Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Before I started taking this heart medicine Coreg 15 grams of carbs with no Humalog would raise my blood glucose level approximately 100 points. In my experiments on myself I long ago determined that one gram of carb would raise my bs points approximately 7.5 points. That is a big difference to what the examination calls for. 15 grams of carbs and 100 bs points as compared to 38 bs points. I would have flunked that exam for sure. crap shoot Due to CHF congestive heart failure my cardiologist has placed me on a medication Coreg, which causes false blood glucose readings, which makes it difficult to manage my bs levels. Last night I had a bs of 115 at bed time, so I took enough grams of carbs to push it up to 140-150 before dosing my night time Lantus of 28 units. Before I got on this medication a night time reading of 140 or there abouts would give me a fasting bs level of 90-100.Sometime during the night I awoke with a night shirt drenched in sweat. This told me I was having a low sugar reaction. So I reached on my bedside table for two candies containing around 9 grams of carbs and ate them. Then I went back to sleep. Early in the morning this morning my wife tried to awake me, but I could not be awakened. So she took a bs reading, which I do not remember. She also had to stick my finger twice to get an adequate blood sample for the test strip. I do not remember this. She got a bs reading of 60, then she fed me two glucose tablets. I do not remember this either. Fourty minutes later she did another bs sample and got a reading of 77, which I do remember. I am now involved in a crap shoot to figure out how to get a reasonable bs reading and how to dose insulin. I don't know if my next roll of the dice will be a 7, snake eyes or boxcars. The crap shoot continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Before I started taking this heart medicine Coreg 15 grams of carbs with no Humalog would raise my blood glucose level approximately 100 points. In my experiments on myself I long ago determined that one gram of carb would raise my bs points approximately 7.5 points. That is a big difference to what the examination calls for. 15 grams of carbs and 100 bs points as compared to 38 bs points. I would have flunked that exam for sure. crap shoot Due to CHF congestive heart failure my cardiologist has placed me on a medication Coreg, which causes false blood glucose readings, which makes it difficult to manage my bs levels. Last night I had a bs of 115 at bed time, so I took enough grams of carbs to push it up to 140-150 before dosing my night time Lantus of 28 units. Before I got on this medication a night time reading of 140 or there abouts would give me a fasting bs level of 90-100.Sometime during the night I awoke with a night shirt drenched in sweat. This told me I was having a low sugar reaction. So I reached on my bedside table for two candies containing around 9 grams of carbs and ate them. Then I went back to sleep. Early in the morning this morning my wife tried to awake me, but I could not be awakened. So she took a bs reading, which I do not remember. She also had to stick my finger twice to get an adequate blood sample for the test strip. I do not remember this. She got a bs reading of 60, then she fed me two glucose tablets. I do not remember this either. Fourty minutes later she did another bs sample and got a reading of 77, which I do remember. I am now involved in a crap shoot to figure out how to get a reasonable bs reading and how to dose insulin. I don't know if my next roll of the dice will be a 7, snake eyes or boxcars. The crap shoot continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Harry I don't use insulin, so I don't understand everything about taking insulin, but with a bedtime reading of 127, why didn't you just go to bed? I don't understand the need to both eat carbs and take insulin with a bedtime reading of 127. Becky _____ From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Harry/ Bates Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:03 PM To: blind-diabetics Subject: Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Harry I don't use insulin, so I don't understand everything about taking insulin, but with a bedtime reading of 127, why didn't you just go to bed? I don't understand the need to both eat carbs and take insulin with a bedtime reading of 127. Becky _____ From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Harry/ Bates Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:03 PM To: blind-diabetics Subject: Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Harry I don't use insulin, so I don't understand everything about taking insulin, but with a bedtime reading of 127, why didn't you just go to bed? I don't understand the need to both eat carbs and take insulin with a bedtime reading of 127. Becky _____ From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Harry/ Bates Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:03 PM To: blind-diabetics Subject: Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Hi harry, This just goes to show you that each person is different. This formula works for me when I have tested them. Ruth From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Harry/ Bates Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:24 PM To: blind-diabetics Subject: Re: crap shoot Before I started taking this heart medicine Coreg 15 grams of carbs with no Humalog would raise my blood glucose level approximately 100 points. In my experiments on myself I long ago determined that one gram of carb would raise my bs points approximately 7.5 points. That is a big difference to what the examination calls for. 15 grams of carbs and 100 bs points as compared to 38 bs points. I would have flunked that exam for sure. crap shoot Due to CHF congestive heart failure my cardiologist has placed me on a medication Coreg, which causes false blood glucose readings, which makes it difficult to manage my bs levels. Last night I had a bs of 115 at bed time, so I took enough grams of carbs to push it up to 140-150 before dosing my night time Lantus of 28 units. Before I got on this medication a night time reading of 140 or there abouts would give me a fasting bs level of 90-100.Sometime during the night I awoke with a night shirt drenched in sweat. This told me I was having a low sugar reaction. So I reached on my bedside table for two candies containing around 9 grams of carbs and ate them. Then I went back to sleep. Early in the morning this morning my wife tried to awake me, but I could not be awakened. So she took a bs reading, which I do not remember. She also had to stick my finger twice to get an adequate blood sample for the test strip. I do not remember this. She got a bs reading of 60, then she fed me two glucose tablets. I do not remember this either. Fourty minutes later she did another bs sample and got a reading of 77, which I do remember. I am now involved in a crap shoot to figure out how to get a reasonable bs reading and how to dose insulin. I don't know if my next roll of the dice will be a 7, snake eyes or boxcars. The crap shoot continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Hi harry, This just goes to show you that each person is different. This formula works for me when I have tested them. Ruth From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Harry/ Bates Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:24 PM To: blind-diabetics Subject: Re: crap shoot Before I started taking this heart medicine Coreg 15 grams of carbs with no Humalog would raise my blood glucose level approximately 100 points. In my experiments on myself I long ago determined that one gram of carb would raise my bs points approximately 7.5 points. That is a big difference to what the examination calls for. 15 grams of carbs and 100 bs points as compared to 38 bs points. I would have flunked that exam for sure. crap shoot Due to CHF congestive heart failure my cardiologist has placed me on a medication Coreg, which causes false blood glucose readings, which makes it difficult to manage my bs levels. Last night I had a bs of 115 at bed time, so I took enough grams of carbs to push it up to 140-150 before dosing my night time Lantus of 28 units. Before I got on this medication a night time reading of 140 or there abouts would give me a fasting bs level of 90-100.Sometime during the night I awoke with a night shirt drenched in sweat. This told me I was having a low sugar reaction. So I reached on my bedside table for two candies containing around 9 grams of carbs and ate them. Then I went back to sleep. Early in the morning this morning my wife tried to awake me, but I could not be awakened. So she took a bs reading, which I do not remember. She also had to stick my finger twice to get an adequate blood sample for the test strip. I do not remember this. She got a bs reading of 60, then she fed me two glucose tablets. I do not remember this either. Fourty minutes later she did another bs sample and got a reading of 77, which I do remember. I am now involved in a crap shoot to figure out how to get a reasonable bs reading and how to dose insulin. I don't know if my next roll of the dice will be a 7, snake eyes or boxcars. The crap shoot continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 He took insulin then Becky in order to avoid the thing called " the dawn phenomen " . This is when your BG goes up in the morning to give yout he extra energy you need to start your day. To non-diabetics, it goes up slightly, but in diabetics, because there is not enough insulin being produced, it can go way above normal. Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 He took insulin then Becky in order to avoid the thing called " the dawn phenomen " . This is when your BG goes up in the morning to give yout he extra energy you need to start your day. To non-diabetics, it goes up slightly, but in diabetics, because there is not enough insulin being produced, it can go way above normal. Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 He took insulin then Becky in order to avoid the thing called " the dawn phenomen " . This is when your BG goes up in the morning to give yout he extra energy you need to start your day. To non-diabetics, it goes up slightly, but in diabetics, because there is not enough insulin being produced, it can go way above normal. Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Becky, I thought about it and took your advice, which turned out to be pretty good. At bedtime my bs level was 115, so I did not eat any carbs or dose any insulin. This morning my fasting bs level was 120. Ordinarily, prior to chf and taking Coreg, if I did not dose insulin my bs would rise 50-60 points over night at a minimum. I do not like my bs level to get at or above 160 at all. Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Becky, I thought about it and took your advice, which turned out to be pretty good. At bedtime my bs level was 115, so I did not eat any carbs or dose any insulin. This morning my fasting bs level was 120. Ordinarily, prior to chf and taking Coreg, if I did not dose insulin my bs would rise 50-60 points over night at a minimum. I do not like my bs level to get at or above 160 at all. Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Becky, I thought about it and took your advice, which turned out to be pretty good. At bedtime my bs level was 115, so I did not eat any carbs or dose any insulin. This morning my fasting bs level was 120. Ordinarily, prior to chf and taking Coreg, if I did not dose insulin my bs would rise 50-60 points over night at a minimum. I do not like my bs level to get at or above 160 at all. Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Harry I'm glad my question gave you a reason to try something different and that it worked out. I hope things stabilize for you. Becky _____ From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Harry/ Bates Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: blind-diabetics Subject: Re: crap shoot Becky, I thought about it and took your advice, which turned out to be pretty good. At bedtime my bs level was 115, so I did not eat any carbs or dose any insulin. This morning my fasting bs level was 120. Ordinarily, prior to chf and taking Coreg, if I did not dose insulin my bs would rise 50-60 points over night at a minimum. I do not like my bs level to get at or above 160 at all. Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Harry I'm glad my question gave you a reason to try something different and that it worked out. I hope things stabilize for you. Becky _____ From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Harry/ Bates Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: blind-diabetics Subject: Re: crap shoot Becky, I thought about it and took your advice, which turned out to be pretty good. At bedtime my bs level was 115, so I did not eat any carbs or dose any insulin. This morning my fasting bs level was 120. Ordinarily, prior to chf and taking Coreg, if I did not dose insulin my bs would rise 50-60 points over night at a minimum. I do not like my bs level to get at or above 160 at all. Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Harry I'm glad my question gave you a reason to try something different and that it worked out. I hope things stabilize for you. Becky _____ From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Harry/ Bates Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:39 PM To: blind-diabetics Subject: Re: crap shoot Becky, I thought about it and took your advice, which turned out to be pretty good. At bedtime my bs level was 115, so I did not eat any carbs or dose any insulin. This morning my fasting bs level was 120. Ordinarily, prior to chf and taking Coreg, if I did not dose insulin my bs would rise 50-60 points over night at a minimum. I do not like my bs level to get at or above 160 at all. Re: crap shoot Last night I had a bedtime reading of 127. So I dosed 7 units of Lantus and ate 10 grams of carbs and went to bed. This morning I had a fasting bs level of 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 I believe I am narrowing the true target of my insulin dosage and insulin to carg ratio. Drugs can certainly change a diabetics bs glucose levels and insulin dosage. At least if you are diagnosed with CHF Congestive Heart Failure and placed on Coreg medication, both an alpha blocker and a beta blocker. This particular medication has made a dramatic difference in my bs levels as well as my insulin dosage. Prior to being placed on this medication I dosed 48 units of Lantus per day for my basal insulin usage. I dosed 28 units at night and 20 units in the morning. Now I get almost the same results with only 16 units of Lantus per day. I now dose 8 units at bedtime and 8 units in the morning. I am still trying to figure out my insulin to carb ratio, but I can say it, too, has been considerably reduced. In the past one unit of Humalog would reduce my bs points by 7.5 points. Now one unit of Humalog reduces my bs points by 9.5 points. In the past my insulin to carb ratio was 0.4, today it is somewhere between 0.25-0.30. These in my opinion are dramatic differences. I also run higher bs levels. In the past I tried to run bs levels close to 100. Now I try to run bs levels some where in the range of 110-130. I figured the very low bs put quite a strain on my heart, causing it to palpate strongly. I will just have to keep testing to see how things go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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