Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from greenpastures.

[Guest guest]

2ml is 2/5th of a teaspoon not 4/5th of a teaspoon.

>

> http://www.greenpasture.org/community/?q=node/219 (D2 and D3 of fclo, D2 being

good too.)

>  

> http://www.greenpasture.org/community/?q=node/140 (here it is suggested people

only need 3ml a day of fclo with 2.5ml a day of butter oil, mentions people who

don't store high levels of vitamin D have stomach absorption issues. Was there a

loading phase not mentioned?)

>  

> Butteroil is far higher in quinones. It has certain nutritional properties

fermented codliver oil doesn't have. I also has a different set of quinones from

converting grass to nutrients in cows fermented codliver oil doesn't have.

>  

> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted from

cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on time.

Not too sure if this is true or not.

>  

> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

>  

> RDI:

>  

> d / 400

> a / 5000

>  

> Fermented Codliver Oil:

>  

> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

> d / 760IU

> a / 3,750IU

>  

> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

> d / 3,800IU

> a / 18,750IU

>  

> Dan

>

>

[Guest guest]

What are quinones?

Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

>

>2ml is 2/5th of a teaspoon not 4/5th of a teaspoon.

>

>

>>

>> http://www.greenpasture.org/community/?q=node/219 (D2 and D3 of fclo, D2

being good too.)

>>  

>> http://www.greenpasture.org/community/?q=node/140 (here it is suggested

people only need 3ml a day of fclo with 2.5ml a day of butter oil, mentions

people who don't store high levels of vitamin D have stomach absorption issues.

Was there a loading phase not mentioned?)

>>  

>> Butteroil is far higher in quinones. It has certain nutritional properties

fermented codliver oil doesn't have. I also has a different set of quinones from

converting grass to nutrients in cows fermented codliver oil doesn't have.

>>  

>> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted from

cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on time.

Not too sure if this is true or not.

>>  

>> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

>>  

>> RDI:

>>  

>> d / 400

>> a / 5000

>>  

>> Fermented Codliver Oil:

>>  

>> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

>> d / 760IU

>> a / 3,750IU

>>  

>> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

>> d / 3,800IU

>> a / 18,750IU

>>  

>> Dan

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Wetzel and Masterjohn would both have a better understanding of what

quinones are than I do. What I do know is that quinones are connected to the K1

and K2 set of vitamins. phylloquinone. From the sounds of it the types of

quinones contained in raw dairy are different than say codliver or natto. CoQ10

is a quinone too.

 

Dan Holt

From: Parashis <artpages@...>

Subject: Re: Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 11:49 AM

 

What are quinones?

Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

>

>2ml is 2/5th of a teaspoon not 4/5th of a teaspoon.

>

>--- In , Holt <danthemanholt@ ...>

wrote:

>>

>> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/219 (D2 and D3 of fclo, D2

being good too.)

>>  

>> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/140 (here it is suggested

people only need 3ml a day of fclo with 2.5ml a day of butter oil, mentions

people who don't store high levels of vitamin D have stomach absorption issues.

Was there a loading phase not mentioned?)

>>  

>> Butteroil is far higher in quinones. It has certain nutritional properties

fermented codliver oil doesn't have. I also has a different set of quinones from

converting grass to nutrients in cows fermented codliver oil doesn't have.

>>  

>> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted from

cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on time.

Not too sure if this is true or not.

>>  

>> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

>>  

>> RDI:

>>  

>> d / 400

>> a / 5000

>>  

>> Fermented Codliver Oil:

>>  

>> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

>> d / 760IU

>> a / 3,750IU

>>  

>> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

>> d / 3,800IU

>> a / 18,750IU

>>  

>> Dan

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing. I wish I could edit my posts. That error is an eye sore.

 

Dan Holt

From: carolyn_graff <zgraff@...>

Subject: Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 8:45 AM

 

2ml is 2/5th of a teaspoon not 4/5th of a teaspoon.

--- In , Holt <danthemanholt@ ...>

wrote:

>

> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/219 (D2 and D3 of fclo, D2

being good too.)

>  

> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/140 (here it is suggested

people only need 3ml a day of fclo with 2.5ml a day of butter oil, mentions

people who don't store high levels of vitamin D have stomach absorption issues.

Was there a loading phase not mentioned?)

>  

> Butteroil is far higher in quinones. It has certain nutritional properties

fermented codliver oil doesn't have. I also has a different set of quinones from

converting grass to nutrients in cows fermented codliver oil doesn't have.

>  

> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted from

cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on time.

Not too sure if this is true or not.

>  

> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

>  

> RDI:

>  

> d / 400

> a / 5000

>  

> Fermented Codliver Oil:

>  

> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

> d / 760IU

> a / 3,750IU

>  

> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

> d / 3,800IU

> a / 18,750IU

>  

> Dan

>

>

[Guest guest]

According to Dave in the second article I posted below that daily intake had

brought people up to the 60-80s.

 

Did you read that part? Obviously that has to do with how much loaded in the

body.

 

Thanks,

Dan

From: paulsonntagericson <paulsonntagericson@...>

Subject: Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 7:37 PM

 

The flaw in this study is that it measured 25-hydroxyvitamin D status and not

25(OH)D status. The difference is critical. 25-hydroxyvitamin D is the most

tightly regulated form of vitamin D and only represents " daily " requirements.

25(OH)D on the other hand measures a less regulated form of vitamin D and

represents storage amounts of vitamin D.

To test D2 vs D3, you have to test 25(OH)D levels. This type of study has been

done many times in the past and has conclusively shown that D3 is superior to

D2. These studies are what has motivated a massive shift in the vitamin D

supplementation business from D2 to D3. And keep in mind that D3 is hard and

thus more expensive to make than D2.

Cheers,

--- In , Holt <danthemanholt@ ...>

wrote:

>

> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/219 (D2 and D3 of fclo, D2

being good too.)

>  

> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/140 (here it is suggested

people only need 3ml a day of fclo with 2.5ml a day of butter oil, mentions

people who don't store high levels of vitamin D have stomach absorption issues.

Was there a loading phase not mentioned?)

>  

> Butteroil is far higher in quinones. It has certain nutritional properties

fermented codliver oil doesn't have. I also has a different set of quinones from

converting grass to nutrients in cows fermented codliver oil doesn't have.

>  

> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted from

cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on time.

Not too sure if this is true or not.

>  

> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

>  

> RDI:

>  

> d / 400

> a / 5000

>  

> Fermented Codliver Oil:

>  

> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

> d / 760IU

> a / 3,750IU

>  

> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

> d / 3,800IU

> a / 18,750IU

>  

> Dan

>

>

[Guest guest]

In this context quinones refers primarily to vitamin K2, although there are

others. It is believed that Activator X is in fact vitamin K2, and thus a

quinone. Natural food products like raw butter oil and raw cod liver oil contain

many types of quinones.

> >>

> >> http://www.greenpasture.org/community/?q=node/219 (D2 and D3 of fclo, D2

being good too.)

> >>  

> >> http://www.greenpasture.org/community/?q=node/140 (here it is suggested

people only need 3ml a day of fclo with 2.5ml a day of butter oil, mentions

people who don't store high levels of vitamin D have stomach absorption issues.

Was there a loading phase not mentioned?)

> >>  

> >> Butteroil is far higher in quinones. It has certain nutritional properties

fermented codliver oil doesn't have. I also has a different set of quinones from

converting grass to nutrients in cows fermented codliver oil doesn't have.

> >>  

> >> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted

from cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on

time. Not too sure if this is true or not.

> >>  

> >> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

> >>  

> >> RDI:

> >>  

> >> d / 400

> >> a / 5000

> >>  

> >> Fermented Codliver Oil:

> >>  

> >> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

> >> d / 760IU

> >> a / 3,750IU

> >>  

> >> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

> >> d / 3,800IU

> >> a / 18,750IU

> >>  

> >> Dan

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

The label on the unflavored, raw fermented CLO says it has:

75% DV vitamin A

190% DV vitamin D

According to the FDA, the DV for A & D are:

100% DV vitamin A 5000

100% DV vitmian D 400

Thus:

2ml 1ml

75% DV A 3750 1875

190% DV D 760 380

And,

Tsp mls A D

¼ tsp 1.232230400 2310 468

½ tsp 2.464460800 4621 936

1 tsp 4.928921600 9242 1873

Keep in mind that 75% and 190% are only estimates since it's nearly impossible

to come up with accurate numbers. The reason is that GPs products are all

natural and contain many forms of both vitamin A and D. If you take their CLO to

a lab and ask to test the vitamin A/D levels the results will come back as

curves rather than spikes. It then becomes a subjective exercise to arbitrarily

pick cut-off spots on the curve one side is vitamin A, the other side is not.

For contrast, if you take vitamin D3 drops or retinol palamate liquid capsules

to a lab and test them, you will get a clean graph with a pronounced spike on

one molecule. The reason is that in both cases these synthetic vitamins are made

in a factory where they are mass producing the exact same form of these vitamins

(or the same molecule)

This situation clearly illustrates the weakness of reductionist science.

Cheers,

Cheers,

>

> http://www.greenpasture.org/community/?q=node/219 (D2 and D3 of fclo, D2 being

good too.)

>  

> http://www.greenpasture.org/community/?q=node/140 (here it is suggested people

only need 3ml a day of fclo with 2.5ml a day of butter oil, mentions people who

don't store high levels of vitamin D have stomach absorption issues. Was there a

loading phase not mentioned?)

>  

> Butteroil is far higher in quinones. It has certain nutritional properties

fermented codliver oil doesn't have. I also has a different set of quinones from

converting grass to nutrients in cows fermented codliver oil doesn't have.

>  

> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted from

cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on time.

Not too sure if this is true or not.

>  

> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

>  

> RDI:

>  

> d / 400

> a / 5000

>  

> Fermented Codliver Oil:

>  

> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

> d / 760IU

> a / 3,750IU

>  

> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

> d / 3,800IU

> a / 18,750IU

>  

> Dan

>

>

[Guest guest]

both butter oil and codliver oil contain k2. It's the difference in the other

quinones present that make these two work well together. Otherwise all you'd

need is the fermented codliver oil. Maybe it's the hormones that are converted

from the grass into the dairy. Can't say. Wetzel would know more about

that.

 

Fermented codliver oil is far richer in k2 than regular codliver oil.

 

Dan Holt

From: paulsonntagericson <paulsonntagericson@...>

Subject: Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 11:18 AM

 

In this context quinones refers primarily to vitamin K2, although there are

others. It is believed that Activator X is in fact vitamin K2, and thus a

quinone. Natural food products like raw butter oil and raw cod liver oil contain

many types of quinones.

--- In , Parashis <artpages@.. .>

wrote:

>

> What are quinones?

>

>

> Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

> >

> >2ml is 2/5th of a teaspoon not 4/5th of a teaspoon.

> >

> >--- In , Holt <danthemanholt@ >

wrote:

> >>

> >> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/219 (D2 and D3 of fclo,

D2 being good too.)

> >>  

> >> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/140 (here it is

suggested people only need 3ml a day of fclo with 2.5ml a day of butter oil,

mentions people who don't store high levels of vitamin D have stomach absorption

issues. Was there a loading phase not mentioned?)

> >>  

> >> Butteroil is far higher in quinones. It has certain nutritional properties

fermented codliver oil doesn't have. I also has a different set of quinones from

converting grass to nutrients in cows fermented codliver oil doesn't have.

> >>  

> >> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted

from cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on

time. Not too sure if this is true or not.

> >>  

> >> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

> >>  

> >> RDI:

> >>  

> >> d / 400

> >> a / 5000

> >>  

> >> Fermented Codliver Oil:

> >>  

> >> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

> >> d / 760IU

> >> a / 3,750IU

> >>  

> >> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

> >> d / 3,800IU

> >> a / 18,750IU

> >>  

> >> Dan

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

There's a lot of normal foods higher in k2 so I wonder why weston a price likes

to use the butter oil. I'm guessing it has other properties in it...eggs for

example.

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/On-the-Trail-of-the-Elusive-X-Factor-A-Sixty-Two-Yea\

r-Old-Mystery-Finally-Solved.html#fig4

 

Dan Holt

From: paulsonntagericson <paulsonntagericson@ .ca>

Subject: Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 11:18 AM

 

In this context quinones refers primarily to vitamin K2, although there are

others. It is believed that Activator X is in fact vitamin K2, and thus a

quinone. Natural food products like raw butter oil and raw cod liver oil contain

many types of quinones.

--- In , Parashis <artpages@.. .>

wrote:

>

> What are quinones?

>

>

> Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

> >

> >2ml is 2/5th of a teaspoon not 4/5th of a teaspoon.

> >

> >--- In , Holt <danthemanholt@ >

wrote:

> >>

> >> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/219 (D2 and D3 of fclo,

D2 being good too.)

> >>  

> >> http://www.greenpas ture.org/ community/ ?q=node/140 (here it is

suggested people only need 3ml a day of fclo with 2.5ml a day of butter oil,

mentions people who don't store high levels of vitamin D have stomach absorption

issues. Was there a loading phase not mentioned?)

> >>  

> >> Butteroil is far higher in quinones. It has certain nutritional properties

fermented codliver oil doesn't have. I also has a different set of quinones from

converting grass to nutrients in cows fermented codliver oil doesn't have.

> >>  

> >> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted

from cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on

time. Not too sure if this is true or not.

> >>  

> >> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

> >>  

> >> RDI:

> >>  

> >> d / 400

> >> a / 5000

> >>  

> >> Fermented Codliver Oil:

> >>  

> >> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

> >> d / 760IU

> >> a / 3,750IU

> >>  

> >> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

> >> d / 3,800IU

> >> a / 18,750IU

> >>  

> >> Dan

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for answering what is quinones.

I have another question: I don't understand this paragraph. Do you mean A & D

are taken out of cow butter? Why?

Also how can 3/5 amount jump to numbers that don't correlate with a little more

than twice as much?

Were those your questions too?

>> >> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted

from cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on

time. Not too sure if this is true or not.

>> >>  

>> >> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

>> >>  

>> >> RDI:

>> >>  

>> >> d / 400

>> >> a / 5000

>> >>  

>> >> Fermented Codliver Oil:

>> >>  

>> >> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

>> >> d / 760IU

>> >> a / 3,750IU

>> >>  

>> >> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

>> >> d / 3,800IU

>> >> a / 18,750IU

>> >>  

>> >> Dan

[Guest guest]

yeah, it's 2/5th of a teaspn, not 4/5ths as I listed it. Minor error. I must

have looked at some faulty information because cow butter isn't that high in

vitamins a and d. However, unless I literally heard wrong Wetzel told me 2

years ago one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of dairy cream.

Depending what portion they extracted of the cream will affect the percentage of

vitamins a and d contained in it.

Thank you,

Dan Holt

From: Parashis <artpages@...>

Subject: Re: Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 4:38 AM

 

Thanks for answering what is quinones.

I have another question: I don't understand this paragraph. Do you mean A & D

are taken out of cow butter? Why?

Also how can 3/5 amount jump to numbers that don't correlate with a little more

than twice as much?

Were those your questions too?

>> >> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is extracted

from cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins a and d.

said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of cream on

time. Not too sure if this is true or not.

>> >>  

>> >> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

>> >>  

>> >> RDI:

>> >>  

>> >> d / 400

>> >> a / 5000

>> >>  

>> >> Fermented Codliver Oil:

>> >>  

>> >> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

>> >> d / 760IU

>> >> a / 3,750IU

>> >>  

>> >> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

>> >> d / 3,800IU

>> >> a / 18,750IU

>> >>  

>> >> Dan

[Guest guest]

I just browsed through my older e-mails. did say it will be another 20

years before the particulars of quinones are revealed.

Wetzel: We have measured the quinone count in the past. 23-25mg/g for the

butter oil.

Fermented cod liver oil has 8mg of quinones per a gram.

He also had the above quinone amounts posted on the site but has recently taken

them down and put other posts in it's place. Couldn't find it in archives

either.

Can't find the e-mail where he gave details on particular quinone names. These

names aren't mentioned anywhere in the WAPF community.

Thanks,

Dan Holt

>

> From: Parashis <artpages@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes from

greenpastures.

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> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 4:38 AM

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are taken out of cow butter? Why?

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more than twice as much?

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> >> >> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is

extracted from cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins

a and d. said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of

cream on time. Not too sure if this is true or not.

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> >> >> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

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> >> >> d / 760IU

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> >> >> a / 3,750IU

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[Guest guest]

you can search here in the WAPF chapter leaders group for some posts by Dave

about FCLO

http://onibasu.com/

> >

> > From: Parashis <artpages@>

> > Subject: Re: Re: fermented codliver oil and butter oil intake notes

from greenpastures.

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D are taken out of cow butter? Why?

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more than twice as much?

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> > >> >> They label butter oil as having no vitamin a or d but this is

extracted from cow butter. Dairy from pastured grassfed cows is high in vitamins

a and d. said one bottle of butter oil is an extraction of 8 gallons of

cream on time. Not too sure if this is true or not.

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> > >> >> Does anybody have anything to say about this?

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> > >> >>  

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> > >> >> RDI:

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> > >> >>  

> >

> > >> >> d / 400

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> > >> >> a / 5000

> >

> > >> >>  

> >

> > >> >> Fermented Codliver Oil:

> >

> > >> >>  

> >

> > >> >> 2ml (4/5th of a teaspoon)

> >

> > >> >> d / 760IU

> >

> > >> >> a / 3,750IU

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> > >> >>  

> >

> > >> >> 10ml (2 teaspoon)

> >

> > >> >> d / 3,800IU

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> > >> >> a / 18,750IU

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