boice being associated with depression. Depression can be expressed in different ways. And it can develop as a common 'side-effect' of any major illness. As our doctor (and pharmacist and nurse) said, " Anyone dealing with chronic pain or illness can develop depression. " That would be 'typical'. Also, the tryptophan or 5-HTP (or st john's wort in cases) may help with milder cases, but a prescription anti-depressant may be necessary. I just wouldn't want a potentially beneficial option categorically eliminated. Both prescription medical and alternative measures have their places. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 This " flat affect " can also be a byproduct of low doapmine, low iron, or a yeast infection. My son's " flat affect " and monotone voice disappeared after treating him with pau d'arco, an antifungal herb. Re: tryptophan > >>>They are saying she is depressed because of the monotone voice and > mask-like appearance but I see many autistic traits in her. > Tryptophan or 5 HTP would be better (much)than Prozac. > > > In all the time my family (including extended family) has dealt with > depression, I am not familiar with a monotone boice being associated > with depression. Depression can be expressed in different ways. And > it can develop as a common 'side-effect' of any major illness. As our > doctor (and pharmacist and nurse) said, " Anyone dealing with chronic > pain or illness can develop depression. " That would be 'typical'. > > Also, the tryptophan or 5-HTP (or st john's wort in cases) may help > with milder cases, but a prescription anti-depressant may be > necessary. I just wouldn't want a potentially beneficial option > categorically eliminated. Both prescription medical and alternative > measures have their places. > > . > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 Hi Martha, typtophan is precursor of 5 HTP and 5 htp is precursor of serotonin. if you have problems in converting tryptophan to 5 htp than it might be better idea to take 5 htp directly. Otherwise take tryptophan. This can be understood only by trial and error. Try them. Also I would like to warn you that insomnia may be caused by different problems. It could be due to high cortisol,low serotonin,low blood sugar..These are the things that I know. There might be other reasons. So,if one has insomnia due to high cortisol but taking 5 htp to correct it this might not be the best approach.You might have high cortisol and high serotonin at this point of your illness and if that is true taking 5 htp or tryptophan for sleeping might not do you good.So IMHO please investigate on the option of having high cortisol. if you do do than you need to find a supplement to lower your night cortisol. Thanks Nil tryptophan Does anyone take tryptophan for insomnia? Is 5-HTP better? Should one use a combination of both? I've read the recent posts on seratonin and am confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 Nil, Insomnia can be caused by: -stress, EBV, smoking, restless leg syndrome [see related section], pain, sleep apnea [risk factors include hypertension, snoring, daytime sleepiness & overweight], phase shift, shift work, noise, restless partner, night urination, candida, parasites [e.g. protozoa, helminths]) -low melatonin [declines with age; particularly likely in people over 35-40], low serotonin, high norepinephrine, high adrenalin, hypoglycemia, hyperthyroidism, progesterone deficiency, excess estrogen, adrenal fatigue [light sleeper, waking up at 2-4 AM, unrefreshing sleep], high cortisol, low DHEA, low Growth Hormone [decreased quantity and quality], wilson's thyroid syndrome -low magnesium, food allergies, low calcium, caffeine, low vitamin B1, low vitamin B5, low vitamin B6, low Calcium, high copper, low iron, alcoholism, pyroluria, excess chromium, excess vitamin D -lead poisoning, mercury poisoning Regards, blake tryptophan > > > Does anyone take tryptophan for insomnia? Is 5-HTP better? Should > one use a combination of both? I've read the recent posts on > seratonin and am confused. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 I found trytophan works well, better yet is magnesium. Also theanine works. I didn't like 5htp. It works, but it bothered my bladder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 - Nil, Thanks so much for reponding to my desperate plea for info on tryptophan, etc. Great explanation! I guess it is time to have my cortisol tested again. I was not aware that there is a supplement to lower night cortisol. -- In , " Nymphaea " <ng2113@s...> wrote: > Hi Martha, > > typtophan is precursor of 5 HTP and 5 htp is precursor of serotonin. if you have problems in converting tryptophan to 5 htp than it might be better idea to take 5 htp directly. Otherwise take tryptophan. This can be understood only by trial and error. Try them. > > Also I would like to warn you that insomnia may be caused by different problems. It could be due to high cortisol,low serotonin,low blood sugar..These are the things that I know. There might be other reasons. So,if one has insomnia due to high cortisol but taking 5 htp to correct it this might not be the best approach.You might have high cortisol and high serotonin at this point of your illness and if that is true taking 5 htp or tryptophan for sleeping might not do you good.So IMHO please investigate on the option of having high cortisol. if you do do than you need to find a supplement to lower your night cortisol. > Thanks > Nil >. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 > brain wondering why my 11 yr old was much better a few years back and > even better when he was diagnosed at 3. Brain fog, HUGE physical > stimming and hyperactivity have only worsened, despite years of a > GF/CF diet. My son did not tolerate rice or corn. In fact, when I removed rice and corn, and added back wheat with HNI enzymes, he noticeably improved. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 tryptophan transport across membranes is a more common problem than most medical professionals realize. It is the largest of all the amino acids and is non-polar. The famous " niacin deficiency " condition called pellegra is actually caused by a defect in transport of tryptophan across membranes. pellegra responds to niacin so well because it takes 35 tryptophanes to make one niacin. Supplimenting with niacin simply frees up a lot of tryptophane. Simply replacing prozac with niacin can have monthly improvement in mood with no side effects. If you want to try this make sure inositol is in the name of the niacin. > Tryptophan is a precursor to serotonin. > Adrienne > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Tryptophan is used to make niacin -- required Iron, etc. > > Our experience suggests that getting niacin flush from low levels of > niacin (100 mg) may indicate a tryptophan or iron deficiency. If the > body was making enough niacin, niacin supplement would only increase > it's level by a relative little amount, and thus no flush. > > > > Tryptophan is an " essential " amino acid. Means our body does not make > it, and it is essential to get it from food. (Or supplements.) > > Adrienne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 --- Hi! My dd's Amino Acid Profile shows that she is deficient in Tryptophan therefre Our DAN has put her on a prescription Amino Acid called L-Tryptophan. I am using it only from last 2 days therefore cant comment much right now. In , <cecilia76@...> wrote: > > Tryptophan, is anyone using this?? I've been up since 4 in the morning and I found this, I'd appreciate any comments on this supplement. > Thanks > Cecilia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 http://www.physicianformulas.com/store/Scripts/prodview.asp?idproduct=154 & name=Tryptophan-60 Or some folks use 5HTP which we've never tried. tryptophan worked great for my dtr when she was young to help her get to sleep at night. It needs to be given away from other amino acids however....any protein. Give it with fruit. If you're not using it as a sleep aid however I would guess it would still be effective as a supplement when given with any foods. Anyone know? Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Here's a link that has foods which are high in Tryptophan: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=103 Qadoshyah *Got Down Syndrome? www.gotdownsyndrome.net http://gotdownsyndrome.blogspot.com From: Down Syndrome Treatment [mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ] On Behalf Of Patty CareySent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:21 AMDown Syndrome Treatment Subject: Tryptophan You'll have to excuse me I am slowly working on Hunter's supplements so I am behind on some of the things you have already discussed. I am wondering how to increase Hunter's Tryptophan levels. He shows typical symptoms of it being low, i.e.. carb cravings, sleep, etc. Could you all give me some suggestions please? FYI, we do not use Nutrivene. We use Spectrum Complete from Kirkman's. Thanks! Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Sherry, How do you determine the dosage? http://www.physicianformulas.com/store/Scripts/prodview.asp?idproduct=154 & name=Tryptophan-60 Or some folks use 5HTP which we've never tried. tryptophan worked great for my dtr when she was young to help her get to sleep at night. It needs to be given away from other amino acids however....any protein. Give it with fruit. If you're not using it as a sleep aid however I would guess it would still be effective as a supplement when given with any foods. Anyone know? Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 The dosage: this is just from a quick google search. My "rule" used to be 1/4 adult dose for when she was little. You can also call CERI www.ceri.com and get the recommended dosage or the company that makes Nutrivene.... International Nutrition. I would check with someone like this before dosing a little person. Sherry The usual dosage of tryptophan for insomnia ranges from 500 mg to 4,000 mg taken one hour before bedtime. It is best not to take tryptophan with protein as it competes with tryptophan for absorption, but it can be taken with a carbohydrate snack. Vitamin B6 and magnesium enhance the effect of tryptophan. Tryptophan can also be combined with the B vitamin niacinamide for chronic pain or depression. An alternative to tryptophan that is readily available in health food stores is 5-HTP or five hydroxytryptophan. This compound is a precursor to tryptophan. The dosage, however, is very different—100 to 200 mg at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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