Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 I would be careful of Primal Defense. Some people seem to have good results with it. My son was on it for six weeks, and the longer he was on it, the worse he got. Eventually, he was very hyper and had dilated pupils. It may be due to the chlorella in Primal Defense. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Thanks Alison. When you say 3+ to 1, what test measured his candida. Also, do you know what ingredients children are sensitive to in Primal Defense? Thanks, Joyce [ ] Probiotic/?? Hi, I had joined this list a few months ago but unsubscribed temporarily. I think my son may have candida. He's 3 1/2. The past few months he has had bad breath, really bad. HE has sugar cravings, and I have candida although it's much better now. I quit eating all sugar (including maple syrup, raisins, etc.) about 3 years ago. and wheat. I breastfed him for 3 years. So he's likely to have it. Even though I don't feed him refined sugar, he manages to get it from raisins, applesauce, and that sort of thing. What probiotic have some of you used for your children successfully? I have heard that Primal Defense is good. Thanks for your help, Joyce Kehoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Hi. My son was diagnosed with yeast overgrowth at 3 1/2. He started taking oral nystatin twice a day and improved hugely. Now every time I try to take him off it we have problems (he's 6). We are developing resistance to the nystatin. This is why I like to share my yeast stories. I give 2 ml nystatin every day in the morning (45 lb child), then after school I give a rotation herbal. That is 10 days or so of each, then move to the next herb. The best I've found is Kirkmans yeast control. I also use garlic, oregano oil, and cranberry extract. I give the cranberry 3 times a day, it seems to make it more effective. I do plan to eliminate the Nystatin at the end of the school year. It's resistant after all. --- In @y..., " pittsburghyellow " <joycekehoe@a...> wrote: > Hi, I had joined this list a few months ago but unsubscribed > temporarily. > > I think my son may have candida. He's 3 1/2. The past few months he > has had bad breath, really bad. > > HE has sugar cravings, and I have candida although it's much better > now. I quit eating all sugar (including maple syrup, raisins, etc.) > about 3 years ago. and wheat. > > I breastfed him for 3 years. So he's likely to have it. > > Even though I don't feed him refined sugar, he manages to get it from > raisins, applesauce, and that sort of thing. > > What probiotic have some of you used for your children successfully? > > I have heard that Primal Defense is good. > > Thanks for your help, > Joyce Kehoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 --- In @y..., " pittsburghyellow " <joycekehoe@a...> wrote: > What probiotic have some of you used for your children successfully? The only one my kids semi-tolerate is Culturelle. I generally use GSE for yeast issues http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Hi Joyce Primal Defence does have a very good reputation for being a good product but some kids are apparently sensitive to some of the ingredients. We used " Bio-Kult " for our little boy along with Olive Leaf Extract and his Candida went from 3+ (pathogenic) to 1 (normal) in a couple of months. Bio-Kult is made in the UK. You can go to the website for more information. I think it is www.bio-kult.com Alison [ ] Probiotic/?? Hi, I had joined this list a few months ago but unsubscribed temporarily. I think my son may have candida. He's 3 1/2. The past few months he has had bad breath, really bad. HE has sugar cravings, and I have candida although it's much better now. I quit eating all sugar (including maple syrup, raisins, etc.) about 3 years ago. and wheat. I breastfed him for 3 years. So he's likely to have it. Even though I don't feed him refined sugar, he manages to get it from raisins, applesauce, and that sort of thing. What probiotic have some of you used for your children successfully? I have heard that Primal Defense is good. Thanks for your help, Joyce Kehoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 thank you Re: [ ] Probiotic/?? In a message dated 01/10/2002 23:53:50 GMT Daylight Time, joycekehoe@... writes: > Thanks Alison. When you say 3+ to 1, what test measured his candida. Also, > do you know what ingredients children are sensitive to in Primal Defense? > Thanks, > Joyce > Hi I'm not Alison but we also use BioKult. It was described to me as Primal Defense WITHOUT the wheat grasses and chorella. This company started producing in UK when Garden of life were going to stop the capsules and only offer tabs. I think they backtracked and still do caps now. The best things about BioKult are that capsules are half the size of PD, its white instead of black AND it disolves and is tasteless, I never got an emptied cap of PD to dissolve at all. And, its in the UK so I don't have to pay duty LOL Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Hi Joyce We had the test done through Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratory. They test a stool sample and send back results for bacteriology, mycology. When we had the first test done it also indicated that the candida was resistant to Nystatin and most of the natural substances normally used to get rid of it too. We did not want to use the stronger candida medications and a friend of ours told us about Olive Leaf Extract. So we tried it and it looks like it has worked (for now anyway!). I don't know what specific ingredients would cause sensitivity in Primal Defense, but as i remember there are a number of substances added to the probiotic. I guess a reaction, if any, would depend on the child. I know Bio-Kult was devised with autistic children in mind and as far as I am aware it it tolerated better by the children as it doesn't have things added that might cause a problem. Alison Re: [ ] Probiotic/?? Thanks Alison. When you say 3+ to 1, what test measured his candida. Also, do you know what ingredients children are sensitive to in Primal Defense? Thanks, Joyce ----- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 In a message dated 01/10/2002 23:53:50 GMT Daylight Time, joycekehoe@... writes: > Thanks Alison. When you say 3+ to 1, what test measured his candida. Also, > do you know what ingredients children are sensitive to in Primal Defense? > Thanks, > Joyce > Hi I'm not Alison but we also use BioKult. It was described to me as Primal Defense WITHOUT the wheat grasses and chorella. This company started producing in UK when Garden of life were going to stop the capsules and only offer tabs. I think they backtracked and still do caps now. The best things about BioKult are that capsules are half the size of PD, its white instead of black AND it disolves and is tasteless, I never got an emptied cap of PD to dissolve at all. And, its in the UK so I don't have to pay duty LOL Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Alison or anyone using Bio-Kult, I have concerns about it being irradiated when it has gone through customs. Does anyone think this has affected its effectiveness? I'm assuming it's only manufactured in the UK. Joyce [ ] Re: Probiotic/?? Hi Alison, Did you use olive leaf extract in the capsule form? If so, what dosage did you use? (what was the strenth of the cap)? I've just bought it for my son and was wondering how much to give(it is 200 mg). I used Biokult for him with small doses (1/4 cap) and he reacted with headache and bodypains. Rima > ----- Original Message ----- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Hi Alison, Did you use olive leaf extract in the capsule form? If so, what dosage did you use? (what was the strenth of the cap)? I've just bought it for my son and was wondering how much to give(it is 200 mg). I used Biokult for him with small doses (1/4 cap) and he reacted with headache and bodypains. Rima > Hi Joyce > > We had the test done through Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratory. They test a stool sample and send back results for bacteriology, mycology. When we had the first test done it also indicated that the candida was resistant to Nystatin and most of the natural substances normally used to get rid of it too. We did not want to use the stronger candida medications and a friend of ours told us about Olive Leaf Extract. So we tried it and it looks like it has worked (for now anyway!). > > I don't know what specific ingredients would cause sensitivity in Primal Defense, but as i remember there are a number of substances added to the probiotic. I guess a reaction, if any, would depend on the child. I know Bio-Kult was devised with autistic children in mind and as far as I am aware it it tolerated better by the children as it doesn't have things added that might cause a problem. > > Alison > Re: [ ] Probiotic/?? > > > Thanks Alison. When you say 3+ to 1, what test measured his candida. Also, do you know what ingredients children are sensitive to in Primal Defense? Thanks, > Joyce > ----- Original Message ----- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Hi Rima We use a liquid form of Olive leaf extract. It is made in Australia by Olive leaf Australia Pty Ltd. I give three 2.5ml spoonfuls every day in juice (half the adult dose). It tastes OK in juice but is slightly bitter on its own. I am not sure what this would equal in terms of capsules but the company who make the liquid might be able to help. The e-mail address is oliveleaf@... With the Bio-Kult, our instructions were to build up the intake slowly and to expect a " die-off " reaction from the candida. We started on 1 capsule per day split into two doses - half given in the morning and half last thing at night before bed. Then we added one capusel every three to four days. If there was a reaction we were told to drop the dose back to the previous level. Eventually you are supposed to build up to five capsules per day. Did you give your little one just a quarter capsule for the day or a number of quarters across the day? Maybe it was too much too soon and you have to take it even slower! Could it have been a die off reaction - sounds like the type of symptoms we were told to expect from die off. Our son went through a few " bad " weeks when we started with these products but I guess at the end of the day we were " attacking " the candida with the Olive leaf and the probiotic at the same time (as well as limiting complex carbohydrates in his diet). Hope this helps. Alison [ ] Re: Probiotic/?? Hi Alison, Did you use olive leaf extract in the capsule form? If so, what dosage did you use? (what was the strenth of the cap)? I've just bought it for my son and was wondering how much to give(it is 200 mg). I used Biokult for him with small doses (1/4 cap) and he reacted with headache and bodypains. Rima > ----- Original Message ----- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Hi Joyce I don't know but you should mail -McBride and check it out with him medinform@... HTH Mandi in Uk > Alison or anyone using Bio-Kult, I have concerns about it being irradiated > when it has gone through customs. Does anyone think this has affected its > effectiveness? I'm assuming it's only manufactured in the UK. > > Joyce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Joyce Doesn't seem to have had an effect in our case as gut flora is all in balance. But I can't say for sure of course. What about going to the website and e-mailing the company who make it with this question? Alison Re: [ ] Re: Probiotic/?? > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 > Hi Rima > > We use a liquid form of Olive leaf extract. It is made in Australia by Olive leaf Australia Pty Ltd. I give three 2.5ml spoonfuls every day in juice (half the adult dose). It tastes OK in juice but is slightly bitter on its own. I am not sure what this would equal in terms of capsules but the company who make the liquid might be able to help. The e-mail address is oliveleaf@h... > > With the Bio-Kult, our instructions were to build up the intake slowly and to expect a " die-off " reaction from the candida. We started on 1 capsule per day split into two doses - half given in the morning and half last thing at night before bed. Then we added one capusel every three to four days. If there was a reaction we were told to drop the dose back to the previous level. Eventually you are supposed to build up to five capsules per day. > > Did you give your little one just a quarter capsule for the day or a number of quarters across the day? Maybe it was too much too soon and you have to take it even slower! Could it have been a die off reaction - sounds like the type of symptoms we were told to expect from die off. Our son went through a few " bad " weeks when we started with these products but I guess at the end of the day we were " attacking " the candida with the Olive leaf and the probiotic at the same time (as well as limiting complex carbohydrates in his diet). > > Hope this helps. > > Alison > [ ] Re: Probiotic/?? > > > Hi Alison, > Did you use olive leaf extract in the capsule form? If so, what > dosage did you use? (what was the strenth of the cap)? I've just > bought it for my son and was wondering how much to give(it is 200 mg). > > I used Biokult for him with small doses (1/4 cap) and he reacted with > headache and bodypains. > > Rima > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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