Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Todd, Yes it does sound a lot like Medicare and if we don't continue to fight the govt leviathan we will be writing more posts like yours about Medicare in a few years...or sooner... " The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of others peoples money " Margaret Thatcher. Phil Caraher, DPT, MS, CSCS Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. Thank you. > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> > > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> >> > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > E. s, PT, DPT > > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist > > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists > > > > www.douglasspt.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Todd, Yes it does sound a lot like Medicare and if we don't continue to fight the govt leviathan we will be writing more posts like yours about Medicare in a few years...or sooner... " The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of others peoples money " Margaret Thatcher. Phil Caraher, DPT, MS, CSCS Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. Thank you. > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> > > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> >> > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > E. s, PT, DPT > > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist > > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists > > > > www.douglasspt.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Good point, Todd - Medicare is designed to reimburse providers for their " cost " of providing the services. Once, Medicare was the worst payor, but now it's the best payor for some porviders. Yesterday, in a conversation with a couple of COOs of two hospitals in a system, somehow the topic of healthcare reform came up. One simple solution to the universal coverage need was presented: 1) Give everyone in the US the same elite coverage that Congress has, 2) Tell all veterans that they and their dependents (and Ex's) are now covered at that level under the VA, or 3) Send every body in the US a Medicare card and ugrade the services to Congressional elite levels. If coverage is the real issue, that would provide coverage. While they're at it, they could then provide government employee levels of pensions and benefits for health care professionals. They could begin to do it on January 1st, five years after implementing serious tort reform for the lawyers, or arrange for them to get paid the same way that Medicare pays providers. Every organization is already doing QA, so that ought to deal with the desires for " quality " . Happy " Hump-Day " to all, Dr. Dick Hillyer Dr. W. Hillyer Lee Therapist Group, LLC Hillyer Consulting Cape Coral, FL 33914 _____ From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Todd Gifford Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:46 PM To: PTManager Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform Hello - Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about delayed payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program? Excessive paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical denials, overloaded systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow cash flow (too high a percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't help but laugh - sounds a lot like Medicare. Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . . Todd Todd Gifford PT TherapeuticAssociates www.therapeuticassociates.com www.careconnections.com phone | ext 1102 Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Good point, Todd - Medicare is designed to reimburse providers for their " cost " of providing the services. Once, Medicare was the worst payor, but now it's the best payor for some porviders. Yesterday, in a conversation with a couple of COOs of two hospitals in a system, somehow the topic of healthcare reform came up. One simple solution to the universal coverage need was presented: 1) Give everyone in the US the same elite coverage that Congress has, 2) Tell all veterans that they and their dependents (and Ex's) are now covered at that level under the VA, or 3) Send every body in the US a Medicare card and ugrade the services to Congressional elite levels. If coverage is the real issue, that would provide coverage. While they're at it, they could then provide government employee levels of pensions and benefits for health care professionals. They could begin to do it on January 1st, five years after implementing serious tort reform for the lawyers, or arrange for them to get paid the same way that Medicare pays providers. Every organization is already doing QA, so that ought to deal with the desires for " quality " . Happy " Hump-Day " to all, Dr. Dick Hillyer Dr. W. Hillyer Lee Therapist Group, LLC Hillyer Consulting Cape Coral, FL 33914 _____ From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Todd Gifford Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:46 PM To: PTManager Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform Hello - Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about delayed payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program? Excessive paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical denials, overloaded systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow cash flow (too high a percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't help but laugh - sounds a lot like Medicare. Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . . Todd Todd Gifford PT TherapeuticAssociates www.therapeuticassociates.com www.careconnections.com phone | ext 1102 Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Good point, Todd - Medicare is designed to reimburse providers for their " cost " of providing the services. Once, Medicare was the worst payor, but now it's the best payor for some porviders. Yesterday, in a conversation with a couple of COOs of two hospitals in a system, somehow the topic of healthcare reform came up. One simple solution to the universal coverage need was presented: 1) Give everyone in the US the same elite coverage that Congress has, 2) Tell all veterans that they and their dependents (and Ex's) are now covered at that level under the VA, or 3) Send every body in the US a Medicare card and ugrade the services to Congressional elite levels. If coverage is the real issue, that would provide coverage. While they're at it, they could then provide government employee levels of pensions and benefits for health care professionals. They could begin to do it on January 1st, five years after implementing serious tort reform for the lawyers, or arrange for them to get paid the same way that Medicare pays providers. Every organization is already doing QA, so that ought to deal with the desires for " quality " . Happy " Hump-Day " to all, Dr. Dick Hillyer Dr. W. Hillyer Lee Therapist Group, LLC Hillyer Consulting Cape Coral, FL 33914 _____ From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Todd Gifford Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:46 PM To: PTManager Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform Hello - Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about delayed payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program? Excessive paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical denials, overloaded systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow cash flow (too high a percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't help but laugh - sounds a lot like Medicare. Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . . Todd Todd Gifford PT TherapeuticAssociates www.therapeuticassociates.com www.careconnections.com phone | ext 1102 Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. Thank you. > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 GREAT perspective, Todd. We keep making the same mistakes over and over and never learn that if the government creates a plan to help you...watch your wallet! Brad Thorne, P.T. Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform To: " PTManager " <PTManager > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 4:45 PM  Hello - Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about delayed payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program? Excessive paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical denials, overloaded systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow cash flow (too high a percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't help but laugh - sounds a lot like Medicare. Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . . Todd Todd Gifford PT TherapeuticAssociat es www.therapeuticasso ciates.com www.careconnections .com phone | ext 1102 Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 GREAT perspective, Todd. We keep making the same mistakes over and over and never learn that if the government creates a plan to help you...watch your wallet! Brad Thorne, P.T. Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform To: " PTManager " <PTManager > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 4:45 PM  Hello - Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about delayed payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program? Excessive paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical denials, overloaded systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow cash flow (too high a percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't help but laugh - sounds a lot like Medicare. Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . . Todd Todd Gifford PT TherapeuticAssociat es www.therapeuticasso ciates.com www.careconnections .com phone | ext 1102 Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. Thank you. > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > >> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > >> > > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > >> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > >> >> > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > E. s, PT, DPT > > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist > > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists > > > > www.douglasspt. com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 GREAT perspective, Todd. We keep making the same mistakes over and over and never learn that if the government creates a plan to help you...watch your wallet! Brad Thorne, P.T. Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform To: " PTManager " <PTManager > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 4:45 PM  Hello - Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about delayed payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program? Excessive paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical denials, overloaded systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow cash flow (too high a percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't help but laugh - sounds a lot like Medicare. Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . . Todd Todd Gifford PT TherapeuticAssociat es www.therapeuticasso ciates.com www.careconnections .com phone | ext 1102 Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. Thank you. > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > >> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > >> > > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > >> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html> > >> >> > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > E. s, PT, DPT > > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist > > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists > > > > www.douglasspt. com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 But aren't those the neighbors of the nosy employees who now work for private insurers. No electronic record is truely sAfe from snooping. ,PT Michigan Sent from my iPhone Wow, the more I learn about what HR3200 (the healthcare reform bill) says, the more resolute I am in opposing it. Section 431(a) of the bill says that the IRS must divulge taxpayer identity information, including the filing status, the modified adjusted gross income, the number of dependents, and " other information as is prescribed by " regulation. That information will be provided to the new Health Choices Commissioner and state health programs and used to determine who qualifies for " affordability credits. " Section 245((2)(A) says the IRS must divulge tax return details -- there's no specified limit on what's available or unavailable -- to the Health Choices Commissioner. The purpose, again, is to verify " affordability credits. " Section 1801(a) says that the Social Security Administration can obtain tax return data on anyone who may be eligible for a " low-income prescription drug subsidy " but has not applied for it. Tom Giovanetti from The Institute for Policy Innovation made a very astute comment that: " How many thousands of federal employees will have access to your records? The privacy of your health records will be only as good as the most nosy, most dishonest and most malcontented federal employee.... So say good-bye to privacy from the federal government. It was fun while it lasted for 233 years. " Curtis Marti, OTR/L Inpatient Coordinator of Therapies (office) (pager) cmarti@... IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that we do not consent to any reading, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message. If you have recieved this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the trasmitted information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I get it. No company is allowed to make profit off of someone's need. Let's take for a moment " need " and make it a cube we can hold in our hands or place on the table. Each time some body wants something they can point to the cube. Food...point to the cube, housing...point to the cube, healthcare...point to the cube. What those who argue for govt run health care cant seem to understand is that the federal govt was designed to perform a short list of responsibilities (see previous post). Those of you who are asking for more govt involvement in our lives should look into Tytlers life cycle of a democracy. The last steps are apathy, dependence than bondage. DO we ever learn from history...?????? I cannot get my mind around how we consider ourselves critical thinkers and problem solvers but cant seem to find any answer to healthcare other than letting the govt run it. Free market solutions are the only solutions. Free market competition will always produce the best product at the lowest cost. By the way, when did a need become a right as the left argues it is? Healthcare is not a right. And when did it become a crime to make a profit? I will tell you when it became a crime. When those in power want to keep there wealth and at the same time prevent the rest of us from accumulating it. I refer to is as " pulling up the ladder behind you. " Those who are wealthy are entitled to it but the rest of us are not. For example, opting out of government run healthcare....sound familiar? Phil Caraher, DPT, MS, CSCS Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > > former > > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in > the > > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to > watch > > > > this > > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > > families. > > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions > on > > > > this > > > > > piece. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> > > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> > > > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> > > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > E. s, PT, DPT > > > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist > > > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists > > > > > www.douglasspt.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Great post. I would love to have someone breakdown who was for a central banking system and who was not back when the constitution was being written. There is a good book about ending the Fed called " The case against the Fed " by Murray Rothbard. Phil Re: Re: Healthcare Reform Dick, As you probably recognize, the sudden urgency regarding the healthcare reform issue is largely a smokescreen for our much greater and growing financial, monetary, and economic woes. If we end the Federal Reserve (which everyone by now hopefully knows isn't federal and isn't a reserve but rather a private banking system), we could easily pay for a healthcare system identical to the one our priviledged oligarchs ... er, I mean our representatives to Congress, have. I encourage all to read such books as The Creature From Jekyll Island and The Web of Debt to become more informed and to push for HR1207 to audit the Federal Reserve and hopefull, eventually rid ourselves of its shackles. After that, we can begin addressing insurance reform, tort reform, and the myriad of other issues facing us and affecting the future welfare of our country and our children. Central banking systems have done nothing to stabilize our financial systems. In fact, they have done the exact opposite as evidenced by our experience of the two greatest financial disasters in history, the Great Depression and the present Great Recession (cough, cough), both of which occurred after the Federal Reserve was surreptitiously formed in 1913. The push for the Federal Reserve came about as a consequence of the Panic of 1907. JP came to our rescue on that one and played the hero. However, he was also the one who perpetrated it in the first place. The same s, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc. pushed for the Federal Reserve because of the manner in which it enriched them. BTW, they also pushed for the progressive income tax in 1913 (obviously a very, very bad year for the American public) which seemed to be a great idea on first appearances. But when this power elite (who are far wealthier than Bill Gates or Warren Buffet) have their wealth hidden in a spiderwebbed maze of trusts and foundations on which they pay zero taxes, are the rich really paying more or was it the middle class taken to the cleaners again (as we are now)? , PT, OCS Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. 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<http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> >> > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > E. s, PT, DPT > > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist > > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists > > > > www.douglasspt.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Great post. I would love to have someone breakdown who was for a central banking system and who was not back when the constitution was being written. There is a good book about ending the Fed called " The case against the Fed " by Murray Rothbard. Phil Re: Re: Healthcare Reform Dick, As you probably recognize, the sudden urgency regarding the healthcare reform issue is largely a smokescreen for our much greater and growing financial, monetary, and economic woes. If we end the Federal Reserve (which everyone by now hopefully knows isn't federal and isn't a reserve but rather a private banking system), we could easily pay for a healthcare system identical to the one our priviledged oligarchs ... er, I mean our representatives to Congress, have. I encourage all to read such books as The Creature From Jekyll Island and The Web of Debt to become more informed and to push for HR1207 to audit the Federal Reserve and hopefull, eventually rid ourselves of its shackles. After that, we can begin addressing insurance reform, tort reform, and the myriad of other issues facing us and affecting the future welfare of our country and our children. Central banking systems have done nothing to stabilize our financial systems. In fact, they have done the exact opposite as evidenced by our experience of the two greatest financial disasters in history, the Great Depression and the present Great Recession (cough, cough), both of which occurred after the Federal Reserve was surreptitiously formed in 1913. The push for the Federal Reserve came about as a consequence of the Panic of 1907. JP came to our rescue on that one and played the hero. However, he was also the one who perpetrated it in the first place. The same s, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc. pushed for the Federal Reserve because of the manner in which it enriched them. BTW, they also pushed for the progressive income tax in 1913 (obviously a very, very bad year for the American public) which seemed to be a great idea on first appearances. But when this power elite (who are far wealthier than Bill Gates or Warren Buffet) have their wealth hidden in a spiderwebbed maze of trusts and foundations on which they pay zero taxes, are the rich really paying more or was it the middle class taken to the cleaners again (as we are now)? , PT, OCS Healthcare Reform > > > > > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well, > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter, > former > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in the > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to watch > > > this > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and > > > families. > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions on > > > this > > > > piece. Thank you. > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. 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org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > > > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html <http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html> > >> >> > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > E. s, PT, DPT > > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist > > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists > > > > www.douglasspt.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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