Re: probiotic - raw milk formula question

[Guest guest]

The common strain of B. infantis was renamed B. lactis and it is indeed

found in everyone's guts and everyone can benefit from it.

But my reason for leaning towards staying with B. Infantis/Lactis is far

more complex. The gut is an evolution - you can put a multi-strain there as

much as you want but if there is nothing there for it to eat, it will not

thrive - and if those strains produce compounds which the body can not

handle, other bacteria will take residence to compensate for that. B.

infantis is the second step in the natural evolution (E. Coli and other

harsher microbes are the first step, and they prepare the gut to be

colonized by B. infantis). I find when my gut gets bad I benefit greatly

from going back to B. infantis. It produces only D lactate (which is

absorbable) and acetic acid (which is eaten by other bacteria), so it is

mild on the gut. A lot of multi strain probiotics contain Acidophilus,

Thermophilus and Plantarum, which create L lactate which is harsher on the

gut as it can not be absorbed. This effect is pronounced in children.

You also have to remember, a lot of the studies on flora are not done on EBF

children, therefore that composition begins to change at the time solid

foods are introduced (4-6 months on average). So just because that change

begins at an average age does not mean that it is ideal for it to begin at

that age - just that it tends to, given the average feeding practices.

Personally, I'd stick with the B. infantis and the natural strains found in

raw milk rather than add a different probiotic in. If she's already bought

the other probiotic, I don't think it'll be an issue - I just feel that B.

infantis (or perhaps a D-lactate free blend) would be preferred.

-Lana

" The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:57 PM, slbooks4me <beauty4ashesisaiah61@...

> wrote:

> Hi All i thought i would post his here cause i know a few of you have read

> up a lot on gut flora. I have friend that is going to put 8 month old on

> raw milk formula as she can no longer physically bfeed. The recipe calls

> for Infantis probiotic. From what i recall reading infantis is only predom.

> in guts of 6 months and under, after 6 they transition to more adult flora.

> It would seem to me she could use a multi strain instead. Anyone have

> reasons she should not use a multi strain?

>

> TIA

>

>

[Guest guest]

if B. infantis (which you say is good) produces only D lactate and acetic acid,

why would you recommend a D-lactate free blend?

>

> > Hi All i thought i would post his here cause i know a few of you have read

> > up a lot on gut flora. I have friend that is going to put 8 month old on

> > raw milk formula as she can no longer physically bfeed. The recipe calls

> > for Infantis probiotic. From what i recall reading infantis is only predom.

> > in guts of 6 months and under, after 6 they transition to more adult flora.

> > It would seem to me she could use a multi strain instead. Anyone have

> > reasons she should not use a multi strain?

> >

> > TIA

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good catch - I crossed the two in the first paragraph and missed it on the

proofread (that's what I get for writing it too fast). L lactate is the

absorbable one that B. infantis makes, D lactate is the one that

Acidophilus/Thermophilus/Plantarum makes.

Thanks for catching my oops!

-Lana

" The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 8:47 AM, carolyn_graff <zgraff@...> wrote:

> if B. infantis (which you say is good) produces only D lactate and acetic

> acid, why would you recommend a D-lactate free blend?

[Guest guest]

Lana (or anyone else) can you recommend a book a good book that is all about gut

flora? I would like to know/learn more. Like your comment if there is nothing

there for them to eat.... what do each of them need to eat? A book that

explains strains, their purpose, what they produce, eat, fight against etc....

>

> > if B. infantis (which you say is good) produces only D lactate and acetic

> > acid, why would you recommend a D-lactate free blend?

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