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Todd,

As you probably already know...

" The purpose of these notes is simply to create a record of all

treatments and skilled interventions that are provided and to record

the time of the services in order to justify the use of billing codes

on the claim. " (page 36)

Also, I have been told by Medicare consultants that time-in/time-out

is not sufficient.

We do the following:

time-in/time-out

time for one-on-one procedures

time for supervised modalities (eg: traction).

For example:

time-in: 8am

time-out: 9am = 4 units

8am to 8:30 therapeutic ex (one-on-one)

15 minutes traction

15 minutes e-stim = 4 units

That way the total and the time-in/time-out minutes are consistent.

You want to make it easy for the Medicare auditor to decide that you

are not 'low hanging fruit'.

I've found that well-designed chart templates and staff training are

crucial to ensure that your therapists consistently apply these

policies.

Once they get into the habit of jotting down the time it's not too

difficult.

Get a copy of my chart template at

http://www.bulletproofpt.com/compliance-plan.htm

Also, the reference for Transmittal 88 (page 36) is at

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/transmittals/downloads/r88bp.pdf

Tim

Tim , PT

www.BulletproofPT.com

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> Group, I am looking for non-grey interpretation of the

timed/unitmed/total minutes rule in transmittal 88. We are doing an

internal audit and the auditor feels that start/stop times are most

appropriate and reads start/stop times into the transmittal. I feel

that transmittal 88 says the total time, timed minutes are all that is

required. Untimed minutes are voluntary (we do include). Is there

something that supplants this transmittal that says start/stop times

are " best practice " ? Of course, charged units must match your recorded

minutes by following the 8 min rule.

>

> Thanks.

>

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Tom,

I agree.

Total treatment time = 60 minutes

Total timed code time = 30 minutes (ther ex)

....is a specific, easy-to-read summary of the session.

Your scenario is better.

Thank you.

Tim

www.BulletproofPT.com

> > >>

> > >> Group, I am looking for non-grey interpretation of the

> > > timed/unitmed/total minutes rule in transmittal 88. We are doing

> an

> > internal audit and the auditor feels that start/stop times are

most

> > appropriate and reads start/stop times into the transmittal. I

feel

> that

> > transmittal 88 says the total time, timed minutes are all that is

> > required. Untimed minutes are voluntary (we do include). Is there

> > something that supplants this transmittal that says start/stop

times

> are

> > " best practice " ? Of course, charged units must match your recorded

> > minutes by following the 8 min rule.

> > >>

> > >> Thanks.

> > >>

> > >> Todd Mourning, PT

> > >> Manager of Therapy Services

> > >> Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital

> > >> 315 8th Street

> > >> Lincoln, IL 62656

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> (direct)

> > >> (fax)

> > >>

> > >> mourning.todd@<mailto:mourning.todd@>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> ________________________________

> > >> This message (including any attachments) contains confidential

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is

> > protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you

should

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> this

> > message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly

> > > prohibited.

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Tom,

I agree.

Total treatment time = 60 minutes

Total timed code time = 30 minutes (ther ex)

....is a specific, easy-to-read summary of the session.

Your scenario is better.

Thank you.

Tim

www.BulletproofPT.com

> > >>

> > >> Group, I am looking for non-grey interpretation of the

> > > timed/unitmed/total minutes rule in transmittal 88. We are doing

> an

> > internal audit and the auditor feels that start/stop times are

most

> > appropriate and reads start/stop times into the transmittal. I

feel

> that

> > transmittal 88 says the total time, timed minutes are all that is

> > required. Untimed minutes are voluntary (we do include). Is there

> > something that supplants this transmittal that says start/stop

times

> are

> > " best practice " ? Of course, charged units must match your recorded

> > minutes by following the 8 min rule.

> > >>

> > >> Thanks.

> > >>

> > >> Todd Mourning, PT

> > >> Manager of Therapy Services

> > >> Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital

> > >> 315 8th Street

> > >> Lincoln, IL 62656

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> (direct)

> > >> (fax)

> > >>

> > >> mourning.todd@<mailto:mourning.todd@>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> ________________________________

> > >> This message (including any attachments) contains confidential

> > > information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and

is

> > protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you

should

> > delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of

> this

> > message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly

> > > prohibited.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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