Re: Question about digestive enzymes

[Guest guest]

What types of enzymes? Digestive enzymes?

 

Sally Fallon talks about enzymes in the book " Nourishing Traditions " . Digestive

enzymes are destroyed when you cook foods. I read about enzyme therapy elsewhere

too, people use enzyme supplements to heal from being sick. Some of the

information I read said your body's immune system is weakened because it has to

overcompensate by producing it's own enzymes from the cooked foods we eat. After

awhile your body may stop producing the enzymes for those cooked foods, so you

become allergic to the foods. Pasteurized milk is a good example. Unlike

starches, people have not evolved the ability to produce enzymes to help with

digestion of lactose. Let alone other sources of simple carbs. Another reason

why refined sugar and high fructose corn syrup are a poison. Raw milk contains

it's own enzymes to help with the digestion of lactose. This is a reason why

many people may be lactose intolerant.

There are other benefits to raw food, higher in nutrients, undenatured

nutrients boosts antioxidant glutathione, source of probiotics which are said

to account for 80% of our immune system defense and serotonin production,

serotonin and human growth hormone work together in balance, and digestive

enzymes.

 

Dan Holt

From: gailz059 <gailz059@...>

Subject: Question about digestive enzymes

Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 11:45 AM

 

Hello,

I looked through some of the posts regarding digestive enzymes and I saw no

discussion about potential dependency on the enzymes. I have been asking various

practitioners for their opinions. So far four of them (two of these sell

enzymes) tell me there is no issue with dependency and two of them have told me

that there is. The ones who say there is no problem seem to be taking them on an

ongoing basis with no plans to stop. Is it true that your body will stop making

digestive enzymes after you use them for an extended period and what is an

extended period? There seems be a more unified opinion that taking hormones

causes your body not to produce hormones when you stop taking them. Does anyone

have any thoughts on the issue?

Thanks,

Gail

[Guest guest]

I have to go back on what I say. Your body has evolved to produce high levels of

enzymes for starches, but it taxes your body to produce digestive enzymes of

lactose and other simple carbs. It can produce enzymes for them, but you may run

into problems like allergies because after awhile it won't be able to

effectively produce the enzymes for the simple carbs.

 

Dan Holt

From: gailz059 <gailz059 (DOT) com>

Subject: Question about digestive enzymes

Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 11:45 AM

 

Hello,

I looked through some of the posts regarding digestive enzymes and I saw no

discussion about potential dependency on the enzymes. I have been asking various

practitioners for their opinions. So far four of them (two of these sell

enzymes) tell me there is no issue with dependency and two of them have told me

that there is. The ones who say there is no problem seem to be taking them on an

ongoing basis with no plans to stop. Is it true that your body will stop making

digestive enzymes after you use them for an extended period and what is an

extended period? There seems be a more unified opinion that taking hormones

causes your body not to produce hormones when you stop taking them. Does anyone

have any thoughts on the issue?

Thanks,

Gail

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Your comment is interesting but could you give me a little more detail about

what you are saying, specifically about this portion of text:

" undenatur ed nutrients boosts antioxidant glutathione, source of probiotics

which are said to account for 80% of our immune system defense and serotonin

production, serotonin and human growth hormone work together in balance, andÂ

digestive enzymes. "

Are you saying undenatured (uncooked) proteins boost glutathione and that

undenatured protein, glutathione or antioxidants create probiotics or that they

lead to the creation of probiotics?

Does the production of serotonin and hgh require an external source of digestive

enzymes or at least enzymes from raw food in addition to the enzymes that the

body provides?

I thought that the complete digestion of protein led to effective production of

serotonin, glutathione as well as hormones. (But I have no formal training in

this area so I my understanding is very general.)

Do we have to conclude that externally provided enzymes are required for

digestion of cooked food because our bodies were not designed for cooked food?

If that is the case why is it that the generations that preceded us survived and

in some cases thrived on cooked food without digestive enzymes being widely

available at stores or elsewhere? (Maybe cleaner and less processed food was

available?) If man did not need them in the past and does need them now, it

seems possible that we are evolving into a situation where people are losing

their digestive capacity and will have to rely on externally digestive enzymes

(or other tools) to survive as a species.

Well as you can see I'm digressing here. I really was interested in whether

people are creating a dependency by using them all the time.

Gail

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> From: gailz059 <gailz059 (DOT) com>

> Subject: Question about digestive enzymes

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> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 11:45 AM

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>  

>

> Hello,

>

> I looked through some of the posts regarding digestive enzymes and I saw no

discussion about potential dependency on the enzymes. I have been asking various

practitioners for their opinions. So far four of them (two of these sell

enzymes) tell me there is no issue with dependency and two of them have told me

that there is. The ones who say there is no problem seem to be taking them on an

ongoing basis with no plans to stop. Is it true that your body will stop making

digestive enzymes after you use them for an extended period and what is an

extended period? There seems be a more unified opinion that taking hormones

causes your body not to produce hormones when you stop taking them. Does anyone

have any thoughts on the issue?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Gail

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Your comment is interesting but could you give me a little more detail about

what you are saying, specifically about this portion of text:

" undenatur ed nutrients boosts antioxidant glutathione, source of probiotics

which are said to account for 80% of our immune system defense and serotonin

production, serotonin and human growth hormone work together in balance, andÂ

digestive enzymes. "

Are you saying undenatured (uncooked) proteins boost glutathione and that

undenatured protein, glutathione or antioxidants create probiotics or that they

lead to the creation of probiotics?

Does the production of serotonin and hgh require an external source of digestive

enzymes or at least enzymes from raw food in addition to the enzymes that the

body provides?

I thought that the complete digestion of protein led to effective production of

serotonin, glutathione as well as hormones. (But I have no formal training in

this area so I my understanding is very general.)

Do we have to conclude that externally provided enzymes are required for

digestion of cooked food because our bodies were not designed for cooked food?

If that is the case why is it that the generations that preceded us survived and

in some cases thrived on cooked food without digestive enzymes being widely

available at stores or elsewhere? (Maybe cleaner and less processed food was

available?) If man did not need them in the past and does need them now, it

seems possible that we are evolving into a situation where people are losing

their digestive capacity and will have to rely on externally digestive enzymes

(or other tools) to survive as a species.

Well as you can see I'm digressing here. I really was interested in whether

people are creating a dependency by using them all the time.

Gail

>

> From: gailz059 <gailz059 (DOT) com>

> Subject: Question about digestive enzymes

>

> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 11:45 AM

>

>  

>

> Hello,

>

> I looked through some of the posts regarding digestive enzymes and I saw no

discussion about potential dependency on the enzymes. I have been asking various

practitioners for their opinions. So far four of them (two of these sell

enzymes) tell me there is no issue with dependency and two of them have told me

that there is. The ones who say there is no problem seem to be taking them on an

ongoing basis with no plans to stop. Is it true that your body will stop making

digestive enzymes after you use them for an extended period and what is an

extended period? There seems be a more unified opinion that taking hormones

causes your body not to produce hormones when you stop taking them. Does anyone

have any thoughts on the issue?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Gail

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Thanks for all this information (which I need to digest). I asked about enzymes

because I recently attended a training course pertaining to digestive enzymes.

The instructor mentioned many health applications and benefits (very appealing,

I'm sure many people went home planning to use the enzymes). However I had the

impression that using enzymes for her and for her clients was a lifetime

commitment. That is okay if people realize that it is for life. As I have

asked around no one seems to agree whether or not the body needs to continue

using the enzymes after improvement has been met. Of course it could be that

practitioners that I talked to have success with their individual protocols when

they use digestive enzymes so questions like mine have not come up.

On a separate note... Are you person on this list who was investigating

nutrition training programs? If so which one did you think was the best? I did

see one in England (ION) which looked interesting but the clinical training is

in England so it would not work for me.

Gail

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> From: Holt <danthemanholt@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Question about digestive enzymes

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> Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 5:34 PM

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> Hello Gail,

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> Undenatured cystine is best known to produce a more potent master

antioxidant glutathi one. There are other undenatured antioxidants that also

augment this. If they are heated they still boost glutathione but at much weaker

levels. The growth and immune factors of raw milk also boost production of

glutathione. Some vitamins and minerals may also play a role in the production

of glutathione. Foods like onions may also have an effect on glutathione, not

too sure.

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> Raw foods carry their own natural digestive enzymes and probiotics. I don't

know how your body goes about produces probiotics and digestive enzymes, that's

a very technical question.

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> <<<<Are you saying undenatured (uncooked) proteins boost glutathione and that

undenatured protein, glutathione or antioxidants create probiotics or that they

lead to the creation of probiotics?> >>

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> You can produce serotonin and hgh when you exercise. You can also get hgh and

from raw milk or raw colostrum. Some amino acids can aid in the release of

serotonin. Serotonin and hgh or released together in balance. Your stomach's

probiotics account for most of your serotonin production. Depression is higher

than ever and we eat a mostly cooked and refined food diet. Eskimos were said to

be the happiest people on Earth and they ate an almost purely raw food diet.

They set meat out to age for up to a year called " high meat " so it would be

predigested. It's probiotic content multiplies. Aajonus Vonderplantiz, a raw

foodist, says eating high meat or probiotic rich foods can alleviate years of

depression just after one swallow. If you keep your gut bacteria healthy and in

optimal numbers you will have greater moods. Sometimes depression isn't just

situational, but can be due to nutrition.

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> Can't say if digestive enzymes are linked to serotonin and hgh. Your body uses

it's own reserves to make it's own enzymes when the diet is absent in them. This

leads to a weaker immune system that gets attacked by foreign invaders more

often. You may also develop allergies and digestive problems to many cooked

foods. I believe Sally Fallon Morrell said in her book " Nourishing Traditions "

that years without adequate digestive enzymes leads to the body aging faster.

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> <<<Does the production of serotonin and hgh require an external source of

digestive enzymes or at least enzymes from raw food in addition to the enzymes

that the body provides? >>>>

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> Protein plays a part in the production of serotonin. As you can see from the

above there are other factors to consider. The healthiest cutlures and the

healthiest animals ate a purely raw food diet. Raw dairy and raw meat, fat,

organs, and glands sometimes fermented ang aged were a big part to their

health. Kimchi, Beet Kvass, and Sauerkraut are also great choices.

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> <<I thought that the complete digestion of protein led to effective production

of serotonin, glutathione as well as hormones. (But I have no formal training in

this area so I my understanding is very general.) >>

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> If you read Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions you'll see raw foods were a

regular part of society, including Europe, up until a century ago at the

beginning of the Industrial age. Some cultures have a 90% raw food diet whereas

others had a 50/50 raw cooked diet. Our health has been on the decline within

the last 100 years. Weston A. Price and many other great pioneers of that time

started to see physical degeneration within cultures. Read " Nutrition and

Physical Degeneration " whenever you get a chance. Now in days we have a number

of growing health problems: aesteoperosis, arthritis, bone loss, clogged

arteries, cancer, depression, 1/100 children are born autistic in the USA,

higher rate of criminality, the list goes on.

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> The only cooked food our body's have adapted to produce a greater abundance of

digestive enzymes for are starches. That is because our guts cannot process raw

starches. Over time raw starches take a toll on our health. Simple carbs in

excess are bad for our health so man ate a higher proportion of their carbs as

starches. I've heard it takes 500 generations for our body to evolve an adaption

like that.

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> <<<<Do we have to conclude that externally provided enzymes are required for

digestion of cooked food because our bodies were not designed for cooked food?

If that is the case why is it that the generations that preceded us survived and

in some cases thrived on cooked food without digestive enzymes being widely

available at stores or elsewhere? (Maybe cleaner and less processed food was

available?) If man did not need them in the past and does need them now, it

seems possible that we are evolving into a situation where people are losing

their digestive capacity and will have to rely on externally digestive enzymes

(or other tools) to survive as a species.>>>

>

> I don't see how it could create a dependency but I'd prefer the raw foods

rather than supplementing. Sometimes it's safer for someone to supplement first

to build up their health before they consume raw foods. A virus from raw

food my body can handle could kill a sickly person who hasn't built up their

health. A better choice than digestive enzyme supplements is to have some

fermented raw food with your meals. A piece of raw starch, doesn't have to be

much maybe the size of a pea, fermented kimchi, sauerkraut, and Beet Kvass. Raw

proteins like raw eggs, raw milk, and sushi are also great choices. So you can

mix cooked food and raw food together.

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> <<Well as you can see I'm digressing here. I really was interested in whether

people are creating a dependency by using them all the time.>>

>

> Dan Holt

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