Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 State licensing boards will often sell you the list. Sometimes they only list work addresses which is an issue as employers do not allow their employees to receive recruiting mail. Marc Lacroix Mailing list Can anyone direct me as how to purchase a mail or email list of PT and PTA's in Florida to help in my search for a new clinician. I am aware of the APTA list, but that only offers APTA members. Are there other sources? Witt, PT Segal & Witt Physical Therapy 5162 Linton Boulevard Suite 105 Delray Beach, FL 33484 O (561) 637- 4539 F (561) 637- 4540 wittpt@... > ACT Now!! > > I wanted to draw your attention to this important petition that I recently > signed: > > " Physical Therapists Against Physician Owned Physical Therapy Services " > http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-popts/ > > I really think this is an important cause, and I'd like to encourage you to > add your signature, too. It's free and takes just a few seconds of your > time. > > Thanks! > ------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Contact your state license board. They typically sell mailing lists of all licensees. In Ohio at least the email list is limited to those who give them but those are available, too. Marcy Stalvey, PT, NCS Kent, OH >>> 3/3/2011 6:37 PM >>> Can anyone direct me as how to purchase a mail or email list of PT and PTA's in Florida to help in my search for a new clinician. I am aware of the APTA list, but that only offers APTA members. Are there other sources? Witt, PT Segal & Witt Physical Therapy 5162 Linton Boulevard Suite 105 Delray Beach, FL 33484 O (561) 637- 4539 F (561) 637- 4540 wittpt@... > ACT Now!! > > I wanted to draw your attention to this important petition that I recently > signed: > > " Physical Therapists Against Physician Owned Physical Therapy Services " > http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-popts/ > > I really think this is an important cause, and I'd like to encourage you to > add your signature, too. It's free and takes just a few seconds of your > time. > > Thanks! > ------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 -You can get licensure lists from many states (including Florida). I would not recommend using the raw lists unless you enjoy about 25% bad address returns. We always highly enhance lists before mailing. -APTA lists are pretty good as far as delivery but we find them expensive, heavy on business addresses, and limited membership. -Remember that 6% of the people move every year. You can capitalize on potential staff when you track people as they move about the state (licensure lists miss this) · If you are mailing, I would strongly encourage a profession appearing card that gives selling points that therapists are interested in. Selling points may not be the same as points you are most proud of… these are points that potential employees want to know. · Evaluate your hiring situation the same as you would a patient… be critical and assess. If you have weak points, come up with a plan to address those and deal with them. · Never send out letter/envelopes since these are usually tossed unopened. Don’t send out small post cards, they make you look small time. Professional-oversized post cards are typically best. You have 6 seconds to capture attention…you should look good. Key points are design and selecting best target audience. · Lots more hints but these are some critical ones. If you want a quick count of therapists in your area, we have a free area on our web site where you can go and click to see therapists (PT PTA OT COTA SLP) in a radius around your facility. Don’t worry you don’t have to sign in or do anything to run counts… it’s just a free service. Steve Passmore PT, MS Healthy Recruiting Tools spass@... Phone: Fax: “What We Did For You Yesterday Is History… What Can We Do For You Today†Recruiting Tools: Cold Calls ~ List Enhancement ~ Direct Mailers ~ Card Design ~ Recruiting Software From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:37 PM To: PTManager Subject: Mailing list Can anyone direct me as how to purchase a mail or email list of PT and PTA's in Florida to help in my search for a new clinician. I am aware of the APTA list, but that only offers APTA members. Are there other sources? Witt, PT Segal & Witt Physical Therapy 5162 Linton Boulevard Suite 105 Delray Beach, FL 33484 O (561) 637- 4539 F (561) 637- 4540 wittpt@... <mailto:wittpt%40att.net> On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Kovacek <pkovacek@... <mailto:pkovacek%40ptmanager.com> > wrote: > ACT Now!! > > I wanted to draw your attention to this important petition that I recently > signed: > > " Physical Therapists Against Physician Owned Physical Therapy Services " > http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-popts/ > > I really think this is an important cause, and I'd like to encourage you to > add your signature, too. It's free and takes just a few seconds of your > time. > > Thanks! > ------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Steve, Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been told yet. Thanks! Selena Horner, PT ton, MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Steve, Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been told yet. Thanks! Selena Horner, PT ton, MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Steve, Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been told yet. Thanks! Selena Horner, PT ton, MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Selena, Not sure how to get a handle on # of POPTS in CA or who actually works in that setting. The state is huge and ownership and place of employment are not listed. I show 20,171 PT and 5,503 PTA in my database with a California address. I pulled up some other data and show 2,991 offices of Physical Therapists in CA (this looks at primary SIC and would probably not include HH, SNF, Hospitals, or MDs who have PT clinics as a sideline). Looking at SIC codes for how many California MD clinics listed as Orthopedic/Sports = 1,089 (this probably is missing multi discipline groups) There is no clear way I can see to track your interesting question without a large study. You could do some rough counts if a local person took 2-3 towns. we could tell them how many people in those towns . they could research how many therapists in each POPTS practice from personal knowledge. then rough extrapolation of the data out from there. Compare rural vs. semi-urban. Accuracy would of course be in question until you increased sample size. Steve Passmore PT, MS Healthy Recruiting Tools spass@... Phone: Fax: " What We Did For You Yesterday Is History. What Can We Do For You Today " Recruiting Tools: Cold Calls ~ List Enhancement ~ Direct Mailers ~ Card Design ~ Recruiting Software From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of selenahorner Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:39 AM To: PTManager Subject: Re: Mailing list Steve, Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been told yet. Thanks! Selena Horner, PT ton, MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Steve, You just basically showed how small of a percentage of physical therapists AB 783 is helping. Strange that a legislator would really focus on this issue when the number is so small. I'll try to email Dave Powers the figures you just sent, if you don't care. Maybe he can create a picture/story that will resonate with the powers that be to more fully see how AB 783 isn't about physical therapists losing jobs. Thanks! Selena > > Selena, > > Not sure how to get a handle on # of POPTS in CA or who actually works in > that setting. The state is huge and ownership and place of employment are > not listed. > > I show 20,171 PT and 5,503 PTA in my database with a California address. > > I pulled up some other data and show 2,991 offices of Physical Therapists in > CA (this looks at primary SIC and would probably not include HH, SNF, > Hospitals, or MDs who have PT clinics as a sideline). Looking at SIC codes > for how many California MD clinics listed as Orthopedic/Sports = 1,089 (this > probably is missing multi discipline groups) > > > > There is no clear way I can see to track your interesting question without a > large study. > > > > You could do some rough counts if a local person took 2-3 towns. we could > tell them how many people in those towns . they could research how many > therapists in each POPTS practice from personal knowledge. then rough > extrapolation of the data out from there. Compare rural vs. semi-urban. > Accuracy would of course be in question until you increased sample size. > > > > Steve Passmore PT, MS > > Healthy Recruiting Tools > > spass@... > > Phone: begin_of_the_skype_highlighting end_of_the_skype_highlighting > > Fax: > > > > " What We Did For You Yesterday Is History. What Can We Do For You Today " > > > > Recruiting Tools: Cold Calls ~ List Enhancement ~ Direct Mailers ~ Card > Design ~ Recruiting Software > > > > From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf > Of selenahorner > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:39 AM > To: PTManager > Subject: Re: Mailing list > > > > > > Steve, > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the > propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed by > physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician owned > physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more number... how > many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been > told yet. > > Thanks! > > Selena Horner, PT > ton, MI > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Selena and Steve, I keep going back to the CSC Utilization and Edit Reports from 2004. The data is getting old now but I'm sure the proportions still hold. http://www.cms.gov/TherapyServices/01_overview.asp#TopOfPage Page 14-15 has the 2004 data broken down by state and setting: 32,205 physician providers billed therapy services nationwide - about 75% of those were physical therapy codes. Do physicians also typically employ OTs and SLP? If not, then 75% is low and the true percentage is higher. California therapists provided 8.9% of therapy services in 2004 including OT and SLP but about 75% is PT. If these proportions hold then, in 2004, California physicians employed 32,205 x (0.75 x 0.089) = 2,150 physical therapists. Increase 2,150 by California's annual GDP growth rate to get the 2009 estimate: 2005 +7.1% 2006 +6.0% 2007 +4.3% 2008 +2.3% 2009 -2.2% http://www.bea.gov/regional/gsp/action.cfm I estimate that California has slightly fewer than 2,547 physicians billing physical therapy codes from their offices. To the extent that physicians employ physical therapists to bill those codes that that number is a reasonable proxy of POPTs clinics in California. Please let me know if anyone notices any math or logic errors - this isn't my day job. Thank you, Tim , PT www.PhysicalTherapyDiagnosis.com > > Steve, > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been told yet. > > Thanks! > > Selena Horner, PT > ton, MI > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Maybe the math is correct, I don't know. I absolutely think it is an issue that should be studied and your idea of using CMS data seems very useful. I had no idea this data was available. 3 issues come to mind: I see you are using Medicare data to project to a full scope of insurance and non-insurance. Also, I wonder if physicians always hire therapists or if they use the office help to do ultrasound. Was this base on # of modalities per treatment or a visit. I could not locate the study to see this. The numbers may be on-target, I don't have a sample study. I show approx. 20,000 PT's who " live " in CA which would put your figures at 10%. Looking at the big picture, I don't know if there is any reason to modify the message being put forth by CA. The current speaking points have to do with loss of free market choice and financial concerns for the patient/insurer. These current points are clear, important, easy to document, and support the " American Way " . Adding this difficult direction would seem to just divert the message with limited impact at this time. Steve Passmore PT, MS Healthy Recruiting Tools spass@... Phone: Fax: " What We Did For You Yesterday Is History. What Can We Do For You Today " Recruiting Tools: Cold Calls ~ List Enhancement ~ Direct Mailers ~ Card Design ~ Recruiting Software From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:39 AM To: PTManager Subject: Re: Mailing list Selena and Steve, I keep going back to the CSC Utilization and Edit Reports from 2004. The data is getting old now but I'm sure the proportions still hold. http://www.cms.gov/TherapyServices/01_overview.asp#TopOfPage Page 14-15 has the 2004 data broken down by state and setting: 32,205 physician providers billed therapy services nationwide - about 75% of those were physical therapy codes. Do physicians also typically employ OTs and SLP? If not, then 75% is low and the true percentage is higher. California therapists provided 8.9% of therapy services in 2004 including OT and SLP but about 75% is PT. If these proportions hold then, in 2004, California physicians employed 32,205 x (0.75 x 0.089) = 2,150 physical therapists. Increase 2,150 by California's annual GDP growth rate to get the 2009 estimate: 2005 +7.1% 2006 +6.0% 2007 +4.3% 2008 +2.3% 2009 -2.2% http://www.bea.gov/regional/gsp/action.cfm I estimate that California has slightly fewer than 2,547 physicians billing physical therapy codes from their offices. To the extent that physicians employ physical therapists to bill those codes that that number is a reasonable proxy of POPTs clinics in California. Please let me know if anyone notices any math or logic errors - this isn't my day job. Thank you, Tim , PT www.PhysicalTherapyDiagnosis.com > > Steve, > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been told yet. > > Thanks! > > Selena Horner, PT > ton, MI > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Has anyone in California contacted any of the major newspapers for a story? Linnea Olympia To: PTManager From: spass@... Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 16:41:51 -0600 Subject: RE: Re: Mailing list Maybe the math is correct, I don't know. I absolutely think it is an issue that should be studied and your idea of using CMS data seems very useful. I had no idea this data was available. 3 issues come to mind: I see you are using Medicare data to project to a full scope of insurance and non-insurance. Also, I wonder if physicians always hire therapists or if they use the office help to do ultrasound. Was this base on # of modalities per treatment or a visit. I could not locate the study to see this. The numbers may be on-target, I don't have a sample study. I show approx. 20,000 PT's who " live " in CA which would put your figures at 10%. Looking at the big picture, I don't know if there is any reason to modify the message being put forth by CA. The current speaking points have to do with loss of free market choice and financial concerns for the patient/insurer. These current points are clear, important, easy to document, and support the " American Way " . Adding this difficult direction would seem to just divert the message with limited impact at this time. Steve Passmore PT, MS Healthy Recruiting Tools spass@... Phone: Fax: " What We Did For You Yesterday Is History. What Can We Do For You Today " Recruiting Tools: Cold Calls ~ List Enhancement ~ Direct Mailers ~ Card Design ~ Recruiting Software From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:39 AM To: PTManager Subject: Re: Mailing list Selena and Steve, I keep going back to the CSC Utilization and Edit Reports from 2004. The data is getting old now but I'm sure the proportions still hold. http://www.cms.gov/TherapyServices/01_overview.asp#TopOfPage Page 14-15 has the 2004 data broken down by state and setting: 32,205 physician providers billed therapy services nationwide - about 75% of those were physical therapy codes. Do physicians also typically employ OTs and SLP? If not, then 75% is low and the true percentage is higher. California therapists provided 8.9% of therapy services in 2004 including OT and SLP but about 75% is PT. If these proportions hold then, in 2004, California physicians employed 32,205 x (0.75 x 0.089) = 2,150 physical therapists. Increase 2,150 by California's annual GDP growth rate to get the 2009 estimate: 2005 +7.1% 2006 +6.0% 2007 +4.3% 2008 +2.3% 2009 -2.2% http://www.bea.gov/regional/gsp/action.cfm I estimate that California has slightly fewer than 2,547 physicians billing physical therapy codes from their offices. To the extent that physicians employ physical therapists to bill those codes that that number is a reasonable proxy of POPTs clinics in California. Please let me know if anyone notices any math or logic errors - this isn't my day job. Thank you, Tim , PT www.PhysicalTherapyDiagnosis.com > > Steve, > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been told yet. > > Thanks! > > Selena Horner, PT > ton, MI > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Steve, My estimate is that California has ~2,500 POPTs for 20,000 PTs which is about 12.5% of the PT licenses. For comparison, of the 9,000 physical therapists in Illinois about 400 are employed by physicians. This is just over 4% of the PT licenses in Illinois. This implies my estimate is too high. My assumptions are that most of the POPTs bill Medicare. There may be a few POPTs that don't bill Medicare. Seems unlikely. The other assumption (which I stated) was that to the extent that physicians employ PTs to bill their codes, there are 2,150 POPTs clinics in California. It is more likely that physicians bill PT codes with unlicensed providers, which implies my estimate is too low. I am not modifying any message - I'm answering a question that started this thread. I don't agree with you that it is too " difficult " to attempt this estimate as long as my sources and my assumptions are clearly stated. Entering a nasty, expensive and public political campaign with a cursory or casual connection with the data seems more difficult. Tim , PT www.PhysicalTherapyDiagnosis.com > > > > Steve, > > > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the > propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed > by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician > owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more > number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been > told yet. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Selena Horner, PT > > ton, MI > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Steve, My estimate is that California has ~2,500 POPTs for 20,000 PTs which is about 12.5% of the PT licenses. For comparison, of the 9,000 physical therapists in Illinois about 400 are employed by physicians. This is just over 4% of the PT licenses in Illinois. This implies my estimate is too high. My assumptions are that most of the POPTs bill Medicare. There may be a few POPTs that don't bill Medicare. Seems unlikely. The other assumption (which I stated) was that to the extent that physicians employ PTs to bill their codes, there are 2,150 POPTs clinics in California. It is more likely that physicians bill PT codes with unlicensed providers, which implies my estimate is too low. I am not modifying any message - I'm answering a question that started this thread. I don't agree with you that it is too " difficult " to attempt this estimate as long as my sources and my assumptions are clearly stated. Entering a nasty, expensive and public political campaign with a cursory or casual connection with the data seems more difficult. Tim , PT www.PhysicalTherapyDiagnosis.com > > > > Steve, > > > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the > propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed > by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician > owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more > number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been > told yet. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Selena Horner, PT > > ton, MI > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Steve, My estimate is that California has ~2,500 POPTs for 20,000 PTs which is about 12.5% of the PT licenses. For comparison, of the 9,000 physical therapists in Illinois about 400 are employed by physicians. This is just over 4% of the PT licenses in Illinois. This implies my estimate is too high. My assumptions are that most of the POPTs bill Medicare. There may be a few POPTs that don't bill Medicare. Seems unlikely. The other assumption (which I stated) was that to the extent that physicians employ PTs to bill their codes, there are 2,150 POPTs clinics in California. It is more likely that physicians bill PT codes with unlicensed providers, which implies my estimate is too low. I am not modifying any message - I'm answering a question that started this thread. I don't agree with you that it is too " difficult " to attempt this estimate as long as my sources and my assumptions are clearly stated. Entering a nasty, expensive and public political campaign with a cursory or casual connection with the data seems more difficult. Tim , PT www.PhysicalTherapyDiagnosis.com > > > > Steve, > > > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the > propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed > by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician > owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more > number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been > told yet. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Selena Horner, PT > > ton, MI > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 You can't use the 2004 CMS data... physicians CAN bill Medicare with a PT NPI number. 2004 CMS data only captures physicians that bill " incident to. " Those physician owned practices would not be captured in the data and would be lumped into physical therapist in private practice data. Plus... if you read a few blogs and some things physicians say, quite a few will not treat Medicare patients in their physical therapy clinic. Those that practice that way, wouldn't be found in Medicare data either. I was just curious how small of a percentage the bill would really be protecting. In other words, the bill isn't for helping physical therapists because the number would be a very small figure. Selena Horner, PT > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the > > propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > > > > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed > > by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician > > owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more > > number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > > > > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been > > told yet. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Selena Horner, PT > > > ton, MI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 You can't use the 2004 CMS data... physicians CAN bill Medicare with a PT NPI number. 2004 CMS data only captures physicians that bill " incident to. " Those physician owned practices would not be captured in the data and would be lumped into physical therapist in private practice data. Plus... if you read a few blogs and some things physicians say, quite a few will not treat Medicare patients in their physical therapy clinic. Those that practice that way, wouldn't be found in Medicare data either. I was just curious how small of a percentage the bill would really be protecting. In other words, the bill isn't for helping physical therapists because the number would be a very small figure. Selena Horner, PT > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the > > propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > > > > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed > > by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician > > owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more > > number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > > > > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been > > told yet. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Selena Horner, PT > > > ton, MI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 You can't use the 2004 CMS data... physicians CAN bill Medicare with a PT NPI number. 2004 CMS data only captures physicians that bill " incident to. " Those physician owned practices would not be captured in the data and would be lumped into physical therapist in private practice data. Plus... if you read a few blogs and some things physicians say, quite a few will not treat Medicare patients in their physical therapy clinic. Those that practice that way, wouldn't be found in Medicare data either. I was just curious how small of a percentage the bill would really be protecting. In other words, the bill isn't for helping physical therapists because the number would be a very small figure. Selena Horner, PT > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > Out of pure curiosity, with the issue going on in California and the > > propaganda of saving physical therapist jobs... > > > > > > What is your best estimate on the number of physical therapists employed > > by physicians in California? And then a guesstimate of how many physician > > owned physical therapy clinics are in California? And then, one more > > number... how many licensed physical therapists are in California? > > > > > > I may have missed something, but I don't think that kind of story has been > > told yet. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Selena Horner, PT > > > ton, MI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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