Re: Some clues to my sluggishness?

[Guest guest]

how do you feel after a breakfast of eggs (and bacon/sausage)? some people don't

do well on grains of any kind. you might also try the GAPS diet.

--- In , " gayle12345678 " <basicliving@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello

>

> I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I have been a Fallon

follower for about four years. It has been in the last nine months, that I have

been feeling sluggish, where my blood feels like it is running slow. I have had

my blood pressure checked, cholestrol checked, blood sugar checked, iron levels

checked, thyroid checked, and all is fine. I am only about 20 lbs overweight so

nothing dramatic. In the last month I have needed to sleep lots, sleep during

the day because I am so exhausted. My doctor wondered if I could be entering

menopause, which could be as I do have some of the symptoms. I am very aware of

what I eat and that I have to feed my body on about 6 small meals a day. But the

thing that puzzles me is that after a good breakfast of oatmeal porridge with

raisins, and kefir milk, that I still feel sluggish. Then I can take an advil,

and an hour later, my sluggishness disappears (my blood feels like it is moving

again), and I have a a decent amount of energy. In fact whenever I feel

sluggish, and can't take it anymore (not just after eating), I take an advil,

and I feel so much better. It almost feels like I have low blood circulation.

But why would an advil solve my energy problem? And how can I reduce my reliance

on advil? What could be going on?

>

> Gayle

>

[Guest guest]

I get sluggish and tired on any carbs I eat even sprouted grain but usually

feel pretty good on proteins and lots of fat.

Allyn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of carolyn_graff

Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 10:35 AM

Subject: Re: Some clues to my sluggishness?

how do you feel after a breakfast of eggs (and bacon/sausage)? some people

don't do well on grains of any kind. you might also try the GAPS diet.

>

> Hello

>

> I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I have been a

Fallon follower for about four years. It has been in the last nine months,

that I have been feeling sluggish, where my blood feels like it is running

slow. I have had my blood pressure checked, cholestrol checked, blood sugar

checked, iron levels checked, thyroid checked, and all is fine. I am only

about 20 lbs overweight so nothing dramatic. In the last month I have needed

to sleep lots, sleep during the day because I am so exhausted. My doctor

wondered if I could be entering menopause, which could be as I do have some

of the symptoms. I am very aware of what I eat and that I have to feed my

body on about 6 small meals a day. But the thing that puzzles me is that

after a good breakfast of oatmeal porridge with raisins, and kefir milk,

that I still feel sluggish. Then I can take an advil, and an hour later, my

sluggishness disappears (my blood feels like it is moving again), and I have

a a decent amount of energy. In fact whenever I feel sluggish, and can't

take it anymore (not just after eating), I take an advil, and I feel so much

better. It almost feels like I have low blood circulation. But why would an

advil solve my energy problem? And how can I reduce my reliance on advil?

What could be going on?

>

> Gayle

>

[Guest guest]

Advil thins out the blood so it also speeds up your blood flow. It may also have

regressive effects like Tylenol such as decreases your natural glutathione

production, which then speeds up your body's aging to unhealthy levels. While

Advil may work in the short term it may make the problem worse in the long term.

Here's a couple suggestions from me anyways...

 

You may want to read Aajonus Vonderplanitz  " The Recipe for Living Without

Disease " and prepare the veggie blend he recommends in his daily eating plan

section. The chlorophyll and the minerals in this formula help the body recover

from being overly acid. Being overly acidic affects people most in the morning

when they're trying to get up and lasts for a few hours. Instead of juicing the

veggies you can just eat the recommended quantities raw and whole. Here's

another source for the recipe:

 

http://rawpaleodiet.vpinf.com/juicing-basic-1.html

 

You want 3-5g of potassium a day along with other minerals:

 

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/what_is_in_raw_milk.html

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3106/2

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3115/2

 

1.5-2.5g of calcium, and .5-1.5g of magnesium a day

 

So have more raw milk than you're having, have some eggs daily too. Buy whole

coconuts, eat the meat and drink it's water. Or blend it into coconut milk.

 

Make stock based bone broth and have it daily as it's also a rich source of

minerals.

 

Milk Thistle is a good alternative to advil and works to boost your health in

the long run:

 

http://www.drrons.com/milk-thistle-for-liver-health.htm

 

If you're having coffee it may be better to have green tea instead.

 

You're still not getting in enough magnesium if you follow these

recommendations. Here's a good source of magnesium:

 

http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/magnesium-oil-64-oz-p-1124.html

 

You may also want to have fermented codliver oil as it contains the levels of

vitamins A and D you need in a day to help with the assimilation of minerals.

Have a half tspn a day:

 

http://www.greenpasture.org/retail/?t=products & a=line & i=fermented-cod-liver-oil

 

This would also help as it's high in minerals, milk thistle, and other nutrients

but if you do this other stuff you may find this unnecessary:

 

http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/iridesca-250g-p-619.html?tab=benefits

Danny Holt

From: gayle12345678 <basicliving@...>

Subject: Some clues to my sluggishness?

Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 7:25 PM

 

Hello

I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I have been a Fallon

follower for about four years. It has been in the last nine months, that I have

been feeling sluggish, where my blood feels like it is running slow. I have had

my blood pressure checked, cholestrol checked, blood sugar checked, iron levels

checked, thyroid checked, and all is fine. I am only about 20 lbs overweight so

nothing dramatic. In the last month I have needed to sleep lots, sleep during

the day because I am so exhausted. My doctor wondered if I could be entering

menopause, which could be as I do have some of the symptoms. I am very aware of

what I eat and that I have to feed my body on about 6 small meals a day. But the

thing that puzzles me is that after a good breakfast of oatmeal porridge with

raisins, and kefir milk, that I still feel sluggish. Then I can take an advil,

and an hour later, my sluggishness disappears (my blood feels like it is moving

again), and I

have a a decent amount of energy. In fact whenever I feel sluggish, and can't

take it anymore (not just after eating), I take an advil, and I feel so much

better. It almost feels like I have low blood circulation. But why would an

advil solve my energy problem? And how can I reduce my reliance on advil? What

could be going on?

Gayle

[Guest guest]

Gayle,

Okay. I think we need to know a lot more about what you eat and don't eat, as

well as other factors like stress level. However, a few things to consider:

-You may have a gluten sensitivity, or some other food sensitivity. Is your

excess weight mostly at your belly? If so, it may be that your gut is extremely

inflamed and/or " leaky " and this inflammation is exhausting your adrenal glands

(which will further cause belly fat). Have you ever tried an

Elimination/Provocation diet?

-You have adrenal fatigue caused by something else (toxins, too much stress?),

which will cause the thyroid and general metabolism to slow down, but there's

nothing actually wrong with your thyroid gland itself. You could call it " type

2 " hypothyroidism. When you take a blood thinner such as advil, your hormones

(like thyroid hormones) are transported around your body much faster, making you

feel more normal for a while. Adrenal fatigue will also create an overall

hormonal imbalance, which is why you have premenopausal symptoms.

-You need to eat more protein with EVERY meal.

So a few more questions for you. What is your age? What foods comprise the bulk

of your diet? What foods do you avoid regularly? Do you eat fatty fish like wild

salmon and how often? How much omega-6 & omega-3 is in your diet? How is your

digestion? Do you exercise - and how much/what kind? What would happen if you

ate 3-4 much larger, balanced meals per day? Have you been exposed to an

abnormal amount of toxins? What is your profession? What supplements do you

take?

A couple books to help you come to mind. There are others that I can't think of

right now.

" Adrenal Fatigue " by

" The Schwarzbein Principle II: The Transition " by Schwarzbein

" Feeling Fat, Fuzzy & Frazzled " by & Karilee Shames

>

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I have been a

Fallon follower for about four years. It has been in the last nine months, that

I have been feeling sluggish, where my blood feels like it is running slow. I

have had my blood pressure checked, cholestrol checked, blood sugar checked,

iron levels checked, thyroid checked, and all is fine. I am only about 20 lbs

overweight so nothing dramatic. In the last month I have needed to sleep lots,

sleep during the day because I am so exhausted. My doctor wondered if I could be

entering menopause, which could be as I do have some of the symptoms. I am very

aware of what I eat and that I have to feed my body on about 6 small meals a

day. But the thing that puzzles me is that after a good breakfast of oatmeal

porridge with raisins, and kefir milk, that I still feel sluggish. Then I can

take an advil, and an hour later, my sluggishness disappears (my blood feels

like it is moving again), and I have a a decent amount of energy. In fact

whenever I feel sluggish, and can't take it anymore (not just after eating), I

take an advil, and I feel so much better. It almost feels like I have low blood

circulation. But why would an advil solve my energy problem? And how can I

reduce my reliance on advil? What could be going on?

> >

> > Gayle

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Carolyn

Maybe it is the grains. Today, I had two poached eggs on one piece of rye toast.

It is really hard to get away from toast. I have a bit more energy. I shall have

to try this for a couple weeks, without the bread. See what happens. The GAPS

diet sounds like a take-off of the Fallon lifestyle. I already eat most of those

foods already.

Gayle

" carolyn_graff " <zgraff@...> wrote:

>

> how do you feel after a breakfast of eggs (and bacon/sausage)? some people

don't do well on grains of any kind. you might also try the GAPS diet.

[Guest guest]

Hello Allyn

I don't eat simple carbs, but I do eat complex carbs such as vegetables and

whole grain breads, and rice. Perhaps it is the grains.

Gayle

" ALLYN FERRIS " <aferris7272@...> wrote:

>

> I get sluggish and tired on any carbs I eat even sprouted grain but usually

> feel pretty good on proteins and lots of fat.

>

> Allyn

[Guest guest]

Hello

I wondered if the advil thinned the blood. I have tried Vitamin E recommendation

from that post earlier in the messages under " The Prime Cause and Prevention of

Cancer " . That seems to help my exhaustion a bit, reducing my body's need for

oxygen.

I often crave vegetables and do eat raw most of the time.

We grow fresh farm eggs ... I think I need to get back to eating them daily. I

eat lots of home-grown meat, drink lots of water, should pull out more broth

which I have lots of, drink coffee once a week, take 1 teaspoon of codliver oil

per day (never heard of fermented) ... used to take up to 1 Tablespoon but then

I got greasy hair. I have a 1/2 coconot in the fridge ... don't eat that very

often. Used to drink raw milk but not in the last three years.

I wonder about the magnesium and milk thistle, which I will check into. Thanks

!

Gayle

Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:

>

> Advil thins out the blood so it also speeds up your blood flow. It may also

have regressive effects like Tylenol such as decreases your natural glutathione

production, which then speeds up your body's aging to unhealthy levels. While

Advil may work in the short term it may make the problem worse in the long term.

>

> Here's a couple suggestions from me anyways...

>  

> You may want to read Aajonus Vonderplanitz  " The Recipe for Living Without

Disease " and prepare the veggie blend he recommends in his daily eating plan

section. The chlorophyll and the minerals in this formula help the body recover

from being overly acid. Being overly acidic affects people most in the morning

when they're trying to get up and lasts for a few hours. Instead of juicing the

veggies you can just eat the recommended quantities raw and whole. Here's

another source for the recipe:

>  

> http://rawpaleodiet.vpinf.com/juicing-basic-1.html

>  

> You want 3-5g of potassium a day along with other minerals:

>  

> http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/what_is_in_raw_milk.html

> http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3106/2

> http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3115/2

>  

> 1.5-2.5g of calcium, and .5-1.5g of magnesium a day

>  

> So have more raw milk than you're having, have some eggs daily too. Buy whole

coconuts, eat the meat and drink it's water. Or blend it into coconut milk.

>  

> Make stock based bone broth and have it daily as it's also a rich source of

minerals.

>  

> Milk Thistle is a good alternative to advil and works to boost your health in

the long run:

>  

> http://www.drrons.com/milk-thistle-for-liver-health.htm

>  

> If you're having coffee it may be better to have green tea instead.

>  

> You're still not getting in enough magnesium if you follow these

recommendations. Here's a good source of magnesium:

>  

> http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/magnesium-oil-64-oz-p-1124.html

>  

> You may also want to have fermented codliver oil as it contains the levels of

vitamins A and D you need in a day to help with the assimilation of minerals.

Have a half tspn a day:

>  

>

http://www.greenpasture.org/retail/?t=products & a=line & i=fermented-cod-liver-oil

>  

> This would also help as it's high in minerals, milk thistle, and other

nutrients but if you do this other stuff you may find this unnecessary:

>  

> http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/iridesca-250g-p-619.html?tab=benefits

>

> Danny Holt

[Guest guest]

Try making a gallon or so a week of bone broth. Have 5 oz with every solid meal.

 

Drink more raw milk, 1 to 2 quarts a day. Very high in minerals you need.

 

I put a link for fermented codliver oil in the previous message. With that stuff

you only need a half tspn.

 

Have a 4th to a half a coconut a day. It's a great source of potassium. The

water from one coconut contains 500mg of potassium too.

 

Danny Holt

>

> Advil thins out the blood so it also speeds up your blood flow. It may also

have regressive effects like Tylenol such as decreases your natural glutathione

production, which then speeds up your body's aging to unhealthy levels. While

Advil may work in the short term it may make the problem worse in the long term.

>

> Here's a couple suggestions from me anyways...

>  

> You may want to read Aajonus Vonderplanitz  " The Recipe for Living Without

Disease " and prepare the veggie blend he recommends in his daily eating plan

section. The chlorophyll and the minerals in this formula help the body

recover from being overly acid. Being overly acidic affects people most in the

morning when they're trying to get up and lasts for a few hours. Instead of

juicing the veggies you can just eat the recommended quantities raw and whole.

Here's another source for the recipe:

>  

> http://rawpaleodiet.vpinf.com/juicing-basic-1.html

>  

> You want 3-5g of potassium a day along with other minerals:

>  

> http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/what_is_in_raw_milk.html

> http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3106/2

> http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3115/2

>  

> 1.5-2.5g of calcium, and .5-1.5g of magnesium a day

>  

> So have more raw milk than you're having, have some eggs daily too. Buy whole

coconuts, eat the meat and drink it's water. Or blend it into coconut milk.

>  

> Make stock based bone broth and have it daily as it's also a rich source of

minerals.

>  

> Milk Thistle is a good alternative to advil and works to boost your health in

the long run:

>  

> http://www.drrons.com/milk-thistle-for-liver-health.htm

>  

> If you're having coffee it may be better to have green tea instead.

>  

> You're still not getting in enough magnesium if you follow these

recommendations. Here's a good source of magnesium:

>  

> http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/magnesium-oil-64-oz-p-1124.html

>  

> You may also want to have fermented codliver oil as it contains the levels of

vitamins A and D you need in a day to help with the assimilation of minerals.

Have a half tspn a day:

>  

>

http://www.greenpasture.org/retail/?t=products & a=line & i=fermented-cod-liver-oil

>  

> This would also help as it's high in minerals, milk thistle, and other

nutrients but if you do this other stuff you may find this unnecessary:

>  

> http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/iridesca-250g-p-619.html?tab=benefits

>

> Danny Holt

[Guest guest]

It is for me and like I said even the sprouted grains put me right to sleep. I

don't know why and sometimes wonder if it's harder to digest grains eaten with

proteins.

Allyn

Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2010, at 1:28 PM, " gayle12345678 " <basicliving@...> wrote:

Hello Allyn

I don't eat simple carbs, but I do eat complex carbs such as vegetables and

whole grain breads, and rice. Perhaps it is the grains.

Gayle

" ALLYN FERRIS " <aferris7272@...> wrote:

>

> I get sluggish and tired on any carbs I eat even sprouted grain but usually

> feel pretty good on proteins and lots of fat.

>

> Allyn

[Guest guest]

I find 2-5 grams of vitamin C reduces my sluggishness when I feel that way. It

works by detoxing but also acting as a catalyst for a lot of enzyme reactions.

I've read that when your body decides it's time to get rid of stored toxins you

feel fatigue. It would be nice if that is all it was that is happening to you.

--- In , " gayle12345678 " <basicliving@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello

>

> I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I have been a Fallon

follower for about four years. It has been in the last nine months, that I have

been feeling sluggish, where my blood feels like it is running slow. I have had

my blood pressure checked, cholestrol checked, blood sugar checked, iron levels

checked, thyroid checked, and all is fine. I am only about 20 lbs overweight so

nothing dramatic. In the last month I have needed to sleep lots, sleep during

the day because I am so exhausted. My doctor wondered if I could be entering

menopause, which could be as I do have some of the symptoms. I am very aware of

what I eat and that I have to feed my body on about 6 small meals a day. But the

thing that puzzles me is that after a good breakfast of oatmeal porridge with

raisins, and kefir milk, that I still feel sluggish. Then I can take an advil,

and an hour later, my sluggishness disappears (my blood feels like it is moving

again), and I have a a decent amount of energy. In fact whenever I feel

sluggish, and can't take it anymore (not just after eating), I take an advil,

and I feel so much better. It almost feels like I have low blood circulation.

But why would an advil solve my energy problem? And how can I reduce my reliance

on advil? What could be going on?

>

> Gayle

>

[Guest guest]

Hello

I thought I covered what I eat and don't eat when I said I was a Fallon

follower. Sally Fallon wrote Nourishing Traditions, which I have been on for the

last 4, no 6 years.

My excess weight is distributed evenly throughout my body, on my back, thighs,

bum and belly. I do not have a excess belly weight as my belly is not rounded

and I can easily sleep on my stomach.

I have never tried an Elimination/Provocation Diet.

I eat protein for lunch and dinner/supper. The only time I didn't eat protein

was at breakfast but I have changed that in the last two days, eating eggs for

breakfast. This morning no toast.

Perhaps it is adrenal fatigue. My general tiredness has been for about 9 months.

My excess tiredness started on Monday May 3rd, like a switch. Sunday was an

excellent day, I got so much done. Then after my morning crunches and

weightlifting on Monday, wham, I was exhausted. Stress, well going back, the

second and third week of April was really stressful with kids' activities. The

fourth week, I was finally back doing what I love ... working the stock market.

It was a great week, I loved what I was doing. Market was good. I did let

exercise and eating in a timely matter fall by the wayside during the month of

April. Then Monday rolled around after my crunches and weightlifting, I was so

tired. The stock market did start to dive on Monday, May 3rd, but I sold a

couple of major stocks, it was suddenly so hard to think, as I was so tired. So

maybe it is adrenal fatigue. But how can fatigue come from something a person

loves to do. But I don't get the migraines that is supposed to come with adrenal

fatigue. I was so tired, and not hungry at all.

I don't eat fatty fish. I have cod liver oil as I said before, also Vitamin C,

Vitamin D, and Vitamin B 50 Complex. My digestion is very good. My age is 49. I

haven't been exposed to toxins as I work for home in a very controlled

environment.

I have ordered the three books that you recommended . And , I popped

my first magnesium and milk thistle.

Gayle

[Guest guest]

Hi Haecklers

I already take 1 g of Vitamin C a day. Maybe I should bump that up...

Gayle

>

> I find 2-5 grams of vitamin C reduces my sluggishness when I feel that way.

It works by detoxing but also acting as a catalyst for a lot of enzyme

reactions.

>

> I've read that when your body decides it's time to get rid of stored toxins

you feel fatigue. It would be nice if that is all it was that is happening to

you.

[Guest guest]

Hi Gayle,

I think there are several misconceptions in this message:

You said: how can fatigue come from something a person loves to do

Adrenal Fatigue really has nothing to do with what you are doing, whether

you like it or not. It is an endocrine system issue. The adrenals are like

hormone central in the body, and they don't usually go down alone, they take

the other glands with them, especially the thyroid. Adrenal fatigue is

related to how the adrenal glands are functioning.

You said: But I don't get the migraines that is supposed to come with

adrenal fatigue.

I was in stage 3 of 4, of adrenal fatigue and have never had a migraine in

my life.

You said: I do not have a excess belly weight as my belly is not rounded and

I can easily sleep on my stomach

Rounded belly and the ability to sleep on your stomach are unrelated to IR.

A waist measurement over 35 inches is indicative of IR. Chromium GTF is a

great supplement if you think you are IR. My excess weight is evenly

distributed and I sleep on my stomach, but my waist is over 35 inches.

I eat according to NT, also, but avoid grains because I just don't do well

on them, even when I prepare them properly. Many people wouldn't call that

NT-style eating. I try to eat some lacto-fermented food at every meal,

consume raw milk and dairy made from raw milk, including cheese, yogurt,

kefir, and cream cheese, eat only grass-fed meat at home, and rarely eat

out.

To come back from the brink of adrenal failure, I used some Standard Process

products: Drenatrophin, Drenamin, and Thyrotrophin. Every single alternative

health care professional has been surprised that I tested for Drenatrophin

and Drenamin because they are both for the adrenals, but I need them both. I

think the single thing that made the biggest difference for me was a product

by Nature's Sunshine called Mineral Chi Tonic. I was very skeptical when

this product was suggested to me because of the name, but when I read the

ingredient list to my acupuncturist friend, she said those are all adrenal

supporting herbs. Before 30 days were up, I noticed a difference!

Kathy

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of gayle12345678

Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: Some clues to my sluggishness?

Hello

I thought I covered what I eat and don't eat when I said I was a Fallon

follower. Sally Fallon wrote Nourishing Traditions, which I have been on for

the last 4, no 6 years.

My excess weight is distributed evenly throughout my body, on my back,

thighs, bum and belly. I do not have a excess belly weight as my belly is

not rounded and I can easily sleep on my stomach.

I have never tried an Elimination/Provocation Diet.

I eat protein for lunch and dinner/supper. The only time I didn't eat

protein was at breakfast but I have changed that in the last two days,

eating eggs for breakfast. This morning no toast.

Perhaps it is adrenal fatigue. My general tiredness has been for about 9

months. My excess tiredness started on Monday May 3rd, like a switch. Sunday

was an excellent day, I got so much done. Then after my morning crunches and

weightlifting on Monday, wham, I was exhausted. Stress, well going back, the

second and third week of April was really stressful with kids' activities.

The fourth week, I was finally back doing what I love ... working the stock

market. It was a great week, I loved what I was doing. Market was good. I

did let exercise and eating in a timely matter fall by the wayside during

the month of April. Then Monday rolled around after my crunches and

weightlifting, I was so tired. The stock market did start to dive on Monday,

May 3rd, but I sold a couple of major stocks, it was suddenly so hard to

think, as I was so tired. So maybe it is adrenal fatigue. But how can

fatigue come from something a person loves to do. But I don't get the

migraines that is supposed to come with adrenal fatigue. I was so tired, and

not hungry at all.

I don't eat fatty fish. I have cod liver oil as I said before, also Vitamin

C, Vitamin D, and Vitamin B 50 Complex. My digestion is very good. My age is

49. I haven't been exposed to toxins as I work for home in a very controlled

environment.

I have ordered the three books that you recommended . And , I

popped my first magnesium and milk thistle.

Gayle

[Guest guest]

You may also want to consider eating more fish daily. Fish is full of omega 3s

which may help with sluggishness. Eat fish daily. Or you can have 1-2 tblspns of

freshly ground flaxseeds daily. Keep it refrigerated. Get a coffee grinder and

ground it right before you consume it. You can add it to salads or blend it in

shakes.

 

Danny Holt

From: haecklers <haecklers@...>

Subject: Re: Some clues to my sluggishness?

Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 6:34 AM

 

I find 2-5 grams of vitamin C reduces my sluggishness when I feel that way. It

works by detoxing but also acting as a catalyst for a lot of enzyme reactions.

I've read that when your body decides it's time to get rid of stored toxins you

feel fatigue. It would be nice if that is all it was that is happening to you.

--- In , " gayle12345678 " <basicliving@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello

>

> I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I have been a Fallon

follower for about four years. It has been in the last nine months, that I have

been feeling sluggish, where my blood feels like it is running slow. I have had

my blood pressure checked, cholestrol checked, blood sugar checked, iron levels

checked, thyroid checked, and all is fine. I am only about 20 lbs overweight so

nothing dramatic. In the last month I have needed to sleep lots, sleep during

the day because I am so exhausted. My doctor wondered if I could be entering

menopause, which could be as I do have some of the symptoms. I am very aware of

what I eat and that I have to feed my body on about 6 small meals a day. But the

thing that puzzles me is that after a good breakfast of oatmeal porridge with

raisins, and kefir milk, that I still feel sluggish. Then I can take an advil,

and an hour later, my sluggishness disappears (my blood feels like it is moving

again), and I

have a a decent amount of energy. In fact whenever I feel sluggish, and can't

take it anymore (not just after eating), I take an advil, and I feel so much

better. It almost feels like I have low blood circulation. But why would an

advil solve my energy problem? And how can I reduce my reliance on advil? What

could be going on?

>

> Gayle

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't read all of responses, so I hope I'm not repeating anything.

First, thyroid checked means what? blood test? The best way to check your

thyroid is to take your basal body temperature. You can find out how at

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com.

They make a big deal out of ferritin levels but I don't agree with them.

Eliminating grains is a biggy, not a bad idea at all. I read Dr. Jarvis' book

Folk Medicine. He says drink apple cider vinegar and raw hone in water, two

tablespoons each with a cup of water. Drink this during your meal and at other

times of the day. I have had amazing results from this tonic. My energy levels

have increased to where I can clean my house (as I look at my dirty dishes).

I take iodine, which has helped me, and I take a thyroid glandular (Nutri Meds)

amongst some other supplements and herbs for adrenal fatigue but the vinegar and

honey has given the most.

It sounds like you are hypothyroid but it could be caused by many different

things. It could even be caused because of your teeth! It could be metal

toxicity. You start by taking your temperature before you get out of bed. It

takes 10 minutes. I keep the thermometer in my armpit until it won't go any

higher. It needs to be 97.7 or higher and then be at 98.6 by mid morning.

www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

www.jcrows.com

www.raypeat.com

These are just some places to read for starters. You can by the Folk Medicine

book at J Crows website. That book is a gift!

Cheers,

Joan

[Guest guest]

--- In , " gayle12345678 " <basicliving@...>

wrote:

>>

> I eat protein for lunch and dinner/supper. The only time I didn't eat protein

was at breakfast but I have changed that in the last two days, eating eggs for

breakfast. This morning no toast.

Gayle, I realize that I'm chiming in late here, but I didn't notice any mention

of your fat intake. Fallon/NT/WAPF diets stress the importance of animal fats,

including raw butter, lard, and tallow. They give energy, so maybe you need to

boost your intake in general and perhaps specifically while you heal your

adrenals (if that's the underlying issue).

Also, getting enough sleep is elemental, so look at your schedule and try to

determine whether you're inadvertently stressing out your body without realizing

it.

FYI, I used to crash within a couple of hours of eating wheat. After I did a

1-month elimination of wheat and then added it back into my diet, the reaction

was too obvious to be ignored, so I started avoiding it and felt much, much

better -- no overwhelming desire to nap a couple of hours after eating a

sandwich!

Two years ago, I read some interesting info at Stop the Thyroid Madness

)http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/temperature/) then took my temperature on

waking and several times daily according to the instructions on the Dr. Rind's

Metabolic Temperature Graph site

(http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph) to determine

whether I had a sluggish thyroid and/or adrenals. My temperature pattern

(consistently low, but unstable from day to day) indicated both low adrenal and

low thyroid function, so I started on a protocol of supplements from

Teitelbaum's From Fatigued to Fantastic! I did improve over a few months and

felt my overall body temperature increase, but then I plateaued and didn't

improve any more.

I'm currently working with someone who uses Nutrition Response Testing (NRT), an

advanced application on muscle testing, to help me determine priority areas for

healing and which supplements will allow my body to heal itself. Interestingly,

my very first issue was toxicity in my lower back that was affecting my

adrenals. A couple of months later, the sluggish thyroid become the priority

area, and I'm still working on it. But my body temp is more balanced and my

energy levels more consistent.

HTH!

Pam

[Guest guest]

Dear Joan and Pam

I pulled out my basal thermometer, took my 1st temp 3.5 hours after being awake

this am, it was 98.7 and again 1 hour later, it was 98.7. I will keep taking my

temperature, especially first thing tomorrow morning.

It's been awhile since I took apple cider vinegar and honey, so I took some of

that this morning, Joan. It would be nice to have energy after looking at my

dirty dishes!

Pam, I get lots of sleep, in bed before the kids, sleeping from 9:30pm until

6am. It is not solid sleep since I need so many bathroom breaks!!

Gayle

[Guest guest]

Hello Kathy

My waist is 34 so my IR is okay. I have checked into Nature's Sunshine Mineral

Chi Tonic, Drenatrophin, Drenamin, and Thyrotrophin but I can't get those

locally.

Well waiting for those books, I found this website, which appears especially

good on treatments.

http://www.naturalnews.com/019339_adrenal_fatigue_chronic_stress.html

I have most of the supplements except for the licorice root extract. I have also

increased my Vitamin C, thanks to Haecklers too.

And , eating fish daily will be hard to do. I have lots of flax, so I will

start grinding again.

Gayle

[Guest guest]

Anybody can Mineral Chi Tonic.

Kathy

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of gayle12345678

Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Some clues to my sluggishness?

I have checked into Nature's Sunshine Mineral Chi Tonic, Drenatrophin,

Drenamin, and Thyrotrophin but I can't get those locally.

[Guest guest]

You can get all these standard process hormone supplements for cheap on

www.amazon.com

 

Danny Holt

From: gayle12345678 <basicliving@...>

Subject: Re: Some clues to my sluggishness?

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 9:48 AM

 

Hello Kathy

My waist is 34 so my IR is okay. I have checked into Nature's Sunshine Mineral

Chi Tonic, Drenatrophin, Drenamin, and Thyrotrophin but I can't get those

locally.

Well waiting for those books, I found this website, which appears especially

good on treatments.

http://www.naturalnews.com/019339_adrenal_fatigue_chronic_stress.html

I have most of the supplements except for the licorice root extract. I have also

increased my Vitamin C, thanks to Haecklers too.

And , eating fish daily will be hard to do. I have lots of flax, so I will

start grinding again.

Gayle

[Guest guest]

I'll look in " The Fourfold Path to Healing " in a couple hours. I think that book

might recommend some kidney aids for the adrenals too. Herbs and

protomorphogens.

 

Danny Holt

From: Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>

Subject: RE: Re: Some clues to my sluggishness?

Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 11:33 AM

 

Hi Gayle,

I think there are several misconceptions in this message:

You said: how can fatigue come from something a person loves to do

Adrenal Fatigue really has nothing to do with what you are doing, whether

you like it or not. It is an endocrine system issue. The adrenals are like

hormone central in the body, and they don't usually go down alone, they take

the other glands with them, especially the thyroid. Adrenal fatigue is

related to how the adrenal glands are functioning.

You said: But I don't get the migraines that is supposed to come with

adrenal fatigue.

I was in stage 3 of 4, of adrenal fatigue and have never had a migraine in

my life.

You said: I do not have a excess belly weight as my belly is not rounded and

I can easily sleep on my stomach

Rounded belly and the ability to sleep on your stomach are unrelated to IR.

A waist measurement over 35 inches is indicative of IR. Chromium GTF is a

great supplement if you think you are IR. My excess weight is evenly

distributed and I sleep on my stomach, but my waist is over 35 inches.

I eat according to NT, also, but avoid grains because I just don't do well

on them, even when I prepare them properly. Many people wouldn't call that

NT-style eating. I try to eat some lacto-fermented food at every meal,

consume raw milk and dairy made from raw milk, including cheese, yogurt,

kefir, and cream cheese, eat only grass-fed meat at home, and rarely eat

out.

To come back from the brink of adrenal failure, I used some Standard Process

products: Drenatrophin, Drenamin, and Thyrotrophin. Every single alternative

health care professional has been surprised that I tested for Drenatrophin

and Drenamin because they are both for the adrenals, but I need them both. I

think the single thing that made the biggest difference for me was a product

by Nature's Sunshine called Mineral Chi Tonic. I was very skeptical when

this product was suggested to me because of the name, but when I read the

ingredient list to my acupuncturist friend, she said those are all adrenal

supporting herbs. Before 30 days were up, I noticed a difference!

Kathy

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of gayle12345678

Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: Some clues to my sluggishness?

Hello

I thought I covered what I eat and don't eat when I said I was a Fallon

follower. Sally Fallon wrote Nourishing Traditions, which I have been on for

the last 4, no 6 years.

My excess weight is distributed evenly throughout my body, on my back,

thighs, bum and belly. I do not have a excess belly weight as my belly is

not rounded and I can easily sleep on my stomach.

I have never tried an Elimination/Provocation Diet.

I eat protein for lunch and dinner/supper. The only time I didn't eat

protein was at breakfast but I have changed that in the last two days,

eating eggs for breakfast. This morning no toast.

Perhaps it is adrenal fatigue. My general tiredness has been for about 9

months. My excess tiredness started on Monday May 3rd, like a switch. Sunday

was an excellent day, I got so much done. Then after my morning crunches and

weightlifting on Monday, wham, I was exhausted. Stress, well going back, the

second and third week of April was really stressful with kids' activities.

The fourth week, I was finally back doing what I love ... working the stock

market. It was a great week, I loved what I was doing. Market was good. I

did let exercise and eating in a timely matter fall by the wayside during

the month of April. Then Monday rolled around after my crunches and

weightlifting, I was so tired. The stock market did start to dive on Monday,

May 3rd, but I sold a couple of major stocks, it was suddenly so hard to

think, as I was so tired. So maybe it is adrenal fatigue. But how can

fatigue come from something a person loves to do. But I don't get the

migraines that is supposed to come with adrenal fatigue. I was so tired, and

not hungry at all.

I don't eat fatty fish. I have cod liver oil as I said before, also Vitamin

C, Vitamin D, and Vitamin B 50 Complex. My digestion is very good. My age is

49. I haven't been exposed to toxins as I work for home in a very controlled

environment.

I have ordered the three books that you recommended . And , I

popped my first magnesium and milk thistle.

Gayle

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all your numerous suggestions. For the next 30 days, I will

try with the added supplements that I have already talked about. I can say that

I do feel better already.

As you called it , thick blood . . . and that is truly what it feels like.

Schadeness, thank you for recommending that Advil substitute, quite expensive. I

guess the key is not to need Advil at all, nor its substitutes!

Thanks again to everyone for your helpful comments! I did get lots of help,

moreso than from a medical doctor. I will keep you updated.

Gayle

[Guest guest]

If you can get the supplement source from whole foods that's always better.

Vitamin C, Bs from raw milk. Vitamin C from stuff such as avacados, tomatos, and

oranges. Vitamin E from other foods, etc. A and D in the adequate amounts would

be from fermented codliver oil.

 

What has your doctor recommended and what did he say causes thick blood?

 

Danny Holt

From: gayle12345678 <basicliving@...>

Subject: Re: Some clues to my sluggishness?

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 8:23 AM

 

Thank you for all your numerous suggestions. For the next 30 days, I will

try with the added supplements that I have already talked about. I can say that

I do feel better already.

As you called it , thick blood . . . and that is truly what it feels like.

Schadeness, thank you for recommending that Advil substitute, quite expensive. I

guess the key is not to need Advil at all, nor its substitutes!

Thanks again to everyone for your helpful comments! I did get lots of help,

moreso than from a medical doctor. I will keep you updated.

Gayle

[Guest guest]

Here is the supplement list I had compiled other than the standard process

supplements recommended:

 

cordycep mushrooms: increases oxygen flow to red blood cells.

 

nattokinase: thins blood and has other health benefits

 

licorice root

 

milk thistle: anti aging benefits and boosts glutathione production.

 

curcumin: boosts glutathione production

 

pine bark extract: thins blood and has other benefits.

 

You could remove vitamin C, D, and b-50 supplementation. Whole foods will

replace the needs for C. fermented codliver oil will replace the needs of

vitamin D. Raw milk and red meat contain the b complex. Bovine liver is a

superior source of the b complex. If you don't want to consume it an alternative

would be now foods dessicated liver.

 

Here's an article on pine bark:

http://www.articlesbase.com/nutrition-articles/pine-bark-supplements-an-isotonic\

-form-of-pycnogenol-960431.html

 

Here's an article on cordycep mushrooms:

http://www.secrets-of-longevity-in-humans.com/cordyceps-fungus.html

 

Here's the best source of cordyceps I know of:

http://www.drrons.com/freeze-dried-mushroom-powders.htm

 

Here's an article on licorice root:

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-licorice-root.html

Here's now foods liver powder:

http://www.amazon.com/Liver-Powder-Argentine-Beef-Ounces/dp/B000CFMQ32

 

This source has all the herbs and extracts I mentioned except for licorice root.

Though these extracts are in very low quantities. Would last you 2 months. If

there are any herbal supplements that contain all of the above extracts share

it.

 

http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/iridesca-250g-p-619.html

 

Danny Holt

I don't eat fatty fish. I have cod liver oil as I said before, also Vitamin

C, Vitamin D, and Vitamin B 50 Complex. My digestion is very good. My age is

49. I haven't been exposed to toxins as I work for home in a very controlled

environment.

I have ordered the three books that you recommended . And , I

popped my first magnesium and milk thistle.

Gayle

[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone

I found out what my problem was . . . I had the start of pneumonia. It was not

full-blown pneumonia, but the start. So here I was trying to fight it off,

unknowingly, for a full month before I went into hospital on June 4th. Never had

pneumonia before...I just let all my good habits go to the wayside, once my

reserve was gone, that was it.

Thanks to everyone for your assistance and persistance!!!

Gayle