Re: those here with Grave's

[Guest guest]

Is it possible/common for people with Grave's or HyperT to have it along with

LOW BP rather than high? I am wondering because my BP has stayed low as always,

but I have adrenal and aldosterone/renin problems, plus low blood volume and NMH

which are untreated because I can't tolerate florinef. I just wondered if this

is why my BP is still low even with Grave's?

Thanks,

Re: ALA -- link to pubmed article

This is dangerous & can lead to mercury messing up your brain further. This

is the info from the groups frequent-dose-chelation & the other connected

group. I would research further before going down this route. Have a look at

this group.

Val

I have taken them too and have been advised by my chelation doc and biol

dentist, that one needs to start chelating before the amalgams come out, to

reduce the overall mercury load. They said there is enough mercury in the

body from the fillings, for the ALA to chelate, without it going for the

mercury in the amalgams. That makes sense to me and I regret not having

started before the fillings came out cause I got way more merc contamination

since I had too heavy a merc load anyway

[Guest guest]

>>Is it possible/common for people with Grave's or HyperT to have it

along with LOW BP rather than high?

Hi ,

I have always struggled with low blood pressure, even with Grave's when I

was most hyperT. The only time I even had remotely 'high' blood pressure

was when I was taking Licorice.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

I have Grave's and never really had low BP, but always had essentially good BP.

I think this is

because I had low cortisol though.

SAMMIE

>

> Is it possible/common for people with Grave's or HyperT to have it along with

LOW BP

rather than high? I am wondering because my BP has stayed low as always, but I

have

adrenal and aldosterone/renin problems, plus low blood volume and NMH which are

untreated because I can't tolerate florinef. I just wondered if this is why my

BP is still low

even with Grave's?

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

Dahlia,

How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started me on 5 mgs.

methimazole two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on 5 mgs.

per day. I've read in Shomon's book that even for mild HyperT the initial

starting dose is 5 mgs. 3x day.

So he told me when he started me to go get a TSH test in 4 weeks. That would be

2 weeks from today. So far, I have no relief.

Re: those here with Grave's

>>Is it possible/common for people with Grave's or HyperT to have it

along with LOW BP rather than high?

Hi ,

I have always struggled with low blood pressure, even with Grave's when I

was most hyperT. The only time I even had remotely 'high' blood pressure

was when I was taking Licorice.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for her name and this info. I found her website and will order

the book.

Thanks again

Re: those here with Grave's

That's essentially correct -

The protocol for Graves is to start at higher levels of Methimazole - 30 mgs -

to get thyroid

levels under control within a few weeks, and then taper down to 5 mgs or so as

a

maintenance dose. But that depends on your thyroid levels. What are they?

Also, I recommend Elaine 's book - she's a Graves expert and patient

advocate similar

to what Shomon is for hypo. Elaine knows a lot more than about

Graves.

>

>

> How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started me on 5 mgs.

methimazole

two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on 5 mgs. per day.

[Guest guest]

BE CAREFUL.

30 mgs is HIGH and you won't be on it for long unless your levels

are super high (I've never known someone to do well on this high

dose.

Been there....been there.

It will make you super Hypo and if gone too far, it be difficult to

bounce back.

Like CAthy said, do you have labs to share?

SAMMIE

> >

>

> >

> > How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started

me on 5 mgs. methimazole

> two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on 5

mgs. per day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>Dahlia,

How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started me on 5 mgs.

methimazole two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on 5

mgs. per day. I've read in Shomon's book that even for mild HyperT

the initial starting dose is 5 mgs. 3x day.

So he told me when he started me to go get a TSH test in 4 weeks. That

would be 2 weeks from today. So far, I have no relief.

>>

Hi ,

you didn't see the reply I posted to you last week? I felt better almost

right away, but unfortunately I can't remember how much I started with.

My endo left the dosing to me, and I had my tsh tested frequently so that

I could try and figure out the dosing.

I suggested you call him and tell him you feel no better and ask him for

guidelines for raising. imo, there's no reason to feel bad for this

long.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

I have what Dr. Arem calls " Low grade hyperthyrodism " with a TSH of .20 but

normal hormone levels except I'll never know if Free T3 was elevated because

this endo doesn't run it.

I've experienced for the past year, muscle weakness, extreme fatigue,

personality changes, severe anxiety, irritability, heart palps, weight loss

without change in diet (25 lbs.) and severe brain fog; difficulty concentrating,

focusing, etc. In the beginning, I had a very elevated libido and was somewhat

hypomanic. Now after one year of that, I am exhausted and this condition is now

disabling certain days I can't do anything at all due to weakness and fatigue.

I had to stop work. I could no longer cope with the demands and I was only

working 3 days a week/5 hours a day.

I also could no longer keep up with my night classes and had to quit that for

now. I almost broke up with my beau 4 times in the last year for no reason. He

didn't understand what was happening to me or why I had completely changed. I

kept telling him he'd changed and was making ridiculous, unreasonable demands

and was very irritable and agitated all the time and would break down crying at

the slightest sign of conflict and was hypersensitive to any kind of criticism

or rejection whatsoever. None of this is me. I am relieved to finally know

because it gives me comfort. I cannot wait to be well again and be able to go

back to work and school. Right now it's just one hour at a time. I still

wonder why he only started me on 5 mgs. methimazole once a day though. It's

been two weeks since I started it at this point.

Thanks for all the support

Re: those here with Grave's

BE CAREFUL.

30 mgs is HIGH and you won't be on it for long unless your levels

are super high (I've never known someone to do well on this high

dose.

Been there....been there.

It will make you super Hypo and if gone too far, it be difficult to

bounce back.

Like CAthy said, do you have labs to share?

SAMMIE

> >

>

> >

> > How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started

me on 5 mgs. methimazole

> two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on 5

mgs. per day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your Endo is a moron. Using TSH to gauge your thyroid levels or to

establigh dosing is horribly bad medicine.

You need to be testing Free T4 and Free T3. TSH is useless while on

methimazole or thyroid meds. Have you been tested for the

antibodies? How did he confirm your Grave's diagnosis?

When you say you feel bad, what are your symptoms?

Have you joined the Grave's group yet?

SAMMIE

>

> >>Dahlia,

>

> How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started me on

5 mgs.

> methimazole two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started

me on 5

> mgs. per day. I've read in Shomon's book that even for mild

HyperT

> the initial starting dose is 5 mgs. 3x day.

> So he told me when he started me to go get a TSH test in 4 weeks.

That

> would be 2 weeks from today. So far, I have no relief.

>

> >>

>

> Hi ,

>

> you didn't see the reply I posted to you last week? I felt better

almost

> right away, but unfortunately I can't remember how much I started

with.

> My endo left the dosing to me, and I had my tsh tested frequently

so that

> I could try and figure out the dosing.

>

> I suggested you call him and tell him you feel no better and ask

him for

> guidelines for raising. imo, there's no reason to feel bad for

this

> long.

>

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shomon doesn't really know much about Graves. 5mgs is the

typical maintenance dose after normal levels are achieved. Do join

the Graves group and read Elaine 's book. Also, she has several

articles at www.suite101.com. Endos believe that Graves disease is

the most difficult thyroid disorder to treat, in fact very few of

them know much of anything about it aside from zapping people with

RAI and medicating using TSH. When you join the Graves Yahoo Group,

you'll see that most people there have fired several endos for the

same reason yours is so bad. Many self order lab tests and dose

accordingly.

Depending on your Ft4 and Ft3 labs, you can feel better in a few

weeks if you are on the right dose of ATDs. The problem is your

doctor doesn't know how to monitor you properly to make sure you

don't go hypo. If you go hypo, antibodies will soar and you'll have

all kinds of problems you haven't even thought of yet.

Like others noted, you need the following tests:

FT4

FT3

TSI (antibody test)positive test is definitive for graves

TRab (antibody test)marker of autoimmune thryoid inflammation

>

> >>Dahlia,

>

> How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started me on

5 mgs.

> methimazole two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started

me on 5

> mgs. per day. I've read in Shomon's book that even for mild

HyperT

> the initial starting dose is 5 mgs. 3x day.

> So he told me when he started me to go get a TSH test in 4 weeks.

That

> would be 2 weeks from today. So far, I have no relief.

>

> >>

>

> Hi ,

>

> you didn't see the reply I posted to you last week? I felt better

almost

> right away, but unfortunately I can't remember how much I started

with.

> My endo left the dosing to me, and I had my tsh tested frequently

so that

> I could try and figure out the dosing.

>

> I suggested you call him and tell him you feel no better and ask

him for

> guidelines for raising. imo, there's no reason to feel bad for this

> long.

>

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear all this - your experience is typical of people

with Graves. It sounds like you really have 'Graves rage' which is

complete irritation at everything! LOL.

I did some crazy things when I was hyper, it was terrible!

The symptoms you note don't really happen with 'low grade

hyperthyroidism'. If you were being properly treated, you wouldn't be

having these symptoms. .20 is actually pretty low TSH. Normal range

is .50-5.0. and combined with your symptoms, you are in danger of

heart problems. Are you taking any beta blockers?

> > >

> >

> > >

> > > How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started

> me on 5 mgs. methimazole

> > two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on 5

> mgs. per day.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

He diagnosed you with Grave's based on a TSH of .20? Please tell me

you are joking.

Have you every had a full thyroid panel taken? Grave's or other

thyroid antibodies?

I wouldn't have given you ANY methimazole with a TSH of .20. That's

not even that low. It's barely out of the so-called normal ranges.

What are your cortisol labs? These symptoms seem similar to high

cortisol - possibly Cushings?

Have you had your sex hormones tested?

SAMMIE

>

> I have what Dr. Arem calls " Low grade hyperthyrodism " with a TSH

of .20 but normal hormone levels except I'll never know if Free T3

was elevated because this endo doesn't run it.

>

> I've experienced for the past year, muscle weakness, extreme

fatigue, personality changes, severe anxiety, irritability, heart

palps, weight loss without change in diet (25 lbs.) and severe brain

fog; difficulty concentrating, focusing, etc. In the beginning, I

had a very elevated libido and was somewhat hypomanic. Now after

one year of that, I am exhausted and this condition is now disabling

certain days I can't do anything at all due to weakness and

fatigue.

>

> I had to stop work. I could no longer cope with the demands and I

was only working 3 days a week/5 hours a day.

> I also could no longer keep up with my night classes and had to

quit that for now. I almost broke up with my beau 4 times in the

last year for no reason. He didn't understand what was happening to

me or why I had completely changed. I kept telling him he'd changed

and was making ridiculous, unreasonable demands and was very

irritable and agitated all the time and would break down crying at

the slightest sign of conflict and was hypersensitive to any kind of

criticism or rejection whatsoever. None of this is me. I am

relieved to finally know because it gives me comfort. I cannot wait

to be well again and be able to go back to work and school. Right

now it's just one hour at a time. I still wonder why he only

started me on 5 mgs. methimazole once a day though. It's been two

weeks since I started it at this point.

> Thanks for all the support

>

> Re: those here with Grave's

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, I disagree somewhat with you (no offense!)

The new ranges for TSH are .3-3.0, but mostly people with thyroid

issues feel pretty HypoT at 3.0.

Here's a link:

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthyroid/a/labs2003.htm

So, just knowing you she is at .20 doesn't seem that low to me to

put you her on Methimazole. But maybe you are at the beginning

stages. I agree that it seems odd that she'd be having these

symptoms what a TSH at that level, but this is why you must have

Free T4, Free T3 and the other antibodies tested. Maybe your Free

T4 and Free T3 are really high and justify it.

Also, I misspoke in my earlier post, it sounds like some symptoms of

s, NOT Cushings. Sorry about that.

Maybe splitting the dose will help - take 2.5mgs twice a day and see

if it helps.

SAMMIE

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo

started

> > me on 5 mgs. methimazole

> > > two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on

5

> > mgs. per day.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sorry Dahlia. I must have missed that post. I'm surprised you felt better

right away though because everything I've read says that methimazole takes

between 2-4 weeks to work. The endo told me I should feel better in about 4

weeks.

I will call him though. I was wondering if you noticed whether the physical or

mental/emotional effects get better first?

Thanks,

Re: those here with Grave's

>>Dahlia,

How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started me on 5 mgs.

methimazole two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on 5

mgs. per day. I've read in Shomon's book that even for mild HyperT

the initial starting dose is 5 mgs. 3x day.

So he told me when he started me to go get a TSH test in 4 weeks. That

would be 2 weeks from today. So far, I have no relief.

>>

Hi ,

you didn't see the reply I posted to you last week? I felt better almost

right away, but unfortunately I can't remember how much I started with.

My endo left the dosing to me, and I had my tsh tested frequently so that

I could try and figure out the dosing.

I suggested you call him and tell him you feel no better and ask him for

guidelines for raising. imo, there's no reason to feel bad for this

long.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

He told me that he was going to bring my TSH up to 2 and see how I improve. He

said there was no reason to do anymore testing because I've got the two types of

antibodies against me (which I brought him) and I've got a multinodular goiter

and my TSH is too low with lots of symptoms of HyperT and my hands also shake.

Re: those here with Grave's

Your Endo is a moron. Using TSH to gauge your thyroid levels or to

establigh dosing is horribly bad medicine.

You need to be testing Free T4 and Free T3. TSH is useless while on

methimazole or thyroid meds. Have you been tested for the

antibodies? How did he confirm your Grave's diagnosis?

When you say you feel bad, what are your symptoms?

Have you joined the Grave's group yet?

SAMMIE

>

> >>Dahlia,

>

> How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started me on

5 mgs.

> methimazole two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started

me on 5

> mgs. per day. I've read in Shomon's book that even for mild

HyperT

> the initial starting dose is 5 mgs. 3x day.

> So he told me when he started me to go get a TSH test in 4 weeks.

That

> would be 2 weeks from today. So far, I have no relief.

>

> >>

>

> Hi ,

>

> you didn't see the reply I posted to you last week? I felt better

almost

> right away, but unfortunately I can't remember how much I started

with.

> My endo left the dosing to me, and I had my tsh tested frequently

so that

> I could try and figure out the dosing.

>

> I suggested you call him and tell him you feel no better and ask

him for

> guidelines for raising. imo, there's no reason to feel bad for

this

> long.

>

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am taking inderal. and yes, everything and everyone has irritated me in

the last year plus, and at first, I would have the rage, but as time has gone

on, I can no longer cope with any type of conflict so I now avoid it and have

withdrawn from everybody. My body doesn't have the strength now to be angry

anymore or like I was in the beginning. The high libido comes and goes. I

notice that on days like today when I am pumping out more thyorid hormone, I've

got the lubrication and high libido but I am much too exhausted to care, let

alone act on it. It's now become more of a nuisance than anything else.

Re: those here with Grave's

I'm sorry to hear all this - your experience is typical of people

with Graves. It sounds like you really have 'Graves rage' which is

complete irritation at everything! LOL.

I did some crazy things when I was hyper, it was terrible!

The symptoms you note don't really happen with 'low grade

hyperthyroidism'. If you were being properly treated, you wouldn't be

having these symptoms. .20 is actually pretty low TSH. Normal range

is .50-5.0. and combined with your symptoms, you are in danger of

heart problems. Are you taking any beta blockers?

> > >

> >

> > >

> > > How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo started

> me on 5 mgs. methimazole

> > two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on 5

> mgs. per day.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sammie,

I don't have Cushing's. I had adrenal insufficiency and my cortisol levels were

borderline 's. I've been on low dose Cortef for almost 2 years and

currently only take 7.5 mgs. a day as I have cut back from 15 mgs. in the last 5

months. Dr. Arem states that there is something called " Low Grade

Hyperthyroidism " in which TSH drops (His range is anything under .39 is suspect

for excess thyroid hormone) and I've had these symptoms going on for over a year

now. For me, a TSH of .20 is Hyper and it has made me pretty sick. I have come

to believe that it's all very individual. While someone might feel great (who

is not on thyroid hormone) with a TSH of .30, that same level in me is hyper.

Granted, he wouldn't run free T3 so I don't know what those levels are. Right

now, I am looking for relief. I cannot stand this anymore day after day. The

anxiety is so severe some days that I am terrified to try and drive. My endo

said that regardless of what's causing my HyperT (since I also have a

multi-nodular goiter) per ultrasounds, the methimazole is going to correct it

and he wants to see how I feel when he brings my TSH up to 2. I've been on it

for 2 weeks now and he wants a TSH test in two weeks. He seems pretty nice and

he's listed on Shomon's " top thyroid doc list "

Re: those here with Grave's

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think it might be good for more people to be diagnosed Hypo with the new

range, but I don't know about the .30 cutoff for Hyper. I felt quite hyper at

..50, and that was the old range cutoff for hyper.

Re: those here with Grave's

Actually, I disagree somewhat with you (no offense!)

The new ranges for TSH are .3-3.0, but mostly people with thyroid

issues feel pretty HypoT at 3.0.

Here's a link:

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthyroid/a/labs2003.htm

So, just knowing you she is at .20 doesn't seem that low to me to

put you her on Methimazole. But maybe you are at the beginning

stages. I agree that it seems odd that she'd be having these

symptoms what a TSH at that level, but this is why you must have

Free T4, Free T3 and the other antibodies tested. Maybe your Free

T4 and Free T3 are really high and justify it.

Also, I misspoke in my earlier post, it sounds like some symptoms of

s, NOT Cushings. Sorry about that.

Maybe splitting the dose will help - take 2.5mgs twice a day and see

if it helps.

SAMMIE

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > How long before I can expect to feel better? My endo

started

> > me on 5 mgs. methimazole

> > > two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on

5

> > mgs. per day.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'm confused. You felt Hyper at .5 and .2?

It doesn't matter though, it matters how you feel which is why the

ranges are arbitrary.

SAMMIE

>

> I think it might be good for more people to be diagnosed Hypo with

the new range, but I don't know about the .30 cutoff for Hyper. I

felt quite hyper at .50, and that was the old range cutoff for hyper.

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

>>I don't have Cushing's. I had adrenal insufficiency and my cortisol levels

were borderline 's. I've been on low dose Cortef for almost 2 years and

currently only take 7.5 mgs. a day as I have cut back from 15 mgs. in the last 5

months. <<

ALL your symtoms sound to me like low cortiosl symptoms. I do nto think

you have low grade hyperthyroidism but LOW CORTISOL. I hate to see you take

those thyrod lowering meds just to find out another theory isn;t going to work,

but I feel strongly that you are not on the right track here. how can ANY doctor

know what is going on with your thyroid that doesn;t even test T3 which is THEE

most important hormone the thyroid makes?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>He told me that he was going to bring my TSH up to 2 and see how I improve.

He said there was no reason to do anymore testing because I've got the two types

of antibodies against me (which I brought him) and I've got a multinodular

goiter and my TSH is too low with lots of symptoms of HyperT and my hands also

shake.<,

well bringing your TSH up will enlarge your thyroid. Low cortisol causes hands

to shake especially if there is low aldosterone with it. TSH will drop with low

cortisol too as the T3 can;t get into the cells to work so it sends a message to

the pituitary to lower your TSH.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Val,

I wish you were right since I could easily increase my Cortef. But that would

not explain the rest of my suffering for over one year now.

This all started with me having a crazed libido during which time I literally

became obsessed. I was 46 years old and before this started my theme was " what

sex drive " ? I am a very conservative person and have been in a monogamous

relationship for 13 years and all of a sudden, I developed a raging libido and

spent time on-line going to porn sites while my beau was at work. This was

totally out of character for me and now I am disgusted that I would engage in

this kind of behavior. My mind began to race and in the beginning I could do

five things at once and I was very speedy. Everybody moved and talked too slow

for me. I was also experiencing severe anxiety with panic attacks and lots of

anger, irritability and mood swings. I was on 15-20 mgs. of Cortef when all

of this was going on and remained on that dose until about 5 months ago. As

time went on, it started to change. I became unable to focus or concentrate. I

could no longer even write out a check for a bill and I started losing weight.

My hands and tongue were trembling and I was having lots of " burning up " and

getting lots of shortness of breath. My heart was beating fast and I was

experiencing chest pain. They sent me for lung function tests which came out

PERFECT and they didn't even believe that I smoked. My stress test and echo

were normal except that they showed severe deconditioning. Ever since this all

started I cannot exercise as I have become intolerant to it and I fatigue very

very easily. Before that, I could walk and walk no problem. A few years ago

when I developed the adrenal insufficiency, there was no such thing as a sex

drive. I know what low cortisol feels like. I've also been complaining to doc

about my eyes for the last year. They are puffy on the lids and red and sore.

I also sit and stare a lot and rarely blink. People say I have intense eye

contact (whatever that means). In the last month I lost 15 lbs. and I was

ravenous and eating a lot. Before that I lost 25 lbs. in one year without

changing anything in my diet. That's when I was on plenty of cortisol.

I am getting desperate for relief. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to increase

Cortef back up to 15 mgs. and just see if it makes any difference.

Thanks,

Re: Re: those here with Grave's

>>I don't have Cushing's. I had adrenal insufficiency and my cortisol levels

were borderline 's. I've been on low dose Cortef for almost 2 years and

currently only take 7.5 mgs. a day as I have cut back from 15 mgs. in the last 5

months. <<

ALL your symtoms sound to me like low cortiosl symptoms. I do nto think

you have low grade hyperthyroidism but LOW CORTISOL. I hate to see you take

those thyrod lowering meds just to find out another theory isn;t going to work,

but I feel strongly that you are not on the right track here. how can ANY doctor

know what is going on with your thyroid that doesn;t even test T3 which is THEE

most important hormone the thyroid makes?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Yes, I misspoke earlier and corrected myself earlier by saying your

symptoms sound more like s.

I'll say it again, you do NOT know what your thyroid levels are

based on TSH. I don't care how highly recommended he comes or how

nice he is. This is not adequate care in ANYONE's opinion who knows

a damn about thyroid levels. TSH is a pituitary hormone NOT

thyroid. Why he'd want to get your TSH up to 2 and not know your

Free Ts is insanity. What 2 antibodies do you have that you are

talking about? It sounds like he's going to make you HypoT, which

will make everything 1000% worse. Certainly it will make your

adrenals worse.

You can trust your doctor and continue to be confused, or you can

demand all the tests we've suggested to CONFIRM what is going on.

The goiter is confusing too. Are you eating a lot of iodine? This

can disrupt thyroid levels/TSH test results.

And if you are still eating high protein/low carbs, you may want to

re-think it. I've said it a few times, but when I did this, a few

months later I was diagnosed with Grave's. I still think there is a

possible connection there, as confirmed in Broda's book.

Try and find a doc recommendation from the Grave's group. Most

Endos specialize in diabetes and very few that specialize in thyroid

disease have a clue about Grave's.

It sounds like you need more cortisol for sure. 7.5mgs is a very

low dose.

SAMMIE

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> Sammie,

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> I don't have Cushing's. I had adrenal insufficiency and my

cortisol levels were borderline 's. I've been on low dose

Cortef for almost 2 years and currently only take 7.5 mgs. a day as

I have cut back from 15 mgs. in the last 5 months. Dr. Arem states

that there is something called " Low Grade Hyperthyroidism " in which

TSH drops (His range is anything under .39 is suspect for excess

thyroid hormone) and I've had these symptoms going on for over a

year now. For me, a TSH of .20 is Hyper and it has made me pretty

sick. I have come to believe that it's all very individual. While

someone might feel great (who is not on thyroid hormone) with a TSH

of .30, that same level in me is hyper. Granted, he wouldn't run

free T3 so I don't know what those levels are. Right now, I am

looking for relief. I cannot stand this anymore day after day. The

anxiety is so severe some days that I am terrified to try and

drive. My endo said that regardless of what's causing my HyperT

(since I also have a multi-nodular goiter) per ultrasounds, the

methimazole is going to correct it and he wants to see how I feel

when he brings my TSH up to 2. I've been on it for 2 weeks now and

he wants a TSH test in two weeks. He seems pretty nice and he's

listed on Shomon's " top thyroid doc list "

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> Re: those here with Grave's

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[Guest guest]

I stand corrected - I looked at the new range and then typed in the

old one.

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> > > me on 5 mgs. methimazole

> > > > two weeks ago. I don't understand why he only started me on

> 5

> > > mgs. per day.

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[Guest guest]

Th e high libido is from soaring estrogen. Low cortiosl creates an

excess of estrogen when it goes on long enough. ESTROGEN is the libido

maker in women. Often we have low thyroid WITH low corisl which cancels

out the libido so many do not get this symptoms. BUT if you have almost

enough thyroid I can see where libido could easily become a problem wiht

low cortisol.

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