Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 In all of my "dieting" days, I ate a lot of vegetables. Sometimes that was all that I ate. I was led to believe that vegetables are "free" and you can eat as many of them as you want. Since doing IE I find myself going through stages with fruits and vegetables. There was a period where I didn't want any fruits or vegetables at all. But after a while I started to crave certain vegetables. I have since decided that I prefer my vegetables cooked. Over the holiday I was craving salad and have played around with some really yummy salad recipies. For me it truly is like a roller coaster ride in that sometimes I don't want fruits and vegetables at all and sometimes that is all that I want but it just really depends. It's really weird and I'm just riding it out and trying not to question it. --Alana -------------- Original message -------------- Not long before I found the IE book, I had read a book called "Mindless Eating," which I've seen several posts about over the months and which I found really interesting. There were some diety things about it and some IE things about it. Overall, it advocates mindful eating, which I think is really closely related to what we're all striving for here. Anyway, that book cites a "diet" which says that you should fill half your plate with vegetables (and fruit?) and half your plate with your other foods. That way you still feel you can have a full plate of food, but you do fill up a bit on roughage and all that "virtuous" green stuff. When I read it, I liked the idea and my husband really liked it and we both sort of casually started to do it. I am one of those folks who actually LIKE most vegetables as long as they are not the only thing I'm allowed to eat. Right? So, in the few weeks I was trying to do the half plate thing, I felt GREAT. I remember feeling physically good and yes, I felt "righteous"--like I was now eating in a more enlightened way. Ha ha. Well, when I read IE, I stopped eating that way. In the IE book, there is a similar recommendation, right? They say to work toward something like at least a third of your plate with vegetables and or fruit. But they say you have to work out all those food demons first before you worry about nutrition too much. Am I recalling correctly? Anyway, my whole point is, if I try to go back to the fill a good portion of your plate with vegetables (only those I like of course) and continue to eat all the other foods I like, will it be like a diet? Are my motives pure enough here, that i'm doing that because it made me feel better? Or will I want to one day rebel,etc. the way i do with other diets? Of course, no one can really answer those questions FOR ME, but I'm interested in your thought s. I'm sort of enjoying the "I don't have to eat vegetables if I don't want to" thing, but the thing is, I DO want to. But I haven't been because someone told me I don't have to, so I took that to mean I shouldn't. You know how after so long of eating according to rules, you make the absence of rules into a rule? Did you follow me? Anyway, if any of that made sense, let me know what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 I'm with Sigi and Alana on this one. I've been seeing the same roller coaster that Alana talks about. Sometimes, I want vegetables and fruit and other times I don't. And I love Sigi's message saying: There will be rules that you are breaking and rules that you are following at any moment in time, but I think the most important thing to think about when deciding what to do is listening to your body and stomach. If you want vegetables, just go out and enjoy them. It's kind of like legalizing the " diet " foods, I guess. Maybe sometimes we forget to do that we have to do that because we fear that by eating those foods we are no a diet. > > In all of my " dieting " days, I ate a lot of vegetables. Sometimes that was all that I ate. I was led to believe that vegetables are " free " and you can eat as many of them as you want. Since doing IE I find myself going through stages with fruits and vegetables. There was a period where I didn't want any fruits or vegetables at all. But after a while I started to crave certain vegetables. I have since decided that I prefer my vegetables cooked. Over the holiday I was craving salad and have played around with some really yummy salad recipies. For me it truly is like a roller coaster ride in that sometimes I don't want fruits and vegetables at all and sometimes that is all that I want but it just really depends. It's really weird and I'm just riding it out and trying not to question it. > > -- > Alana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 The anthropologist in me has been wondering if we crave vegetables and fruits at certain times because the items in question are grown during those times! I anticipate tomatoes in the summer, strawberries as well. In winter I love winter squashes...maybe all these years of evolution have taught our bodies to eat what's in season... Re: vegetables I'm with Sigi and Alana on this one. I've been seeing the same rollercoaster that Alana talks about. Sometimes, I want vegetables and fruitand other times I don't. And I love Sigi's message saying: There will be rules that you arebreaking and rules that you are following at any moment in time, but Ithink the most important thing to think about when deciding what to dois listening to your body and stomach. If you want vegetables, just goout and enjoy them. It's kind of like legalizing the "diet" foods, Iguess. Maybe sometimes we forget to do that we have to do that becausewe fear that by eating those foods we are no a diet. >> In all of my "dieting" days, I ate a lot of vegetables. Sometimesthat was all that I ate. I was led to believe that vegetables are"free" and you can eat as many of them as you want. Since doing IE Ifind myself going through stages with fruits and vegetables. Therewas a period where I didn't want any fruits or vegetables at all. Butafter a while I started to crave certain vegetables. I have sincedecided that I prefer my vegetables cooked. Over the holiday I wascraving salad and have played around with some really yummy saladrecipies. For me it truly is like a roller coaster ride in thatsometimes I don't want fruits and vegetables at all and sometimes thatis all that I want but it just really depends. It's really weird andI'm just riding it out and trying not to question it.> > --> Alana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Ann, I think I pretty much know what you are talking about. I too like vegetables - lightly steamed and for the most part with little or light 'dressings' on them. I also like thinking that I can eat 'more' of these and not really have to sweat doing that like I would if I ate 5 candy bars (just kidding!) or 2 huge helping of something like lasagna that tastes great at dinner time. The only difference between us is that I never followed diet 'rules' in the first place so I'm not as subject to the 'measurement' dictates that seem to plague (ex) dieters. I do fight the 'rebel' demons which tend to misdirect my efforts at times so in the overall, I'd say we end up at the same 'place' irregardless of how or why we got there. Enjoy what you like and eat what you 'want' - that's legalizing to me as it helps me to get over any 'good' vs. 'bad' food mentality. Adding in 'when hungry and to satisfaction' is another step and can be done when you are able to do that. If you can do them both at the same time - Yippee! if not, when you can is A OKAY too. ehugs, Katcha > > Not long before I found the IE book, I had read a book called " Mindless > Eating, " which I've seen several posts about over the months and which I > found really interesting. There were some diety things about it and some IE > things about it. Overall, it advocates mindful eating, which I think is > really closely related to what we're all striving for here. > > Anyway, that book cites a " diet " which says that you should fill half your > plate with vegetables (and fruit?) and half your plate with your other > foods. That way you still feel you can have a full plate of food, but you > do fill up a bit on roughage and all that " virtuous " green stuff. When I > read it, I liked the idea and my husband really liked it and we both sort of > casually started to do it. > > I am one of those folks who actually LIKE most vegetables as long as they > are not the only thing I'm allowed to eat. Right? So, in the few weeks I > was trying to do the half plate thing, I felt GREAT. I remember feeling > physically good and yes, I felt " righteous " --like I was now eating in a more > enlightened way. Ha ha. > > Well, when I read IE, I stopped eating that way. In the IE book, there is a > similar recommendation, right? They say to work toward something like at > least a third of your plate with vegetables and or fruit. But they say you > have to work out all those food demons first before you worry about > nutrition too much. Am I recalling correctly? > > Anyway, my whole point is, if I try to go back to the fill a good portion of > your plate with vegetables (only those I like of course) and continue to eat > all the other foods I like, will it be like a diet? Are my motives pure > enough here, that i'm doing that because it made me feel better? Or will I > want to one day rebel,etc. the way i do with other diets? Of course, no one > can really answer those questions FOR ME, but I'm interested in your > thoughts. > > I'm sort of enjoying the " I don't have to eat vegetables if I don't want to " > thing, but the thing is, I DO want to. But I haven't been because someone > told me I don't have to, so I took that to mean I shouldn't. You know how > after so long of eating according to rules, you make the absence of rules > into a rule? Did you follow me? > > Anyway, if any of that made sense, let me know what you think. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Good for you Alana! Its hard to not feel like a push-you-pull-me at times ;-) Balance is the ultimate objective and the only way we will get to have that become part of our 'normal' eating is practice practice practice - LOL!!! ehugs, Katcha > For me it truly is like a roller coaster ride in that sometimes I don't want fruits and vegetables at all and sometimes that is all that I want but it just really depends. It's really weird and I'm just riding it out and trying not to question it. > > -- > Alana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Oh my gosh! I am practically legalizing veggies right now. I fought veggie and fruit cravings for months because I was rebelling against anything that reminded me of dieting. The " make 1/2 your plate fruits and veggies " was a diet rule I always followed. I would ALWAYS sub veggies for fries, and eat all my veggies but only half my burger; eat all my veggies first before I could eat other foods; etc. No wonder I rebelled against fruits and veggies. In recent weeks, the group helped me to realize that veggies and fruits need not be synonymous with dieting - they are not diet foods, they are REAL foods to be enjoyed in moderation. The past couple of weeks I've been honoring my body's cravings for fruits, veggies, yogurt, and whole grain breads, and I feel fantastic. I'm not eating these things because I have to, but because I want to. And I'm not eating as much of them as when I dieted. I'm still filling up on things that are on dieters' " bad " list, and enjoying them wonderfully. I guess my point is that if you love fruits and veggies and want to eat a lot of them, go right ahead. But if you'd like less sometimes, that's okay, too. I would not suggest establishing a " make 1/2 your plate fruit/veg rule " , but rather filling your plate with what looks satisfying and delicious. If that ends up being half fruits/veggies, fine. Be careful of trying to set rules with IE, though. It can lead to some serious backtracking (at least for me, it would). - > > Not long before I found the IE book, I had read a book called " Mindless > Eating, " which I've seen several posts about over the months and which I > found really interesting. There were some diety things about it and some IE > things about it. Overall, it advocates mindful eating, which I think is > really closely related to what we're all striving for here. > > Anyway, that book cites a " diet " which says that you should fill half your > plate with vegetables (and fruit?) and half your plate with your other > foods. That way you still feel you can have a full plate of food, but you > do fill up a bit on roughage and all that " virtuous " green stuff. When I > read it, I liked the idea and my husband really liked it and we both sort of > casually started to do it. > > I am one of those folks who actually LIKE most vegetables as long as they > are not the only thing I'm allowed to eat. Right? So, in the few weeks I > was trying to do the half plate thing, I felt GREAT. I remember feeling > physically good and yes, I felt " righteous " --like I was now eating in a more > enlightened way. Ha ha. > > Well, when I read IE, I stopped eating that way. In the IE book, there is a > similar recommendation, right? They say to work toward something like at > least a third of your plate with vegetables and or fruit. But they say you > have to work out all those food demons first before you worry about > nutrition too much. Am I recalling correctly? > > Anyway, my whole point is, if I try to go back to the fill a good portion of > your plate with vegetables (only those I like of course) and continue to eat > all the other foods I like, will it be like a diet? Are my motives pure > enough here, that i'm doing that because it made me feel better? Or will I > want to one day rebel,etc. the way i do with other diets? Of course, no one > can really answer those questions FOR ME, but I'm interested in your > thoughts. > > I'm sort of enjoying the " I don't have to eat vegetables if I don't want to " > thing, but the thing is, I DO want to. But I haven't been because someone > told me I don't have to, so I took that to mean I shouldn't. You know how > after so long of eating according to rules, you make the absence of rules > into a rule? Did you follow me? > > Anyway, if any of that made sense, let me know what you think. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Me too! Me too! Actually, , you're posting about this very stuff has helped me realize I like veggies. Especially baby carrots. Ugh, I wish I could just eat a bowl of oatmeal with no freaking eggs or eggwhites on the side. I love oatmeal, whole grain bread, etc. I love coffee too. I was beating myself up for having half and half in my coffee. You know some people cut that to save calories? And I'm the crazy one. > > > > Not long before I found the IE book, I had read a book called " Mindless > > Eating, " which I've seen several posts about over the months and which I > > found really interesting. There were some diety things about it and > some IE > > things about it. Overall, it advocates mindful eating, which I think is > > really closely related to what we're all striving for here. > > > > Anyway, that book cites a " diet " which says that you should fill > half your > > plate with vegetables (and fruit?) and half your plate with your other > > foods. That way you still feel you can have a full plate of food, > but you > > do fill up a bit on roughage and all that " virtuous " green stuff. > When I > > read it, I liked the idea and my husband really liked it and we both > sort of > > casually started to do it. > > > > I am one of those folks who actually LIKE most vegetables as long as > they > > are not the only thing I'm allowed to eat. Right? So, in the few > weeks I > > was trying to do the half plate thing, I felt GREAT. I remember feeling > > physically good and yes, I felt " righteous " --like I was now eating > in a more > > enlightened way. Ha ha. > > > > Well, when I read IE, I stopped eating that way. In the IE book, > there is a > > similar recommendation, right? They say to work toward something > like at > > least a third of your plate with vegetables and or fruit. But they > say you > > have to work out all those food demons first before you worry about > > nutrition too much. Am I recalling correctly? > > > > Anyway, my whole point is, if I try to go back to the fill a good > portion of > > your plate with vegetables (only those I like of course) and > continue to eat > > all the other foods I like, will it be like a diet? Are my motives pure > > enough here, that i'm doing that because it made me feel better? Or > will I > > want to one day rebel,etc. the way i do with other diets? Of > course, no one > > can really answer those questions FOR ME, but I'm interested in your > > thoughts. > > > > I'm sort of enjoying the " I don't have to eat vegetables if I don't > want to " > > thing, but the thing is, I DO want to. But I haven't been because > someone > > told me I don't have to, so I took that to mean I shouldn't. You > know how > > after so long of eating according to rules, you make the absence of > rules > > into a rule? Did you follow me? > > > > Anyway, if any of that made sense, let me know what you think. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 LOL, Press! I dare you to have oatmeal for breakfast today or tomorrow with NO EGG!! I once tried putting egg in my oatmeal cooked on the stove, and it was terrible to me. Never again! I, too, love coffee. But I'm a milk girl. Why save calories? What are you saving them for? More egg whites? Hee hee.. - > > Me too! Me too! > Actually, , you're posting about this very stuff has helped me > realize I like veggies. Especially baby carrots. > > Ugh, I wish I could just eat a bowl of oatmeal with no freaking eggs > or eggwhites on the side. > I love oatmeal, whole grain bread, etc. > > I love coffee too. I was beating myself up for having half and half > in my coffee. > You know some people cut that to save calories? > And I'm the crazy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 > > LOL, Press! I dare you to have oatmeal for breakfast today or tomorrow > with NO EGG!! I once tried putting egg in my oatmeal cooked on the > stove, and it was terrible to me. Never again! > > I, too, love coffee. But I'm a milk girl. Why save calories? What are > you saving them for? More egg whites? Hee hee.. > LOL! That last line cracked me up! I dunno, you gotta track those egg whites, too! Okay. I ate breakfast already so tomorrow this will be my challenge. Can I do it? Who knows? I may have to make a documentary on it, a la Discovery Channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Tomorrow, Press! I want the full report. You can post it on you tube... > Okay. I ate breakfast already so tomorrow this will be my challenge. Can > I do it? > > Who knows? I may have to make a documentary on it, a la Discovery > Channel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 > > Tomorrow, Press! I want the full report. You can post it on you > tube... > OMG. Could you imagine? How self involved do you have to be? I dunno. I may have to train for an event of this magnitude first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 I gotta say, I actually LIKE egg in my oatmeal. Healthy or not. You have to buy the egg whites in the little container and then when the oatmeal starts to cook and get creamy you slowly stir in some egg whites while it cooks. Makes it very creamy. Honest- it's good. I wouldn't try plopping a whole egg in there though...blech. Re: vegetables >> LOL, Press! I dare you to have oatmeal for breakfast today or tomorrow> with NO EGG!! I once tried putting egg in my oatmeal cooked on the> stove, and it was terrible to me. Never again!>> I, too, love coffee. But I'm a milk girl. Why save calories? What are> you saving them for? More egg whites? Hee hee.. >LOL! That last line cracked me up! I dunno, you gotta track those eggwhites, too! :)Okay. I ate breakfast already so tomorrow this will be my challenge. CanI do it?Who knows? I may have to make a documentary on it, a la DiscoveryChannel. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 ITA. Dieting and eating things from a 'list' and the age of produce flown on planes have 'messed' with our natural inclinations. I also keep in mind my traditional 'ancestral foods' - nothing spectacular since my ancestry is italian/other European and it's not that different from what I normally ate anyway - but for some people it makes a lot of difference if their current diet is far from what their ancestors ate for generations. I no longer eat out of season produce from other parts of the world, and listen more to what 'feels right'. It's not only healtheir, but sound ecologically. Now that I no longer diet, I am much more aware of those kinds of things - salad sounds just awful to me this time of year - as does mashed potatoes and gravy in July , > > The anthropologist in me has been wondering if we crave vegetables and fruits at certain times because the items in question are grown during those times! I anticipate tomatoes in the summer, strawberries as well. In winter I love winter squashes...maybe all these years of evolution have taught our bodies to eat what's in season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yeah! Do it! Do It! I had oats twice this past week - my usual steel cut oats with cream, butter and (real) maple syrup and a glass of whole, raw milk. Ahhhh.... > > > > Me too! Me too! > > Actually, , you're posting about this very stuff has helped me > > realize I like veggies. Especially baby carrots. > > > > Ugh, I wish I could just eat a bowl of oatmeal with no freaking eggs > > or eggwhites on the side. > > I love oatmeal, whole grain bread, etc. > > > > I love coffee too. I was beating myself up for having half and half > > in my coffee. > > You know some people cut that to save calories? > > And I'm the crazy one. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Okay, I had oatmeal this morning but with a bit of brown sugar and pb. Oddly the world didn't end because I didn't have protein with it. Next step: Eating it " IV " style! That sounds way too decadent for me! Do you cook the oatmeal IN the cream or top it off with butter and cream? > > Yeah! Do it! Do It! > > I had oats twice this past week - my usual steel cut oats with cream, butter and (real) > maple syrup and a glass of whole, raw milk. > > Ahhhh.... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I cook it in water since it takes a while to cook with steel cut oats. Then I pour on a bit of cream and maple syrup and top with a blob of butter. It is quite good - I think it's why I have the glass of milk though - balances the richness. Maybe we should do a whole youtube video series -- In IntuitiveEating_Support , " press182 " wrote: > > Okay, I had oatmeal this morning but with a bit of brown sugar and pb. > Oddly the world didn't end because I didn't have protein with it. > > Next step: Eating it " IV " style! That sounds way too decadent for me! > Do you cook the oatmeal IN the cream or top it off with butter and > cream? > > > > > Yeah! Do it! Do It! > > > > I had oats twice this past week - my usual steel cut oats with cream, > butter and (real) > > maple syrup and a glass of whole, raw milk. > > > > Ahhhh.... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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