Minerals

[Guest guest]

> can anyone recommend a good multi-mineral?

I find that most of the multi-mineral and multi-vitamin supplements

don't have any benefits, and may actually be harmful. The reason

is that most of the ingredients are derived from non-food sources

(some are even derived from coal, I believe!), and the body instead

treats them as toxic substances that need eliminating from the body.

Here is a webpage that shares my opinion:

http://www.allnaturalvitamins.net/

So my suggestion would be to get your minerals from actual foods,

or supplements whose only ingredients are foods.

Vitamineral Green is something that I have taken, although since

it has Spirulina in it and other superfoods, it may be too much

of a good thing:

http://www.healthforce.com/vitamineral_green.htm

Seasilver is pretty good, too.

Standard Process makes a variety of supplements that are derived

from whole foods -- Catalyn is their general-purpose, multi-vitamin

& multi-mineral supplements. The only problem with this brand

is that they try to restrict sales to doctors, which makes it

hard for the consumer to get it on their own. However, there

are a few places on the Internet where you can find pharmacies

and doctors violating the manufacturers desires and selling it to

the public (I buy mine from RiteCare.com).

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi, Canary,

Yes, I have high folate levels. In my case, tho, we are not sure the blood

testing is accurate due to intestinal permiability and the possibility that the

folate site in my gut is damaged. This could possibly (tho unproven) result in

folate passing into the blood stream but not actually having a carrier protein

to make it usable to the body. That could account for the fact that it is

abnormally high (gets in the blood with nowhere to go). My brother died of

spina bifida, I have another brother with mild spina bifida, my son has mild

spina bifida, and I nearly died of pernicious anemia in my 20s and 30s. The

likelihood that I have actually too-high folate seems remote given this, but my

blood tests do show that. I have the same problem with B12. However, I am

better when I have regular B12 injections.

I take Carlson Labs Super Two Daily's for a multiple vit/min. I like them but

they do have folate in them. As for how much to take, I have a great book

called " Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing " by and Phyllis Balsch. I

go by my symptoms and the foods I do not eat, as much as possible, rather than

doctor recommendations. Since celiac disease causes nutritional deficiencies

due to the gut permiability issue and one is not sure whether the vits/mins are

getting where they need to go, even tho my blood stream is a wealth of

vitamins/minerals aplenty, this seems a better way to approach things for me.

The book has many editions, so make sure you buy a current one if you look into

this.

Btw, I do think alot of yous here have tight junction permiability issues

yourselves (tho not necessarily gut tight junction issues). I kind of suspect

that is the link we all have, but it is my personal theory. There was a list of

ES article links sent thru the forum around Nov/Dec 2005 that listed an article

about emfs causing tight junction permiability. This is the same tight junction

permiability that celiacs experience, tho celiac tj damage is in the gut,

blood-brain barrier, lungs, and heart and I do not know whether that is the same

with ES tj issues. I just recently received a celiac news conference update

that mentioned new research by a Dr. Wijmenga. She has found genes which cause

tight junction permiability. In celiac speak, this translates as follows: to

have celiac disease, one must have BOTH at least one celiac gene and a tight

junction permiability gene. Most celiacs also have a second celiac gene. I can

send this article if anyone is interested.

So, I am wondering if all ppl with ES also have a gene for tj permiability.

This might be the deciding factor for whether one reacts to ES or not.

I take some of my minerals separately, but not all. (I take the multi, plus

molyb separate, iron separate, take a water supplement with added mins, trace

min supplement when I am not on the water, chromium, selenium, sulphur,

calcium--(alot)--separately. Electrolytes are also important, so don't forget

those. I take added potassium, and magnesium, and an electrolyte mix. I do

have a nutritionist who oversees all of this and yes, it is expensive. He tells

me I will not always have to take this much supplementation, but I still show

signs of gut damage. I take what he suggests based on the recommendations in

the book I mentioned. (Via symptoms and food prevalence.) The book also gives

recommendations on what to take with what and when to take what.

My best to you; Hope this helps you decide how to proceed,

Diane

canaryyuk <canary65@...> wrote:

can anyone recommend a good multi-mineral?

i tend to avoid vitamin & mineral combined supplements cos i cannot

tolerate folic acid (my levels are already very high - anyone else got

very high folate levels, out of interest?)

I am very confused as to the doses to take for many of these minerals,

esp. things like copper, moly, boron, etc...

it might be better to take all of the minerals separately so i can

monitor which ones make me feel better/worse. expensive, though..hmm

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[Guest guest]

By the way, on the subject of food-based mineral supplements, I'll note

that one of the supplements I'm currently taking is from Standard

Process, and is called " Organically Bound Minerals " . The list of

ingredients is simply " Dried Alfalfa Juice, Kelp " .

I'm also taking a supplement called " Cellfood " , which is ionic

mineral/enzyme/oxygen drops extracted from seawater. This I've found to

be extremely beneficial, in terms of giving me obvious, repeatable

benefits in very short order (increased energy, decreased need for

sleep, improved vision, less feeling " oxygen deprived " ). Quite a

contrast from the typical multi-vitamin, which typically gave me no

noticeable health benefits whatsoever.

Marc

[Guest guest]

thanks marc, evie, emma for your recommendations. Yes, emma, i have

been using a biocare multimineral on and off for the last couple of

years, which i 've just run out of. Its just that its got this list

of minerals but i don't know why they've only chosen certain ones and

not others and i don't understand the reasoning behind the doses. (I

realised that it didn't contain any iodine, for example, which i

believe you can only get from fish which i don't eat that much of,

especially now i live miles from the sea/supermarkets).

I totally get what you say Marc about trying to get stuff as natural

as possible, and i've printed out those supplements you think might

be worth giving a try. I tend not to supplement hugely, because i am

aware that it is a biological minefield, and stuff could be

accumulating in me and causing all sorts of potential problems. The

only thing i am taking at RDA everyday is magnesium, because its the

only thing that stops this horrid pain in my legs at night. And even

tho' a book i've got says that chances of overdose are non existant

with Magnesium, i'm still wary, and it hurts my tummy a bit when i;ve

eaten it. but it seems to be better than anything else at the moment

for helping to get me to sleep.

interesting evie that there might be something to this high folate

thing. It may be that i do eat alot of stuff with folate in, or it

may be indicative of something not working right. I know that the

pills that made me ill were like an incredibly strong

steriod/chemotherapy drug and that those sort of drugs acually

suppress the action of folate in the body cos apparently folate makes

cells divide quickly. So maybe thats just one of the many many areas

that got fucked up when i took the pills.

Sens , " Marc " <marc@...> wrote:

>

> > can anyone recommend a good multi-mineral?

>

> I find that most of the multi-mineral and multi-vitamin supplements

> don't have any benefits, and may actually be harmful. The reason

> is that most of the ingredients are derived from non-food sources

> (some are even derived from coal, I believe!), and the body instead

> treats them as toxic substances that need eliminating from the body.

>

> Here is a webpage that shares my opinion:

>

> http://www.allnaturalvitamins.net/

>

> So my suggestion would be to get your minerals from actual foods,

> or supplements whose only ingredients are foods.

>

> Vitamineral Green is something that I have taken, although since

> it has Spirulina in it and other superfoods, it may be too much

> of a good thing:

>

> http://www.healthforce.com/vitamineral_green.htm

>

> Seasilver is pretty good, too.

>

> Standard Process makes a variety of supplements that are derived

> from whole foods -- Catalyn is their general-purpose, multi-vitamin

> & multi-mineral supplements. The only problem with this brand

> is that they try to restrict sales to doctors, which makes it

> hard for the consumer to get it on their own. However, there

> are a few places on the Internet where you can find pharmacies

> and doctors violating the manufacturers desires and selling it to

> the public (I buy mine from RiteCare.com).

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

With such a loooong article, please just give us a short excerpt and

the link. These things are usually easier to read on the websites

anyway.

On Jun 23, 2006, at 2:36 AM, kim walcott wrote: Dear pamela, i

recently read this kim

>

>

> M I N E R A L S

>

> - Tim O'Shea

>

[Guest guest]

Jana, I believe I have addressed the potassium issue. Please send any

information you want posted about minerals to me directly at:

beewilder@...

I've studied the issue of cramps a great deal, and because I do not

have a thyroid it is particularly important. It is very important not

to take too much calcium from supplements, and most of us are lacking

in magnesium, so I recommend no more than 600 mgs. per day in divided

doses of cal/mag (equal amounts), but some people need to take less

calcium and more magnesium. For example, I only require 175 mg of cal

per day, and 450 mg of magnesium, but I am never lacking potassium.

Jana, please read my article " How to Successfully Overcome Candida "

before posting any more " helpful " information, so you know the basis

upon which we are all operating here.

Bee

[Guest guest]

I'd be real suspicous of $10 minerals.

You don't want them mixed with stuff.

On 10/15/06, Maddviking@... <Maddviking@...> wrote:

>

> In a message dated 10/14/2006 10:31:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> salbud@... <salbud%40valliant.net> writes:

> Correction on that price. It's $10.07. I hit the wrong key.

> You can get it cheap but is it good? Does it list the minerals and they're

>

> amounts or do they say " proprietary " blend? Does it say what their source

> of

> minerals is? You have to be careful. Some of them are fruit juice with

> hard

> water.

> Max

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathy,

I went over to Now Foods and saw they have the trace minerals, now to find a

place in Paris or Texarkana that carries it, or an online store.

Re: Minerals

I'd be real suspicous of $10 minerals.

You don't want them mixed with stuff.

On 10/15/06, Maddviking@... <Maddviking@...> wrote:

>

> In a message dated 10/14/2006 10:31:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> salbud@... <salbud%40valliant.net> writes:

> Correction on that price. It's $10.07. I hit the wrong key.

> You can get it cheap but is it good? Does it list the minerals and they're

>

> amounts or do they say " proprietary " blend? Does it say what their source

> of

> minerals is? You have to be careful. Some of them are fruit juice with

> hard

> water.

> Max

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm using www.now-2-u.com since I can't find it in Paris or

Texarkana. Thank you, Kathy and Max for the warning about the Colloidal

minerals.

Re: Minerals

I'd be real suspicous of $10 minerals.

You don't want them mixed with stuff.

On 10/15/06, Maddviking@... <Maddviking@...> wrote:

>

> In a message dated 10/14/2006 10:31:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> salbud@... <salbud%40valliant.net> writes:

> Correction on that price. It's $10.07. I hit the wrong key.

> You can get it cheap but is it good? Does it list the minerals and they're

>

> amounts or do they say " proprietary " blend? Does it say what their source

> of

> minerals is? You have to be careful. Some of them are fruit juice with

> hard

> water.

> Max

>

>

[Guest guest]

Quite a few online places carry NOW , so you might check for the best

pricing

On 10/16/06, Murray <salbud@...> wrote:

>

> I'm using www.now-2-u.com since I can't find it in Paris or

> Texarkana. Thank you, Kathy and Max for the warning about the Colloidal

> minerals.

>

> Re: Minerals

>

> I'd be real suspicous of $10 minerals.

> You don't want them mixed with stuff.

>

> On 10/15/06, Maddviking@... <Maddviking%40aol.com>

<Maddviking@...<Maddviking%40aol.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 10/14/2006 10:31:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > salbud@... <salbud%40valliant.net> <salbud%40valliant.net>

> writes:

> > Correction on that price. It's $10.07. I hit the wrong key.

> > You can get it cheap but is it good? Does it list the minerals and

> they're

> >

> > amounts or do they say " proprietary " blend? Does it say what their

> source

> > of

> > minerals is? You have to be careful. Some of them are fruit juice with

> > hard

> > water.

> > Max

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>>every now

> and then her complexion will look rosy and her eyes sparkly, so i

> know it's possible! we already take cod liver oil.

Keep a journal and write down everything. It is possible the pale

complexion is caused by foods not tolerated. Take note of the days

where she looks good, and see what she ate/did not eat that day.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> My son finished 2nd round dmsa yesterday, we see improvements. He is

> on lots of supps, zinc, magnesium, selenium. What other minerals

> should he be on?

A few of my kids also needed chromium.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello Bee and all, can you tell us more about why colloidal

minerals are not recommended? And does this include plant based

colloidal minrals? Where can I find more information on ionic verses

colloidal? thanks!

Hi Radiya. Here's an excerpt from the Weston A. Price Foundation,

called " Mineral Primer "

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/mineralprimer.html

Note: I don't agree with everything in this article, but I do agree

with the following:

" Several types of mineral supplements are available commercially

including chelated minerals, mineral salts, minerals dissolved in

water and " colloidal " mineral preparations. A colloid is a dispersion

of small particles in another substance. Soap, for example, forms a

colloidal dispersion in water; milk is a dispersion of colloidal fats

and proteins in water, along with dissolved lactose and minerals.

Colloidal mineral preparations presumably differ from true solutions

in that the size of the dispersed particles is ten to one thousand

times larger than ions dissolved in a liquid. Colloidal dispersions

tend to be cloudy; or they will scatter light that passes through

them. Shine a flashlight through water containing soap or a few drops

of milk and its path can be clearly seen, even if the water seems

clear.

There is no evidence that the body absorbs colloidal mineral

preparations any better than true solutions of mineral salts or

minerals in chelated form. Many so-called " colloidal " formulas often

contain undesirable additives, including citric acid, that prevent

the mineral particles from settling to the bottom of the container.

Furthermore, these products may contain an abundance of minerals that

can be toxic in large amounts, such as silver and aluminum. Even

mineral preparations in which the minerals are in true solution may

contain minerals in amounts that may be toxic. If a product tastes

very bitter, it probably should be avoided.

Some commercial interests sell minerals chelated to amino acids which

they claim do not break down in the gut, but which pass in their

entirety through the mucosa and into the blood, thus bypassing

certain blocks to mineral absorption. However, such products, if they

work, bypass the body's exquisitely designed system for taking in

just what it needs and may cause serious imbalances. Obviously, such

formulations should be taken only under the supervision of an

experienced health care practitioner.

The proper way to take in minerals is through mineral-rich water;

through nutrient-dense foods and beverages; through mineral-rich bone

broths in which all of the macrominerals--sodium, chloride, calcium,

magnesium, phosphorus, potassium and sulphur--are available in ready-

to-use ionized form as a true electrolyte solution; through the use

of unrefined sea salt. . . "

They recommend using Concentrace Ionic Liquid Minerals if you need

them to add to reverse osmosis water. Anyone can overdo taking

minerals too, if they are not in the form where the body can choose

them for itself and its particular needs. Taking too much of one

mineral in such forms throws off balances of other minerals.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> THE INTERNET TRAIL LED ME TO A

> DISCUSSION OF NUTRIENTS COMING FROM DEEP DOWN IN THE SOIL. THESE ARE

> MINERALS THAT HAVE BEEN LEACHED OUT OF TOPSOIL. MOLASSES, SEA SALT,

> CLAY, AND GRAPE JUICE ALL HAVE THESE PROPERTIES. MY WIFE HAS BEEN ON

> MAPLE SYRUP AND SEA SALT, WITH FANTASTIC RESULTS. NOW WE ARE GOING TO

> TRY THE MOLASSES AND CLAY (BENTONITE).

Yes, supplementing with mineral-rich foods/supplements certainly can be

helpful. I find magnesium and iodine-rich items particularly helpful.

I'm not suprised to see molasses or sea salt on your list, but where did

you read that grape juice was rich in minerals?

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc-

Red grape juice, preferably home made, was listed as a plant with deep roots

that would reach the nutrients deep into the earth.--mike

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

> THE INTERNET TRAIL LED ME TO A

> DISCUSSION OF NUTRIENTS COMING FROM DEEP DOWN IN THE SOIL. THESE ARE

> MINERALS THAT HAVE BEEN LEACHED OUT OF TOPSOIL. MOLASSES, SEA SALT,

> CLAY, AND GRAPE JUICE ALL HAVE THESE PROPERTIES. MY WIFE HAS BEEN ON

> MAPLE SYRUP AND SEA SALT, WITH FANTASTIC RESULTS. NOW WE ARE GOING TO

> TRY THE MOLASSES AND CLAY (BENTONITE).

Yes, supplementing with mineral-rich foods/supplements certainly can be

helpful. I find magnesium and iodine-rich items particularly helpful.

I'm not suprised to see molasses or sea salt on your list, but where did

you read that grape juice was rich in minerals?

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee, Could you tell me the mineral content in 20, 30, 40 drops of

concentrace. The optimal mineral content for water is from 500- 1500. I tried

searching the web with no success.

+++Sorry , I don't have the details. You could call or email companies

that carry Concentrace and get their detailed analysis listing all of the

minerals.

When I called them they advised adding 20 drops to every gallon of water.

Remember, " more is not better. "

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Ginny,

It looks like magnesium chloride sourced from a location such as Australia

(brine lakes).

The trace elements are present in extremely small amounts typical of sea water

and its evaporation deposits (brine lake residues ~ these are redissolved in

water and made up into very strong solutions of magnesium chloride).

Since the main anion (Cl ~ chloride) is very soluble for most metallic elements

(recall your science lessons?), it follows that the trace elements are present

as their chlorides ( to remain soluble ).

The potassium from these brine lakes will have settled out (crystallised) as the

double chloride ~ Potassium Magnesium Chloride.

It's the 'crust' of the lake that contains all the Magnesium Chloride.

I hope the cost of this liquid 'salt' is reasonable?

best wishes

Bob

>

> I am wishing to supplement my intake of minerals, and I understand that the

ionic form is best. I have found one which contains the following:

>

> 227ml liquid

> 1.85ml (30 drops) typically provide:

> Content

> Ionic mineral concentrate

> 815mg

> of which:

>

> Magnesium 200mg

> Chloride 555mg

> Sulphate 41mg

> Potassium - Less than 1mg

> Sodium - Less than 4mg

>

> The following naturally occuring trace amounts: Lithium, Boron, Carbonate,

Calcium, Bromide, Fluoride, Silicon, Nitrogen, Selenium, Phosphorus, Iodide,

Chromium, Iron, Manganese, Titanium, Rubidium, Cobalt, Copper, Antimony,

Arsenic, Molybdenum, Strontium, Zinc, Nickel, Tungsten, Germanium, Aluminium,

Scandium, Tin, Lanthanum, Lead, Yttrium, Barium, Silver, Cadmium, Uranium,

Gallium, Zirconium, Vanadium, Beryllium, Tellurium, Bismuth, Hafnium, Terbium,

Europium, Gadolinium, Samarium, Cerium, Caesium, Gold, Mercury, Dysprosium,

Holmium, Lutetium, Thulium, Erbium, Ytterbium, Neodymium, Niobium, Tantalum ,

Thorium, Thallium, Rhenium, Indium, Palladium, Platinum, Praseodymium. Plus

other minerals naturally found in seawater.

>

> Aluminium - less than 0.3 ppm

> Mercury - less than 0.05 ppm

> Lead - less than 0.1 ppm

> Cadmium less than 0.5 ppm

>

> CONTAINS NO added sugar, salt, starch, soya, wheat, gluten, yeast, maize/corn,

lactose, dairy products, artificial preservatives, colours or flavourings.

>

> My question to your learned members is - does the " good content "

> outweigh the bad heavy metals, and having a potassium deficiency,

> which I believe is not too major, would this contain enough to put

> this right? The potassium content looks rather low to me in

> comparison.

>

> Thanks for any information,

>

> Ginny 2

>

[Guest guest]

See my previous post Janet.

Luv - Sheila

Talking about minerals and salt, I've just ordered a bag of

himalyan salt to try. Has anybody had any experience of this and is it

effective, and also how much should be taken daily? It seems to contain an

awful lot of minerals but I wonder how easy it would be to absorb them is this

form.

love janet

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Fantastic but sorry Where do I but it from.XXXXX

Margaret

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See my previous post Janet.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

I got my Himalayan Salt from a good health food shop. Earlier you asked about

's Adrenal Dynamite, I am trying it at the moment. I got mine from

iherb.com. I know others have had great success with it but to be honest when I

have used mine up I think I will go back to NAX. I do have a full tub if you

want to try it. I will pass it on for what I paid for it and without the

dreaded customs charge !

Kind regards

Jane

>

> Fantastic but sorry Where do I but it from.XXXXX

>  

> Margaret  

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I attempted to post this question before, but I didn't see it posted

>

> A while back I purchased a liquid mineral supplement that was listed in the

site.

>

> I'd like to repurchase, but forgot the brand

>

> Help would be appreciated

>

+++Hi there. It could have been Concentrace Liquid Ionic Minerals.

Bee

[Guest guest]

That's it- thanks much

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > I attempted to post this question before, but I didn't see it posted

> >

> > A while back I purchased a liquid mineral supplement that was listed in

> the site.

> >

> > I'd like to repurchase, but forgot the brand

> >

> > Help would be appreciated

> >

> +++Hi there. It could have been Concentrace Liquid Ionic Minerals.

>

> Bee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is there a mineral supplement that is supposed to be the best? I drink reverse

osmosis water and worry about lack of them.

[Guest guest]

I didn't see that. thanks.

Re: Minerals

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >--- In , Parashis <artpages@>

wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Wow, at vitaminlife.com it's

>> >> ConcenTrace Trace Mineral Drops

>> >> By: Trace Minerals

>> >> UPC Code: 878941000096

>> >>

>> >> Price: $284.54

>> >

>> >Keep in mind that that is the price for an entire gallon. The dosage is a

few drops in a glass of water.

>> >

>> >> Says it comes from the Great Lakes. Do you think sea salt has

>> >> the same thing?

>> >

>> >Because most of the sodium is removed from Concentrace, the desirable

mineral content is far more concentrated than what you'll get in sea salt.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >------------------------------------

>> >

>> >