Re: I'd like to see what some non-dieters have to say about this.

[Guest guest]

I think movement counts, no matter what. I waited tables in college and walked for anywhere from 6-12 hours at a time. I ate like a horse then! The easoning that our bodies get accostumed to work movement as opposed to say, walking for fitness, seems counter intuitive. Wouldn't our bodies get used to walking for fitness and then that wouldn't count? Eat if you're hungry and don't feel bad!

[Guest guest]

1600 calories/day?!? I don't know how you could do that! I would be so

bitc*y in nothing flat! Doesn't your body just adapt by getting more

efficient with what it does get? No wonder your body is driving you to

EAT. I can't imagine what the little amount is like. Who dreamt up

that 'magic' number?!?

I'm just flabbergasted!! Katcha

>

> I find that when I am at work I get very hungry versus my days off

> when I don't find myself all that hungry very often throughout the day.

>

> I work at 's Secret, and especially during this time of the

> year (first the holidays, now our big sale) I'm non-stop throughout

> the day. I'm constantly moving, and they usually put me in the

> fitting rooms and let me tell you, that can be exhausting! I'm either

> sorting piles of bras left in the rooms or walking back and forth

> throughout the store to put them away. Either way, I'm always moving.

>

> Now I always read on this dieting website that movement at work

> doesn't count for anything, that your body adapts to it and it no

> longer burns extra calories to do the work. I beg to differ, as in

> the past 2 months that I have worked there, I have consistently been

> getting extra hungry on the days I work. I have a hard time believing

> that before I started working my body may have needed 1600 calories to

> run, then when I started working at first it may have needed 2000 but

> now only needs 1600 again because it's used to the extra movement. I

> could imagine that maybe it needs in between now, but I still believe

> that it needs more!

>

> I'm just curious as to what you guys have to say about this because I

> feel " bad " for getting hungrier at work so I literally have a slim

> fast bar for lunch and am ravenously hungry when I get home and

> usually wind up overeating. Of course, my diet-like brain tells me

> that it's lack of control rather than my not allowing myself to listen

> to my hunger signals but I digress.

>

> I just keep thinking that this whole possibility that my body may

> actually need more fuel and that is why I get hungrier is all just

> wishful thinking so I don't feel so guilty allowing myself to eat more.

>

[Guest guest]

YES! Thank you! You've put into words what I have

been perplexed by for a while now. Of course, if your

body gets used to moving at work then your body would

get used to your daily workouts, too. I suppose you

do have to mix it up but I'm not nearly to that point

yet.

Sometimes I wish I had a more active job.

--- Ellington wrote:

> I think movement counts, no matter what. I waited

> tables in college and walked for anywhere from 6-12

> hours at a time. I ate like a horse then! The

> easoning that our bodies get accostumed to work

> movement as opposed to say, walking for fitness,

> seems counter intuitive. Wouldn't our bodies get

> used to walking for fitness and then that wouldn't

> count? Eat if you're hungry and don't feel bad!

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[Guest guest]

Those were kind of made up numbers but in all actuality I do stay

quite low. I used to flip if I ate 600 in a day! So I HAVE made

progress! I find myself trying to stick to under 1500 which I know is

irrational, and usually when I have 1600 or more I end up binging to

punish myself. I HATE NUMBERS!! *pulls hair out* lol.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh but see, they would also say that your body got used to fitness

routines as well and you either had to continue to up the intensity or

the duration. That was when I really started freaking out because I

was already compulsively exercising and devoting my entire life to

working out and I was upping my routine weekly. Talk about burnout!

Funny thing was, if I continued to eat as little with my harder/longer

workouts as I did with my smaller workouts I wouldn't lose weight. I

started eating more and off came the pounds!

>

> I think movement counts, no matter what. I waited tables in college

and walked for anywhere from 6-12 hours at a time. I ate like a horse

then! The easoning that our bodies get accostumed to work movement as

opposed to say, walking for fitness, seems counter intuitive. Wouldn't

our bodies get used to walking for fitness and then that wouldn't

count? Eat if you're hungry and don't feel bad!

>

[Guest guest]

About2days: When I first started working out

I experimented METHODICALLY with calorie

intake and workout length and workout intensity.

At the end of a year of doing a " study of self "

that would have made any Lab Tech proud, here's

what I found out:

* Eat 1000 calories a day/workout intensely 45 minutes

= no change in weight

* Eat 1200 calories a day/workout intensely 90 minutes

= no change in weight

* Eat 1800 calories a day/workout intensely 30 minutes

= no change in weight

* Eat 1500 calories a day/workout moderately 20 minutes

= no change in weight

DON'T GET ME WRONG - as you can tell by my tagline I'm

a HUGE fan of working out - I LOVE IT - but I have

found my body is extremely efficient at maintaining

it's weight, no matter what I do to it. So for me I

had to change my focus - from working out in order to

lose weight to working out in order to get and stay

healthy. I'm healthier than I've ever been in my 46

years, but I'm still basically the same weight I was.

[Guest guest]

Well, you were right to be skeptical of something you read on a

dieting website!!! Regardless of the amount or type of movement or

exercise you're doing, you should eat when you're hungry...and not

feel guilty about giving your body what it needs. I am sure you are

burning more calories on the days you're working and constantly

moving, but that's not the issue anyway...the issue is physical

hunger...and hunger should be remedied with food. Bring some real food

to work, whatever sounds good. You shouldn't feel guilty at all.

Shauna

>

> I find that when I am at work I get very hungry versus my days off

> when I don't find myself all that hungry very often throughout the day.

>

> I work at 's Secret, and especially during this time of the

> year (first the holidays, now our big sale) I'm non-stop throughout

> the day. I'm constantly moving, and they usually put me in the

> fitting rooms and let me tell you, that can be exhausting! I'm either

> sorting piles of bras left in the rooms or walking back and forth

> throughout the store to put them away. Either way, I'm always moving.

>

> Now I always read on this dieting website that movement at work

> doesn't count for anything, that your body adapts to it and it no

> longer burns extra calories to do the work. I beg to differ, as in

> the past 2 months that I have worked there, I have consistently been

> getting extra hungry on the days I work. I have a hard time believing

> that before I started working my body may have needed 1600 calories to

> run, then when I started working at first it may have needed 2000 but

> now only needs 1600 again because it's used to the extra movement. I

> could imagine that maybe it needs in between now, but I still believe

> that it needs more!

>

> I'm just curious as to what you guys have to say about this because I

> feel " bad " for getting hungrier at work so I literally have a slim

> fast bar for lunch and am ravenously hungry when I get home and

> usually wind up overeating. Of course, my diet-like brain tells me

> that it's lack of control rather than my not allowing myself to listen

> to my hunger signals but I digress.

>

> I just keep thinking that this whole possibility that my body may

> actually need more fuel and that is why I get hungrier is all just

> wishful thinking so I don't feel so guilty allowing myself to eat more.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know where that notion comes from, that our bodies adapt to

regular movement so we can maintain the same caloric intake as a

sedentary person if we're moving on a daily basis. That's ludicrous.

Whoever makes that kind of claim is smoking crack as far as I'm

concerned. An example: Competitive runners who do miles upon miles of

vigorous daily training DEFINITELY require more calories as a result,

and if they don't eat more than they did before they became a runner

(or more than they did during the off-season) they will melt away to

nothing, have no energy, and won't be able to compete. This is true

even though they run almost every single day. Our bodies gets used to

regular movement in the sense that what was more exhausting at first

becomes easier for us when we're doing it regularly, but the body

still needs fuel (food!) for whatever activities we require it to do.

Shauna

>

> I think movement counts, no matter what. I waited tables in college

and walked for anywhere from 6-12 hours at a time. I ate like a horse

then! The easoning that our bodies get accostumed to work movement as

opposed to say, walking for fitness, seems counter intuitive. Wouldn't

our bodies get used to walking for fitness and then that wouldn't

count? Eat if you're hungry and don't feel bad!

>

[Guest guest]

oh my gosh!! you are methodical and you do love working out!!!! Very

impressive study!

One of the themes I've read in lots of posts and rings true here is

that you're working to find out what works for you. I've been trying

different things, listening to different voices, reading, and through

it all, am still learning what works for me.

The reframing you talk about, seeing exercise in a new light, is

certainly part of what I'm working on, too!

Thanks for a great post.

Alison

gymisadrug wrote:

About2days: When I first started working out

I experimented METHODICALLY with calorie

intake and workout length and workout intensity.

At the end of a year of doing a "study of self"

that would have made any Lab Tech proud, here's

what I found out:

* Eat 1000 calories a day/workout intensely 45 minutes

= no change in weight

* Eat 1200 calories a day/workout intensely 90 minutes

= no change in weight

* Eat 1800 calories a day/workout intensely 30 minutes

= no change in weight

* Eat 1500 calories a day/workout moderately 20 minutes

= no change in weight

DON'T GET ME WRONG - as you can tell by my tagline I'm

a HUGE fan of working out - I LOVE IT - but I have

found my body is extremely efficient at maintaining

it's weight, no matter what I do to it. So for me I

had to change my focus - from working out in order to

lose weight to working out in order to get and stay

healthy. I'm healthier than I've ever been in my 46

years, but I'm still basically the same weight I was.

[Guest guest]

Abouttwodays,

I'm sure your body does become somewhat more efficient about calories

if you do that activity regularly. But certainly you need more energy

on those days you work on your feet. I work at Banana and I eat more

on days I work, too. When I try to tell myself I don't need any more

food (I have no idea WHY I do that) than normal, I end up laying in

bed hungry and unable to sleep. On top of that, I end up eating more

the next day. So in all it balances out, but it would make a lot more

sense if I were to just listen to my body and let my hunger be

satisfied in the first place...

Anyway, I can relate.

>

> I find that when I am at work I get very hungry versus my days off

> when I don't find myself all that hungry very often throughout the day.

>

> I work at 's Secret, and especially during this time of the

> year (first the holidays, now our big sale) I'm non-stop throughout

> the day. I'm constantly moving, and they usually put me in the

> fitting rooms and let me tell you, that can be exhausting! I'm either

> sorting piles of bras left in the rooms or walking back and forth

> throughout the store to put them away. Either way, I'm always moving.

>

> Now I always read on this dieting website that movement at work

> doesn't count for anything, that your body adapts to it and it no

> longer burns extra calories to do the work. I beg to differ, as in

> the past 2 months that I have worked there, I have consistently been

> getting extra hungry on the days I work. I have a hard time believing

> that before I started working my body may have needed 1600 calories to

> run, then when I started working at first it may have needed 2000 but

> now only needs 1600 again because it's used to the extra movement. I

> could imagine that maybe it needs in between now, but I still believe

> that it needs more!

>

> I'm just curious as to what you guys have to say about this because I

> feel " bad " for getting hungrier at work so I literally have a slim

> fast bar for lunch and am ravenously hungry when I get home and

> usually wind up overeating. Of course, my diet-like brain tells me

> that it's lack of control rather than my not allowing myself to listen

> to my hunger signals but I digress.

>

> I just keep thinking that this whole possibility that my body may

> actually need more fuel and that is why I get hungrier is all just

> wishful thinking so I don't feel so guilty allowing myself to eat more.

>

[Guest guest]

I would totally believe if it became somewhat more efficient, but

according to that particular website and everyone on it I should

completely disregard the fact that I am now constantly moving about 30

more hours a week than before where I was on my butt at my computer

during those 30 hours, you know?

>

> Abouttwodays,

>

> I'm sure your body does become somewhat more efficient about calories

> if you do that activity regularly. But certainly you need more energy

> on those days you work on your feet. I work at Banana and I eat more

> on days I work, too. When I try to tell myself I don't need any more

> food (I have no idea WHY I do that) than normal, I end up laying in

> bed hungry and unable to sleep. On top of that, I end up eating more

> the next day. So in all it balances out, but it would make a lot more

> sense if I were to just listen to my body and let my hunger be

> satisfied in the first place...

>

> Anyway, I can relate.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I used to use " SparkPeople " . For sh*ts and giggles I would change my

starting weight. The calculator gave me the SAME RANGE of calories no

matter what I put in.

So to them I said, " PFFT! " and gave them the two fingers.

> >

> > I would totally believe if it became somewhat more efficient, but

> > according to that particular website and everyone on it I should

> > completely disregard the fact that I am now constantly moving about

30

> > more hours a week than before where I was on my butt at my computer

> > during those 30 hours, you know?

>

>

> Hmm..it seems that particular website and the people on it are giving

> faulty information.

>

[Guest guest]

I have a sit down job and I definately notice that I need more food when I am at work than when I am home on the weekends. First of all, I wouldn't worry about the calories, but then that is me. I know a Slim Fast bar would not be enough for me to carry me through the day. I in fact, have been working with Gillian on figuring out what works best for my body. What I have determined is that I have to plan and prepare. I do best when I eat a good breakfast with some protein, carbs and fat and if I don't have time to eat before I leave, I need to plan to take something substantial that I can eat at work. And then I need an actual meal for lunch also consisting of protein, carbs and fat. It is tough because we get busy and I don't want to take the time to microwave whatever I brought and I don't really want to stop and actually eat - it is so much easier to "munch" at my desk. But if I do "munch" my way through the day, I f

ind I end up eating a lot more in the evenings. Hope this helps answer some of your questions.

--Alana

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I find that when I am at work I get very hungry versus my days offwhen I don't find myself all that hungry very often throughout the day. I work at 's Secret, and especially during this time of theyear (first the holidays, now our big sale) I'm non-stop throughoutthe day. I'm constantly moving, and they usually put me in thefitting rooms and let me tell you, that can be exhausting! I'm eithersorting piles of bras left in the rooms or walking back and forththroughout the store to put them away. Either way, I'm always moving. Now I always read on this dieting website that movement at workdoesn't count for anything, that your body adapts to it and it nolonger burns extra calories to do the work. I beg to differ, as inthe past 2 months that I have worked there, I have consistently beengetting extra hungry on the days I work. I have a hard time believingthat before I started working my body may have needed 1600 calor

ies torun, then when I started working at first it may have needed 2000 butnow only needs 1600 again because it's used to the extra movement. Icould imagine that maybe it needs in between now, but I still believethat it needs more!I'm just curious as to what you guys have to say about this because Ifeel "bad" for getting hungrier at work so I literally have a slimfast bar for lunch and am ravenously hungry when I get home andusually wind up overeating. Of course, my diet-like brain tells methat it's lack of control rather than my not allowing myself to listento my hunger signals but I digress.I just keep thinking that this whole possibility that my body mayactually need more fuel and that is why I get hungrier is all justwishful thinking so I don't feel so guilty allowing myself to eat more.

[Guest guest]

That's the website I used! And I used to do the same thing lol. No

matter what, they would tell me to eat 1200-1500 a day unless I wanted

the slowest weight loss possible. Even for maintenance they tell me

not to eat over 1700.

-- In IntuitiveEating_Support , " press182 "

wrote:

>

> I used to use " SparkPeople " . For sh*ts and giggles I would change my

> starting weight. The calculator gave me the SAME RANGE of calories no

> matter what I put in.

> So to them I said, " PFFT! " and gave them the two fingers.

>

>

> > >

> > > I would totally believe if it became somewhat more efficient, but

> > > according to that particular website and everyone on it I should

> > > completely disregard the fact that I am now constantly moving about

> 30

> > > more hours a week than before where I was on my butt at my computer

> > > during those 30 hours, you know?

> >

> >

> > Hmm..it seems that particular website and the people on it are giving

> > faulty information.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Let me tell you about my husband - he used to work for Apple. So you can

imagine what

back to schoo/christmas was like. He got so thin when he was working there. he

ate as

much as he could - even tried to overeat whenever possible. But he just kept

losing

weight. So, if anyone tried to tell me that movement at work doesnt' count.

Sheesh.

I wouldn't expect a slimfast bar to be 'quality' nutrition - and low quality

food does not

satisfy what your body needs, so even if you eat a lot of it, your body knows

the difference

and will still be asking for more.

>

> I find that when I am at work I get very hungry versus my days off

> when I don't find myself all that hungry very often throughout the day.

>

> I work at 's Secret, and especially during this time of the

> year (first the holidays, now our big sale) I'm non-stop throughout

> the day. I'm constantly moving, and they usually put me in the

> fitting rooms and let me tell you, that can be exhausting! I'm either

> sorting piles of bras left in the rooms or walking back and forth

> throughout the store to put them away. Either way, I'm always moving.

>

> Now I always read on this dieting website that movement at work

> doesn't count for anything, that your body adapts to it and it no

> longer burns extra calories to do the work. I beg to differ, as in

> the past 2 months that I have worked there, I have consistently been

> getting extra hungry on the days I work. I have a hard time believing

> that before I started working my body may have needed 1600 calories to

> run, then when I started working at first it may have needed 2000 but

> now only needs 1600 again because it's used to the extra movement. I

> could imagine that maybe it needs in between now, but I still believe

> that it needs more!

>

> I'm just curious as to what you guys have to say about this because I

> feel " bad " for getting hungrier at work so I literally have a slim

> fast bar for lunch and am ravenously hungry when I get home and

> usually wind up overeating. Of course, my diet-like brain tells me

> that it's lack of control rather than my not allowing myself to listen

> to my hunger signals but I digress.

>

> I just keep thinking that this whole possibility that my body may

> actually need more fuel and that is why I get hungrier is all just

> wishful thinking so I don't feel so guilty allowing myself to eat more.

>

[Guest guest]

There is that 'they' again.

'They' have to say something - and they have to change it all the time.

Otherwise how

would they keep making money off of people??

> >

> > I think movement counts, no matter what. I waited tables in college

> and walked for anywhere from 6-12 hours at a time. I ate like a horse

> then! The easoning that our bodies get accostumed to work movement as

> opposed to say, walking for fitness, seems counter intuitive. Wouldn't

> our bodies get used to walking for fitness and then that wouldn't

> count? Eat if you're hungry and don't feel bad!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I used to use Spark People too and had no idea they did that. Actually, I heard about Intutive Eating on one of their boards which peaked my curriosity and here I am!

--Alana

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That's the website I used! And I used to do the same thing lol. Nomatter what, they would tell me to eat 1200-1500 a day unless I wantedthe slowest weight loss possible. Even for maintenance they tell menot to eat over 1700.-- In IntuitiveEating_Support , "press182" wrote:>> I used to use "SparkPeople". For sh*ts and giggles I would change my > starting weight. The calculator gave me the SAME RANGE of calories no > matter what I put in.> So to them I said, "PFFT!" and gave them the two fingers.> > > > >> > > I would totally believe if it became somewhat more efficient, but> > > according to that particular website and everyone on it I should> > > completely disregard the fact that I am now constantly moving about > 30> > > more hours a week than before where I was on my butt at my computer> > > during those 30 hours, you know?> > > > > > Hmm..it seems that particular website and the people on it are giving> > faulty information. > >>

[Guest guest]

Oddly enough, I heard about Intuitive Eating through sparkpeople as

well, in the eating disorders sparkteam.

> > > >

> > > > I would totally believe if it became somewhat more efficient, but

> > > > according to that particular website and everyone on it I should

> > > > completely disregard the fact that I am now constantly moving

about

> > 30

> > > > more hours a week than before where I was on my butt at my

computer

> > > > during those 30 hours, you know?

> > >

> > >

> > > Hmm..it seems that particular website and the people on it are

giving

> > > faulty information.

> > >

> >

>