Help!

[Guest guest]

Thanks!! Yesterday I had to break down and get my dr. to give me some pain

pills to make it through the move. It's harder than I thought it would be.

Pat

> Re: Help!

>

>

>

>

> You're absolutely right, Pat, there is nothing better than a

> sense of humor

> to get all through life's rough turmoils...it's also a good idea

> to cry once

> in awhile. Congrats on such a long marriage, you must be very proud. My

> thoughts and prayers are with you for an easy move (if that's possible).

> Please take care of you.

>

> A friend from land,

> Janet

> age: 35

> bmi: 50

> status: pre-op Just Approved by BCBS of MD on 5/12/99; surgery

> date 7/19/99

> family: married 15 years with 4 children (2 girls & 2 boys)

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[Guest guest]

Thanks!! Yesterday I had to break down and get my dr. to give me some pain

pills to make it through the move. It's harder than I thought it would be.

Pat

> Re: Help!

>

>

>

>

> You're absolutely right, Pat, there is nothing better than a

> sense of humor

> to get all through life's rough turmoils...it's also a good idea

> to cry once

> in awhile. Congrats on such a long marriage, you must be very proud. My

> thoughts and prayers are with you for an easy move (if that's possible).

> Please take care of you.

>

> A friend from land,

> Janet

> age: 35

> bmi: 50

> status: pre-op Just Approved by BCBS of MD on 5/12/99; surgery

> date 7/19/99

> family: married 15 years with 4 children (2 girls & 2 boys)

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

, Have you tried sending an email to the egroups people? Even if you

are going to resub with a new password and all, at least they could try to

stop whatever it is that is getting you subscribed. And hopefully then you

won't have to worry about it when you've changed everything. Amy

[Guest guest]

,

I couldn't help LOL!!! I almost fell off my chair.

Pam

[Guest guest]

,

I am so sorry but I just busted out in laughter when I read your

posts. I don't know what to tell, again I'm sorry for laughing.

Kel

[Guest guest]

,

I am so sorry but I just busted out in laughter when I read your

posts. I don't know what to tell, again I'm sorry for laughing.

Kel

[Guest guest]

,

I am so sorry but I just busted out in laughter when I read your

posts. I don't know what to tell, again I'm sorry for laughing.

Kel

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Gosh I'm sorry about your numbers, I'm hoping for the best for you on

Wednesday with the u/s and the blood work. Keep us posted and you're

in my thoughts and prayers.

Kel

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Gosh I'm sorry about your numbers, I'm hoping for the best for you on

Wednesday with the u/s and the blood work. Keep us posted and you're

in my thoughts and prayers.

Kel

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Gosh I'm sorry about your numbers, I'm hoping for the best for you on

Wednesday with the u/s and the blood work. Keep us posted and you're

in my thoughts and prayers.

Kel

[Guest guest]

Hi .

You may be increasing too quickly.

Your body has shown that it's very sensitive to begin with and you have to keep in mind that it takes four to six weeks for the T4 to build up in your tissues and show it's full affect.

You shouldn't do increases more frequently than 4 weeks when starting out and has your dosage builds you should increase the period of time between changes.

For myself... some of my adjustments were 12 weeks apart... and now... more like 6 months.... It takes time for the body to adjust and may take longer for a more sensitive/damaged system.

I'd back off, if I were you... .and be more patient. I know, I KNOW it's hard..... but to go too fast and cause problems for yourself again could mean stopping the meds and starting all over again.... in some cases it's just wiser to go slow and sure and allow your system time to adjust.

IMHO, of course.

Topper ()

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:15:35 -0000 "" writes:

As you all know, I am on synthroid and slowly increasing my dose. I started out at 25mcgs for a month, then went to 50 for a week, then yesterday Iwent to 75. Last night I went to bed cold and woke up a few hours later very warm, slightly sweaty, heart rate faster than normal and heart pounding, but not too bad. I did manage to sleep 7 hours. I take now 35 upon waking and 35 at 2pm. SHOULD I CONTINUE WITH THAT DOSE AND WAIT FROM MY BODY TO ADJUST, OR SHOULD I SLIP BACK TO THE 25 and 25 DOSING SCHEDULE FOR ANOTHER WEEK AND TRY TO UP IT AFTER THIS COMING WEEK??Thanks, P.S. I need a quick reply to know what to take this morning

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I understand....Boy do I understand!

The only thing that I can suggest is BE PATIENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Things did not go down hill over night, things won't heal overnight

either.

There is no magic pill for what ails us......sad but true.

My Grandmother lived for over 40 years without a Thyroid and on

Armour or one of its equivalents that was available in Canada.

It can be done, just not over night.

I am sure that you have read this before...Stay at your current

medication level for 6 or 8 weeks and THEN decide what course of

action you want to go. You and I both know that you have not been

taking 50mcg only for six weeks...You have to be consistant and

stead. Jumping around all over the place will not make your body

heal.

BE PATIENT!!! With yourself and your body....

Gossimer

>

> First I would like to thank you all for your support. It is

greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Last night was awful. I went to bed at about 10:30pm and just lay

> there wide awake until about 3am. I slept a little off and on. I

got

> about 1.5 hours of fragmented sleep the whole night. Woke up each

> time shaking for several seconds. Felt too warm but not sweaty.

> Actually I had been sleeping better the last few weeks until last

> night.

>

> I am stuck at 50 mcgs. I have been taking about 12.5 mgs of DHEA.

I

> don't know if I should increase it, stay the same with it,

decrease

> it or stop it all together.

>

> I am totally disgusted with this whole situation. I am thinking

about

> stoping the synthroid and dealing with the consequences like my 85

> year old mother has done for years.

>

> I can't tolerate Armour and this synthroid is screwing me up.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm still thinking this is adrenal, ...

Have you decided if you want to start on an adrenal supplement?

How did you feel this morning when you 'got up'?

Topper ()

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:03:07 -0000 "" writes:

First I would like to thank you all for your support. It is greatly appreciated. Last night was awful. I went to bed at about 10:30pm and just lay there wide awake until about 3am. I slept a little off and on. I got about 1.5 hours of fragmented sleep the whole night. Woke up each time shaking for several seconds. Felt too warm but not sweaty. Actually I had been sleeping better the last few weeks until last night. I am stuck at 50 mcgs. I have been taking about 12.5 mgs of DHEA. I don't know if I should increase it, stay the same with it, decrease it or stop it all together. I am totally disgusted with this whole situation. I am thinking about stoping the synthroid and dealing with the consequences like my 85 year old mother has done for years. I can't tolerate Armour and this synthroid is screwing me up.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Know that feeling of not being able to sleep but do think about what

you need to do. First know that you are not the first nor will you

be the last to feel like this, I think we have all wanted to quit at

one time or another. Quitting at this point may not be the best

thing for you. You have changed your meds so much lately that it is

possible that your poor old bod is not sure if it is up or down.

Time is not your enemy here give it all chance to work without doing

anymore changes and let everything stablize and then do a change,

but IMHO you could be doing too many changes in too short a time. I

was the other way and sucked it up for years, till I read, listened

and learned. The easy road is not always the best and what worked

for your mum may not work for you. What you need to do is try to

find that delicate balance that your body requires and that is going

to take time, patience and experimenting, but will be worth it in

the end. Hope you are feeling better soon.

Dawn

>

> First I would like to thank you all for your support. It is

greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Last night was awful. I went to bed at about 10:30pm and just lay

> there wide awake until about 3am. I slept a little off and on. I

got

> about 1.5 hours of fragmented sleep the whole night. Woke up each

> time shaking for several seconds. Felt too warm but not sweaty.

> Actually I had been sleeping better the last few weeks until last

> night.

>

> I am stuck at 50 mcgs. I have been taking about 12.5 mgs of DHEA.

I

> don't know if I should increase it, stay the same with it,

decrease

> it or stop it all together.

>

> I am totally disgusted with this whole situation. I am thinking

about

> stoping the synthroid and dealing with the consequences like my 85

> year old mother has done for years.

>

> I can't tolerate Armour and this synthroid is screwing me up.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I did not feel all that tired. I was very angry and agressive which I

get with DHEA. I will talk to the doc about this on Tuesday. He did

agree to add FREE T3 to my prescription, which is good. Last night

may have been a fluke. I will see how I do tonight. I will also talk

to him about a prescription for adrenal support. I will go over the

blood work with you on Jan 13th when I get the results.

Thanks,

In The_Thyroid_Support_Group , topper2@j... wrote:

> I'm still thinking this is adrenal, ...

>

> Have you decided if you want to start on an adrenal supplement?

>

> How did you feel this morning when you 'got up'?

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:03:07 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes:

>

> First I would like to thank you all for your support. It is greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Last night was awful. I went to bed at about 10:30pm and just lay

> there wide awake until about 3am. I slept a little off and on. I

got

> about 1.5 hours of fragmented sleep the whole night. Woke up each

> time shaking for several seconds. Felt too warm but not sweaty.

> Actually I had been sleeping better the last few weeks until last

> night.

>

> I am stuck at 50 mcgs. I have been taking about 12.5 mgs of DHEA. I

> don't know if I should increase it, stay the same with it,

decrease

> it or stop it all together.

>

> I am totally disgusted with this whole situation. I am thinking

about

> stoping the synthroid and dealing with the consequences like my 85

> year old mother has done for years.

>

> I can't tolerate Armour and this synthroid is screwing me up.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

You are very kind and I do appreciate it very much. I think I was

having a " pitty party " as someone once said (about themselves). I was

on 12.5 mgs of DHEA for about a week I think. Historically DHEA has

made me very angry and agressive. I wanted to get the dishes out this

morning and smash everyone of them. That is very much out of

character for me. I am usually pretty mellow. It made me take a step

back and look at myself. I knew immediately that that behavior was

the DHEA. SO I stopped the DHEA (12.5mgs) this morning. I will see

how I do tomorrow. In the past when I sleep so little I usually do

well the next night. I will keep my fingers crossed. I will stick

with the 50mcgs of Syn for the time being.

I will talk to the doc on Tues about a different adrenal support,

maybe a prescription.

> >

> > First I would like to thank you all for your support. It is

> greatly

> > appreciated.

> >

> > Last night was awful. I went to bed at about 10:30pm and just lay

> > there wide awake until about 3am. I slept a little off and on. I

> got

> > about 1.5 hours of fragmented sleep the whole night. Woke up each

> > time shaking for several seconds. Felt too warm but not sweaty.

> > Actually I had been sleeping better the last few weeks until last

> > night.

> >

> > I am stuck at 50 mcgs. I have been taking about 12.5 mgs of DHEA.

> I

> > don't know if I should increase it, stay the same with it,

> decrease

> > it or stop it all together.

> >

> > I am totally disgusted with this whole situation. I am thinking

> about

> > stoping the synthroid and dealing with the consequences like my

85

> > year old mother has done for years.

> >

> > I can't tolerate Armour and this synthroid is screwing me up.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This sounds very much like what happened to me when I started

thyroid. I was first put on Lavoxyl and I became an almost total

insomniac for over 2 months. I could not go to sleep and would lie

awake from 9:00 untill 5:00 in the morning. I fell apart. I was

started on thyroid without adrenal support and that was the problem.

I had to fire my doctor because she would not help and I quickly

found that I could not continue to do my job in such a state. I

missed a lot of work and thought I would have to leave.

I found a new doctor who put me on 10-20 mg of cortef a day in 4

doses and I slowly recovered over the next few months. I still had

some trouble with sleep, but overall the cortef got me 6 hours a

night vs. the 1 or 2 I had without it.

I could not even tolerate 1/8 of a grain of Armour and I became an

insomniac on 25mcg of Levoxyl. I am now up to 3-3/4 grains and doing

well. I still have some low adrenal issues in stress. It took me two

years to get here. I could only make 1/8 grain raises once every 4

weeks at best and found extra adrenal support for a few days after

each thyroid raise very helpful at preventing those insomniac

nights. My former doctor, who was a hypo himself said that you

sometimes have to get worse for a while to get better. I think that

you just have to ride it out. It is not easy to change your

metabolic rate, when it has been low a long time. It is a good

learning experience. You learn to figure out what is important and

worth investing energy in. You learn how to pace yourself. You learn

how to take better care of yourself in the fight to heal. In the

long run, I think it is better to stick with it and figure out how

to heal. I certainly feel better today than I did before my

diagnosis.

If adrenal fatigue is bad enough, you will loose your sleep cycle

entirely. Many stressors would trigger an all night insomnia for me

back in those times of recovery. They were, too much activity in the

day, too much sugar or caffiene, getting too cold or hot, and not

going to bed when I was tired, even if that was 8:00.

Tish

[Guest guest]

All the synthetics are known for their variation from batch to batch. They have a +/- of 10 %. That means that one bottle of 100 mcg could actually have only 90 mcg in it and the next could have 110 mcg in it... that's a difference of up to 20 mcg when changing bottles. First, I'd check the lot numbers on the bottles to determine if they are from the same lot or not. The other variables, you can't check, did the pharmacy store them properly? Did you? It's important that you keep them within the temp range noted on the bottle to maintain consistency.

We know that you are VERY sensitive to adjustments. So, options. Cut back on the dosage from this new bottle for a bit and allow your body to adjust to it... Split the dose and see if your body can handle it better in two doses rather than all at once...

Waking at night like that is often a sign of adrenal issues as well, so it's possible that if this is an issue of increased potency in a new batch that your adrenals are reacting to that increase...

Next time you see your doc, request that you get more than one bottle at a time, watch to make sure that the bottles that you get are from the same batch each time you refill your prescription and when it's time to get more, get it before your last bottle is empty and then alternate days, for several weeks, taking a pill from the old bottle one day, the new bottle the next day, the old bottle the next, and so on.

Synthetics, sad to say, are notorious for issues of batch to batch consistency and shelf life...

Topper ()

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:00:25 -0000 "" writes:

Ok, here is what happened. I had gotten my dose of syn up to 100mcgs over the last 4 months and was doing fairly well. Actually I have been on 100 mcgs for almost a month. I ran out of my first batch of 100 mcg pills and refilled my prescription two days ago. So I took my first 100 mcg pill from the new bottle yesterday at 8am. I did ok all day, was tired last night so I went to bed at about 9:15am. I woke up about 1am hot, sweaty, pounding fast heart (about 95bpm), ringing ears, and breathlessness. I did manage to sleep off and on a little after that, but not well. I felt this way for the rest of the night. I have heard that syn can very from batch to batch, but this was a rough ride last night. So this morning, should I skip my dose of syn all together today and take 3/4 dose from now on or should I take 3/4 dose this morning? Any advice will help.

[Guest guest]

,

You actually gave me an idea. Instead of taking one pill from one

bottle one day and one from the other the other day. I could cut the

old pill in half and the new pill in half for a week and take half of

each. Therefore, the varience will only be up to 10mcgs. The other

method would be a problem for me because on the day that I took the

new pill it caused me problems. Maybe I can ask the doc for 200 mcgs

and then cut them in half each day. That would work for 2 months at a

time.

Will keep you posted.

> All the synthetics are known for their variation from batch to

batch.

> They have a +/- of 10 %. That means that one bottle of 100 mcg could

> actually have only 90 mcg in it and the next could have 110 mcg in

it...

> that's a difference of up to 20 mcg when changing bottles. First,

I'd

> check the lot numbers on the bottles to determine if they are from

the

> same lot or not. The other variables, you can't check, did the

pharmacy

> store them properly? Did you? It's important that you keep them

within

> the temp range noted on the bottle to maintain consistency.

>

> We know that you are VERY sensitive to adjustments. So, options.

Cut back

> on the dosage from this new bottle for a bit and allow your body to

> adjust to it... Split the dose and see if your body can handle it

better

> in two doses rather than all at once...

>

> Waking at night like that is often a sign of adrenal issues as

well, so

> it's possible that if this is an issue of increased potency in a new

> batch that your adrenals are reacting to that increase...

>

> Next time you see your doc, request that you get more than one

bottle at

> a time, watch to make sure that the bottles that you get are from

the

> same batch each time you refill your prescription and when it's

time to

> get more, get it before your last bottle is empty and then alternate

> days, for several weeks, taking a pill from the old bottle one day,

the

> new bottle the next day, the old bottle the next, and so on.

>

> Synthetics, sad to say, are notorious for issues of batch to batch

> consistency and shelf life...

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:00:25 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes:

>

> Ok, here is what happened. I had gotten my dose of syn up to

100mcgs

> over the last 4 months and was doing fairly well. Actually I have

> been on 100 mcgs for almost a month. I ran out of my first batch of

> 100 mcg pills and refilled my prescription two days ago. So I took

> my first 100 mcg pill from the new bottle yesterday at 8am. I did

ok

> all day, was tired last night so I went to bed at about 9:15am. I

> woke up about 1am hot, sweaty, pounding fast heart (about 95bpm),

> ringing ears, and breathlessness. I did manage to sleep off and on

a

> little after that, but not well. I felt this way for the rest of

the

> night. I have heard that syn can very from batch to batch, but this

> was a rough ride last night. So this morning, should I skip my dose

> of syn all together today and take 3/4 dose from now on or should I

> take 3/4 dose this morning? Any advice will help.

>

>

[Guest guest]

There's a thought... Assuming that you can get even splits....

Let us know how it works.. you're our poster child for EXTREME sensitivity!

*smile*

Topper ()

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:24:47 -0000 "" writes:

,You actually gave me an idea. Instead of taking one pill from one bottle one day and one from the other the other day. I could cut the old pill in half and the new pill in half for a week and take half of each. Therefore, the varience will only be up to 10mcgs. The other method would be a problem for me because on the day that I took the new pill it caused me problems. Maybe I can ask the doc for 200 mcgs and then cut them in half each day. That would work for 2 months at a time.Will keep you posted.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My symptoms last night were about 1/2 as bad as the night before.

Instead of taking 1/2 a dose like I did yesterday morning, this

morning I took 3/4 of a dose. I will see how I do tonite. Thanks for

the help.

> There's a thought... Assuming that you can get even splits....

>

> Let us know how it works.. you're our poster child for EXTREME

> sensitivity!

>

> *smile*

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:24:47 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes:

>

> ,

>

> You actually gave me an idea. Instead of taking one pill from one

> bottle one day and one from the other the other day. I could cut

the

> old pill in half and the new pill in half for a week and take half

of

> each. Therefore, the varience will only be up to 10mcgs. The other

> method would be a problem for me because on the day that I took the

> new pill it caused me problems. Maybe I can ask the doc for 200

mcgs

> and then cut them in half each day. That would work for 2 months at

a

> time.

>

> Will keep you posted.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hopefully your body will settle down, too.. Remember, it was two years of futzing with dosage and timing before my body could take the dose without having fits..... That's what can happen when the docs wait to long to treat you! arrrgghhhhh

You'll make it....

Topper ()

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:24:51 -0000 "" writes:

Hi ,My symptoms last night were about 1/2 as bad as the night before. Instead of taking 1/2 a dose like I did yesterday morning, this morning I took 3/4 of a dose. I will see how I do tonite. Thanks for the help.

[Guest guest]

Hopefully your body will settle down, too.. Remember, it was two years of futzing with dosage and timing before my body could take the dose without having fits..... That's what can happen when the docs wait to long to treat you! arrrgghhhhh

You'll make it....

Topper ()

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:24:51 -0000 "" writes:

Hi ,My symptoms last night were about 1/2 as bad as the night before. Instead of taking 1/2 a dose like I did yesterday morning, this morning I took 3/4 of a dose. I will see how I do tonite. Thanks for the help.

[Guest guest]

Just a thought, so don't take this as hard cold fact, , but I'm thinking

that, even though you're low in thyroid hormone, you MAY be a VERY rapid

converter of T4 to T3, so therefore, the fast sensitivity. That's only

something I've been thinking about concerning you, and I didn't get it from

any factual information anywhere. I know that if we don't have a problem

converting T4 to T3, as many do, but we're just low in the thyroid hormone,

this COULD be a factor in sensitivity to increases. Also, what IS fact, is

that those who do not have a problem with conversion will convert T4 to T3

very rapidly when we're still very low. This is the body's desperate

attempt to get hormone rapidly into the cells in a dire situation. And the

fact that some people have these fast reactions indicates to me that their

body cells are also not having much problem taking on the T3, as they begin

to have something that is similar to hyper symptoms. Doesn't mean that they

aren't low in hormone, seems to me that it would just indicate that their

body responds very rapidly, that is, this would be the case IF low adrenals

aren't involved. The fact that you have OCD seems to indicate to me (IMHO)

that your chemistry has some very sensitive involvement anyway, and I think

that it's all intertwined in relation to everything else. Looking back, I

had a period of time for MONTHS on end way back there, where I got into

checking the door locks over and over and over again. This was about 18 yrs

ago, at the point where I started dropping weight very rapidly, though I was

eating normally, and was probably the first phases of Hashi's, IMO. There

were other more subtle symptoms that I would even consider OCD. I now don't

have an OCD bone in my body however, so I don't really know what the

relation would be with the brain chemistry, as I haven't really looked into

this. I know that any thyroid disease, particularly Hashi's is related to

many mental disorders, bipolar in particular. I have a copy of The

Psychiatric Manifestations of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, but I don't know

where the person who posted it got it, as it doesn't have a website address

on it. It IS a doctors' study, with case samples on it, with many doctors'

names connected to it, and one of the cases looked like MY life story, hehe!

If I can find it, I'll post it, if anyone is interested here.

Re: HELP!

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> My symptoms last night were about 1/2 as bad as the night before.

> Instead of taking 1/2 a dose like I did yesterday morning, this

> morning I took 3/4 of a dose. I will see how I do tonite. Thanks for

> the help.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I for one would like to have a chance to read this article, when you

get a chance to post it.

Gossimer

<snip>

I have a copy of The

> Psychiatric Manifestations of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, but I don't

know

> where the person who posted it got it, as it doesn't have a

website address

> on it. It IS a doctors' study, with case samples on it, with many

doctors'

> names connected to it, and one of the cases looked like MY life

story, hehe!

> If I can find it, I'll post it, if anyone is interested here.

>

>