RE: Overnight Sugar control

[Guest guest]

GBest of luck Ann. Carbs are a hard thing to cut down when you are used

to them most of your life!

Re: Overnight Sugar control

Hi Becky. That's a logical deduction, but in this case we're dealing with a

drug that doesn't bring on lows. Metformin side effects can include

diarrhea, severe gas, vomitting etc, But no lows. I want off of it because

I'd like to have my life back as I knew it before starting on Metformin. My

argument for my endochronologist will be that I can never reliably leave the

house with my dog and count on feeling ok until I get back home. I do work

at home, but I do like to leave the house now and again. Any drug that

limits my mobility is unacceptable, as I'm sure everyone here would agree.

Insulin will not burden me with such issues, so I'd like to order up some to

go. That will be my case to the endo, presented respectfully but firmly.

Larry

[Guest guest]

GBest of luck Ann. Carbs are a hard thing to cut down when you are used

to them most of your life!

Re: Overnight Sugar control

Hi Becky. That's a logical deduction, but in this case we're dealing with a

drug that doesn't bring on lows. Metformin side effects can include

diarrhea, severe gas, vomitting etc, But no lows. I want off of it because

I'd like to have my life back as I knew it before starting on Metformin. My

argument for my endochronologist will be that I can never reliably leave the

house with my dog and count on feeling ok until I get back home. I do work

at home, but I do like to leave the house now and again. Any drug that

limits my mobility is unacceptable, as I'm sure everyone here would agree.

Insulin will not burden me with such issues, so I'd like to order up some to

go. That will be my case to the endo, presented respectfully but firmly.

Larry

[Guest guest]

Bill

Actually, she did something even worse. She put sugar into the orange

juice. She kept a desk drawer in our office full of those little cans of

orange juice and sugar packets. When she had a low, and often she had

several during the course of one work day, she would open a can of juice and

pour it into a cup and then add sugar.

Becky

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From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Bill Powers

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:18 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: RE: Overnight Sugar control

Becky, Oh yeah putting sugar packets in water was really overdoing the sugar

boost. Good way to spike 200-250 or even higher, very quickly.

Unfortunately, this is in line with what docs used to be taught. They used

to say " give 'em crackers and orange juice " and yes, I've even heard of some

who said " sugar water and crackers. " That's crazy. It may have worked in

some people, but not many, but even then I'll bet that for those with whom

it worked, their sugars soared just a little too high so as to be above

normal, but no one ever thought to check to see HOW HIGH it actually went.

I sure would not want a bunch of sugar packets in water. I'd feel like I was

drinking syrup and I would react to it in a funny way. If something's way

too sweet or syrupy, I tend to feel as though I'm suffocating if I swallow

such junk. I noticed that even as a kid. I notice that if I'm ever getting a

regular soda by mistake. Obviously, then, it's best for me to stay away from

things that are overly sweet, including sugar-laden water.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Bill

Actually, she did something even worse. She put sugar into the orange

juice. She kept a desk drawer in our office full of those little cans of

orange juice and sugar packets. When she had a low, and often she had

several during the course of one work day, she would open a can of juice and

pour it into a cup and then add sugar.

Becky

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From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Bill Powers

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:18 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: RE: Overnight Sugar control

Becky, Oh yeah putting sugar packets in water was really overdoing the sugar

boost. Good way to spike 200-250 or even higher, very quickly.

Unfortunately, this is in line with what docs used to be taught. They used

to say " give 'em crackers and orange juice " and yes, I've even heard of some

who said " sugar water and crackers. " That's crazy. It may have worked in

some people, but not many, but even then I'll bet that for those with whom

it worked, their sugars soared just a little too high so as to be above

normal, but no one ever thought to check to see HOW HIGH it actually went.

I sure would not want a bunch of sugar packets in water. I'd feel like I was

drinking syrup and I would react to it in a funny way. If something's way

too sweet or syrupy, I tend to feel as though I'm suffocating if I swallow

such junk. I noticed that even as a kid. I notice that if I'm ever getting a

regular soda by mistake. Obviously, then, it's best for me to stay away from

things that are overly sweet, including sugar-laden water.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Bill

Actually, she did something even worse. She put sugar into the orange

juice. She kept a desk drawer in our office full of those little cans of

orange juice and sugar packets. When she had a low, and often she had

several during the course of one work day, she would open a can of juice and

pour it into a cup and then add sugar.

Becky

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From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Bill Powers

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:18 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: RE: Overnight Sugar control

Becky, Oh yeah putting sugar packets in water was really overdoing the sugar

boost. Good way to spike 200-250 or even higher, very quickly.

Unfortunately, this is in line with what docs used to be taught. They used

to say " give 'em crackers and orange juice " and yes, I've even heard of some

who said " sugar water and crackers. " That's crazy. It may have worked in

some people, but not many, but even then I'll bet that for those with whom

it worked, their sugars soared just a little too high so as to be above

normal, but no one ever thought to check to see HOW HIGH it actually went.

I sure would not want a bunch of sugar packets in water. I'd feel like I was

drinking syrup and I would react to it in a funny way. If something's way

too sweet or syrupy, I tend to feel as though I'm suffocating if I swallow

such junk. I noticed that even as a kid. I notice that if I'm ever getting a

regular soda by mistake. Obviously, then, it's best for me to stay away from

things that are overly sweet, including sugar-laden water.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Hey Pat,

Thank you for the friendly message. I used to like Nutella and Marcipan.

Now, my dad in Switzerland found some diabetic Marcipan and sent me some for

my birthday. It lasted about a week. Unfortunately, my father does not

know who makesI am doing better though about not buying so many cookies. I

am also doing better about eating less rice and pasta.

I should get myself in a routine about getting on the treadmill.

nne it. If I ever find out that info, I will try to contact that firm

and find out if they need someone to help them distribute it in the US.

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of LaFrance-Wolf

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:58 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: RE: Overnight Sugar control

GBest of luck Ann. Carbs are a hard thing to cut down when you are used

to them most of your life!

Re: Overnight Sugar control

Hi Becky. That's a logical deduction, but in this case we're dealing with a

drug that doesn't bring on lows. Metformin side effects can include

diarrhea, severe gas, vomitting etc, But no lows. I want off of it because

I'd like to have my life back as I knew it before starting on Metformin. My

argument for my endochronologist will be that I can never reliably leave the

house with my dog and count on feeling ok until I get back home. I do work

at home, but I do like to leave the house now and again. Any drug that

limits my mobility is unacceptable, as I'm sure everyone here would agree.

Insulin will not burden me with such issues, so I'd like to order up some to

go. That will be my case to the endo, presented respectfully but firmly.

Larry

[Guest guest]

Hey Pat,

Thank you for the friendly message. I used to like Nutella and Marcipan.

Now, my dad in Switzerland found some diabetic Marcipan and sent me some for

my birthday. It lasted about a week. Unfortunately, my father does not

know who makesI am doing better though about not buying so many cookies. I

am also doing better about eating less rice and pasta.

I should get myself in a routine about getting on the treadmill.

nne it. If I ever find out that info, I will try to contact that firm

and find out if they need someone to help them distribute it in the US.

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of LaFrance-Wolf

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:58 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: RE: Overnight Sugar control

GBest of luck Ann. Carbs are a hard thing to cut down when you are used

to them most of your life!

Re: Overnight Sugar control

Hi Becky. That's a logical deduction, but in this case we're dealing with a

drug that doesn't bring on lows. Metformin side effects can include

diarrhea, severe gas, vomitting etc, But no lows. I want off of it because

I'd like to have my life back as I knew it before starting on Metformin. My

argument for my endochronologist will be that I can never reliably leave the

house with my dog and count on feeling ok until I get back home. I do work

at home, but I do like to leave the house now and again. Any drug that

limits my mobility is unacceptable, as I'm sure everyone here would agree.

Insulin will not burden me with such issues, so I'd like to order up some to

go. That will be my case to the endo, presented respectfully but firmly.

Larry

[Guest guest]

Hey Pat,

Thank you for the friendly message. I used to like Nutella and Marcipan.

Now, my dad in Switzerland found some diabetic Marcipan and sent me some for

my birthday. It lasted about a week. Unfortunately, my father does not

know who makesI am doing better though about not buying so many cookies. I

am also doing better about eating less rice and pasta.

I should get myself in a routine about getting on the treadmill.

nne it. If I ever find out that info, I will try to contact that firm

and find out if they need someone to help them distribute it in the US.

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of LaFrance-Wolf

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:58 PM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: RE: Overnight Sugar control

GBest of luck Ann. Carbs are a hard thing to cut down when you are used

to them most of your life!

Re: Overnight Sugar control

Hi Becky. That's a logical deduction, but in this case we're dealing with a

drug that doesn't bring on lows. Metformin side effects can include

diarrhea, severe gas, vomitting etc, But no lows. I want off of it because

I'd like to have my life back as I knew it before starting on Metformin. My

argument for my endochronologist will be that I can never reliably leave the

house with my dog and count on feeling ok until I get back home. I do work

at home, but I do like to leave the house now and again. Any drug that

limits my mobility is unacceptable, as I'm sure everyone here would agree.

Insulin will not burden me with such issues, so I'd like to order up some to

go. That will be my case to the endo, presented respectfully but firmly.

Larry

[Guest guest]

It's my understanding that the " sugar in orange juice " advice was given

primarily in the days prior to blood glucose meters, when people had no idea

(and no means of checking) how low or high glucose levels were. Back when I

was diagnosed the advice was to drink juice and follow it up with

carbohydrates and protein, but this again is outdated because it was in the

days when regular and NPH often caused prolonged, crashing lows which is no

longer the case with newer insulin analogs and insulin pumps. Unfortunately,

just as the " diabetics can't eat sugar " advice, such old habits die hard ...

Jen

RE: Overnight Sugar control

Becky, Oh yeah putting sugar packets in water was really overdoing the sugar

boost. Good way to spike 200-250 or even higher, very quickly.

Unfortunately, this is in line with what docs used to be taught. They used

to say " give 'em crackers and orange juice " and yes, I've even heard of some

who said " sugar water and crackers. " That's crazy. It may have worked in

some people, but not many, but even then I'll bet that for those with whom

it worked, their sugars soared just a little too high so as to be above

normal, but no one ever thought to check to see HOW HIGH it actually went.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

It probably doesn't make a difference, but if I have a low at work, or somewhere

where I need to recover quickly, I tend to over eat. If it's at home or out on a

weekend and I can afford the time to come out of it I don't over shoot. Eating

more probably doesn't bring you out of it any quicker, but...

I tend to use one or two sugar bags to get out of a low, depending on what my

readings are. I use these because they are cheaper than glucose tablets and they

are a measured dose, so once you work out what one bag does to your readings you

can get out of a low with out over shooting. I just collect them when ever I buy

a coffee. They are easy to carry around in pockets and don't take up much space,

which is another reason I use them.

Cheers,

Brett.

RE: Overnight Sugar control

Dave,

The main reason I never recommend juice of any kind to someone to quickly

raise their sugar is that the juice usually has too much sugar and I find

that most people, especially msyelf, would tend to take in too much juice to

get the jump start and then the overshooting problem has to play out.

I would not do it myself now knowing that OJ or grape juice or grapefruit

juice can make you overshoot, because I am a big gulper. I would definitely

gulp down too much before I would stop. The glucose tabs are a lot more

controlling in this situation.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Hi nne,

I can kind of relate, managing not too many cookies, but oh potatoes are my

downfall, but I'm really

trying.

I eat a bit of rice, but hardly any pasta.

Hugs, Maggie.

There's music in a horseshoe, there's music in a nail,There's music in a tomcat,

when you stand upon

his tail.

Re: Overnight Sugar control

Hi Becky. That's a logical deduction, but in this case we're dealing with a

drug that doesn't bring on lows. Metformin side effects can include

diarrhea, severe gas, vomitting etc, But no lows. I want off of it because

I'd like to have my life back as I knew it before starting on Metformin. My

argument for my endochronologist will be that I can never reliably leave the

house with my dog and count on feeling ok until I get back home. I do work

at home, but I do like to leave the house now and again. Any drug that

limits my mobility is unacceptable, as I'm sure everyone here would agree.

Insulin will not burden me with such issues, so I'd like to order up some to

go. That will be my case to the endo, presented respectfully but firmly.

Larry

[Guest guest]

Glad things are going better for you maryann. We all are always " fighating

the battle " everyday!

Re: Overnight Sugar control

Hi Becky. That's a logical deduction, but in this case we're dealing with a

drug that doesn't bring on lows. Metformin side effects can include

diarrhea, severe gas, vomitting etc, But no lows. I want off of it because

I'd like to have my life back as I knew it before starting on Metformin. My

argument for my endochronologist will be that I can never reliably leave the

house with my dog and count on feeling ok until I get back home. I do work

at home, but I do like to leave the house now and again. Any drug that

limits my mobility is unacceptable, as I'm sure everyone here would agree.

Insulin will not burden me with such issues, so I'd like to order up some to

go. That will be my case to the endo, presented respectfully but firmly.

Larry

[Guest guest]

Pat,

That IS an excellent idea to have premeasured juice on hand. I never thought

of that.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Pat,

That IS an excellent idea to have premeasured juice on hand. I never thought

of that.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Pat,

That IS an excellent idea to have premeasured juice on hand. I never thought

of that.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Pat,

It does seem that with the regimen I have that the only thing I'm missing is

a way to control those overnight sugars that meet with the Dawn Phenomena. I

would certainly hate the idea of setting an alarm to wake up in the middle

of the night to take more meds. If insulin would not be in my plans, I'm

wondering if thre is perhaps some longer-acting drugI should be taking

overnight that would even out the sugar?

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Becky,

The girl that put sugar into her orange juice was really playing with fire.

That would be sure to jolt her sugars way up there. And if she had several

of these attacks during a given week, there was a real problem.

Now someone here correct me if I'm wrong, but if you continually bump up

your sugar as Becky stated her friend apparently did, wouldn't that actually

begin to make the body used to a higher BS? That said, if the body was

getting used to a higher BS, is it possible that anything below that new

high might then be perceived as a real low giving the same feeling as a real

low that most of us know already? And if that's the case, wouldn't we be

setting up a dangerous upward spiral with an ever-expanding rollercoaster?

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Some diabetics do get used to living with high bg's. When they finally start to

get their sugars down, they feel low, even when they're not.

Dave

Victim of a crime? Know someone who was?

http://victimsheart.blogspot.com

RE: Overnight Sugar control

Becky,

The girl that put sugar into her orange juice was really playing with fire.

That would be sure to jolt her sugars way up there. And if she had several

of these attacks during a given week, there was a real problem.

Now someone here correct me if I'm wrong, but if you continually bump up

your sugar as Becky stated her friend apparently did, wouldn't that actually

begin to make the body used to a higher BS? That said, if the body was

getting used to a higher BS, is it possible that anything below that new

high might then be perceived as a real low giving the same feeling as a real

low that most of us know already? And if that's the case, wouldn't we be

setting up a dangerous upward spiral with an ever-expanding rollercoaster?

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Some diabetics do get used to living with high bg's. When they finally start to

get their sugars down, they feel low, even when they're not.

Dave

Victim of a crime? Know someone who was?

http://victimsheart.blogspot.com

RE: Overnight Sugar control

Becky,

The girl that put sugar into her orange juice was really playing with fire.

That would be sure to jolt her sugars way up there. And if she had several

of these attacks during a given week, there was a real problem.

Now someone here correct me if I'm wrong, but if you continually bump up

your sugar as Becky stated her friend apparently did, wouldn't that actually

begin to make the body used to a higher BS? That said, if the body was

getting used to a higher BS, is it possible that anything below that new

high might then be perceived as a real low giving the same feeling as a real

low that most of us know already? And if that's the case, wouldn't we be

setting up a dangerous upward spiral with an ever-expanding rollercoaster?

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

You are correct about that bill. If she idid not check her usgars when

feeling like that, she may not have been actually low and thus treated

herself unneccarily.

RE: Overnight Sugar control

Becky,

The girl that put sugar into her orange juice was really playing with fire.

That would be sure to jolt her sugars way up there. And if she had several

of these attacks during a given week, there was a real problem.

Now someone here correct me if I'm wrong, but if you continually bump up

your sugar as Becky stated her friend apparently did, wouldn't that actually

begin to make the body used to a higher BS? That said, if the body was

getting used to a higher BS, is it possible that anything below that new

high might then be perceived as a real low giving the same feeling as a real

low that most of us know already? And if that's the case, wouldn't we be

setting up a dangerous upward spiral with an ever-expanding rollercoaster?

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

You are correct about that bill. If she idid not check her usgars when

feeling like that, she may not have been actually low and thus treated

herself unneccarily.

RE: Overnight Sugar control

Becky,

The girl that put sugar into her orange juice was really playing with fire.

That would be sure to jolt her sugars way up there. And if she had several

of these attacks during a given week, there was a real problem.

Now someone here correct me if I'm wrong, but if you continually bump up

your sugar as Becky stated her friend apparently did, wouldn't that actually

begin to make the body used to a higher BS? That said, if the body was

getting used to a higher BS, is it possible that anything below that new

high might then be perceived as a real low giving the same feeling as a real

low that most of us know already? And if that's the case, wouldn't we be

setting up a dangerous upward spiral with an ever-expanding rollercoaster?

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

If, despite the dawn pnenomen, you are still running sugars around 100, I

personally don't think you need anything else at this time.

RE: Overnight Sugar control

Pat,

It does seem that with the regimen I have that the only thing I'm missing is

a way to control those overnight sugars that meet with the Dawn Phenomena. I

would certainly hate the idea of setting an alarm to wake up in the middle

of the night to take more meds. If insulin would not be in my plans, I'm

wondering if thre is perhaps some longer-acting drugI should be taking

overnight that would even out the sugar?

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

If, despite the dawn pnenomen, you are still running sugars around 100, I

personally don't think you need anything else at this time.

RE: Overnight Sugar control

Pat,

It does seem that with the regimen I have that the only thing I'm missing is

a way to control those overnight sugars that meet with the Dawn Phenomena. I

would certainly hate the idea of setting an alarm to wake up in the middle

of the night to take more meds. If insulin would not be in my plans, I'm

wondering if thre is perhaps some longer-acting drugI should be taking

overnight that would even out the sugar?

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Pat,

One thing that really scares me about the idea of what Becky's co-worker had

done, shadows an experience that the sister of a friend of mine has had. My

buddy's sister is very obese and typically runs sugars well in excess of 200

and thinks nothing of it. She often spikes sugars of 400-500. Then when

she's been at 500 and her sugar dips down in the 300s, she feels " low " and

guess what - she has to EAT something to bring her up again. No amount of

coaching this person will change this bad habit, which I'm surprised hasn't

already caused her to be dirt-napping.

That's another reason why I raised the question if diabetics could actually

train their bodies to feel lows when they were actually just coming off an

artificial high. That is scary, because someone like " Cheryl " is just in

denial ( " h it's not that bad, I'm still walking, aren't I? " And even worse

" Well, I'm just waiting, the Lord's going to heal me any moment now. " As

much as this sounds cruel, I don't directly deal with my friend's sister and

can't really get all that concerned since she hasn't listened to anyone,

including her doctors. But I would be concerned for anyone who WANTS to get

help and do something about it. Does this make sense?

For myself, I've only been fooled a few times in the past few years as to

what my sugar actually was, where I'd actually gone higher than I was

feeling, but then if I let that level go say 20 or 30 points higher, oh boy

did I feel it then. Getting fooled can happen to any of us no matter how

aware we are, I've just been lucky, so far.

Oh well, I guess enough said.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Pat,

One thing that really scares me about the idea of what Becky's co-worker had

done, shadows an experience that the sister of a friend of mine has had. My

buddy's sister is very obese and typically runs sugars well in excess of 200

and thinks nothing of it. She often spikes sugars of 400-500. Then when

she's been at 500 and her sugar dips down in the 300s, she feels " low " and

guess what - she has to EAT something to bring her up again. No amount of

coaching this person will change this bad habit, which I'm surprised hasn't

already caused her to be dirt-napping.

That's another reason why I raised the question if diabetics could actually

train their bodies to feel lows when they were actually just coming off an

artificial high. That is scary, because someone like " Cheryl " is just in

denial ( " h it's not that bad, I'm still walking, aren't I? " And even worse

" Well, I'm just waiting, the Lord's going to heal me any moment now. " As

much as this sounds cruel, I don't directly deal with my friend's sister and

can't really get all that concerned since she hasn't listened to anyone,

including her doctors. But I would be concerned for anyone who WANTS to get

help and do something about it. Does this make sense?

For myself, I've only been fooled a few times in the past few years as to

what my sugar actually was, where I'd actually gone higher than I was

feeling, but then if I let that level go say 20 or 30 points higher, oh boy

did I feel it then. Getting fooled can happen to any of us no matter how

aware we are, I've just been lucky, so far.

Oh well, I guess enough said.

Bill Powers