Probiotics

[Guest guest]

Cherie,I wish we had some type of test we could do over the net . . . and that we had a formula that was surefire for addressing these issues.I am confused when you say you were on a yeast free diet. . . Do you

mean antifungal diet? . . . A yeast free diet is something else

entirely.All I can do is hazard a guess . . . First . . . do you understand the difference between an antifungal and a probiotic? . . . In terms of warfare, the antifungal would be the heavy armor bombing the place to smithereens, the probiotics would be the foot soldiers coming in to clean up the enemy who found a place to hide. If the fungal organisms got some really good meals while you were off the diet, they may be strong and healthy again . . . The probiotics would be more of a nuisance than a threat. You may have to back up and use an antifungal (Caprylic Acid is the fastest, cheapest thing I know) for a while. However, based on how you react, if you use Caprylic Acid, you'll need to work up to 3600 mg. daily very slowly. Don't try to do it too fast or the enemy will mount a counter offense that will make you feel awful. You can expect some discomfort though. It should be easier to do than it was before because you

weren't off the antifungal diet long.I wish this was easier! . . . But I can tell you are really motivated! . . . You'll get there . . . hopefully sooner rather than later.Hugs and prayers,Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

I'm on the candida diet and gluten-free. Sorry for the confusion.

I want to make sure I have this straight, I should take my anti-

fungal (oreganacillin) for a while and then stop and start my

probiotics? My ND wanted me to take both at the same time. What you

are telling me makes more sense. Why take probiotics if I'm killing

it with a anti-fungal....?

Thanks so much for helping me, your such a blessing! Yes, I am a

fighter and I am winning this battle!

Hugs,

Cherie

>

> Cherie,

>

> I wish we had some type of test we could do over the net . . . and

that we had a formula that was surefire for addressing these issues.

>

> I am confused when you say you were on a yeast free diet. . . Do you

> mean antifungal diet? . . . A yeast free diet is something else

> entirely.

>

> All I can do is hazard a guess . . .

>

> First . . . do you understand the difference between an antifungal

and a probiotic? . . . In terms of warfare, the antifungal would be

the heavy armor bombing the place to smithereens, the probiotics

would be the foot soldiers coming in to clean up the enemy who found

a place to hide.

>

> If the fungal organisms got some really good meals while you were

off the diet, they may be strong and healthy again . . . The

probiotics would be more of a nuisance than a threat. You may have to

back up and use an antifungal (Caprylic Acid is the fastest, cheapest

thing I know) for a while. However, based on how you react, if you

use Caprylic Acid, you'll need to work up to 3600 mg. daily very

slowly. Don't try to do it too fast or the enemy will mount a counter

offense that will make you feel awful. You can expect some discomfort

though.

>

> It should be easier to do than it was before because you weren't

off the antifungal diet long.

>

> I wish this was easier! . . . But I can tell you are really

motivated! . . . You'll get there . . . hopefully sooner rather than

later.

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . . Obviously I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's recommendations. It might be that the increased distress you have with probiotics is because you're taking them with an antifungal. . . I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal, then probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is just as important as anything else you do.In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods that cause you distress at the same time. I know it can be confusing. It's a mystery . . . but one you can solve.Hugs,Rogene

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

One thing you might ask your ND about is NAET therapy. It's used to

relieve people of food sensitivities. I had your exact same

symptoms, bloating with EVERYTHING I ate. I did an food panel

allergy test to find out what I'm sensitive to and then had NAET

therapy so that I can eat those foods now w/o reaction. My son's

occupational therapist recommended it because she had 4 kids w/

severe allergies and behavior problems. They had the NAET therapy

and now can eat anything they want and are super successful in school

now...to the point one was kicked out of school for poor behavior in

7th grade. Now he's an honor student and class president.

This Friday I'm going to have NAET therapy for C vitamins because for

some reason I'm not absorbing it. It basically involves holding a

vial of whatever you are sensitive to while the doc manipulates your

spine w/ a tool. You then fast for 25 hours or at least avoid that

particular food or vitamin. After 25 hours you should be able to

tolerate it. It is kind of expensive though, but what a relief to

eat things w/o discomfort and reaction! Love, PH

>

> Cherie,

>

> What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . . Obviously

I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's recommendations.

>

> It might be that the increased distress you have with probiotics is

because you're taking them with an antifungal. . .

>

> I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal, then

probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is just as

important as anything else you do.

>

> In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods that cause

you distress at the same time. I know it can be confusing. It's a

mystery . . . but one you can solve.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ph,

Wow girl, your filled with great info! I have not heard of NAET

therapy. I will ask my hydrotherapist on Sunday about it. I haven't

talked to my ND is a couple of weeks, he doesn;t know what I've been

doing lately. I discovered that calling him is good but I really

have to determine what works for me. Ya know how it goes, ND's really

just listen to what to have to say and have you try different things

until you find the right one. He likes to tell me to come in and see

him to discuss new issues and I do not want to spend $98.00 for that

visit, I will wait to talk to the hydrotherapist first. So far what

the ND has recommened has not brought me relief. What was your

experience with your ND?

Hugs,

Cherie

> >

> > Cherie,

> >

> > What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . . Obviously

> I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's recommendations.

> >

> > It might be that the increased distress you have with probiotics

is

> because you're taking them with an antifungal. . .

> >

> > I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal, then

> probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is just as

> important as anything else you do.

> >

> > In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods that cause

> you distress at the same time. I know it can be confusing. It's a

> mystery . . . but one you can solve.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

The probiotics tear my tummy up! It gets better as I take them but

the first few times I was sick to my stomach! If and when I take it,

I take it right before I go to bed with a lot of water.

Geez, we are both so sensitive to supplements.

Hugs, Lynn

>

> Hi Ladies,

>

> I'm in need of some advice. I started my gluten-free diet yesterday

> and I am feeling worse. I cannot find anything on the internet

that

> says you feel worse when you start the diet. I'm yeast-free too.

My

> stomach gas and squeezing is horrible no matter what I eat...even

> water. I'm not wanting to eat much due to the pain. I went off my

> yeast-free diet for only 3 and half days.

>

> I do not believe that this is die off only because this is the pain

> that I orignally starting having 14 months ago. I had this pain

> while on the diet too however not this often and severe. You'd

think

> after being on the diet for two months, probiotics for 5 months and

a

> anti-fungal for 2 months would give me some progress. When I tried

> to go back on the anti-fungal....this squeezing pain gets even

worse.

> All I'm taking since going back on the diet is probiotics.

>

> Can probiotics be doing this or am I suffering for going off the

diet?

>

> Thanks,

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

PH,

How did you find a chiroprator who offered so much? I would love to

find one. Did you call around or Google something specific?

Thanks!

Love, Lynn

> > >

> > > Cherie,

> > > One thing you might ask your ND about is NAET therapy. It's

used

> > to

> > > relieve people of food sensitivities. I had your exact same

> > > symptoms, bloating with EVERYTHING I ate. I did an food

> > panel

> > > allergy test to find out what I'm sensitive to and then had

NAET

> > > therapy so that I can eat those foods now w/o reaction. My

son's

> > > occupational therapist recommended it because she had 4 kids w/

> > > severe allergies and behavior problems. They had the NAET

> therapy

> > > and now can eat anything they want and are super successful in

> > school

> > > now...to the point one was kicked out of school for poor

behavior

> > in

> > > 7th grade. Now he's an honor student and class president.

> > >

> > > This Friday I'm going to have NAET therapy for C vitamins

because

> > for

> > > some reason I'm not absorbing it. It basically involves

holding

> a

> > > vial of whatever you are sensitive to while the doc manipulates

> > your

> > > spine w/ a tool. You then fast for 25 hours or at least avoid

> that

> > > particular food or vitamin. After 25 hours you should be able

to

> > > tolerate it. It is kind of expensive though, but what a relief

> to

> > > eat things w/o discomfort and reaction! Love, PH

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In , saxony01 <saxony01@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Cherie,

> > > >

> > > > What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . .

> Obviously

> > > I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's recommendations.

> > > >

> > > > It might be that the increased distress you have with

> probiotics

> > is

> > > because you're taking them with an antifungal. . .

> > > >

> > > > I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal, then

> > > probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is just

as

> > > important as anything else you do.

> > > >

> > > > In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods that

> cause

> > > you distress at the same time. I know it can be confusing. It's

a

> > > mystery . . . but one you can solve.

> > > >

> > > > Hugs,

> > > >

> > > > Rogene

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn!

Hey.... we should be known as the " supplement sisters " ! We sure sound

alike. I am staying postive for our future is going to be bright,

pain-free and " unsensitive " .

Stay warm....sounds way to cold where your at!

Hugs,

Cherie

> >

> > Hi Ladies,

> >

> > I'm in need of some advice. I started my gluten-free diet

yesterday

> > and I am feeling worse. I cannot find anything on the internet

> that

> > says you feel worse when you start the diet. I'm yeast-free too.

> My

> > stomach gas and squeezing is horrible no matter what I eat...even

> > water. I'm not wanting to eat much due to the pain. I went off

my

> > yeast-free diet for only 3 and half days.

> >

> > I do not believe that this is die off only because this is the

pain

> > that I orignally starting having 14 months ago. I had this pain

> > while on the diet too however not this often and severe. You'd

> think

> > after being on the diet for two months, probiotics for 5 months

and

> a

> > anti-fungal for 2 months would give me some progress. When I

tried

> > to go back on the anti-fungal....this squeezing pain gets even

> worse.

> > All I'm taking since going back on the diet is probiotics.

> >

> > Can probiotics be doing this or am I suffering for going off the

> diet?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cherie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

PH,

I do have chiro coverage, I see one now but he is in no way

holistic. I will have to make some calls. It is tough because I

live in such a small town.

I got one of the 3 books I ordered today. Feast Without Yeast -

excited to read it.

Love, Lynn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cherie,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . .

> > > Obviously

> > > > > I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's

> recommendations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It might be that the increased distress you have with

> > > probiotics

> > > > is

> > > > > because you're taking them with an antifungal. . .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal, then

> > > > > probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is

just

> > as

> > > > > important as anything else you do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods

that

> > > cause

> > > > > you distress at the same time. I know it can be confusing.

> It's

> > a

> > > > > mystery . . . but one you can solve.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hugs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rogene

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

Tell me how that book is. I've wanted to get it. Good luck w/

finding a chiro. The ones I saw didn't advertise as holistic either

but offer a lot of holistic services like EFT, reiki, kineseology and

homeopathy. Check them out anyway. Love, PH

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cherie,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . .

> > > > Obviously

> > > > > > I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's

> > recommendations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It might be that the increased distress you have with

> > > > probiotics

> > > > > is

> > > > > > because you're taking them with an antifungal. . .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal,

then

> > > > > > probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is

> just

> > > as

> > > > > > important as anything else you do.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods

> that

> > > > cause

> > > > > > you distress at the same time. I know it can be

confusing.

> > It's

> > > a

> > > > > > mystery . . . but one you can solve.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hugs,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rogene

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

I was browsing and saw your question...

I searched for Chiropractors in my area and looked at any web sites

they had. Then when I found one that did " alternative type medicine " ,

I checked my insurance to see if he was on the list.

I would look around if I were you.... good luck.

His services include:

* Diagnostic Services

* Conditions Successfully Treated

* Techniques Utilized

* Applied Kinesiology (AK)

* Allergy / Sensitivity Elimination and Reprogramming Technique

(A/SERT)

* Cold Laser Therapy

* EB 305 - Energy Balancer

* Nutritional Counseling

* Lifestyle Seminars

* Nutritionals

Diagnostic Services

We provide a high level of diagnostic and treatment services to help

your specific condition.

* Bio Impedence Analysis

* Neurologic Examination

* Orthopedic Examination

* Total Health Scan

If your condition warrants additional diagnostics, hair analysis,

urinalysis, salivary tests and blood tests, they will be recommended.

Conditions Successfully Treated

We have had success helping patients with the following conditions

achieve greater health.

* Acid Reflux Syndrome,

* ADD / ADHD,

* Allergies,

* Asthma,

* Arthritis,

* Autism,

* Auto Immune Disorders,

* Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

* Chronic Neck and Back Pain,

* Central Nervous System Disorders,

* Colic,

* Colitis,

* Crohn's Disease,

* Dyslexia,

* Emotional Difficulties,

* Fibromyalgia,

* Headaches,

* Hormonal Imbalances,

* Infantile Disorders,

* Immune Suppression Disorders,

* Learning Disabilities,

* Migraine Headaches,

* Motor-Coordination Impairments,

* Orthopedic Problems,

* Phobias,

* PMS,

* Scoliosis,

* Neurovascular or Immune Disorders,

* Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder,

* Tourette's Syndrome,

* Traumatic Brain and Spinal Cord Injuries,

* Stress and Tension-Related Problems,

* Sports Injuries,

* Temporomandibular Joint Syndrome (TMJ),

* Post-Surgical Dysfunction,

Just to name a few…

Techniques Utilized

The following is a list of techniques utilized by our office:

* Adjustments of the Spine and Extremities

* Advanced Self Affirmation Techniques

* Allergy/Sensitivity Elimination and Reprogramming Technique

* Applied Kinesiology

* Applied Neurology

* Biocranial Technique

* Biosonic Repatterning (Sound)

* Cervical Disc Techniques

* Chi Therapy

* Chromatherapy (Color)

* Cold Laser Therapy / LLLT

* Couples Reintegration Technique

* Craniosacral Therapy

* Detoxification Therapy

* Electrical Muscle Stimulation

* Emotional Therapy

* Endonasal Therapy

* Environmental Medicine

* Enzyme Therapy

* Eyelight Therapy

* 5 Minute Phobia Cure

* Guided Imagery

* Herbal medicine

* Homeopathy

* Injury Recall Technique

* Ionic Hydrotherapy

* Low Force Instrument Adjusting

* Lumbar Disc Techniques

* Lymphatic Massage

* Magnetic Field Therapy

* Myofascial Release

* Nutritional consultation

* Orthotics

* Ocular Release

* Pain Desensitization

* Pelvic Blocking

* Positive Point Therapy

* Rehabilitation

* Scar Tissue Release

* Scoliosis Repatterning

* Therapeutic Massage

* Visceral Manipulation

We utilize cutting-edge technology to assist the patient in achieving

their maximum health potential.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cherie,

> > > > >

> > > > > What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . .

> > Obviously

> > > > I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's recommendations.

> > > > >

> > > > > It might be that the increased distress you have with

> > probiotics

> > > is

> > > > because you're taking them with an antifungal. . .

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal, then

> > > > probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is just

> as

> > > > important as anything else you do.

> > > > >

> > > > > In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods that

> > cause

> > > > you distress at the same time. I know it can be confusing. It's

> a

> > > > mystery . . . but one you can solve.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hugs,

> > > > >

> > > > > Rogene

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

I was browsing and saw your question...

I searched for Chiropractors in my area and looked at any web sites

they had. Then when I found one that did " alternative type medicine " ,

I checked my insurance to see if he was on the list.

I would look around if I were you.... good luck.

His services include:

* Diagnostic Services

* Conditions Successfully Treated

* Techniques Utilized

* Applied Kinesiology (AK)

* Allergy / Sensitivity Elimination and Reprogramming Technique

(A/SERT)

* Cold Laser Therapy

* EB 305 - Energy Balancer

* Nutritional Counseling

* Lifestyle Seminars

* Nutritionals

Diagnostic Services

We provide a high level of diagnostic and treatment services to help

your specific condition.

* Bio Impedence Analysis

* Neurologic Examination

* Orthopedic Examination

* Total Health Scan

If your condition warrants additional diagnostics, hair analysis,

urinalysis, salivary tests and blood tests, they will be recommended.

Conditions Successfully Treated

We have had success helping patients with the following conditions

achieve greater health.

* Acid Reflux Syndrome,

* ADD / ADHD,

* Allergies,

* Asthma,

* Arthritis,

* Autism,

* Auto Immune Disorders,

* Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

* Chronic Neck and Back Pain,

* Central Nervous System Disorders,

* Colic,

* Colitis,

* Crohn's Disease,

* Dyslexia,

* Emotional Difficulties,

* Fibromyalgia,

* Headaches,

* Hormonal Imbalances,

* Infantile Disorders,

* Immune Suppression Disorders,

* Learning Disabilities,

* Migraine Headaches,

* Motor-Coordination Impairments,

* Orthopedic Problems,

* Phobias,

* PMS,

* Scoliosis,

* Neurovascular or Immune Disorders,

* Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder,

* Tourette's Syndrome,

* Traumatic Brain and Spinal Cord Injuries,

* Stress and Tension-Related Problems,

* Sports Injuries,

* Temporomandibular Joint Syndrome (TMJ),

* Post-Surgical Dysfunction,

Just to name a few…

Techniques Utilized

The following is a list of techniques utilized by our office:

* Adjustments of the Spine and Extremities

* Advanced Self Affirmation Techniques

* Allergy/Sensitivity Elimination and Reprogramming Technique

* Applied Kinesiology

* Applied Neurology

* Biocranial Technique

* Biosonic Repatterning (Sound)

* Cervical Disc Techniques

* Chi Therapy

* Chromatherapy (Color)

* Cold Laser Therapy / LLLT

* Couples Reintegration Technique

* Craniosacral Therapy

* Detoxification Therapy

* Electrical Muscle Stimulation

* Emotional Therapy

* Endonasal Therapy

* Environmental Medicine

* Enzyme Therapy

* Eyelight Therapy

* 5 Minute Phobia Cure

* Guided Imagery

* Herbal medicine

* Homeopathy

* Injury Recall Technique

* Ionic Hydrotherapy

* Low Force Instrument Adjusting

* Lumbar Disc Techniques

* Lymphatic Massage

* Magnetic Field Therapy

* Myofascial Release

* Nutritional consultation

* Orthotics

* Ocular Release

* Pain Desensitization

* Pelvic Blocking

* Positive Point Therapy

* Rehabilitation

* Scar Tissue Release

* Scoliosis Repatterning

* Therapeutic Massage

* Visceral Manipulation

We utilize cutting-edge technology to assist the patient in achieving

their maximum health potential.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cherie,

> > > > >

> > > > > What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . .

> > Obviously

> > > > I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's recommendations.

> > > > >

> > > > > It might be that the increased distress you have with

> > probiotics

> > > is

> > > > because you're taking them with an antifungal. . .

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal, then

> > > > probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is just

> as

> > > > important as anything else you do.

> > > > >

> > > > > In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods that

> > cause

> > > > you distress at the same time. I know it can be confusing. It's

> a

> > > > mystery . . . but one you can solve.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hugs,

> > > > >

> > > > > Rogene

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, ! Seems like you found a great doctor and better yet,

insurance provides coverage.

I found one too. She is not in my network but insurance will pay

60%. I will make that work if I have to!!

How are you? I miss chatting with you. I hope all is well. I hope

your mother's birthday went well too.

Much love, Lynn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cherie,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . .

> > > Obviously

> > > > > I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's

recommendations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It might be that the increased distress you have with

> > > probiotics

> > > > is

> > > > > because you're taking them with an antifungal. . .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal, then

> > > > > probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is

just

> > as

> > > > > important as anything else you do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods

that

> > > cause

> > > > > you distress at the same time. I know it can be confusing.

It's

> > a

> > > > > mystery . . . but one you can solve.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hugs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rogene

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, ! Seems like you found a great doctor and better yet,

insurance provides coverage.

I found one too. She is not in my network but insurance will pay

60%. I will make that work if I have to!!

How are you? I miss chatting with you. I hope all is well. I hope

your mother's birthday went well too.

Much love, Lynn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cherie,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I'm telling you is what Dr. Rubin recommends. . .

> > > Obviously

> > > > > I'm not a doctor, but I do respect Dr. Rubin's

recommendations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It might be that the increased distress you have with

> > > probiotics

> > > > is

> > > > > because you're taking them with an antifungal. . .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it would be worth trying just an antifungal, then

> > > > > probiotics. . . Just keep in mind that eating healthy is

just

> > as

> > > > > important as anything else you do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your case, you probably need to isolate those foods

that

> > > cause

> > > > > you distress at the same time. I know it can be confusing.

It's

> > a

> > > > > mystery . . . but one you can solve.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hugs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rogene

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

OT: Saw some discussion of probiotics. Two new studies were recently published showing that multiple probiotics actually cancel each other out; immune system effects were seen ONLY when single-strain probiotics were used.

This was stunning news to me, as I’ve taken a very expensive 10-strain probiotic ever since I first got CFS 6 years ago. I’ve now switched to a single strain. Here are the research summaries:

http://www.ei-resource.org/news/candida- & -gut-dysbiosis-news/individual-probiotic-bacteria-have-biggest-immune-effects/

http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/14/1192.asp

Sue

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Well, wait. I went and read the article, and it seems that’s an issue with certain functions of the probiotics (cytokine production?) but not all. They said the multiple strains can still work well for digestive issues and other things. As usual, nothing is totally clear cut.

Still, very interesting stuff. I think I’ll switch to a single strain and see what happens.

Judy

Re: Probiotics

Posted by: " Sue " jacksonde@... suzanjackson

Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:02 am (PDT)

OT: Saw some discussion of probiotics. Two new studies were recently

published showing that multiple probiotics actually cancel each other out;

immune system effects were seen ONLY when single-strain probiotics were

used.

This was stunning news to me, as I’ve taken a very expensive 10-strain

probiotic ever since I first got CFS 6 years ago. I’ve now switched to a

single strain. Here are the research summaries:

http://www.ei-resource.org/news/candida- & -gut-dysbiosis-news/individual-prob

iotic-bacteria-have-biggest-immune-effects/

http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/14/1192.asp

Sue

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also studies released show that probiotics can worsen an impending or active pancreatitis--a few people died!! if youre prone to pancreatitis and have the usual pain/warning signs--STOP all probiotics immediately until well after youre over it!!

( google pancreatitis probitoics if you need info)

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I stopped all supps/pills etc and switched to daily cup of Kefir--has about 10 organisms naturally fermented into it--tastes like a yogurt drink but not too high in sugars..depending upon flavor

and has done a LOT for me--Im on long term abx for Lyme and also have GI absorpiton problems etc--my GI stuff has calmed down considerably, able to regain weight and my nutritional status is now within normal limits

BUT should I even get a hint of my recurring pancreatitis I will temporarily and immed stop

( as I just posted new studies linking probiotics and pancreatitis to death)

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Hello,

I'm writing an article about probiotics (for "Living Without" magazine) and I'd like to read the research you refer to. Where can I find it?Thanks, -----Original Message-----From: casehealth@...Sent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:06:40 +1000low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Probiotics

Just thought this might be of interest to anyone presently taking

probiotics (eg acidophilous etc) ...

Every so often I take a local product, Inner Health Probiotics (non-dairy,

refrigerated) - always in the morning because to me, being a digestive aid,

it makes sense to take it when the digestive system is powering up and at

its best.

Now some recent research has raised a question mark around probiotics (no

brand mentioned) - on suspicion they could cause an adverse affect in the

small intestine.

I remembered one occasion when I took a probiotic at night, just before

bed, and it didn't sit well with me.

For me, the recent research added weight to taking probiotics in the

morning (rather than at night) - a full day for processing so they don't

linger too long in the tummy or small intestine. Just some food for thought

(no pun intended lol!),

kind regards,

Cris

casehealth.com.au

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Don't take everything you read about these various trials that knock proven results that have been used for years, if not centuries.

When something starts cutting in on Big pharmas profits, they gonna get ugly. Many of these trials are rigged and have no chance of succeeding.

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RE: [low dose naltrexone] Probiotics

Hello,

I'm writing an article about probiotics (for "Living Without" magazine) and I'd like to read the research you refer to. Where can I find it?Thanks,

-----Original Message-----From: casehealthoptusnet.auSent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:06:40 +1000low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Probiotics

Just thought this might be of interest to anyone presently takingprobiotics (eg acidophilous etc) ...Every so often I take a local product, Inner Health Probiotics (non-dairy,refrigerated) - always in the morning because to me, being a digestive aid,it makes sense to take it when the digestive system is powering up and atits best.Now some recent research has raised a question mark around probiotics (nobrand mentioned) - on suspicion they could cause an adverse affect in thesmall intestine.I remembered one occasion when I took a probiotic at night, just beforebed, and it didn't sit well with me.For me, the recent research added weight to taking probiotics in themorning (rather than at night) - a full day for processing so they don'tlinger too long in the tummy or small intestine. Just some food for thought(no pun intended lol!),kind regards,Criscasehealth.com.au

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I use Kirkman Labs', which my DAN doc approved. Best

>

> Hello I was wondering if anyone had a specific brand of probiotics

that they use and are happy with?

>

> Thank You,

>

> Brittainy

>

>

>

>

>

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Threelac

[ ] probiotics

Hello I was wondering if anyone had a specific brand of probiotics that they

use and are happy with?

Thank You,

Brittainy

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>

> I know it's different for everyone, but what is the highest dosage of

> probiotics you've given a child for gut healing/yeast fighting?

>

***600 billion CFU's a day, working up to this.

Sherry

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That's an awesome question!! I was wondering the same thing today as

well. After you heal the gut do you just stay on probiotics forever

or whats the deal?

>

> Does anyone know the usage of probiotics?

>

> How long can you stay on these w/o the body building up an immunity

towards

> them? Can you stay on any of these for a month at a time, 6 months,

a year?

>

>

> S. Boulardi...........Mind-linx for examples

>

> Thanks,

> Judy

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>

>

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Hello Amber,

I would like to know better about the 3/4 days chelation protocol.

Thanks

Céline

> > Can anyone tell me why and how often to rotate probiotic? I had

never

> > heard of that before. Thanks in advance,

> > Diane

> >

> >