Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 > Hi , > I too have trouble getting numb at the dentist. Interestingly, I lurk at one > of the Sjogren's syndrome boards and this is also a common complaint there. Hmmm.... Don't think I have that at least. My dentist says I am a hyper salivator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 Hi Terry, Right, their aim has to be somewhat good, but it is such a long running and recurrent thing. I do get numb eventually but it usually takes 2 or 3 times the normal amount of drug and the normal amount of time, too. My dentist just has me come in a half hour early so he can get started with the shots... And speaking of aim, the day I got diagnosed with Graves' the dentist accidentally stabbed me in the lip with the needle. For no good reason, my eyes started to water! Imagine. He was miffed, snorted and left the room without an apology. > I had that experience once--when my regular dentist was away and I had > another one working on me in an emergency. But once my regular guy was back, > I never had the problem again. I therefore wonder if a lot of that has to do > with the skill in " aiming " the needle the dentist has. > > Terry > > > From: daisyelaine@a... > > Reply-To: graves_support@y... > > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:56:52 EDT > > To: graves_support@y... > > Subject: Re: Re: Teeth > > > > Hi , > > I too have trouble getting numb at the dentist. Interestingly, I lurk at one > > of the Sjogren's syndrome boards and this is also a common complaint there. > > > > ------------------------------------- > > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > > intended to replace expert medical care. > > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2001 Report Share Posted July 7, 2001 Hi everyone: I hadn't had any dental work done for some time, but I was at the dentist about a year ago to have a filling. It took 9 shots to get me numb enough for him to work. He started twice and had to stop because I could feel it. I don't ever remember having that trouble before the graves. This was the first time I've had anything done that required anesthesia since I was diagnosed with graves. Just thought I would put that out there--it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but who knows? Beverly Re: Teeth Hi Cheryl, Well, my dentist did say he could show me a ton of mouths just like mine and worse, and they don't have graves'. But on the other hand, what is one to make of the statement " You are the kind of patient who, if it can go wrong, it will go wrong. " That seems to be acknowledging some difference between me and that ton of other mouths. I have trouble getting numb at the dentist. I wonder if that's due to being hyper... Nice to meet you Cheryl. Hi Gang, My teeth are in terrible shape and have been for years and not for lack of care and professional attention. This might have to do with the acid or low, ph of our mouths. I have heard that with a higher the ph the less likey we have of getting cavities. But is that our problem? I don't have a much of problem with cavities; the teeth are just very fragile. This situation could be caused by a yet to be named infection. Who knows. But it is another problem we seem to have in common. ------------------------------------- The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended to replace expert medical care. Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. ---------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2001 Report Share Posted July 7, 2001 Ch] > Hello ;It seems to me that every aspect of life becomes if it can go wrong it will once you have graves!!!I think your right about it being harder to get numb too,I find my tolerance for all medications to be higher now,maybe its just becouse I take so many,Im not sure.You do want to be careful about the epinephrine in the anistetic when having dental work done when your hyper.It can give your heart quit a jolt and be pretty scary. Yes Cheryl, I read about the epinephrine and hyperness. So I asked my dentist to use the stuff without. He did. I walked around with the lower right quarter of my face darkly black and blue for weeks. He said it was because the epinephrine causes the blood vessels to constrict so this kind of thing doesn't usually happen. Being totally suspicious, I figure he's mad that I made him go to the trouble of using the novicaine he had to go searching for and he bruised my face by letting blood from a vessel pool under my skin to make sure I never asked for that extra little frill again. I know how jaded that sounds, but I have some pretty horrible dental experiences in my past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 , what does he use then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 My dentist doesn't use epinephrine freezing on me any more. We are both happier because I am now able to sit in the chair quietly. However, it is very much more expensive. I have never had any bruising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 , You need a new dentist! Mine routinely uses the non-epinephrine stuff on me cause it causes less migraines. Never been black and blue! He never thought it " trouble " either. Not wonder I've been seeing him for 25 years now! Terry > From: kfroilan@... > Reply-To: graves_support > Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 05:59:27 -0000 > To: graves_support > Subject: Re: Teeth > > I know how jaded that > sounds, but I have some pretty horrible dental experiences in my past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 > , > > You need a new dentist! > Terry Terry, He IS the new dentist. I have been seeing him for a year now and he is sooo much better than the last 5. I wonder how many more good years yours has in him? Is he in SF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 > , > > You need a new dentist! > Terry Terry, He IS the new dentist. I have been seeing him for a year now and he is sooo much better than the last 5. I wonder how many more good years yours has in him? Is he in SF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 Hello Keren;I would be more inclined to belive the good Dr nicked a bloodvessel then anything else.Its true that epinephrine constricts bloodvessels,but Ive assisted alot of times with dentist who used anestetic without epinephrine,doing some rather difficult procedures,and no facial brusing occured.I would chalk the brusing up to tecnique........anistetic without epinephrine is indicated for many pts. with heart problems .All dentists should have it on hand ,its no more expensive or dificult to use.The reason they dont like to use it is becouse it doesnt last as long and there is more bleeding during the procedure,(a little more work for them)small price to pay considering how bad a pt. with graves can feel after a jolt of the stuff.I sware to god when it happend to me the first thing I thought about was the scene in PulpFiction where the girl got the shot in the heart with the epniphrine.whew no fun!!!! Re: Teeth Ch] > Hello ;It seems to me that every aspect of life becomes if it can go wrong it will once you have graves!!!I think your right about it being harder to get numb too,I find my tolerance for all medications to be higher now,maybe its just becouse I take so many,Im not sure.You do want to be careful about the epinephrine in the anistetic when having dental work done when your hyper.It can give your heart quit a jolt and be pretty scary. Yes Cheryl, I read about the epinephrine and hyperness. So I asked my dentist to use the stuff without. He did. I walked around with the lower right quarter of my face darkly black and blue for weeks. He said it was because the epinephrine causes the blood vessels to constrict so this kind of thing doesn't usually happen. Being totally suspicious, I figure he's mad that I made him go to the trouble of using the novicaine he had to go searching for and he bruised my face by letting blood from a vessel pool under my skin to make sure I never asked for that extra little frill again. I know how jaded that sounds, but I have some pretty horrible dental experiences in my past. ------------------------------------- The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended to replace expert medical care. Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. ---------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 Yes he is in SF, and he's wonderful. Ray Meyers, 490 Post St. suite 606, . I would, on the other hand, not recommend his son who I think also practices a bit from his office. But everyone there, the office staff, the hygienists, are great and Ray is the best. Terry > From: kfroilan@... > Reply-To: graves_support > Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:29:42 -0000 > To: graves_support > Subject: Re: Teeth > > >> , >> >> You need a new dentist! > Terry > > Terry, > He IS the new dentist. I have been seeing him for a year now and > he is sooo much better than the last 5. I wonder how many more good > years yours has in him? Is he in SF? > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > ---------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 Yes he is in SF, and he's wonderful. Ray Meyers, 490 Post St. suite 606, . I would, on the other hand, not recommend his son who I think also practices a bit from his office. But everyone there, the office staff, the hygienists, are great and Ray is the best. Terry > From: kfroilan@... > Reply-To: graves_support > Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:29:42 -0000 > To: graves_support > Subject: Re: Teeth > > >> , >> >> You need a new dentist! > Terry > > Terry, > He IS the new dentist. I have been seeing him for a year now and > he is sooo much better than the last 5. I wonder how many more good > years yours has in him? Is he in SF? > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > ---------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 You can get a freezing without any adrenaline type drugs. But it is very much more expensive. Apparently adrenaline makes the freezing component take faster and stay in longer. Of course you cannot have your gums numbed so the initial puncture sometimes hurts. After he started using it on me he tried it on some other patients and quiet likes it now. It keeps me in the chair. I think he was at his wits end working on me. I must also say that I once had a little Graves rage in his office. I'll pop up to his office and find out the name. OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 You can get a freezing without any adrenaline type drugs. But it is very much more expensive. Apparently adrenaline makes the freezing component take faster and stay in longer. Of course you cannot have your gums numbed so the initial puncture sometimes hurts. After he started using it on me he tried it on some other patients and quiet likes it now. It keeps me in the chair. I think he was at his wits end working on me. I must also say that I once had a little Graves rage in his office. I'll pop up to his office and find out the name. OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 I totally agree about the dental field in general being uneducated on thyroid problems. I have to travel an hour from home to see an eye doctor who treats Graves. So why should the dentists be any more in number who know about Graves. I have a friend who is a dentist. I think I'm going to email her just to see what she thinks. -- dx hyperT/Graves Feb 2001; (treatment Toprol Xl and PTU) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 Cheryl, I think he knicked the blood vessel, too. I just doubt that it was accidental. He's the one that stabbed me in the lip and didn't apologize the visit before that. Dr Quarles. Yes, pronounced quarrels. I've also had a dentist named Dr. Bills and one named Dr Paine. My workers' comp lawyer was Mr . I won that case. Hmmmm....I think I will look for a dentist with a bit more positive name. Like Dr.Goodfellow. Perhaps for an endo, Dr Doolittle would be best. What do you think?? But seriously folks, I had myself talked into believing that I was a nervous dental patient. I didn't know why it was happening, but i would get very anxious in the chair. Although i had no history of it as a child and I had had some extensive work done to my mouth with braces, a broken jaw and my two adult eye teeth (canines) that grew in horizontally under my nose. (I didn't know they were there until they were found by xray. They operated to place them correctly. any one else have this bizarre thing??) So now I know to avoid the epinephrin and if I can get an appointment with Dr Goodfellow I can perhaps get relaxed in the dentist chair at last. Ha! > Hello Keren;I would be more inclined to belive the good Dr nicked a bloodvessel then anything else.Its true that epinephrine constricts bloodvessels,but Ive assisted alot of times with dentist who used anestetic without epinephrine,doing some rather difficult procedures,and no facial brusing occured.I would chalk the brusing up to tecnique........anistetic without epinephrine is indicated for many pts. with heart problems .All dentists should have it on hand ,its no more expensive or dificult to use.The reason they dont like to use it is becouse it doesnt last as long and there is more bleeding during the procedure,(a little more work for them)small price to pay considering how bad a pt. with graves can feel after a jolt of the stuff.I sware to god when it happend to me the first thing I thought about was the scene in PulpFiction where the girl got the shot in the heart with the epniphrine.whew no fun!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2001 Report Share Posted July 14, 2001 ;I like the way you think! I too have some names for Endos.and a few of my x bosses,but this isnt the place to call them!And by the way Ive worked for an Orthodontist for the past 6 years,(try doing that when your shakey)and having teeth that dont erupt,and have to be surgicly exposed is fairly common,although fairly tramatic for the pt.Sounds like youve had a long stint with your Orthodontist,I hope they treated you well and you now have a beautiful smile to show for it. Re: Teeth Cheryl, I think he knicked the blood vessel, too. I just doubt that it was accidental. He's the one that stabbed me in the lip and didn't apologize the visit before that. Dr Quarles. Yes, pronounced quarrels. I've also had a dentist named Dr. Bills and one named Dr Paine. My workers' comp lawyer was Mr . I won that case. Hmmmm....I think I will look for a dentist with a bit more positive name. Like Dr.Goodfellow. Perhaps for an endo, Dr Doolittle would be best. What do you think?? But seriously folks, I had myself talked into believing that I was a nervous dental patient. I didn't know why it was happening, but i would get very anxious in the chair. Although i had no history of it as a child and I had had some extensive work done to my mouth with braces, a broken jaw and my two adult eye teeth (canines) that grew in horizontally under my nose. (I didn't know they were there until they were found by xray. They operated to place them correctly. any one else have this bizarre thing??) So now I know to avoid the epinephrin and if I can get an appointment with Dr Goodfellow I can perhaps get relaxed in the dentist chair at last. Ha! > Hello Keren;I would be more inclined to belive the good Dr nicked a bloodvessel then anything else.Its true that epinephrine constricts bloodvessels,but Ive assisted alot of times with dentist who used anestetic without epinephrine,doing some rather difficult procedures,and no facial brusing occured.I would chalk the brusing up to tecnique........anistetic without epinephrine is indicated for many pts. with heart problems .All dentists should have it on hand ,its no more expensive or dificult to use.The reason they dont like to use it is becouse it doesnt last as long and there is more bleeding during the procedure,(a little more work for them)small price to pay considering how bad a pt. with graves can feel after a jolt of the stuff.I sware to god when it happend to me the first thing I thought about was the scene in PulpFiction where the girl got the shot in the heart with the epniphrine.whew no fun!!!! ------------------------------------- The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended to replace expert medical care. Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. ---------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Thank you Manny for your expert contribution and advice on this subject! Best regards and good health to you also! Dave (father of (19); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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