Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 , What does the (FOS) do negatively? I don't know what it is or what it does. Yes, I know that dextrose is sugar and I've calculated the sugar to be just about 1/3 of a teaspoon per serving. Doesn't sound like too terribly much since she only gets it once a day. Besides, we were already putting the enzymes in a chocolate mixture before we found the chewable enzymes. don't think this little bit will hurt........do you? I'm not defending here, I am truly asking. I have not really limited sugar too much in her diet thus far. We are not on any diet at the moment. Thought I would start with the enzymes then tweek diet as we go. We may indeed find she has a yeast problem I think she may, and then we will make adjustments to sugar etc. Please let me know about the FOS, I really am just starting this whole thing and I do want to do my best to do it correctly and give my daughter every chance at getting better. Thanks so much for your input! Debbie W. -- Re: Probiotics Debbie, Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) can be a problem and dextrose is just a fancy way of saying SUGAR! No wonder your daughter loves it! That " strawberry flavor " could also cause a problem for some kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Hi Debbie, FOS are prebiotics meant to feed the probiotics, however they will also likely feed pathogenic strains too, particularly Klebsiella. I try to stay away from it. On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 07:09 AM, Debbie Waltman wrote: > , > > What does the (FOS) do negatively? I don't know what it is or what it > does. > > > Yes, I know that dextrose is sugar and I've calculated the sugar to be > just > about 1/3 of a teaspoon per serving. Doesn't sound like too terribly > much > since she only gets it once a day. Besides, we were already putting > the > enzymes in a chocolate mixture before we found the chewable enzymes. > don't > think this little bit will hurt........do you? I'm not defending > here, I am > truly asking. I have not really limited sugar too much in her diet > thus far. > We are not on any diet at the moment. Thought I would start with the > enzymes then tweek diet as we go. We may indeed find she has a yeast > problem > I think she may, and then we will make adjustments to sugar etc. > > Please let me know about the FOS, I really am just starting this whole > thing > and I do want to do my best to do it correctly and give my daughter > every > chance at getting better. Thanks so much for your input! > > Debbie W. > > > > -- Re: Probiotics > > Debbie, > > Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) can be a problem and dextrose is just a > fancy way of saying SUGAR! No wonder your daughter loves it! That > " strawberry flavor " could also cause a problem for some kids. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Thanks! I have no clue what Klebsiella is......but it don't sound good! Anyway, I'm undecided at this pint. Seems to be ok with this one for now, I think I'll just watch her to see how she does. I think it is all trial and error and child by child when it comes to figuring this stuff out, huh? Thanks so much for your time. Debbie W. -- Re: Probiotics > > Debbie, > > Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) can be a problem and dextrose is just a > fancy way of saying SUGAR! No wonder your daughter loves it! That > " strawberry flavor " could also cause a problem for some kids. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 FOS feeds yeast in the intestinal tract. Many autists have yeast overgrowth issues. Elaine Gottschall advises against it in her book " Breaking the Vicious Cycle " . _____ From: Debbie Waltman [mailto:waltmanf@...] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Probiotics , What does the (FOS) do negatively? I don't know what it is or what it does. Yes, I know that dextrose is sugar and I've calculated the sugar to be just about 1/3 of a teaspoon per serving. Doesn't sound like too terribly much since she only gets it once a day. Besides, we were already putting the enzymes in a chocolate mixture before we found the chewable enzymes. don't think this little bit will hurt........do you? I'm not defending here, I am truly asking. I have not really limited sugar too much in her diet thus far. We are not on any diet at the moment. Thought I would start with the enzymes then tweek diet as we go. We may indeed find she has a yeast problem I think she may, and then we will make adjustments to sugar etc. Please let me know about the FOS, I really am just starting this whole thing and I do want to do my best to do it correctly and give my daughter every chance at getting better. Thanks so much for your input! Debbie W. -- Re: Probiotics Debbie, Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) can be a problem and dextrose is just a fancy way of saying SUGAR! No wonder your daughter loves it! That " strawberry flavor " could also cause a problem for some kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 We have had good results with Metagenics Ultra Flora.. Pro.. something or other. If you can't find it I'll run down and check in the fridge. It's a very sweetish powder. I mix it in a syringe with a teeny bit of juice, like 1/2 tsp. DS seems to like the taste. > What other probiotics beside Culturelle do people recommend? Should it be taken in > addition to Culturelle or alternated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 i use this brand as well as culturelle on my 2yr old every night. (switch brands every other night) ~Kris > I do not know much about probiotics, so I need some help here. My 2 > year old daughter is on Augmentin for an infection and I was > wondering what kind of probiotics anyone recommends while she's > taking this medication. My ped. told me to get Acidophillus (1 cap > daily) or Lactobacillus (1 cap daily). My husband goes shopping and > comes home with Jarro-Dophilus EPS which contains 8 different > species of probiotics. Has anyone taken this? Is it safe to give a 2 > year old? Like I said, I do not have a clue about this, so any > comments are welcome. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 , I have tried the JarroDophilus EPS, it is alright. A more effective probiotic I have used for the last 6 months is a product called Three Lac Candida Defense made by Natures Turn. It was extrememly effective for my severe candida problems, which occured after 3 years of continuous antibiotics. It is also quite expensive though. The strains of bacteria that they use actually survive by eating yeast species like candida, which is probably why your doctor suggested using a probiotic. You cant get this product in healthfood stores, you have to buy it online. I have a website that talks about all this. The only way I can afford to use this product is to buy it in bulk and then sell half of it that I dont use at the bulk prices. Heres the site http://home.comcast.net/~aaronerez/index.html Ofcourse there are many sources of Three Lac and if you type it into google I'm sure youll get 500 hits. Also another top quality probiotic is Kirkmans Probio Gold. ~aaron > I do not know much about probiotics, so I need some help here. My 2 > year old daughter is on Augmentin for an infection and I was > wondering what kind of probiotics anyone recommends while she's > taking this medication. My ped. told me to get Acidophillus (1 cap > daily) or Lactobacillus (1 cap daily). My husband goes shopping and > comes home with Jarro-Dophilus EPS which contains 8 different > species of probiotics. Has anyone taken this? Is it safe to give a 2 > year old? Like I said, I do not have a clue about this, so any > comments are welcome. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 > I do not know much about probiotics, so I need some help here. My 2 > year old daughter is on Augmentin for an infection and I was > wondering what kind of probiotics anyone recommends while she's > taking this medication. My ped. told me to get Acidophillus (1 cap > daily) or Lactobacillus (1 cap daily). My husband goes shopping and > comes home with Jarro-Dophilus EPS which contains 8 different > species of probiotics. Has anyone taken this? Is it safe to give a 2 > year old? Like I said, I do not have a clue about this, so any > comments are welcome. > > Hi , Lactobacillus Acidophillus is ONE type of probiotic. So I am a little confused by the comment you made about 1 cap of Lacotbacillus and 1 of Acidophillus. I think there should be some more to that. Oh! wait-- you said " or " . Okay. That makes sense now--- a lot of times people refer to " lactobaccilus acidophillus " as just " acidophillus " (it is shorter). I am not familiar with Augmentin, but I assume that is is an antibiotic. I assume this because of the comments about probiotics being recommended. As you may know, antibiotics can kill off some or most or all of the " good " bacteria in the gut. These are called " probiotics " , and, as you noted, there are a number of strains or types. I think it is okay (good) to give a mixture as you mentioned. The things to look at on the label are the strains (e.g. acidophillus, bifidus, etc) and the number of organisms. Generally the capsules from " specialty " companies like Kirkman's or Klair have a much larger number of organisms per capsule (which is " good " ). With the ones from the HFS you may need to give more capsules to get enough. I have also bought a liquid probiotic at the HFS-- it is strawberry flavor. There are also a number of probiotic foods, such as SOME types of yogurt (the standard commercial brands generally are NOT made with live cultures, unfortunately), " real " sauerkraut (same comment-- most types are NOT probiotic).... good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 > How long should I give probiotics? As long as you want to. As long as you continue to see benefits. Some people give them as daily maintenance for years. > or if there's a reason to cycle on & off them Many people report better results if you alternate different probiotics every week or so. or if you > eventually reach a point that you can stop them, and what that point might > be. You can check every once in a while, try removing them and see if you notice any regression. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hi Suzanne, I would suggest that you call them back and talk to Randy, the formulator, specifically. He is very knowledgeable and had lots of info on this last time I spoke with him. It did sound to me like practitioners were finding Theralac effective when broken out of the capsules, but may have needed to use higher doses, like maybe twice as much, not sure. We love Theralac at our house, have used it since March. I even take it if my own tummy gets weird and it seems to help set things back in balance really fast. Terri At 09:22 PM 9/9/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Do you think that probiotics are as effective if you open the >capsules and mix it into food. My son does not swallow capsules. I >was intending on ordering theralc but being that it is on the >expensive side, I was wondering if it would be useful if he is not >swallowing the capsules so it is not truly working to the extent >intended. I emailed the company and asked the question, but they did >not really answer my question, they just told me that people do mix >it into food, but never said if it was effective. Kind of like when >you ask a person what is their field of work and they tell you where >they work. > >Suzanne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 This may sound like a lame response, but, I live in the Netherlands and outside of the US, you can't call an 800 number, so I have even sent them an email asking for a number to contact them on that is not an 800 number, and I never got a response. I really would like to order this product, but I can't get a proper response from them neither for a number or the answer to my question. > >Do you think that probiotics are as effective if you open the > >capsules and mix it into food. My son does not swallow capsules. I > >was intending on ordering theralc but being that it is on the > >expensive side, I was wondering if it would be useful if he is not > >swallowing the capsules so it is not truly working to the extent > >intended. I emailed the company and asked the question, but they did > >not really answer my question, they just told me that people do mix > >it into food, but never said if it was effective. Kind of like when > >you ask a person what is their field of work and they tell you where > >they work. > > > >Suzanne > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Thanks, Tod. I will look for the Candex at the HFS.... SJ On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 02:43 PM, Autism- Mercury wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:46:16 -0000 > From: " Tod " <tod_s_2000@...> > Subject: Re: clostridia and yeast > > My daughter had yeast problems that did not do well on prescription > anitfungals either. She also could not tolerate GSE because of the > phenols. Both herbal and presription antifungals hav the problem of > only working on certain strains of yeast. So, sometimes you get lucky > and sometimes you don't. I finally found a product that takes care of > my daughter's yeast every time. It is an enzyme product that eats the > cell wall of the yeast, so theoretically the strain wold not matter. > It is called Candex, and my local health food store has it. I also use > Culturelle. I give 2-morning and 2-night ofr 3 1/2 year daughter. Hope > that helps.--Tod > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 > Okay, can someone here explain to me about Probiotics? Probiotics are the " good bacteria " that the gut needs. For many kids, once yeast is under control, giving probiotics and limiting sugars and starches will help the body keep the yeast away without requiring active yeast killers. Is this > something that my kids would have to take everyday after being rid > of the yeast or is it something that they can take for a montth and > be okay? Depends on the child. >>Where can I buy it? Local health food stores. Several online sources. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 My son does well on other probiotics but not these two, constipation with Culturelle and 4 months of yellow squits with no growth of good bacteria with the Pro bio.. However, all the 'side effects' you note could also be from die off of bugs - how long did you try them? I use BioKult - a UK version of Primal Defense - with 10 UK billions per cap not US (loads less than UK) and CPI from Cutom Probiotics 25 -78 US billions per cap. Colostrum has also helped keep yeast issues under control, along with very low sugar and removal of toxic heavy metals. biokult.com customprobiotics.com HTH Mandi in UK My son does not seem to be able to tolerate probiotics. I have tried both culturelle and more recently Kirkman's Pro-Bio Gold. He seems to have major problems with both (regression, excessive gas, lethargic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 > My son does not seem to be able to tolerate probiotics. I have tried both > culturelle and more recently Kirkman's Pro-Bio Gold. He seems to have major > problems with both (regression, excessive gas, lethargic). My son never tolerated any probiotics. He did " okay " with Culturelle WHEN he had bacteria, but once the bacteria was gone, I had to remove the Culturelle. Other probiotics caused problems, I don't even remember how many I tried. >>I was told that > probiotics should be used in conjunction with the bacteria treatment to > replace the bad with the good. Yes, giving probiotics is usually a good thing, to replace bad with good, but I was never able to use them. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 >>>> was given this probiotic for a 14 day course by her naturopath. I thought you might like to add it to your list. Sure and thanks. I haven't heard of it but it has a high activity count of lots of the good basics. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 > Can anyone tell me when to give probiotics? Empty stomach or not, Depends on the probiotics. I have read labels that say to give with food, and other labels which say to give apart from food. If yours indicate to give apart from food, it is best to give them right before bedtime. >>with cod liver oil(When should I give this to DD as well?) I don't know that the timing of CLO matters in relationship to the probiotics. However, I would give CLO in the morning. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I have just started taking Natures Biotics. It is soil based organisms. Nature's Biotics® contains over 70 nutrients, including naturally occurring phytoplanktons, amino acids, a wide range of vitamins and minerals, an important variety anti-oxidants and proteolytic enzymes, as well as an array of nucleic acids. Just beware, if your stomach is out of balance from lyme, as mine is, it will bring on a herx. I am doing 1/2 doses and working my way up. Suzy [ ] Probiotics What is a good protocol? I've been pretty lax about taking acidofolous etc.despite being on abx for 1.5 years/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Thanks Suzie can you get this at any drugstore? If not where? --------- [ ] Probiotics > > > What is a good protocol? I've been pretty lax about taking acidofolous > etc.despite being on abx for 1.5 years/ > > > > > > > Questions and/or comments can be directed to the list owner at > -Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Hi When using probiotics what is the usual dose. I have noticed where person talk about uping the probiotic or using loads of probiotics?? What does this mean? It ususally says on the product what to use. Can you use more? or do parent use different probiotics. Recently I have introduced probiotic and I think it is really helping but I want to know how much/little you can use per day Best Aileen > > Can anyone tell me when to give probiotics? Empty stomach or not, > > > Depends on the probiotics. I have read labels that say to give with > food, and other labels which say to give apart from food. If yours > indicate to give apart from food, it is best to give them right before > bedtime. > > > >>with cod liver oil(When should I give this to DD as well?) > > > I don't know that the timing of CLO matters in relationship to the > probiotics. However, I would give CLO in the morning. > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 > Hi > > When using probiotics what is the usual dose. I have noticed where > person talk about uping the probiotic or using loads of probiotics?? > What does this mean? For many kids, 10-20 billion cells per day is considered " average " . So increasing it would mean 40+ billion cells per day. Some kids do okay with just 2 billion or so, so increasing would mean 10 billion. > It ususally says on the product what to use. Can you use more? or do > parent use different probiotics. You can use more if it is required. Rotating different probiotics also can help. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 I'm looking at Kirkman's Pro-bio Gold probiotic for my ADHD 4 year old (40+ pounds). Is this a good one? We were using Nutrition Now Rhino FOS & Acidphilus, but I'm liking Kirkman labs stuff...any advice? thanks! jodey > > Hi > > > > When using probiotics what is the usual dose. I have noticed where > > person talk about uping the probiotic or using loads of probiotics?? > > What does this mean? > > > For many kids, 10-20 billion cells per day is considered " average " . > So increasing it would mean 40+ billion cells per day. > > Some kids do okay with just 2 billion or so, so increasing would mean > 10 billion. > > > > It ususally says on the product what to use. Can you use more? or do > > parent use different probiotics. > > > You can use more if it is required. Rotating different probiotics > also can help. > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 When I used a very 'aggressive' dose of Culturelle for my son with clostridia, I gave 3 of the 20 billion cfus capsules per day - 60 billion total. And Culturelle is rather hardy. Dana's ranges are generally the amounts I think of when people talk about doses of probiotics. Remember also, that many of the recommended doses on the bottle labels are for typical healthy guts for maintenance...not a therapeutic dose meant to fix a poor situation. So going higher may be helpful. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Thanks for the replies At the moment I am using Klaire Ther-biotic (25 billion+)per cap and Customs L.Acidophilus (150 billion) (that is high already, can you overdose with probiotics? I am giving Klaire's once a day at the start of a meal-i read somewhere that is the best time for this one and Custom's before bed. Also using Candex first thing in morning which breaks down the yeast wall. I'm still not sure i understand when the yeast has gone or under control even, At the moment he is quite calm, BMs formed and brown but every now and then he gets loud, stimmy and giggly- not a lot but is this a sign yeast is still there or a sign of something else? Over all there is a great change in his behaviour and this is the first time I've managed to do this probiotic thing with consistancy. The one drawback is that is is going down really late and can't seem to get to sleep. i am careful with the diet and no sugar - though he had a few spoonfuls of his brother's ice-cream last Sun and he was high as a kite at 4 in the morning. Is this a sign his gut is in a bad state or are there other reasons why my little one reacts to sugar so badly. Is there an enzyme to break down the effect of ordinary sugar? We do feel the enzymes are helping with other foods. Aileen > > > Hi > > > > > > When using probiotics what is the usual dose. I have noticed > where > > > person talk about uping the probiotic or using loads of > probiotics?? > > > What does this mean? > > > > > > For many kids, 10-20 billion cells per day is considered " average " . > > So increasing it would mean 40+ billion cells per day. > > > > Some kids do okay with just 2 billion or so, so increasing would > mean > > 10 billion. > > > > > > > It ususally says on the product what to use. Can you use more? or > do > > > parent use different probiotics. > > > > > > You can use more if it is required. Rotating different probiotics > > also can help. > > > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 > I'm looking at Kirkman's Pro-bio Gold probiotic for my ADHD 4 year > old (40+ pounds). Is this a good one? It looks okay to me. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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