Re: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to the group

[Guest guest]

well, the tomatoes thing goes along with the Best Bet Diet's ruling on

nightshades - no tomatoes or other nightshade veggies so I've already gone

through those withdrawals! I grew up in a house of smokers too and then

stupidly picked up my 1st cigarette when I was around the age of 17 and have put

them down a few times. This little book has given me fantastic reason to do it

for good this time. Now, to get the husband to throw them out.....lol ;)I'll

break the bad news to him after the Tottenham match - hope they win as he'll be

of very dark mood if they don't. I'm glad you got something out of it and that

it was a worthwhile 'share' though.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: tnesler@...

Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:50:49 +0000

Subject: RE: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to

the group

Thanks !

This article is interesting. However, my wife does not smoke and has never

drunk any diet sodas...:-( But she did grow up in a house with smokers.

Avoiding tomatoes is an interesting hypothesis. We usually eat canned

tomatoes...:-(

Tom Nesler

[Guest guest]

Years ago I read an article which stated that Iceland had virtually no MS before

WWII but after stationing soldiers there, the MS cases shot up to normal

European standards. The writer felt that the change in diet caused the problem.

Perhaps it was the increase in smoking caused by the military?

Tom Nesler

RE: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to

the group

well, the tomatoes thing goes along with the Best Bet Diet's ruling on

nightshades - no tomatoes or other nightshade veggies so I've already gone

through those withdrawals! I grew up in a house of smokers too and then

stupidly picked up my 1st cigarette when I was around the age of 17 and have put

them down a few times. This little book has given me fantastic reason to do it

for good this time. Now, to get the husband to throw them out.....lol ;)I'll

break the bad news to him after the Tottenham match - hope they win as he'll be

of very dark mood if they don't. I'm glad you got something out of it and that

it was a worthwhile 'share' though.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

[Guest guest]

well, diet is a factor as well as things like aspatame entering people's diets

too - so the two combined would be pretty much what this gentleman's saying.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: tnesler@...

Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:41:22 +0000

Subject: RE: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to

the group

Years ago I read an article which stated that Iceland had virtually no MS

before WWII but after stationing soldiers there, the MS cases shot up to normal

European standards. The writer felt that the change in diet caused the problem.

Perhaps it was the increase in smoking caused by the military?

Tom Nesler

[Guest guest]

Aspartame had not been invented in 1941. When the military began building bases

in Iceland, they brought in their own food because it is impossible to grow food

in Iceland. Most food imported was canned or processed in some way. His

thinking was the processing caused the disease, IIRC.

Tom Nesler

RE: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to

the group

well, diet is a factor as well as things like aspatame entering people's diets

too - so the two combined would be pretty much what this gentleman's saying.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

[Guest guest]

Consider me taught! lolI wasn't even a glimmer in my Dad's eyes then as he was

only 6 so excuse my not putting 2 and 2 together.As I'm Australian, I have never

had cause to know the ins and outs of what happened in every country in the

Northern Hemisphere's wartime experiences - our history lessons concentrated on

the Southern hemisphere's experences and history of the war.The processed

foodstuffs is one of the factors he was speaking of and is also what I was

talking about.Either way, I still believe that his ideas are extremely

worthwhile and are along the lines of what many MSers have been thinking/talking

about.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: tnesler@...

Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:25:48 +0000

Subject: RE: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to

the group

Aspartame had not been invented in 1941. When the military began building

bases in Iceland, they brought in their own food because it is impossible to

grow food in Iceland. Most food imported was canned or processed in some way.

His thinking was the processing caused the disease, IIRC.

Tom Nesler

[Guest guest]

Aspartame (Searle) was passed by the FDA as a sweetener on Jan. 21, 1981 thanks

to Rumsfeld. Monsanto bought the rights to it in 1985. Aspartame was

invented (by accident) in 1965.

>

> Aspartame had not been invented in 1941. When the military began building

bases in Iceland, they brought in their own food because it is impossible to

grow food in Iceland. Most food imported was canned or processed in some way.

His thinking was the processing caused the disease, IIRC.

>

> Tom Nesler

>

>

> RE: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to

the group

>

>

> well, diet is a factor as well as things like aspatame entering people's diets

too - so the two combined would be pretty much what this gentleman's saying.

>

> 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

> MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this article. I skimmed through as best I could. Rather long

winded. Did the author ever get to a point of making suggestions as to what we

can do for healing? I am one of those who does believe toxic exposures is the

cause of MS in some people. It is what I believe to be the cause for myself

anyway.

So if anyone saw a section of recommendations for healing, could you please

respond with that, because this was just too long for me to read and I did not

see anything in regard to solutions.

Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Zoe, it was only the one chapter from the book which was free (a bonus in my

mind!) and here's the run-down:1. MS is a disease that begins around brain blood

vessels, adjacent to the exact locations where methanol converts to

formaldehyde, very much like Alzheimer’s Disease.

2. MS was first discovered long before formaldehyde, making the determination of

its cause impossible.

3. The vast majority of early researchers believed that the cause of MS was a

" toxic substance " that forms in and is distributed via the blood vessels of the

brain. " Whatever is being produced within the vessel walls is the cause of the

disease. "

4. All symptoms of MS can be found during the course of methanol poisoning if

the patient lives long enough.

5. Myelin Basic Protein (MBP) is the protein of the myelin sheath that is

removed during MS plaque development. MBP contains a high percentage of

arginine, which acts as a trap for formaldehyde. The MBP of MS patients has been

shown to have reacted with formaldehyde and cause a marked increase of the

methylation of its arginine.

6. The MBP of MS brain tissue has been shown to be severely deficient in

phosphorylation, which we know can be caused by formaldehyde.

7. The Smoking Paradigm: Cigarette smoke is high in methanol and is the only

etiological cause of MS that is generally accepted by the scientific community.

8. Consistent circumstantial evidence links increases in methanol-containing

food consumption and in industrial use of methanol to corresponding increases in

MS incidence during the transition from the 19th century into the 20th century.

9. The advent of aspartame, a methanol carrier, has introduced an opportunity to

quantify additional methanol in the food supply since 1981.

10. The Aspartame Paradigm: statistics show convincingly that as more and more

aspartame is consumed by the US population the incidence of – and perhaps more

importantly the death rate from – MS has also increased dramatically. 11. The

higher incidence of MS in colder climates was due to the higher consumption

levels of canned fruits and vegetables in temperate climates. This began

reversing shortly after methanol-containing diet sodas and other thirst

quenching products became popular and inexpensive in the tropics.

12. MS was at one time a disease of men when it was caused by industrial

contact. It is increasingly more of a women’s disease. When methanol is inhaled

as a gas during cigarette smoking or industrial contamination the distribution

tends to be equal between the sexes. The stomach of the man, however, has 4 or 5

times more ADH in its lining than that of a woman. When methanol is consumed via

diet soda, the ADH removes methanol before it can get to the brain, so less of

it reaches men’s brains than women’s brains. As more and more methanol has

become a dietary poison, the shift from male to female disease has followed.

13. The Faroe Islands are surrounded by countries with very high incidence of

MS, yet the country traditionally did not have the disease represented in its

population until after the occupation of large numbers of British Troops during

the Second World War. Faroes have no trees or peat deposits and, therefore,

developed methods to salt and air dry fish and other meats for preservation,

unlike its neighbors, who dine on smoked foods at each meal. The indigenous diet

of the Faroans contains no methanol.

14. The Village of Wellington, Ohio experienced an epidemic of MS that should

have been traced to the escape of methanol fumes from a foundry, affecting the

populace located downwind of it.

15. Professions such as shoe making and papermaking that have been shown to have

high incidence of MS can also be shown to have exposes their workers to levels

of methanol.

16. The Teaching Paradigm: The US teaching profession might just be the best

profession to use to link methanol exposure to increased incidence of MS.

Secondary school teachers suffer an incidence of MS almost twice as high as

their professional counterparts. They also can be shown to have had consistent

workday exposure to methanol fumes by the ubiquitous use of Ditto machines that

use high concentrations of methanol as a print transfer agent.

There's a lot of stuff in it which points towards some dietary and lifestyle

changes etc but I think I'll have to get the book in order to do any justice

with a summary of what is recommended for healing.I hope this has been easier to

take in. 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: zoehealthy@...

Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:42:48 -0700

Subject: RE: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to

the group

Thanks for posting this article. I skimmed through as best I could. Rather

long winded. Did the author ever get to a point of making suggestions as to what

we can do for healing?

[Guest guest]

yeah thanks Alison - I've been schooled on my ignorance already! lol I have

since had time to read the whole thing - have given up the fags...again! lol I'm

wagering though that this'll be the last time.What I read made too much sense -

it hasn't convinced or even impacted my husband as he doesn't agree with the

theory one bit - that's fine, HE'S not the one with 'MS' is he? I will be going

forward extra vigilant in regards to aspartame and all the other 'sweeteners'

which fly beneath the radar from here on out too. Ultimately, each to their own

- I just think this makes too much sense for me to dismiss it.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: alpdesigns1@...

Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:37:29 +0000

Subject: Re: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to

the group

Aspartame (Searle) was passed by the FDA as a sweetener on Jan. 21, 1981 thanks

to Rumsfeld. Monsanto bought the rights to it in 1985. Aspartame was

invented (by accident) in 1965.

.

[Guest guest]

Call it schooling on ignorance? Americans (who are the most part of this group)

don't see " fags " the same way as the Brits :)She means cigarettes, guys :)Janet

To: mscured

From: rachael.m.thomas@...

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:46:29 +1030

Subject: RE: Re: I just read this and thought it might be of interest

to the group

yeah thanks Alison - I've been schooled on my ignorance already! lol I have

since had time to read the whole thing - have given up the fags...again! lol I'm

wagering though that this'll be the last time.What I read made too much sense -

it hasn't convinced or even impacted my husband as he doesn't agree with the

theory one bit - that's fine, HE'S not the one with 'MS' is he? I will be going

forward extra vigilant in regards to aspartame and all the other 'sweeteners'

which fly beneath the radar from here on out too. Ultimately, each to their own

- I just think this makes too much sense for me to dismiss it.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: alpdesigns1@...

Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:37:29 +0000

Subject: Re: I just read this and thought it might be of interest to

the group

Aspartame (Searle) was passed by the FDA as a sweetener on Jan. 21, 1981 thanks

to Rumsfeld. Monsanto bought the rights to it in 1985. Aspartame was

invented (by accident) in 1965.

..

[Guest guest]

I didn't send this to just you and I wasn't trying to imply that you are

ignorant! I just posted the facts in case anyone wanted to know them.

>

>

> yeah thanks Alison - I've been schooled on my ignorance already! lol

[Guest guest]

oops! thanks for the save there Janet. We who have the Pommy connection have to

stick together after all. lol

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

> To: mscured

> From: janetorchard@...

> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:37:52 +0200

> Subject: RE: Re: I just read this and thought it might be of

interest to the group

>

>

> Call it schooling on ignorance? Americans (who are the most part of this

group) don't see " fags " the same way as the Brits :)She means cigarettes, guys

:)Janet

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting article, , thanks for posting it. I notice that the author

has a DVD specifically about MS, available on Amazon, and it's a fair amount

cheaper than the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Solving-Mystery-Multiple-Sclerosis-Poisoning/dp/B003L783I0\

/ref=rsl_mainw_dpl?ie=UTF8 & m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Alice

>

>

>

http://www.whilesciencesleeps.com/files/While%20Science%20Sleeps%20-%20Chapter%2\

09%20%28Prepublication%20copy%29%20Website%203-15-2012.pdf Here's the page I got

the link from:

http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/03/25/multiple-sclerosis-the-cause-and-solution\

-uncovered/ I hope people find this interesting

>

> 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

> MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

>

>

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