Re: doctor's visit (long)

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Hey all, it's been insanely busy for me for the

last few months, so I haven't posted but have

" lurked " when I had a few moments, keeping basic

tabs on discussions.

Also, to be honest, I quit posting because like

Kip I was coming to some realizations about IE,

wrestling with NOT losing weight on it, etc. I

was on the verge of going back to some kind of

formal diet... fought that and hopped briefly

on the McKenna wagon (very briefly)... did

what I read someone else on here was doing, which

is the " there's gotta be a book out there that

has the answer " .... etc, etc, etc. Ad nauseum.

So several months later, here's where I'm at,

right or wrong:

* After nearly 50 years of bad eating habits

(primarily eating too fast), none of the " methods "

to combat that (chew slowly, put fork down, etc)

work for me. I simply always default to scarfing

food down. None of my attempts to change that

have made a dent lasting longer than one day.

* I eat too much food. Period. I eat a healthy

variety of food, and like anyone else I sometimes

don't, but bottom line I just eat too much.

* I cannot diet. The idea of putting away the

foods I enjoy and eating only certain foods for

the rest of my life is simply too delibitating

for me to even imagine anymore. I am not going

to count another calorie. I am not going to

even NOTICE another fat gram. I simply cannot

do it.

* I fully believe IE contains the CORE of what

I need to lose my excess weight, but even that

was not enough to overcome my biggest problem,

which is simply eating too fast/too much. I know in

weight loss circles there's always lots of talk

about emotional eating, and I know that's an

issue for lots of people, but that's never been

my issue - I just plain consume a lot of food

really fast.

So... here's what I'm doing, and if it banishes

me from this forum so be it. I've settled into

this : I will eat whatever food I want, I will

eat when I am hungry and not until, but for me

I simply MUST eat 1/2 of what I normally would

eat. At each meal. At every eating event. 1/2

it is my new mantra. I'm not paying attention

to calories, not paying attention to fat grams,

not paying attention to " good for you " versus

" certain death " ... I'll eat what I want when I'm

hungry, but I will half it and not return to the

other half until I am truly hungry.

It's a sort of hybrid IE I suppose. But it's

actually working - I dropped, as of this

morning, 6 pounds in the first week of " half-

sies. " Don't expect it'll keep at that rate,

but a pound a week will get me to my goal

weight by Christmas, and I'm okay with that.

Let the posting begin - I'm sure half of you

want to kill me for returning to " dieting, "

and I may be simply rationalizing this " sort

of IE " way of life, but I haven't heard a lot

of talk in this group about VOLUME of food

consumed, and it really is my primary issue.

If I can't slow myself down when I eat, and

I know it takes 20 minutes or more for me to

even recognize that I'm full, which means I

will NEVER recognize fullness when my plate

is empty, at least I can stack the deck by

1/2-ing what I would normally eat and then

walking away.

This probably makes no sense to anyone but

me...

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Hey Gym! I noticed you hadn't been posting for the last few weeks. Good to have you back! As for your "halvies" approach...I think it is still IE. You are not restricting what you eat. And you said you are waiting until you are hungry again so it sounds to me like you are honouring your hunger! It sounds like IE to me! I'm interested to hear what others will say.gymisadrug wrote: Hey all, it's been insanely

busy for me for thelast few months, so I haven't posted but have"lurked" when I had a few moments, keeping basictabs on discussions. Also, to be honest, I quit posting because likeKip I was coming to some realizations about IE,wrestling with NOT losing weight on it, etc. Iwas on the verge of going back to some kind offormal diet... fought that and hopped brieflyon the McKenna wagon (very briefly)... didwhat I read someone else on here was doing, whichis the "there's gotta be a book out there thathas the answer".... etc, etc, etc. Ad nauseum.So several months later, here's where I'm at, right or wrong: * After nearly 50 years of bad eating habits(primarily eating too fast), none of the "methods"to combat that (chew slowly, put fork down, etc)work for me. I simply always default to scarfingfood down. None of my attempts to change that have made a dent lasting longer than one day.

* I eat too much food. Period. I eat a healthyvariety of food, and like anyone else I sometimesdon't, but bottom line I just eat too much. * I cannot diet. The idea of putting away thefoods I enjoy and eating only certain foods forthe rest of my life is simply too delibitatingfor me to even imagine anymore. I am not goingto count another calorie. I am not going to even NOTICE another fat gram. I simply cannotdo it. * I fully believe IE contains the CORE of what I need to lose my excess weight, but even that was not enough to overcome my biggest problem, which is simply eating too fast/too much. I know in weight loss circles there's always lots of talkabout emotional eating, and I know that's anissue for lots of people, but that's never beenmy issue - I just plain consume a lot of foodreally fast. So... here's what I'm doing, and if it banishesme from this forum so be it. I've settled

intothis : I will eat whatever food I want, I willeat when I am hungry and not until, but for meI simply MUST eat 1/2 of what I normally wouldeat. At each meal. At every eating event. 1/2it is my new mantra. I'm not paying attentionto calories, not paying attention to fat grams,not paying attention to "good for you" versus"certain death"... I'll eat what I want when I'mhungry, but I will half it and not return to theother half until I am truly hungry. It's a sort of hybrid IE I suppose. But it's actually working - I dropped, as of this morning, 6 pounds in the first week of "half-sies." Don't expect it'll keep at that rate,but a pound a week will get me to my goal weight by Christmas, and I'm okay with that. Let the posting begin - I'm sure half of youwant to kill me for returning to "dieting,"and I may be simply rationalizing this "sortof IE" way of life, but I haven't heard a

lotof talk in this group about VOLUME of food consumed, and it really is my primary issue.If I can't slow myself down when I eat, andI know it takes 20 minutes or more for me toeven recognize that I'm full, which means I will NEVER recognize fullness when my plateis empty, at least I can stack the deck by1/2-ing what I would normally eat and thenwalking away. This probably makes no sense to anyone butme...

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I'll eat what I want when I'm

hungry, but I will half it and not return to the

other half until I am truly hungry.

Isn't that kind of the point of IE? Your plan makes perfect sense to me!

Re: doctor's visit (long)

Hey all, it's been insanely busy for me for the

last few months, so I haven't posted but have

"lurked" when I had a few moments, keeping basic

tabs on discussions.

Also, to be honest, I quit posting because like

Kip I was coming to some realizations about IE,

wrestling with NOT losing weight on it, etc. I

was on the verge of going back to some kind of

formal diet... fought that and hopped briefly

on the McKenna wagon (very briefly)... did

what I read someone else on here was doing, which

is the "there's gotta be a book out there that

has the answer".... etc, etc, etc. Ad nauseum.

So several months later, here's where I'm at,

right or wrong:

* After nearly 50 years of bad eating habits

(primarily eating too fast), none of the "methods"

to combat that (chew slowly, put fork down, etc)

work for me. I simply always default to scarfing

food down. None of my attempts to change that

have made a dent lasting longer than one day.

* I eat too much food. Period. I eat a healthy

variety of food, and like anyone else I sometimes

don't, but bottom line I just eat too much.

* I cannot diet. The idea of putting away the

foods I enjoy and eating only certain foods for

the rest of my life is simply too delibitating

for me to even imagine anymore. I am not going

to count another calorie. I am not going to

even NOTICE another fat gram. I simply cannot

do it.

* I fully believe IE contains the CORE of what

I need to lose my excess weight, but even that

was not enough to overcome my biggest problem,

which is simply eating too fast/too much. I know in

weight loss circles there's always lots of talk

about emotional eating, and I know that's an

issue for lots of people, but that's never been

my issue - I just plain consume a lot of food

really fast.

So... here's what I'm doing, and if it banishes

me from this forum so be it. I've settled into

this : I will eat whatever food I want, I will

eat when I am hungry and not until, but for me

I simply MUST eat 1/2 of what I normally would

eat. At each meal. At every eating event. 1/2

it is my new mantra. I'm not paying attention

to calories, not paying attention to fat grams,

not paying attention to "good for you" versus

"certain death"... I'll eat what I want when I'm

hungry, but I will half it and not return to the

other half until I am truly hungry.

It's a sort of hybrid IE I suppose. But it's

actually working - I dropped, as of this

morning, 6 pounds in the first week of "half-

sies." Don't expect it'll keep at that rate,

but a pound a week will get me to my goal

weight by Christmas, and I'm okay with that.

Let the posting begin - I'm sure half of you

want to kill me for returning to "dieting,"

and I may be simply rationalizing this "sort

of IE" way of life, but I haven't heard a lot

of talk in this group about VOLUME of food

consumed, and it really is my primary issue.

If I can't slow myself down when I eat, and

I know it takes 20 minutes or more for me to

even recognize that I'm full, which means I

will NEVER recognize fullness when my plate

is empty, at least I can stack the deck by

1/2-ing what I would normally eat and then

walking away.

This probably makes no sense to anyone but

me...

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Thanks Kip. Like I said towards the end of the

post, the problem for me with " pure " IE has been

that I cannot recognize fullness until it's too

late, because I consume whatever I'm eating too

fast, and seem to be unable to change the SPEED.

Recognizing when you're full and stopping at

that point is fine if you can slow down long

enough to make a meal last 20 minutes or more

and not 5 minutes or less, but while I have had

some very LIMITED successes with slowing down,

it doesn't last, and I always go back to default,

eating quickly. If that's the way it is for me,

fine, but that only leaves me with changing

the volume of what is consumed in that 5 minutes.

One reply said to make sure it doesn't become a

" rule, " and that's right, but I've found that for

the most part my body seems to understand the

concept of " when the plate is empty the meal is

over. " So any feeling of deprivation hasn't been

there. And I'm still honoring when I truly AM

hungry - couple times this week I ate " lunch " at

work at 10am, cause that's when I got hungry again.

And that's okay.

>

> Hey Gym! I noticed you hadn't been posting for the last few

weeks. Good to have you back!

>

> As for your " halvies " approach...I think it is still IE. You

are not restricting what you eat. And you said you are waiting

until you are hungry again so it sounds to me like you are honouring

your hunger! It sounds like IE to me!

>

> I'm interested to hear what others will say.

>

[Guest guest]

Gym, IE is all about NO RULES! I think we each must find what 'works'

for ourselves and let that be the best way for YOU to eat. I know I

don't need to eat as much as I probably did pre-IE. I too haven't been

able to eat along the guidelines suggested - I still nibble while at

my computer, as I watch our nightly movie and dinner is visiting time

as much as feeding ourselves too. The good news is that I bet you are

feeling as 'satisfied' with your '1/2 portions' more than you felt

when you ate 'as usual' (before). Bet you don't have any urge to beat

yourself up after a meal either - that's wonderful!

I amaze myself when I can and do not eat all of a plateful when eating

out. I don't feel at all odd with asking for a container and then

reheating it to eat later when I am hungry again. I haven't dropped

weight as I would like to, but I feel that progress comes one way at a

time and I'll take what I can!

SO GLAD to see you posting, I missed ya ehugs, Katcha

>

> Hey all, it's been insanely busy for me for the

> last few months, so I haven't posted but have

> " lurked " when I had a few moments, keeping basic

> tabs on discussions.

>

> Also, to be honest, I quit posting because like

> Kip I was coming to some realizations about IE,

> wrestling with NOT losing weight on it, etc. I

> was on the verge of going back to some kind of

> formal diet... fought that and hopped briefly

> on the McKenna wagon (very briefly)... did

> what I read someone else on here was doing, which

> is the " there's gotta be a book out there that

> has the answer " .... etc, etc, etc. Ad nauseum.

>

> So several months later, here's where I'm at,

> right or wrong:

>

> * After nearly 50 years of bad eating habits

> (primarily eating too fast), none of the " methods "

> to combat that (chew slowly, put fork down, etc)

> work for me. I simply always default to scarfing

> food down. None of my attempts to change that

> have made a dent lasting longer than one day.

> * I eat too much food. Period. I eat a healthy

> variety of food, and like anyone else I sometimes

> don't, but bottom line I just eat too much.

> * I cannot diet. The idea of putting away the

> foods I enjoy and eating only certain foods for

> the rest of my life is simply too delibitating

> for me to even imagine anymore. I am not going

> to count another calorie. I am not going to

> even NOTICE another fat gram. I simply cannot

> do it.

> * I fully believe IE contains the CORE of what

> I need to lose my excess weight, but even that

> was not enough to overcome my biggest problem,

> which is simply eating too fast/too much. I know in

> weight loss circles there's always lots of talk

> about emotional eating, and I know that's an

> issue for lots of people, but that's never been

> my issue - I just plain consume a lot of food

> really fast.

>

> So... here's what I'm doing, and if it banishes

> me from this forum so be it. I've settled into

> this : I will eat whatever food I want, I will

> eat when I am hungry and not until, but for me

> I simply MUST eat 1/2 of what I normally would

> eat. At each meal. At every eating event. 1/2

> it is my new mantra. I'm not paying attention

> to calories, not paying attention to fat grams,

> not paying attention to " good for you " versus

> " certain death " ... I'll eat what I want when I'm

> hungry, but I will half it and not return to the

> other half until I am truly hungry.

>

> It's a sort of hybrid IE I suppose. But it's

> actually working - I dropped, as of this

> morning, 6 pounds in the first week of " half-

> sies. " Don't expect it'll keep at that rate,

> but a pound a week will get me to my goal

> weight by Christmas, and I'm okay with that.

>

> Let the posting begin - I'm sure half of you

> want to kill me for returning to " dieting, "

> and I may be simply rationalizing this " sort

> of IE " way of life, but I haven't heard a lot

> of talk in this group about VOLUME of food

> consumed, and it really is my primary issue.

> If I can't slow myself down when I eat, and

> I know it takes 20 minutes or more for me to

> even recognize that I'm full, which means I

> will NEVER recognize fullness when my plate

> is empty, at least I can stack the deck by

> 1/2-ing what I would normally eat and then

> walking away.

>

> This probably makes no sense to anyone but

> me...

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey all, it's been insanely busy for me for the

> last few months, so I haven't posted but have

> " lurked " when I had a few moments, keeping basic

> tabs on discussions.

> So several months later, here's where I'm at,

> right or wrong:

I've settled into

> this : I will eat whatever food I want, I will

> eat when I am hungry and not until, but for me

> I simply MUST eat 1/2 of what I normally would

> eat. At each meal. At every eating event. 1/2

> it is my new mantra. I'm not paying attention

> to calories, not paying attention to fat grams,

> not paying attention to " good for you " versus

> " certain death " ... I'll eat what I want when I'm

> hungry, but I will half it and not return to the

> other half until I am truly hungry.

Gym - baby - we've missed you! I was wondering this morning whether

we should put out an all points bulletin to find you! (And Press -

where's Press?).

Good to have you back.

I don't have a problem with what you're doing - you're recognising

the flaws in your previous way of eating, and trying to find a way to

overcome it without feeling deprived. As you say - if you're hungry

for more, you can always come back for more. You're just working

around the limitations of your current behaviour.

I think if you aren't feeling deprived or " diety " or like you're

creating artificial cravings by denying yourself, you're doing just

fine, and more power to you. YOU are the ultimate judge of what sits

well with you and makes you feel good. Everyone's IE experience and

working of their " program " (for want of a better word) will be

different. Thanks for showing us an alternative way.

Good luck honey!

Love

Sigi

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Yeah, now that you mention it, where IS PRESS?

Haven't seen any posting from her in a while,

either.

Thanks for the welcome backs - I was unexpectedly

touched by being missed!!

I'm off to the shower, just got back from the gym

and I'm sitting here posting in sweat soaked clothes

-- don't use your imagination, it ain't pretty!! LOL!!!

Ya'll have a good weekend, I'll catch up with you

again on Monday.

> >

> > Hey all, it's been insanely busy for me for the

> > last few months, so I haven't posted but have

> > " lurked " when I had a few moments, keeping basic

> > tabs on discussions.

> > So several months later, here's where I'm at,

> > right or wrong:

>

> I've settled into

> > this : I will eat whatever food I want, I will

> > eat when I am hungry and not until, but for me

> > I simply MUST eat 1/2 of what I normally would

> > eat. At each meal. At every eating event. 1/2

> > it is my new mantra. I'm not paying attention

> > to calories, not paying attention to fat grams,

> > not paying attention to " good for you " versus

> > " certain death " ... I'll eat what I want when I'm

> > hungry, but I will half it and not return to the

> > other half until I am truly hungry.

>

>

> Gym - baby - we've missed you! I was wondering this morning

whether

> we should put out an all points bulletin to find you! (And Press -

> where's Press?).

>

> Good to have you back.

>

> I don't have a problem with what you're doing - you're recognising

> the flaws in your previous way of eating, and trying to find a way

to

> overcome it without feeling deprived. As you say - if you're

hungry

> for more, you can always come back for more. You're just working

> around the limitations of your current behaviour.

>

> I think if you aren't feeling deprived or " diety " or like you're

> creating artificial cravings by denying yourself, you're doing

just

> fine, and more power to you. YOU are the ultimate judge of what

sits

> well with you and makes you feel good. Everyone's IE experience

and

> working of their " program " (for want of a better word) will be

> different. Thanks for showing us an alternative way.

>

> Good luck honey!

> Love

> Sigi

>