Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/ Link to Shattocks site Mandi in UK > I havent got the addy at the moment but look up Dr. Shattock at the > Sunderland University in the UK. He is an autism researcher ( > Pharmacologist by training). He has a page on Gulf War Syndrome which you > should really read. > > julie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 My dh is currently active duty. We do not have a diagnosis yet but we have an 8ds and a 6ds that fall within the spectrum and my dh was diagnosed this year with an anxiety disorder. They all three have trouble with gluten and casein, artificial anything, and soy. Not only is there a possible genetic connection but my dh has been injected with more than I'll go into here as well as taking the malaria pill meflecquin -sp?-(blamed for possibly being the root cause for the murders/suicides at Ft. Bragg) before, during, and after our kids births. Those of us around here with kids with problems don't have to think twice about what the affects may have been. (sigh) Tonya Dillingham Mothersheart1996@... [ ] Thinking out loud Listers: I've got a couple of questions for you and a couple of things that may make you go hmmm. I know it has us. I recently became aware of several of our old military buddies who have been dx'd with MS, Parkinson's and other assorted auto-immune type diseases. I also recently stumbled across a list with Young Parkinson's patients on it with a disproportionally (at least to me) number of ex-military members. MOST of them are Air Force and Navy vets, MOST of them were either jet mechanics or pilots/flight crew members. This includes my Steve. I have a sneeking suspicion that these are related to the heavy metals found in the jet fuels, the engine cleaning chemicals and yes the IMMUNIZATIONS they received among other things. A few of them also have kids with problems who fall into the autism spectrum. How many of you on the list are active duty or ex-military, know of or have family members who are ex-military with these type problems? I'm just curious at this point. Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Vickie--- by all means look into this. I have seen a number of references to people studying the " Gluf War syndrome " and the peculiar diseases these folks have come down with. Huggins has some stuff on his website about it, for one. A search should find reading material for a long while. Moria > Listers: > > I've got a couple of questions for you and a couple of things that may > make you go hmmm. I know it has us. > > I recently became aware of several of our old military buddies who > have been dx'd with MS, Parkinson's and other assorted auto-immune > type diseases. I also recently stumbled across a list with Young > Parkinson's patients on it with a disproportionally (at least to me) > number of ex-military members. MOST of them are Air Force and Navy > vets, MOST of them were either jet mechanics or pilots/flight crew > members. This includes my Steve. I have a sneeking suspicion that > these are related to the heavy metals found in the jet fuels, the > engine cleaning chemicals and yes the IMMUNIZATIONS they received > among other things. > > A few of them also have kids with problems who fall into the autism > spectrum. > > How many of you on the list are active duty or ex-military, know of or > have family members who are ex-military with these type problems? I'm > just curious at this point. > > Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 I havent got the addy at the moment but look up Dr. Shattock at the Sunderland University in the UK. He is an autism researcher ( Pharmacologist by training). He has a page on Gulf War Syndrome which you should really read. julie [ ] Re: Thinking out loud Vickie--- by all means look into this. I have seen a number of references to people studying the " Gluf War syndrome " and the peculiar diseases these folks have come down with. Huggins has some stuff on his website about it, for one. A search should find reading material for a long while. Moria > Listers: > > I've got a couple of questions for you and a couple of things that may > make you go hmmm. I know it has us. > > I recently became aware of several of our old military buddies who > have been dx'd with MS, Parkinson's and other assorted auto-immune > type diseases. I also recently stumbled across a list with Young > Parkinson's patients on it with a disproportionally (at least to me) > number of ex-military members. MOST of them are Air Force and Navy > vets, MOST of them were either jet mechanics or pilots/flight crew > members. This includes my Steve. I have a sneeking suspicion that > these are related to the heavy metals found in the jet fuels, the > engine cleaning chemicals and yes the IMMUNIZATIONS they received > among other things. > > A few of them also have kids with problems who fall into the autism > spectrum. > > How many of you on the list are active duty or ex-military, know of or > have family members who are ex-military with these type problems? I'm > just curious at this point. > > Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Hey all: Steve and the other's we know with Parkinson's and MS, etc. were mainly dx'd before the Gulf War. None of them got the anthrax series of shots but did get a load of all the others. As far as the military housing goes, that's so true, although the last 3 bases I lived on we were in the NEW housing, well two of them were new and one had been gutted to the studs and completely redone. The lead issue also goes for a lot of the barracks and buildings they work in on the bases. At least for the Navy people I know the Parkinson's and MS and all seem MORE common in the ones who worked on the flight lines, in and around the planes than those who were on the ships only. As far as the water supplies go I KNOW for a fact that there are issues with the base water supplies/housing areas on two bases. Terra Terrace Housing at Camp Lejeune and Naval Sub Base Kings Bay. I had a url you could check for water safety issues on but can't find it at the moment. I'll do some poking around tonight while the football game is on and see if I can find it. That's where I found out about Lejeune. Kings Bay happened while we were there. There was also some issues with Cecil Field Air Base in ville, Florida in the early 80's but if I remember correctly it was the possibilty of the base contaminating the city's water supply. Couldn't find anything on that though. Vickie > Vickie - my husband, still on active duty in the Air Force, falls into your > scenario. However, he doesn't have any problems " to date " and has the full > course of immunizations, including the ANTHRAX series and the immunizations > required for the Afghanistan war. He is around all the jet fuels and other > toxins on the flight line, as well as the " bomb " materials. His lymph nodes > under his armpits did swell up while over there as a reaction to some of the > shots so who knows what the future will hold for him. > > I do know several Air Force pilots who feel the Anthrax series of six shots > is causing health problems, as well as the strong evidence of the damage > that Agent Orange did in the Viet Nam War and the ongoing study at whether > " Gulf War Syndrome " was caused by either vaccinations or the chemicals used > over there. > > As far as our children being highly diagnosed with autism and other things, > I don't know if that is true or not. Let us not forget that many of us > lived in housing units built in the 1950's or early, with layer upon layer > of lead paint! God knows what is in the water on the bases as well. > > > > > I have a sneeking suspicion that > these are related to the heavy metals found in the jet fuels, the > engine cleaning chemicals and yes the IMMUNIZATIONS they received > among other things. > > A few of them also have kids with problems who fall into the autism > spectrum. > > How many of you on the list are active duty or ex-military, know of or > have family members who are ex-military with these type problems? I'm > just curious at this point. > > Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 My family too was Air Force, we lived on an Air Force Base (in base housing) for about 10 years. All 4 of my children are autistic, all but one were born at the air force base hospital. Laurel autiemom4 Autism Family Circle http://autismfamilycircle.com Autism Family Circle Group autismfamilycircle Autism Family Circle Chat House http://pub90.ezboard.com/fautismfamilycirclechathousefrm7 Autism Pins at Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem & item=2136568548 > Vickie - my husband, still on active duty in the Air Force, falls into your > scenario. However, he doesn't have any problems " to date " and has the full > course of immunizations, including the ANTHRAX series and the immunizations > required for the Afghanistan war. He is around all the jet fuels and other > toxins on the flight line, as well as the " bomb " materials. His lymph nodes > under his armpits did swell up while over there as a reaction to some of the > shots so who knows what the future will hold for him. > > I do know several Air Force pilots who feel the Anthrax series of six shots > is causing health problems, as well as the strong evidence of the damage > that Agent Orange did in the Viet Nam War and the ongoing study at whether > " Gulf War Syndrome " was caused by either vaccinations or the chemicals used > over there. > > As far as our children being highly diagnosed with autism and other things, > I don't know if that is true or not. Let us not forget that many of us > lived in housing units built in the 1950's or early, with layer upon layer > of lead paint! God knows what is in the water on the bases as well. > > > > > I have a sneeking suspicion that > these are related to the heavy metals found in the jet fuels, the > engine cleaning chemicals and yes the IMMUNIZATIONS they received > among other things. > > A few of them also have kids with problems who fall into the autism > spectrum. > > How many of you on the list are active duty or ex-military, know of or > have family members who are ex-military with these type problems? I'm > just curious at this point. > > Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Thanks Mandi! P.S. EVERYONE should read his site. Full of valuable information. He is one of the leading lights in autism and to his credit takes parents observations dead seriously. Re: [ ] Re: Thinking out loud http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/ Link to Shattocks site Mandi in UK > I havent got the addy at the moment but look up Dr. Shattock at the > Sunderland University in the UK. He is an autism researcher ( > Pharmacologist by training). He has a page on Gulf War Syndrome which you > should really read. > > julie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Laurel....you should be canonized!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Vickie, My husband retired a year and a half ago after flying for approx. 18 years of his military career. He flew in the Gulf War and got many of those immunizations that were never properly documented, took some anthrax shots, and took a couple of the nerve agent pills. I was active duty myself before, during and after Robbie's birth and had all the immunizations needed to be worldwide deployable. My husband and I are both in excellent health considering all that toxic exposure but Robbie is autistic. I'm sure you are probably correct about some of this exposure and I do worry frequently that one of us will develop MS, etc. I've had several friends in the military come down with autoimmune problems and the incidence certainly seems to be higher in those who served. We were living in Hawaii in a courtyard housing area with 16 or 18 families when Rob was diagnosed and he was the THIRD child just in our court to have autism. That was 8 years ago when the incidence was 5-15 per 10K. Coincidence? I don't think so! risnowball wrote: > Listers: > > I've got a couple of questions for you and a couple of things that may > make you go hmmm. I know it has us. > > I recently became aware of several of our old military buddies who > have been dx'd with MS, Parkinson's and other assorted auto-immune > type diseases. I also recently stumbled across a list with Young > Parkinson's patients on it with a disproportionally (at least to me) > number of ex-military members. MOST of them are Air Force and Navy > vets, MOST of them were either jet mechanics or pilots/flight crew > members. This includes my Steve. I have a sneeking suspicion that > these are related to the heavy metals found in the jet fuels, the > engine cleaning chemicals and yes the IMMUNIZATIONS they received > among other things. > > A few of them also have kids with problems who fall into the autism > spectrum. > > How many of you on the list are active duty or ex-military, know of or > have family members who are ex-military with these type problems? I'm > just curious at this point. > > Vickie > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 One different look at neurotixns besides the very real heavy metal neurotoxins can be found at www.chronicneurotoxins.com. >From: " risnowball " <vickieklein@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] Re: Thinking out Loud >Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:47:04 -0000 > >Hey all: > >Steve and the other's we know with Parkinson's and MS, etc. were >mainly dx'd before the Gulf War. None of them got the anthrax series >of shots but did get a load of all the others. > >As far as the military housing goes, that's so true, although the last >3 bases I lived on we were in the NEW housing, well two of them were >new and one had been gutted to the studs and completely redone. The >lead issue also goes for a lot of the barracks and buildings they work >in on the bases. At least for the Navy people I know the Parkinson's >and MS and all seem MORE common in the ones who worked on the flight >lines, in and around the planes than those who were on the ships only. > >As far as the water supplies go I KNOW for a fact that there are >issues with the base water supplies/housing areas on two bases. Terra >Terrace Housing at Camp Lejeune and Naval Sub Base Kings Bay. I had a >url you could check for water safety issues on but can't find it at >the moment. I'll do some poking around tonight while the football game >is on and see if I can find it. That's where I found out about >Lejeune. Kings Bay happened while we were there. There was also some >issues with Cecil Field Air Base in ville, Florida in the early >80's but if I remember correctly it was the possibilty of the base >contaminating the city's water supply. Couldn't find anything on that >though. > >Vickie > > > > Vickie - my husband, still on active duty in the Air Force, falls >into your > > scenario. However, he doesn't have any problems " to date " and has >the full > > course of immunizations, including the ANTHRAX series and the >immunizations > > required for the Afghanistan war. He is around all the jet fuels >and other > > toxins on the flight line, as well as the " bomb " materials. His >lymph nodes > > under his armpits did swell up while over there as a reaction to >some of the > > shots so who knows what the future will hold for him. > > > > I do know several Air Force pilots who feel the Anthrax series of >six shots > > is causing health problems, as well as the strong evidence of the damage > > that Agent Orange did in the Viet Nam War and the ongoing study at >whether > > " Gulf War Syndrome " was caused by either vaccinations or the >chemicals used > > over there. > > > > As far as our children being highly diagnosed with autism and other >things, > > I don't know if that is true or not. Let us not forget that many of us > > lived in housing units built in the 1950's or early, with layer upon >layer > > of lead paint! God knows what is in the water on the bases as well. > > > > > > > > > > I have a sneeking suspicion that > > these are related to the heavy metals found in the jet fuels, the > > engine cleaning chemicals and yes the IMMUNIZATIONS they received > > among other things. > > > > A few of them also have kids with problems who fall into the autism > > spectrum. > > > > How many of you on the list are active duty or ex-military, know of or > > have family members who are ex-military with these type problems? I'm > > just curious at this point. > > > > Vickie > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Finally, after all these years, I have found someone who has experienced the same thing in the same place as I! My son is 26 years old, has Asperger's Syndrome, and yes, I was pregnant near Kings Bay Submarine Naval Base when I was a Navy wife in 1980! It's the MERCURY, I have studied this for the past 4 years, it IS the MERCURY. Gilman Paper Co. in St. 's Georgia near Kings Bay was a major mercury contaminator of the area according to EPA records for decades BEFORE the Navy showed up. I found a study referencing the Environmental Impact Statement by the Navy that shows the Navy KNEW the mercury was a problem in Cumberland Sound in 1976-77, EVEN BEFORE THEY BUILT THE BASE!!! The Navy is liable for our childrens' disabilities in my eyes. What would a class action lawyer say? Here is the paper referencing the Kings Bay EIS (Navy 1975) : http://gwri.ce.gatech.edu/GAConf/Proceedings/Papers/2005/AlberM_GWRC05 paper.pdf I have ordered a copy of the following : " Draft and Final Environmental Impact Assessments, FBM Submarine Support Base, Kings Bay, Georgia. Department of the Navy, 1976 to 1978. " through the Freedom Of Information Act in the Department of Navy at: http://foia.navy.mil/foia/requests.asp I hoping to gather as many people and information as possible about children who are developmentally disabled because of their time at Kings Bay. Please EMAIL ME! Kind Regards, Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Finally, after all these years, I have found someone who has experienced the same thing in the same place as I! My son is 26 years old, has Asperger's Syndrome, and yes, I was pregnant near Kings Bay Submarine Naval Base when I was a Navy wife in 1980! It's the MERCURY, I have studied this for the past 4 years, it IS the MERCURY. Gilman Paper Co. in St. 's Georgia near Kings Bay was a major mercury contaminator of the area according to EPA records for decades BEFORE the Navy showed up. I found a study referencing the Environmental Impact Statement by the Navy that shows the Navy KNEW the mercury was a problem in Cumberland Sound in 1976-77, EVEN BEFORE THEY BUILT THE BASE!!! The Navy is liable for our childrens' disabilities in my eyes. What would a class action lawyer say? Here is the paper referencing the Kings Bay EIS (Navy 1975) : http://gwri.ce.gatech.edu/GAConf/Proceedings/Papers/2005/AlberM_GWRC05 paper.pdf I have ordered a copy of the following : " Draft and Final Environmental Impact Assessments, FBM Submarine Support Base, Kings Bay, Georgia. Department of the Navy, 1976 to 1978. " through the Freedom Of Information Act in the Department of Navy at: http://foia.navy.mil/foia/requests.asp I hoping to gather as many people and information as possible about children who are developmentally disabled because of their time at Kings Bay. Please EMAIL ME! Kind Regards, Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 It is well known that ocean going vessels use mercury on their hulls to keep fungi and maybe molluscs also from impacting. [ ] Re: Thinking out Loud Finally, after all these years, I have found someone who has experienced the same thing in the same place as I! My son is 26 years old, has Asperger's Syndrome, and yes, I was pregnant near Kings Bay Submarine Naval Base when I was a Navy wife in 1980! It's the MERCURY, I have studied this for the past 4 years, it IS the MERCURY. Gilman Paper Co. in St. 's Georgia near Kings Bay was a major mercury contaminator of the area according to EPA records for decades BEFORE the Navy showed up. I found a study referencing the Environmental Impact Statement by the Navy that shows the Navy KNEW the mercury was a problem in Cumberland Sound in 1976-77, EVEN BEFORE THEY BUILT THE BASE!!! The Navy is liable for our childrens' disabilities in my eyes. What would a class action lawyer say? Here is the paper referencing the Kings Bay EIS (Navy 1975) : http://gwri.ce.gatech.edu/GAConf/Proceedings/Papers/2005/AlberM_GWRC05 paper.pdf I have ordered a copy of the following : " Draft and Final Environmental Impact Assessments, FBM Submarine Support Base, Kings Bay, Georgia. Department of the Navy, 1976 to 1978. " through the Freedom Of Information Act in the Department of Navy at: http://foia.navy.mil/foia/requests.asp I hoping to gather as many people and information as possible about children who are developmentally disabled because of their time at Kings Bay. Please EMAIL ME! Kind Regards, Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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