Re: Re: How healthy are beans and legumes?

[Guest guest]

>

> > Starch isn't fattening.

>

> To the body, starch is pure sugar. Eat more of it than you'll burn up in

> activity and it will turn to fat.

Um, yeah, that's the basic concept of calories. Eat too many and it will

turn to fat. Doesn't matter if its starch, protein, fat - rest assured if

you eat more calories than you burn, you'll pack on the weight.

> > In fact it appears to behave in the exact opposite manner. I would

> > recommend checking out Matt Stone's blog 180 Degree Nutrition.

>

> Back when Matt Stone was eating 400 grams of carbs every day, mostly in the

> form of white rice, he ballooned up into a doughy mess.

>

There is a significant difference between refined starch/starch in the

absense of fiber and whole grains and legumes. Not to mention 400 grams of

carbs amounts to 1600 calories, leaving very little room for getting

adequate nutrition in a 2000 calorie diet, even when those carbs are from

whole, healthy sources - which they were not in your example.

> In my own case, starch in sufficient quantity makes me voraciously hungry a

> couple hours after eating it, causing me to binge uncontrollably. That's why

> I got fat on a predominantly vegetarian diet that was heavily based on whole

> grains and beans. It also crashes my blood sugar, making me tired and

> lethargic. Beans have much less of that effect on me, but grains and tubers

> are a nightmare if I eat them in quantities exceeding half a cup. I don't

> know if it's carbohydrate sensitivity, reactive hypoglycemia, or what, but

> some of us just aren't cut out for diets loaded with starch.

Well yeah, that's because it digests faster than most protein and fat -

of course you'll be hungry if you don't get enough fat and protein in your

meals. Crashing your blood sugar is likely a side effect of not getting

enough protein or fat, not a side effect of too much starch - unless you do

indeed have some form of reacting hypoglycemia, which then means you're in a

subset. Packing on weight as a result of binging could also be a sign of

overeating in a single meal (stomach stretched too large), not

getting adequate nutrients in your diet (because you'll keep eating till you

get them), having thyroid problems (which in this case could be caused by

flouride, bromide or goitrogens in improperly processed grains) or even

candidaisis. None of what you're blaming on starches is clear cut as their

" fault " .

-Lana

[Guest guest]

The longer it takes the body to break down carbohydrates, the greater the

percentage of carbohydrate is converted to free fatty acids. A certain portion

does get converted to free fatty acids, however 25% of carbohydrate is burned to

convert the other 75% into free fatty acids. Calories in and calories out,

whether it's fat or carbohydrate, it's also based on your activity level

throughout the day. Carbohydrates are necessary for prolonged moderate to

higher intensity activities.

 

Holt

From: Stanley <j_alexander_stanley@...>

Subject: Re: How healthy are beans and legumes?

Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 6:13 PM

 

>

> Starch isn't fattening.

To the body, starch is pure sugar. Eat more of it than you'll burn up in

activity and it will turn to fat.

> In fact it appears to behave in the exact opposite manner. I would

> recommend checking out Matt Stone's blog 180 Degree Nutrition.

Back when Matt Stone was eating 400 grams of carbs every day, mostly in the form

of white rice, he ballooned up into a doughy mess.

In my own case, starch in sufficient quantity makes me voraciously hungry a

couple hours after eating it, causing me to binge uncontrollably. That's why I

got fat on a predominantly vegetarian diet that was heavily based on whole

grains and beans. It also crashes my blood sugar, making me tired and lethargic.

Beans have much less of that effect on me, but grains and tubers are a nightmare

if I eat them in quantities exceeding half a cup. I don't know if it's

carbohydrate sensitivity, reactive hypoglycemia, or what, but some of us just

aren't cut out for diets loaded with starch.

[Guest guest]

<<The longer it takes the body to break down carbohydrates, the greater the

percentage of carbohydrate is converted to free fatty acids.>>

 

I'm getting tired, I meant to say the longer it takes the body to break down

carbohydrates, the greater the percentage of carbohydrate is converted to

*muscle and liver glycogen*.

 

Holt

From: Stanley <j_alexander_stanley@...>

Subject: Re: How healthy are beans and legumes?

Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 6:13 PM

 

>

> Starch isn't fattening.

To the body, starch is pure sugar. Eat more of it than you'll burn up in

activity and it will turn to fat.

> In fact it appears to behave in the exact opposite manner. I would

> recommend checking out Matt Stone's blog 180 Degree Nutrition.

Back when Matt Stone was eating 400 grams of carbs every day, mostly in the form

of white rice, he ballooned up into a doughy mess.

In my own case, starch in sufficient quantity makes me voraciously hungry a

couple hours after eating it, causing me to binge uncontrollably. That's why I

got fat on a predominantly vegetarian diet that was heavily based on whole

grains and beans. It also crashes my blood sugar, making me tired and lethargic.

Beans have much less of that effect on me, but grains and tubers are a nightmare

if I eat them in quantities exceeding half a cup. I don't know if it's

carbohydrate sensitivity, reactive hypoglycemia, or what, but some of us just

aren't cut out for diets loaded with starch.

[Guest guest]

Well, the carbohydrate source has also got to be prepared correctly. If it isn't

made to digest efficiently through various preparation and cooking methods even

if it digests slowly a greater precentage may convert to free fatty acids

anyway. Depending on the carbohydrate structure of the source if it's not broken

down because of lack of cooking preparation it may not digest and come out as

bulk waste through feces.

 

Holt

From: Stanley <j_alexander_stanley@...>

Subject: Re: How healthy are beans and legumes?

Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 6:13 PM

 

>

> Starch isn't fattening.

To the body, starch is pure sugar. Eat more of it than you'll burn up in

activity and it will turn to fat.

> In fact it appears to behave in the exact opposite manner. I would

> recommend checking out Matt Stone's blog 180 Degree Nutrition.

Back when Matt Stone was eating 400 grams of carbs every day, mostly in the form

of white rice, he ballooned up into a doughy mess.

In my own case, starch in sufficient quantity makes me voraciously hungry a

couple hours after eating it, causing me to binge uncontrollably. That's why I

got fat on a predominantly vegetarian diet that was heavily based on whole

grains and beans. It also crashes my blood sugar, making me tired and lethargic.

Beans have much less of that effect on me, but grains and tubers are a nightmare

if I eat them in quantities exceeding half a cup. I don't know if it's

carbohydrate sensitivity, reactive hypoglycemia, or what, but some of us just

aren't cut out for diets loaded with starch.

[Guest guest]

If you had read the rest of my post, you would have realized I acknowledged

the possiblity that you have some form of hypoglycemia, or other condition

that puts you into a subset. It isn't starch's fault that you have such a

problem, it is your body's. There is a huge difference in the two when

discussing the " health " of an entire category of foods on a nutrition list.

-Lana

" We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life. "

- Osler

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Stanley <j_alexander_stanley@...

> wrote:

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>

> >

> > None of what you're blaming on starches is clear cut as their

> > " fault " .

>

> Actually, in my case, starch is absolutely to blame. Even in the context of

> my current low-ish carb, paleo/primal diet, with plenty of fat and protein,

> a large portion of starch has the same negative consequences. The last time

> I had a sweetpotato, it accompanied a nice fatty steak, and I binged all

> afternoon. The last time I had sushi out of town, my wife had to drive us

> all the way home because the rice crashed my blood sugar, and I was fast

> asleep in the passenger seat at 4pm. When fruit and non-starchy veggies make

> up the 100-150 grams of carbs I eat every day, I have none of those issues.

>

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[Guest guest]

What else was Matt Stone eating when he consumed 400g of white rice a day? Any

protein or fat?

 

Holt

From: Stanley <j_alexander_stanley@...>

Subject: Re: How healthy are beans and legumes?

Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 6:13 PM

 

>

> Starch isn't fattening.

To the body, starch is pure sugar. Eat more of it than you'll burn up in

activity and it will turn to fat.

> In fact it appears to behave in the exact opposite manner. I would

> recommend checking out Matt Stone's blog 180 Degree Nutrition.

Back when Matt Stone was eating 400 grams of carbs every day, mostly in the form

of white rice, he ballooned up into a doughy mess.

In my own case, starch in sufficient quantity makes me voraciously hungry a

couple hours after eating it, causing me to binge uncontrollably. That's why I

got fat on a predominantly vegetarian diet that was heavily based on whole

grains and beans. It also crashes my blood sugar, making me tired and lethargic.

Beans have much less of that effect on me, but grains and tubers are a nightmare

if I eat them in quantities exceeding half a cup. I don't know if it's

carbohydrate sensitivity, reactive hypoglycemia, or what, but some of us just

aren't cut out for diets loaded with starch.