Re: Consent form for self pay traction

[Guest guest]

not sure why one would need a seaprate consent form fo this.  The initial

patient intake form that the patient signs should suffice.

Subject: Consent form for self pay traction

To: PTManager

Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 9:56 AM

 

Hello Group,

Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@....

Thanks

Lindberg, PT

Avista Adventist Hospital

[Guest guest]

not sure why one would need a seaprate consent form fo this.  The initial

patient intake form that the patient signs should suffice.

Subject: Consent form for self pay traction

To: PTManager

Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 9:56 AM

 

Hello Group,

Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@....

Thanks

Lindberg, PT

Avista Adventist Hospital

[Guest guest]

" traction as a preventative modality " ??? A modality to prevent what? Any

evidence to this claim?

But I guess that is for another discussion. If you are looking to avoid

liability for having your " tech " set them up I don't know that you are going to

find it, as long as you are working under PT license.

E. s, PT, DPT, OCS, FAAOMPT

www.douglasspt.com

>

> Hello Group,

>

> Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

>

> You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@...

>

> Thanks

>

> Lindberg, PT

> Avista Adventist Hospital

>

[Guest guest]

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Maybe palliative would be a better term than preventative. We have patients

that get good relief of neck, UE, back, or LE symptoms that have max'd benefits,

huge co-pays, cash pay, etc. If they have max'd true therapy gains and are

independent with a HEP, what do you do, tell them they are done, send them to

the chiropractor who would continue traction without second thoughts, give them

an over the door traction unit???

Lindberg, PT

> >

> > Hello Group,

> >

> > Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

> >

> > You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Lindberg, PT

> > Avista Adventist Hospital

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is a great response!!  Why do we, as PTs, keepi thinking that making

someone feel better (and them paying for it) is a bad thing?  We continue to

chase patients out our door for some reason! 

I say that if someone wants me to do traction on them, and wants to pay me, I

will let them pay me and I will NOT feel bad about it!  Let's face it, some

people get better when you burn incense and chant (not very evidence based,

huh?).

 

As long as you have direct access, the standard intake form that they sign gives

you consent (as long as you have verbage in there that they consent to care.

 

Good luck, and keep turning people into PT fans!!!!

Subject: Re: Consent form for self pay traction

To: PTManager

Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 3:13 PM

 

,

Maybe palliative would be a better term than preventative. We have patients that

get good relief of neck, UE, back, or LE symptoms that have max'd benefits, huge

co-pays, cash pay, etc. If they have max'd true therapy gains and are

independent with a HEP, what do you do, tell them they are done, send them to

the chiropractor who would continue traction without second thoughts, give them

an over the door traction unit???

Lindberg, PT

> >

> > Hello Group,

> >

> > Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

> >

> > You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Lindberg, PT

> > Avista Adventist Hospital

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is a great response!!  Why do we, as PTs, keepi thinking that making

someone feel better (and them paying for it) is a bad thing?  We continue to

chase patients out our door for some reason! 

I say that if someone wants me to do traction on them, and wants to pay me, I

will let them pay me and I will NOT feel bad about it!  Let's face it, some

people get better when you burn incense and chant (not very evidence based,

huh?).

 

As long as you have direct access, the standard intake form that they sign gives

you consent (as long as you have verbage in there that they consent to care.

 

Good luck, and keep turning people into PT fans!!!!

Subject: Re: Consent form for self pay traction

To: PTManager

Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 3:13 PM

 

,

Maybe palliative would be a better term than preventative. We have patients that

get good relief of neck, UE, back, or LE symptoms that have max'd benefits, huge

co-pays, cash pay, etc. If they have max'd true therapy gains and are

independent with a HEP, what do you do, tell them they are done, send them to

the chiropractor who would continue traction without second thoughts, give them

an over the door traction unit???

Lindberg, PT

> >

> > Hello Group,

> >

> > Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

> >

> > You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Lindberg, PT

> > Avista Adventist Hospital

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am good with palliative. I don't believe there is any evidence that mechanical

traction is preventative of anything but it can certainly be palliative.

I tend to recommend the Saunders Home Trac home cervical traction unit for those

with severe cervical stenosis secondary to spondylosis whose rehab potential has

been maximized clinically but who still like the traction to manage episodes of

pain, spasm, headaches. It can, however, be expensive if insurance doesn't

cover it. I have never found anything for the lumbar spine that works as well.

E. s, PT, DPT, OCS, FAAOMPT

www.douglasspt.com

> > >

> > > Hello Group,

> > >

> > > Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

> > >

> > > You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Lindberg, PT

> > > Avista Adventist Hospital

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There are some good home traction units (not over the door) that can be operated

easily by the patient. 

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8 & keywords=saunders+traction & tag=googhydr-20 & inde\

x=aps & hvadid=3280944961 & ref=pd_sl_8pke7aggaf_e

 

NY

To: PTManager

Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:13 PM

Subject: Re: Consent form for self pay traction

 

,

Maybe palliative would be a better term than preventative. We have patients that

get good relief of neck, UE, back, or LE symptoms that have max'd benefits, huge

co-pays, cash pay, etc. If they have max'd true therapy gains and are

independent with a HEP, what do you do, tell them they are done, send them to

the chiropractor who would continue traction without second thoughts, give them

an over the door traction unit???

Lindberg, PT

> >

> > Hello Group,

> >

> > Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

> >

> > You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Lindberg, PT

> > Avista Adventist Hospital

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There are some good home traction units (not over the door) that can be operated

easily by the patient. 

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8 & keywords=saunders+traction & tag=googhydr-20 & inde\

x=aps & hvadid=3280944961 & ref=pd_sl_8pke7aggaf_e

 

NY

To: PTManager

Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:13 PM

Subject: Re: Consent form for self pay traction

 

,

Maybe palliative would be a better term than preventative. We have patients that

get good relief of neck, UE, back, or LE symptoms that have max'd benefits, huge

co-pays, cash pay, etc. If they have max'd true therapy gains and are

independent with a HEP, what do you do, tell them they are done, send them to

the chiropractor who would continue traction without second thoughts, give them

an over the door traction unit???

Lindberg, PT

> >

> > Hello Group,

> >

> > Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

> >

> > You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Lindberg, PT

> > Avista Adventist Hospital

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sell your patients whatever you want, that is up to you. My concern was with

someone representing the PT profession touting a modality as preventative when

there is no evidence to suggest that it is, as and I have clarified

palliative may have been a better choice of words. So yeah, light that candle

and chant kumbaya if you want to, charge whatever you can get your patient to

pay, just don't make false claims about it.

E s, PT, DPT, OCS, FAAOMPT

www.douglasspt.com

> > >

> > > Hello Group,

> > >

> > > Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

> > >

> > > You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Lindberg, PT

> > > Avista Adventist Hospital

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Sell your patients whatever you want, that is up to you. My concern was with

someone representing the PT profession touting a modality as preventative when

there is no evidence to suggest that it is, as and I have clarified

palliative may have been a better choice of words. So yeah, light that candle

and chant kumbaya if you want to, charge whatever you can get your patient to

pay, just don't make false claims about it.

E s, PT, DPT, OCS, FAAOMPT

www.douglasspt.com

> > >

> > > Hello Group,

> > >

> > > Does anyone provide patients who have max'd insurance benefits, without

insurance, or those who want to continue with traction as a preventative

modality the opportunity to continue with traction (lumbar or cervical). We are

looking into having our tech set up these patients and are wondering if anyone

out there has a consent form they have made up for this.

> > >

> > > You can call me or contact me off list @ christopherlindberg@

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Lindberg, PT

> > > Avista Adventist Hospital

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