Re: The best K-2 supplement?

[Guest guest]

There are two primary forms of k-2 that are being promoted. MK4 and MK7. WAPF

argues that you should get them from whole food sources rather than isolated

supplements. WAPF says whole foods were made in their composition for optimal

synergetic absorption. Dairy has MK4 and natto (a version of fermented soy)

has high amount of mk 7. Cheese also has MK7, 8, and 9 in it. Dairy also

contains quinones, hormones from the grass. Cows grown on pastures eating

fresh grass have a much higher content of vitamin K2 and quinones. It's in the

grass, which I believe starts as k1 and gets converted to k2 in the cow's

digestion. Dairy is a great choice because it contains a full spectrum of

nutrients: probiotics, enzymes, water, fat soluble vitamins, minerals, lechithin

which also boosts absorption, and these are all well known for boosting the

absorption rather than an isolated part. A small percentage of vitamin k1 from

produce will convert to k2 in the body.

It's a very small amount however. K2 MK4 also aids in the absorption of

vitamins A and D. It's a questionable issue of just how much A and D can absorb

without K2. People feel more healing benefits when they take high vitamin butter

oil (high in k2, lechithin, and quinones) with the fclo according to Price's

studies.

 

IMO it's also more affordable to take all of your nutrients together in whole

foods rather than buying the individual isolated versions. It's amazing just how

dense in nutrients whole foods are and we're not aware of it or taking advantage

of it. Isolated vitamins are cloned so they don't absorb the same as the real

deal, and may cause bad effects. You have to take higher amounts of isolated

vitamins because a huge percentage of it won't absorb.

 

Here's a couple of good sources of K2:

 

http://www.greenpasture.org/community/ high vitamin butter oil

 

http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/iridesca-500g-p-388.html?tab=ingredients natural\

ly occuring sources of vitamin k1, k2 (MK 4, 7, 8, and 9) have two tspns a day

as anymore would give you excess iodine, keep in freezer, comes out to a little

bit over a dollar a day if you have it in this quantity. Contains about 150mcg

of k2 per two tspns.

 

Bones and liver of cows are also great sources of vitamin k2.

 

I personally feel raw milk is a superior source of k2 as it also contains a lot

of other vitamins that bring many other benefits. It's cheaper just to go with

raw milk rather than buying a lot of other isolated supplements.

This below is cheaper but it is

 

http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Vitamin-K2-MK-7-from-Natto-Extract

http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Ultra-Vitamin-K-with-Advanced-K2-Complex

 

These are cheaper but the first supplement doesn't contain that much MK7 to

carry the benefits natto is known for, which is about 1000mcg of k2 mk7. The one

below is isolated form not from a whole food source. It's questionable what

level of benefits it will bring to the body.

 

Dan Holt

From: mike <tropical@...>

Subject: The best K-2 supplement?

Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 5:34 PM

 

What is the current thought on the best K-2 supplement? Are there any brands

that you folks have tried that have given you good results personally? Thanks.

mike

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this article lists food sources of K2 also

http://www.westonaprice.org/On-the-Trail-of-the-Elusive-X-Factor-A-Sixty-Two-Yea\

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[Guest guest]

Also k2 mk4 form is thought to be the nutrient you want, not mk7. MK4 stores in

your body right away. This is the form that is also believed to be great for

bone/teeth growth. MK7 may have other benefits but it's not highly regarded as

MK4 is.

 

Dan Holt

From: mike <tropicalrawfoods (DOT) com>

Subject: The best K-2 supplement?

Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 5:34 PM

 

What is the current thought on the best K-2 supplement? Are there any brands

that you folks have tried that have given you good results personally? Thanks.

mike

[Guest guest]

Hard cheese is the best overall source of mk 7, 8, and 9. Natto is the

highest source of vitamin mk7. Goose liver and good legs are the higherst

source of mk4. Eggs and dairy from pastured animals who eat fresh grass are not

only great sources of mk4, but also other cofactors that aid in the absorption

of k2 and other vitamins/minerals.

 

It's best to get these nutrients together rather than in isolated form. If you

just wanted the isolated form and that's it then it's probably best to go with

ultra vitamin k with advanced k2 complex.

 

It's good to take vitamin a and d with k2. Eggs, dairy, and fermented codliver

oil are good sources of fat soluble vitamins. Codliver oil may not have certain

cofactors dairy has, so it's best to take codliver oil and dairy together to get

the most benefits of these fat soluble vitamins. For this reason I far

prefer fermented codliver oil/dairy from grassfed cows raised on pastures and

exsula iridesca.

 

To get the full spectrum of vitamins minerals have dairy, fclo, bone broth,

eggs, and organ meats especially liver.

 

Dan Holt

From: mike <tropicalrawfoods (DOT) com>

Subject: The best K-2 supplement?

Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 5:34 PM

 

What is the current thought on the best K-2 supplement? Are there any brands

that you folks have tried that have given you good results personally? Thanks.

mike

[Guest guest]

Hi mike,

I know you already know about food sources from your previous posts. AFAIK Edam

is the cheese with the most K, from the particular culture which makes it. My

kids will eat natto sometimes, and I am working on nattoing other foodstuffs

than soy, but haven't been successful yet. Adele mentions that

nutritionists believed intestinal bacteria provided all our K before

antibiotics, and recommended yogurt (of course natto and raw edam would be

better). Goose liver is quite expensive, I tried to have my husband order some.

It is illegal here, but quite possible that I might own a grassfed raw milk and

farm egg business. So we eat tons of both, and still do not get enough K for

our needs. Liver we only eat about once or twice a week.

We are poor and know that much of our food is inadequate, and so buy the

cheapest supps we can. I have had much better results with the Jarrow K2 than

the Vitacost NSI brand, but money is so tight here I've only been taking one

rather than two.

We all know the WAPF line here about food versus supplements. There are so many

conditions of toxicity and malabsorption, not to mention the substantial

percentage of the population who can't afford the perfect diet that their

position becomes ridiculous, and dangerous.

Desh

[Guest guest]

How is jarrow k2 better than nsi k2? They have the same exact ingredients.

 

Dan Holt

From: bllfrntz <deshabell@...>

Subject: Re: The best K-2 supplement?

Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 7:17 AM

 

Hi mike,

I know you already know about food sources from your previous posts. AFAIK Edam

is the cheese with the most K, from the particular culture which makes it. My

kids will eat natto sometimes, and I am working on nattoing other foodstuffs

than soy, but haven't been successful yet. Adele mentions that

nutritionists believed intestinal bacteria provided all our K before

antibiotics, and recommended yogurt (of course natto and raw edam would be

better). Goose liver is quite expensive, I tried to have my husband order some.

It is illegal here, but quite possible that I might own a grassfed raw milk and

farm egg business. So we eat tons of both, and still do not get enough K for our

needs. Liver we only eat about once or twice a week.

We are poor and know that much of our food is inadequate, and so buy the

cheapest supps we can. I have had much better results with the Jarrow K2 than

the Vitacost NSI brand, but money is so tight here I've only been taking one

rather than two.

We all know the WAPF line here about food versus supplements. There are so many

conditions of toxicity and malabsorption, not to mention the substantial

percentage of the population who can't afford the perfect diet that their

position becomes ridiculous, and dangerous.

Desh