Re: those here with Grave's

[Guest guest]

>>How would any of this explain the fact that I could never tolerate even 1/4 of

a grain of thyroid when I thought I was exhausted due to hypo even when I was on

20 mgs. of Cortef a day. <<

I bet if you ask omn this board there are plenty of others here that could not

tolerate ANY thyroid on 20MG HC. If it is not enough, it is the same as taking

none. If I remember yor cortisol labs from a couple years ago were BAD. Stage 7?

Am I remember ing correctly? It has been a while.

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[Guest guest]

>>I was also experiencing severe anxiety with panic attacks and lots of anger,

irritability and mood swings. I was on 15-20 mgs. of Cortef when all of this

was going on and remained on that dose until about 5 months ago. As time went

on, it started to change. I became unable to focus or concentrate. I could no

longer even write out a check for a bill

and I started losing weight.<<

The weight loss indicates extremely bad adrenal function. I am bettign your high

energy was due to thyroid dumps from taking the HC but not enough to sustain the

steady levels needed to feel good.

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[Guest guest]

AHA!! My estrogen levels are over 250.

Re: Re: those here with Grave's

Th e high libido is from soaring estrogen. Low cortiosl creates an

excess of estrogen when it goes on long enough. ESTROGEN is the libido

maker in women. Often we have low thyroid WITH low corisl which cancels

out the libido so many do not get this symptoms. BUT if you have almost

enough thyroid I can see where libido could easily become a problem wiht

low cortisol.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, VERY VERY BAD. It felt like I had 's. I couldn't cope with any

type of confrontation or stress whatsoever without becoming severely

hypoglycemic, my whole body shaking and then collapsing and taking days to

recover at all.

Re: Re: those here with Grave's

>>How would any of this explain the fact that I could never tolerate even 1/4

of a grain of thyroid when I thought I was exhausted due to hypo even when I was

on 20 mgs. of Cortef a day. <<

I bet if you ask omn this board there are plenty of others here that could not

tolerate ANY thyroid on 20MG HC. If it is not enough, it is the same as taking

none. If I remember yor cortisol labs from a couple years ago were BAD. Stage 7?

Am I remember ing correctly? It has been a while.

--

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Have you tried T3 only or is that contraindicted in Graves?

-- Re: Re: those here with Grave's

Val,

How would any of this explain the fact that I could never tolerate even 1/4

of a grain of thyroid when I thought I was exhausted due to hypo even when I

was on 20 mgs. of Cortef a day. I would take 1/4 of a grain and my heart

would race and I would get all revved up. The only reason I believed I was

Hypo is because I was so tired and because I was overweight to start with.

Re: Re: those here with Grave's

>>He told me that he was going to bring my TSH up to 2 and see how I improve

He said there was no reason to do anymore testing because I've got the two

types of antibodies against me (which I brought him) and I've got a

multinodular goiter and my TSH is too low with lots of symptoms of HyperT

and my hands also shake.<,

well bringing your TSH up will enlarge your thyroid. Low cortisol causes

hands to shake especially if there is low aldosterone with it. TSH will drop

with low cortisol too as the T3 can;t get into the cells to work so it sends

a message to the pituitary to lower your TSH.

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[Guest guest]

I had extremely low estrogen and extremely low cortisol along with all other

steroid hormones. I was given testosterone for libido. The estrogen cremes

did not increase my libido, only test did.

-- Re: Re: those here with Grave's

Th e high libido is from soaring estrogen. Low cortiosl creates an

excess of estrogen when it goes on long enough. ESTROGEN is the libido

maker in women. Often we have low thyroid WITH low corisl which cancels

out the libido so many do not get this symptoms. BUT if you have almost

enough thyroid I can see where libido could easily become a problem wiht

low cortisol.

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention that I have high testosterone levels but I don't know why!

Maybe that's the high libido stuff sometimes.

Re: Re: those here with Grave's

Th e high libido is from soaring estrogen. Low cortiosl creates an

excess of estrogen when it goes on long enough. ESTROGEN is the libido

maker in women. Often we have low thyroid WITH low corisl which cancels

out the libido so many do not get this symptoms. BUT if you have almost

enough thyroid I can see where libido could easily become a problem wiht

low cortisol.

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>I forgot to mention that I have high testosterone levels but I don't know

why!<<

I always had high testosterone hen I was hypothyroid! Mine has come down now

thta my thyroid is well treated.

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[Guest guest]

>>I was wondering if you noticed whether the physical or mental/emotional

effects get better first?>>

,

Great question! I think physically I felt less ragged/jagged and over

time, the emotional stuff calmed down. I agree with people here that you

ought to take a look at the Graves forum.

Just so you know, I too had normal free's but my tsh was lower than yours

when I was put on tapazole. I seem to remember feeling better quickly,

certainly within 2 weeks. You too should be feeling better given that

it's already been 2 weeks, right?

Still, I would pester the md and see if you can raise your dose sooner.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>And if you are still eating high protein/low carbs, you may want to

re-think it. I've said it a few times, but when I did this, a few

months later I was diagnosed with Grave's. I still think there is a

possible connection there, as confirmed in Broda's book.>>

Sammie,

Could you explain what you mean here? I haven't seen this referred to

before. I was dx with Graves' about 10 years ago, went thru a hyper

episode, then was normal and now am hypo. Most curious what you mean

about the diet connection. I've eaten 'high' protein/low carbs for years

and years.

Thanks,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

We've been talking about this a this week - relative to high fat

diets specifically the one mentioned in Broda

book, " Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness. "

In it he says that while on a diet of high protein/lower fat,

symptoms of hypothyroidism appeared. Cholesterol increased etc,

basal temp is lowered and metabolism could fall to the point of 800

calories a day to maintain weight(uh, yeah - I've SOO been there!),

meaning anything above 800 calories you would gain! Then if you go

on thyroid meds, and lower protein, symptoms of HyperT appear.

Essentially a diet high in protein utilizes avail thyroid hormone.

Broda recommends 50 grams carbs, 70 grams protein and 90 grams of

fat (about 1300 calories) if one is trying to lose weight. But

ultimately he thinks the diet should be high fat/low carb (doesn't

have to be Atkins extreme at 20 grams a day though). Protein

shouldn't exceed fat. I've just started this yesterday and I'm not

even being hard core about it, and I feel 80% better. I have no idea

if it's a fluke or not.

But, either way, it's the only diet I've never tried.

Wouldn't it be ironic if low fat diets and low carb/high protein

diets we all thought was good for us, actually accelerated our low

thyroid and lowered metabolism?????

Booo!!

SAMMIE

>

> >>And if you are still eating high protein/low carbs, you may want

to

> re-think it. I've said it a few times, but when I did this, a few

> months later I was diagnosed with Grave's. I still think there is

a

> possible connection there, as confirmed in Broda's book.>>

>

> Sammie,

>

> Could you explain what you mean here? I haven't seen this

referred to

> before. I was dx with Graves' about 10 years ago, went thru a

hyper

> episode, then was normal and now am hypo. Most curious what you

mean

> about the diet connection. I've eaten 'high' protein/low carbs

for years

> and years.

>

> Thanks,

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Shaking hands is so low cortisol! I had that happen so many times previous to

diagnosis! I am taking about 17.5 + mgs. of cortisol daily and I haven't had

that happen in so long I almost forgot about it! You are not hyper. You just

need enough cortisol in you. I have been there and done that and was no where

NEAR hyper!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sammie,

<We've been talking about this a week -<

sorry, I missed it, I wasn't paying attention, but now I see what I've

been missing! Where can I read more about this diet?

I don't eat esp low fat, I eat plenty of red meat, butter, coconut oil,

goat milk kefir, etc., but I also eat plenty of veggies and no grains.

Wonder if this applies to me?

>ultimately he thinks the diet should be high fat/low carb (doesn't

have to be Atkins extreme at 20 grams a day though). Protein

shouldn't exceed fat. I've just started this yesterday and I'm not

even being hard core about it, and I feel 80% better. I have no idea

if it's a fluke or not. >

What are you noticing? More energy? Less fatigue? Less hunger?

>Wouldn't it be ironic if low fat diets and low carb/high protein

diets we all thought was good for us, actually accelerated our low

thyroid and lowered metabolism?????

Booo!! >

I think Ray Peat has argued all along that coconut oil speeds up

metabolism, right?

SAMMIE

thanks Sammie for clue-ing me in,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

There are good fats from avacados, nuts, fish. Is that what Broda is referring

to?

jigscam wrote:

We've been talking about this a this week - relative to high fat

diets specifically the one mentioned in Broda

book, " Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness. "

In it he says that while on a diet of high protein/lower fat,

symptoms of hypothyroidism appeared. Cholesterol increased etc,

basal temp is lowered and metabolism could fall to the point of 800

calories a day to maintain weight(uh, yeah - I've SOO been there!),

meaning anything above 800 calories you would gain! Then if you go

on thyroid meds, and lower protein, symptoms of HyperT appear.

Essentially a diet high in protein utilizes avail thyroid hormone.

Broda recommends 50 grams carbs, 70 grams protein and 90 grams of

fat (about 1300 calories) if one is trying to lose weight. But

ultimately he thinks the diet should be high fat/low carb (doesn't

have to be Atkins extreme at 20 grams a day though). Protein

shouldn't exceed fat. I've just started this yesterday and I'm not

even being hard core about it, and I feel 80% better. I have no idea

if it's a fluke or not.

But, either way, it's the only diet I've never tried.

Wouldn't it be ironic if low fat diets and low carb/high protein

diets we all thought was good for us, actually accelerated our low

thyroid and lowered metabolism?????

Booo!!

SAMMIE

>

> >>And if you are still eating high protein/low carbs, you may want

to

> re-think it. I've said it a few times, but when I did this, a few

> months later I was diagnosed with Grave's. I still think there is

a

> possible connection there, as confirmed in Broda's book.>>

>

> Sammie,

>

> Could you explain what you mean here? I haven't seen this

referred to

> before. I was dx with Graves' about 10 years ago, went thru a

hyper

> episode, then was normal and now am hypo. Most curious what you

mean

> about the diet connection. I've eaten 'high' protein/low carbs

for years

> and years.

>

> Thanks,

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sammie:

I would not be surprised if the mainstream recommended diet was pushed to

create a market for choleserol drugs, blood pressure meds, etc. Fortunately

when I was in college and in nutrition classes, eggs were not evil nor was

fat and higher fat diets were recommended along with butter and other such

supposed no-nos. I still cannot get my mom to use the organic butter I

bought her. She let the raw milk cheese I bought her, which ain't cheap,

rot. She was raised on raw milk and very healthy, yet she still fears the

hype she has been taught by the media may be correct. She just started the

Broda diet and she has lost several pounds so she may be converted

yet!

-- Re: Re: those here with Grave's

There are good fats from avacados, nuts, fish. Is that what Broda is

referring to?

jigscam wrote:

We've been talking about this a this week - relative to high fat

diets specifically the one mentioned in Broda

book, " Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness. "

In it he says that while on a diet of high protein/lower fat,

symptoms of hypothyroidism appeared. Cholesterol increased etc,

basal temp is lowered and metabolism could fall to the point of 800

calories a day to maintain weight(uh, yeah - I've SOO been there!),

meaning anything above 800 calories you would gain! Then if you go

on thyroid meds, and lower protein, symptoms of HyperT appear.

Essentially a diet high in protein utilizes avail thyroid hormone.

Broda recommends 50 grams carbs, 70 grams protein and 90 grams of

fat (about 1300 calories) if one is trying to lose weight. But

ultimately he thinks the diet should be high fat/low carb (doesn't

have to be Atkins extreme at 20 grams a day though). Protein

shouldn't exceed fat. I've just started this yesterday and I'm not

even being hard core about it, and I feel 80% better. I have no idea

if it's a fluke or not.

But, either way, it's the only diet I've never tried.

Wouldn't it be ironic if low fat diets and low carb/high protein

diets we all thought was good for us, actually accelerated our low

thyroid and lowered metabolism?????

Booo!!

SAMMIE

>

> >>And if you are still eating high protein/low carbs, you may want

to

> re-think it. I've said it a few times, but when I did this, a few

> months later I was diagnosed with Grave's. I still think there is

a

> possible connection there, as confirmed in Broda's book.>>

>

> Sammie,

>

> Could you explain what you mean here? I haven't seen this

referred to

> before. I was dx with Graves' about 10 years ago, went thru a

hyper

> episode, then was normal and now am hypo. Most curious what you

mean

> about the diet connection. I've eaten 'high' protein/low carbs

for years

> and years.

>

> Thanks,

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

He doesn't discriminate (but we should assume trans fats are out). And I have

to say, he is

not the only author who says saturated fats aren't bad for us despite the media

hype.

SAMMIE

>

> There are good fats from avacados, nuts, fish. Is that what Broda is referring

to?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Seriously I would believe it.

My BP has gone down from 140s/90 to 120/70s which I haven't seen since before

starting

HC all in the days since I've started this diet on Sunday. And I haven't been

super-strict

about it! My pulse is down quite a bit too.

Today at lunch I went out with some old friends and had a hamburger and fries.

Within 15

minutes of my meal, my heart was racing like it has been recently. Now I know

what

causes that for me - high carbs!

IM SOLD!

I'm sure no doc would have prescribed a high-fat/low carb diet to lower my BP.

Thank god for these groups!!!

SAMMIE

>

> Sammie:

>

> I would not be surprised if the mainstream recommended diet was pushed to

> create a market for choleserol drugs, blood pressure meds, etc. Fortunately

> when I was in college and in nutrition classes, eggs were not evil nor was

> fat and higher fat diets were recommended along with butter and other such

> supposed no-nos. I still cannot get my mom to use the organic butter I

> bought her. She let the raw milk cheese I bought her, which ain't cheap,

> rot. She was raised on raw milk and very healthy, yet she still fears the

> hype she has been taught by the media may be correct. She just started the

> Broda diet and she has lost several pounds so she may be converted

> yet!

>

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

[Guest guest]

A good nutritionist would recommend exactly that kind of diet.

Linn

>

> I'm sure no doc would have prescribed a high-fat/low carb diet to

lower my BP.

>

> Thank god for these groups!!!

>

>

> SAMMIE