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Todd,

As you probably already know...

" The purpose of these notes is simply to create a record of all

treatments and skilled interventions that are provided and to record

the time of the services in order to justify the use of billing codes

on the claim. " (page 36)

Also, I have been told by Medicare consultants that time-in/time-out

is not sufficient.

We do the following:

time-in/time-out

time for one-on-one procedures

time for supervised modalities (eg: traction).

For example:

time-in: 8am

time-out: 9am = 4 units

8am to 8:30 therapeutic ex (one-on-one)

15 minutes traction

15 minutes e-stim = 4 units

That way the total and the time-in/time-out minutes are consistent.

You want to make it easy for the Medicare auditor to decide that you

are not 'low hanging fruit'.

I've found that well-designed chart templates and staff training are

crucial to ensure that your therapists consistently apply these

policies.

Once they get into the habit of jotting down the time it's not too

difficult.

Get a copy of my chart template at

http://www.bulletproofpt.com/compliance-plan.htm

Also, the reference for Transmittal 88 (page 36) is at

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/transmittals/downloads/r88bp.pdf

Tim

Tim , PT

www.BulletproofPT.com

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> Group, I am looking for non-grey interpretation of the

timed/unitmed/total minutes rule in transmittal 88. We are doing an

internal audit and the auditor feels that start/stop times are most

appropriate and reads start/stop times into the transmittal. I feel

that transmittal 88 says the total time, timed minutes are all that is

required. Untimed minutes are voluntary (we do include). Is there

something that supplants this transmittal that says start/stop times

are " best practice " ? Of course, charged units must match your recorded

minutes by following the 8 min rule.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Todd Mourning, PT

> Manager of Therapy Services

> Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital

> 315 8th Street

> Lincoln, IL 62656

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Tom,

Please specify what part of the scenario I posted did you disagree

with?

I found your scenario very similar to mine.

Another resource I use to help clarify the timing issue is the Part B

Billing Scenarios at...

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/TherapyServices/02_billing_scenarios.asp

Specifically...

" 2. Billing - CPT Codes: Permitted

In the same 15-minute time period, one therapist may bill for more

than one therapy service occurring in the same 15-minute time period

where " supervised modalities " are defined by CPT as untimed and

unattended -- not requiring the presence of the therapist (CPT codes

97010 - 97028). One or more supervised modalities may be billed in the

same 15-minute time period with any other CPT code, timed or untimed,

requiring constant attendance or direct one-on-one patient contact.

However, any actual time the therapist uses to attend one-on-one to a

patient receiving a supervised modality cannot be counted for any

other service provided by the therapist. "

The timing issue shouldn't be all that controversial.

I find the biggest issue is cultural - therapists don't like being

told they must check their stopwatch at the beginning and the end of

their one-on-one treatments.

Unfortunately, we are paid $3.06 billion dollars per year (2006

figures) by Medicare for uncertain outcomes.

I don't believe they trust us.

Therefore, they micromanage our time to justify their dollars.

Bite the bullet and get a watch.

I wear a Timex Ironman and I check it frequently.

Tim

www.BulletproofPT.com

timrichpt@...

> >>

> >> Group, I am looking for non-grey interpretation of the

> > timed/unitmed/total minutes rule in transmittal 88. We are doing

an

> internal audit and the auditor feels that start/stop times are most

> appropriate and reads start/stop times into the transmittal. I feel

that

> transmittal 88 says the total time, timed minutes are all that is

> required. Untimed minutes are voluntary (we do include). Is there

> something that supplants this transmittal that says start/stop times

are

> " best practice " ? Of course, charged units must match your recorded

> minutes by following the 8 min rule.

> >>

> >> Thanks.

> >>

> >> Todd Mourning, PT

> >> Manager of Therapy Services

> >> Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital

> >> 315 8th Street

> >> Lincoln, IL 62656

> >>

> >>

> >> (direct)

> >> (fax)

> >>

> >> mourning.todd@<mailto:mourning.todd@>

> >>

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >> This message (including any attachments) contains confidential

> > information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is

> protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should

> delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of

this

> message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly

> > prohibited.

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Tom,

Please specify what part of the scenario I posted did you disagree

with?

I found your scenario very similar to mine.

Another resource I use to help clarify the timing issue is the Part B

Billing Scenarios at...

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/TherapyServices/02_billing_scenarios.asp

Specifically...

" 2. Billing - CPT Codes: Permitted

In the same 15-minute time period, one therapist may bill for more

than one therapy service occurring in the same 15-minute time period

where " supervised modalities " are defined by CPT as untimed and

unattended -- not requiring the presence of the therapist (CPT codes

97010 - 97028). One or more supervised modalities may be billed in the

same 15-minute time period with any other CPT code, timed or untimed,

requiring constant attendance or direct one-on-one patient contact.

However, any actual time the therapist uses to attend one-on-one to a

patient receiving a supervised modality cannot be counted for any

other service provided by the therapist. "

The timing issue shouldn't be all that controversial.

I find the biggest issue is cultural - therapists don't like being

told they must check their stopwatch at the beginning and the end of

their one-on-one treatments.

Unfortunately, we are paid $3.06 billion dollars per year (2006

figures) by Medicare for uncertain outcomes.

I don't believe they trust us.

Therefore, they micromanage our time to justify their dollars.

Bite the bullet and get a watch.

I wear a Timex Ironman and I check it frequently.

Tim

www.BulletproofPT.com

timrichpt@...

> >>

> >> Group, I am looking for non-grey interpretation of the

> > timed/unitmed/total minutes rule in transmittal 88. We are doing

an

> internal audit and the auditor feels that start/stop times are most

> appropriate and reads start/stop times into the transmittal. I feel

that

> transmittal 88 says the total time, timed minutes are all that is

> required. Untimed minutes are voluntary (we do include). Is there

> something that supplants this transmittal that says start/stop times

are

> " best practice " ? Of course, charged units must match your recorded

> minutes by following the 8 min rule.

> >>

> >> Thanks.

> >>

> >> Todd Mourning, PT

> >> Manager of Therapy Services

> >> Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital

> >> 315 8th Street

> >> Lincoln, IL 62656

> >>

> >>

> >> (direct)

> >> (fax)

> >>

> >> mourning.todd@<mailto:mourning.todd@>

> >>

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >> This message (including any attachments) contains confidential

> > information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is

> protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should

> delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of

this

> message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly

> > prohibited.

> >>

> >>

> >>

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