Re: [texasems-L]BS reasons for EMS call (was Liens for EMS bills)

January 14, 2004

DFW,

If we could outlaw stupidity we'd all be in trouble and half of my calls in

my 22 years would never have been placed.

Your glass in the Coke story WILL I am sure find it's way into some class I

teach at some time!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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January 14, 2004

DFW,

If we could outlaw stupidity we'd all be in trouble and half of my calls in

my 22 years would never have been placed.

Your glass in the Coke story WILL I am sure find it's way into some class I

teach at some time!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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(Fire Field Office)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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January 14, 2004

Hate to bring this up, but; How about the humanitarian side of our job. The

same addict that " snorts glass " is in a world where they need help, they can't

do it for themselves so they turn to us for the help. Think about it.

Cocaine use is against the law, why state that they are taking it in the first

place? Although these patients also irritate me, we are there to help. If we

forget what we are there for we need to find another line of work. EMS is

changing. People regard us as, dare I say it; " Medical Professionals " . That

means

those outside the realm of EMS and the medical profession regard us in the same

light as the Emergency Room Nurse. Asking for help is hard enough when you

have suffered an accident, these people do it to themselves. Stupid but true.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

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January 14, 2004

Hate to bring this up, but; How about the humanitarian side of our job. The

same addict that " snorts glass " is in a world where they need help, they can't

do it for themselves so they turn to us for the help. Think about it.

Cocaine use is against the law, why state that they are taking it in the first

place? Although these patients also irritate me, we are there to help. If we

forget what we are there for we need to find another line of work. EMS is

changing. People regard us as, dare I say it; " Medical Professionals " . That

means

those outside the realm of EMS and the medical profession regard us in the same

light as the Emergency Room Nurse. Asking for help is hard enough when you

have suffered an accident, these people do it to themselves. Stupid but true.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

January 14, 2004

For information HIPPA relates to information not related to medical treatment

purposes, not for violations of law. I don't think this has been tried in

court yet but I can see it being done. Of course if I am incorrect I am sure

there will be an attorney comment somewhere. The argument can be made that drug

abuse is a form of self mutilation.

I am not joking about the Medical Professional statement. We don't feel

sometimes as part of the medical profession but we are. We may even be informed

by our counterparts in the ER that we are not medical professionals. They are

jealous because they know we are quickly being put into this realm.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

January 14, 2004

For information HIPPA relates to information not related to medical treatment

purposes, not for violations of law. I don't think this has been tried in

court yet but I can see it being done. Of course if I am incorrect I am sure

there will be an attorney comment somewhere. The argument can be made that drug

abuse is a form of self mutilation.

I am not joking about the Medical Professional statement. We don't feel

sometimes as part of the medical profession but we are. We may even be informed

by our counterparts in the ER that we are not medical professionals. They are

jealous because they know we are quickly being put into this realm.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

January 14, 2004

In a message dated 1/14/2004 4:05:18 PM Central Standard Time,

dfw_firefighter@... writes:

and " betcha if your baby's daddy had a 40 ounce for you where he

stays you'd find a ride " ...

Pretty harsh but funny and true.

DFW

Not only is it pretty harsh, but it is very racial also. Please be careful

that you don't print everything your uneducated brain tells you too.

Andy Foote

EMS Manager

January 14, 2004

In a message dated 1/14/2004 4:05:18 PM Central Standard Time,

dfw_firefighter@... writes:

and " betcha if your baby's daddy had a 40 ounce for you where he

stays you'd find a ride " ...

Pretty harsh but funny and true.

DFW

Not only is it pretty harsh, but it is very racial also. Please be careful

that you don't print everything your uneducated brain tells you too.

Andy Foote

EMS Manager

January 14, 2004

I apologize but it was and is a sensitive issue with me. I sent (I thought)

to Dfw personal address and it was not to come out on egroup. I apologized to

him privately and now publicly. It is something that keeps the fires going

when it is printed and I was more than hasty in my reply.

Andy

January 14, 2004

I apologize but it was and is a sensitive issue with me. I sent (I thought)

to Dfw personal address and it was not to come out on egroup. I apologized to

him privately and now publicly. It is something that keeps the fires going

when it is printed and I was more than hasty in my reply.

Andy

January 14, 2004

The " EMS " run I have yet to grasp the seriousness of is the " OB

emergency " type run. Granted, situations arise that necessitate EMS

being called but how about the 9 OB, BOWI, contractions infrequent,

due 2 days ago, and needs a ride to the hospital because " my baby's

daddy ain't here " ? The words " emergency " and " childbirth " RARELY

belong in the same sentence (or paragraph for that matter). One

paramedic that I work with is particularly verbal with these

folks... " look here playa... I betcha if someone had a bag of weed

waitin' for you over in XXX you'd find a way to get there "

and " betcha if your baby's daddy had a 40 ounce for you where he

stays you'd find a ride " ...

Pretty harsh but funny and true.

DFW

January 14, 2004

I can say with absolutely no doubt that that person would not work as my

partner the first time that came out to a patient or a patients family. This

is one example why EMS has the reputation that it has.

No wonder you are not signing your name, I would be embarrassed too.

Joby Berkley

Re: BS reasons for EMS call (was Liens for EMS bills)

> The " EMS " run I have yet to grasp the seriousness of is the " OB

> emergency " type run. Granted, situations arise that necessitate EMS

> being called but how about the 9 OB, BOWI, contractions infrequent,

> due 2 days ago, and needs a ride to the hospital because " my baby's

> daddy ain't here " ? The words " emergency " and " childbirth " RARELY

> belong in the same sentence (or paragraph for that matter). One

> paramedic that I work with is particularly verbal with these

> folks... " look here playa... I betcha if someone had a bag of weed

> waitin' for you over in XXX you'd find a way to get there "

> and " betcha if your baby's daddy had a 40 ounce for you where he

> stays you'd find a ride " ...

>

> Pretty harsh but funny and true.

>

> DFW

>

January 14, 2004

I have another one for you...

The cocaine addict " did " a few lines of coke even though glass

shards/particles were mixed in it due to the container breaking in

her purse. Her complaint was that she was concerned about glass

particles in her nostrils and airway. The cocaine was done several

hours prior to her calling for an ambulance and she had no complaint

other than her " concern " . I asked her why she did the cocaine after

she knew there was glass in it... her response was " I done paid for

the shit... I ain't gonna waste it " . Her room mate stopped us as

we were starting to leave with our patient to give her the bus pass

to get home. Go figure.

It sure is nice knowing that my job is as secure as a job can be

these days.

As long as these folks continue to live the lifestyle they live and

as long as they continue to reproduce year after year after year I

am confident firefighters, paramedics, and police officers will have

a place in society.

DFW

January 14, 2004

Joby,

My initials are DFW (as ironic as that is) and I do not condone that

paramedic's statements.

DFW

January 14, 2004

Joby,

My initials are DFW (as ironic as that is) and I do not condone that

paramedic's statements.

DFW

January 14, 2004

No, they CAN do for themselves, but they choose not to...there is a vast

difference. I'm as humanitarian as the next guy, but sometimes I have to

wonder what goes on in people's heads.

Here's what it boils down to. Lack of primary healthcare, and way too many

lawyers. If the ER is your doctor, and every time you go there you wait 12

hours, you start to notice that the people who come in on the big yellow

stretcher seem to go right back....you'd be an idiot not to try the same

thing. You could pay the 10 bucks for a cab ride, or call 911 for free. What

are you going to do? I have trouble generating compassion for these folks. I

understand where they are coming from, and I do my job like a pro, but do

they deserve my humanitarianism? I save that for the people waiting for a

unit when we run out who might actually need us.

I have a cardiac arrest patient in the ICU currently, who stands a

reasonable chance of going home. He didn't have another 60 seconds to spare,

literally. The chances are better than even that on a normal day where I

work, all our units would have been doing something similar to what has been

described today, and he'd be at the cemetary right now. Who's worried about

that guy?

I cannot help these people, I can merely facillitate their continued abuse

of both the public health system and the emergency service system.....with a

smile, until the system collapses completely, or somebody above my pay grade

tells me to stop.

magnetass sends

Re: BS reasons for EMS call (was Liens for EMS bills)

> Hate to bring this up, but; How about the humanitarian side of our job.

The

> same addict that " snorts glass " is in a world where they need help, they

can't

> do it for themselves so they turn to us for the help. Think about it.

> Cocaine use is against the law, why state that they are taking it in the

first

> place? Although these patients also irritate me, we are there to help.

If we

> forget what we are there for we need to find another line of work. EMS is

> changing. People regard us as, dare I say it; " Medical Professionals " .

That means

> those outside the realm of EMS and the medical profession regard us in the

same

> light as the Emergency Room Nurse. Asking for help is hard enough when

you

> have suffered an accident, these people do it to themselves. Stupid but

true.

>

> Danny L.

> Owner/NREMT-P

> Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

> (PETSAR)

> Office

> FAX

>

January 14, 2004