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The producers of this transmittal were clearly thinking about inpatient, not

outpatient, services.

What we have here at base is invent a system that has become complicated beyond

our ability to handle it. Follow the path of that transmittal... Broadly written

laws were handed from the legislature to an army of bureaucrats who produced

thousands of pages of interpretations. That mess, often clear as mud, induced

other bureaucrats to produce interpretations of the interpretations, like this

transmittal. Interpretations of the interpretations of the interpretations are

then applied by inspectors, and of course by those targeted by the rules (us).

The entire tangle of ideas is given the weight of law. Craziness.

________________________________

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

,

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:42 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is the

new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed practitioner

who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner must have

medical staff privileges to write orders for these services. Privileges must be

granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of practice law, as well

as with hospital policies and procedures governing rehabilitation services

developed by the medical staff and approved by the governing body. Practitioners

who may be granted privileges to order rehabilitation services include

physicians, and may also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to

Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the following

licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with

Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42

CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

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and Group,

My interpretation of this portion of the CMS manual is that this applies to

Medicare Part A which encompasses in-patients in the hospital rather than

out-patients. If this were to apply to out-patients it would severely alter

the way every hospital based out-patient clinic that I know of (including mine)

does business.

This is the first I’ve seen this particular document. Previous coverage

determinations applicable to out-patients have never limited referrals to

hospital providers and have allowed the therapist to establish the POC and that

the referring provider must only certify the POC.

I hope this helps. Anyone else have input on this?

Chad Yoakam

Livingston HealthCare

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

,

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:42 AM

To: PTManager

Subject: outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is the

new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed practitioner

who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner must have

medical staff privileges to write orders for these services. Privileges must be

granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of practice law, as well

as with hospital policies and procedures governing rehabilitation services

developed by the medical staff and approved by the governing body. Practitioners

who may be granted privileges to order rehabilitation services include

physicians, and may also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to

Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the following

licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with

Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42

CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

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Complete insanity. I hear APTA is trying to clarify.

Meryl W. Freeman, MS PT

Manager, Rex Hospital Outpatient Rehab

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

Milano, Dave

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:01 AM

To: 'PTManager '

Subject: RE: outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

The producers of this transmittal were clearly thinking about inpatient, not

outpatient, services.

What we have here at base is invent a system that has become complicated beyond

our ability to handle it. Follow the path of that transmittal... Broadly written

laws were handed from the legislature to an army of bureaucrats who produced

thousands of pages of interpretations. That mess, often clear as mud, induced

other bureaucrats to produce interpretations of the interpretations, like this

transmittal. Interpretations of the interpretations of the interpretations are

then applied by inspectors, and of course by those targeted by the rules (us).

The entire tangle of ideas is given the weight of law. Craziness.

________________________________

From: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf

Of ,

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:42 PM

To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is the

new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed practitioner

who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner must have

medical staff privileges to write orders for these services. Privileges must be

granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of practice law, as well

as with hospital policies and procedures governing rehabilitation services

developed by the medical staff and approved by the governing body. Practitioners

who may be granted privileges to order rehabilitation services include

physicians, and may also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to

Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the following

licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with

Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42

CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

pager

" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

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I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients and National APTA is working on

it

CMS issued Transmittal 72 (https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf)

on November 18, 2011 which includes interpretative guidelines for hospital

conditions of participation related to rehabilitation. This transmittal was

effective immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the Transmittal states

that rehab services must be orders by a qualified practitioner who is

responsible for the care of the patient and who has medical staff privileges to

write orders for these services. It then goes on to identify physicians, nurse

practitioners, clinical nurse specialists as qualified to write the orders.

These conditions of participation apply to both inpatient and outpatient

hospital settings and apply not only to Medicare beneficiaries but to all

patients who receive services in the hospital. APTA believes this interpretation

is inconsistent with current regulation. APTA has provided some information in

News Now at the following link.

http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to change this policy. CMS indicated

that they are working on a survey and certification memorandum that would

provide further clarification. APTA has also been communicating with the

American Hospital Association, AMRPA, American Occupational Therapy Association,

and American Speech Language Hearing Association about these interpretative

guidelines.

APTA sent the letter attached to this email to CMS on January 5, 2012. We are

looking at other efforts to get CMS to reconsider Transmittal 72.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

pager

" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is the

new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed practitioner

who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner must have

medical staff privileges to write orders for these services. Privileges must be

granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of practice law, as well

as with hospital policies and procedures governing rehabilitation services

developed by the medical staff and approved by the governing body. Practitioners

who may be granted privileges to order rehabilitation services include

physicians, and may also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to

Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the following

licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with

Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42

CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

pager

" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

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I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients and National APTA is working on

it

CMS issued Transmittal 72 (https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf)

on November 18, 2011 which includes interpretative guidelines for hospital

conditions of participation related to rehabilitation. This transmittal was

effective immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the Transmittal states

that rehab services must be orders by a qualified practitioner who is

responsible for the care of the patient and who has medical staff privileges to

write orders for these services. It then goes on to identify physicians, nurse

practitioners, clinical nurse specialists as qualified to write the orders.

These conditions of participation apply to both inpatient and outpatient

hospital settings and apply not only to Medicare beneficiaries but to all

patients who receive services in the hospital. APTA believes this interpretation

is inconsistent with current regulation. APTA has provided some information in

News Now at the following link.

http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to change this policy. CMS indicated

that they are working on a survey and certification memorandum that would

provide further clarification. APTA has also been communicating with the

American Hospital Association, AMRPA, American Occupational Therapy Association,

and American Speech Language Hearing Association about these interpretative

guidelines.

APTA sent the letter attached to this email to CMS on January 5, 2012. We are

looking at other efforts to get CMS to reconsider Transmittal 72.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

pager

" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is the

new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed practitioner

who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner must have

medical staff privileges to write orders for these services. Privileges must be

granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of practice law, as well

as with hospital policies and procedures governing rehabilitation services

developed by the medical staff and approved by the governing body. Practitioners

who may be granted privileges to order rehabilitation services include

physicians, and may also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to

Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the following

licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with

Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42

CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

pager

" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

__________________________________________________________

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for the individual(s) named.

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I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients and National APTA is working on

it

CMS issued Transmittal 72 (https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf)

on November 18, 2011 which includes interpretative guidelines for hospital

conditions of participation related to rehabilitation. This transmittal was

effective immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the Transmittal states

that rehab services must be orders by a qualified practitioner who is

responsible for the care of the patient and who has medical staff privileges to

write orders for these services. It then goes on to identify physicians, nurse

practitioners, clinical nurse specialists as qualified to write the orders.

These conditions of participation apply to both inpatient and outpatient

hospital settings and apply not only to Medicare beneficiaries but to all

patients who receive services in the hospital. APTA believes this interpretation

is inconsistent with current regulation. APTA has provided some information in

News Now at the following link.

http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to change this policy. CMS indicated

that they are working on a survey and certification memorandum that would

provide further clarification. APTA has also been communicating with the

American Hospital Association, AMRPA, American Occupational Therapy Association,

and American Speech Language Hearing Association about these interpretative

guidelines.

APTA sent the letter attached to this email to CMS on January 5, 2012. We are

looking at other efforts to get CMS to reconsider Transmittal 72.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

pager

" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is the

new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed practitioner

who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner must have

medical staff privileges to write orders for these services. Privileges must be

granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of practice law, as well

as with hospital policies and procedures governing rehabilitation services

developed by the medical staff and approved by the governing body. Practitioners

who may be granted privileges to order rehabilitation services include

physicians, and may also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to

Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the following

licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with

Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42

CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

pager

" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

__________________________________________________________

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My point was not whether this or that provider, or agency bureaucrat, or

inspector, or professional group might have interpreted that transmittal as

applying to outpatients. I was saying rather that the thinking behind it was

certainly (or we can only hope certainly) focused on the inpatient world. Is it

possible that we have slipped so far that an isolated clot of bureaucrats can,

with the mere stroke of a pen, create a " law " that significantly changes the

face of practice, and in the process abolishes countless other federal and state

" laws " ?

Really, if so, we have no hope. It is plainly our duty to ignore such

interpretations and rest instead on clear intent.

Dave Milano, PT

Director of Rehabilitation

Laurel Health System

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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:43 AM

To: PTManager

Subject: RE: outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients and National APTA is working on

it

CMS issued Transmittal 72 (https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf)

on November 18, 2011 which includes interpretative guidelines for hospital

conditions of participation related to rehabilitation. This transmittal was

effective immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the Transmittal states

that rehab services must be orders by a qualified practitioner who is

responsible for the care of the patient and who has medical staff privileges to

write orders for these services. It then goes on to identify physicians, nurse

practitioners, clinical nurse specialists as qualified to write the orders.

These conditions of participation apply to both inpatient and outpatient

hospital settings and apply not only to Medicare beneficiaries but to all

patients who receive services in the hospital. APTA believes this interpretation

is inconsistent with current regulation. APTA has provided some information in

News Now at the following link.

http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to change this policy. CMS indicated

that they are working on a survey and certification memorandum that would

provide further clarification. APTA has also been communicating with the

American Hospital Association, AMRPA, American Occupational Therapy Association,

and American Speech Language Hearing Association about these interpretative

guidelines.

APTA sent the letter attached to this email to CMS on January 5, 2012. We are

looking at other efforts to get CMS to reconsider Transmittal 72.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

pager

" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is the

new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed practitioner

who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner must have

medical staff privileges to write orders for these services. Privileges must be

granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of practice law, as well

as with hospital policies and procedures governing rehabilitation services

developed by the medical staff and approved by the governing body. Practitioners

who may be granted privileges to order rehabilitation services include

physicians, and may also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to

Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the following

licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with

Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42

CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

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My point was not whether this or that provider, or agency bureaucrat, or

inspector, or professional group might have interpreted that transmittal as

applying to outpatients. I was saying rather that the thinking behind it was

certainly (or we can only hope certainly) focused on the inpatient world. Is it

possible that we have slipped so far that an isolated clot of bureaucrats can,

with the mere stroke of a pen, create a " law " that significantly changes the

face of practice, and in the process abolishes countless other federal and state

" laws " ?

Really, if so, we have no hope. It is plainly our duty to ignore such

interpretations and rest instead on clear intent.

Dave Milano, PT

Director of Rehabilitation

Laurel Health System

________________________________________

From: PTManager [PTManager ] On Behalf Of

, [mitchellv@...]

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:43 AM

To: PTManager

Subject: RE: outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients and National APTA is working on

it

CMS issued Transmittal 72 (https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf)

on November 18, 2011 which includes interpretative guidelines for hospital

conditions of participation related to rehabilitation. This transmittal was

effective immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the Transmittal states

that rehab services must be orders by a qualified practitioner who is

responsible for the care of the patient and who has medical staff privileges to

write orders for these services. It then goes on to identify physicians, nurse

practitioners, clinical nurse specialists as qualified to write the orders.

These conditions of participation apply to both inpatient and outpatient

hospital settings and apply not only to Medicare beneficiaries but to all

patients who receive services in the hospital. APTA believes this interpretation

is inconsistent with current regulation. APTA has provided some information in

News Now at the following link.

http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to change this policy. CMS indicated

that they are working on a survey and certification memorandum that would

provide further clarification. APTA has also been communicating with the

American Hospital Association, AMRPA, American Occupational Therapy Association,

and American Speech Language Hearing Association about these interpretative

guidelines.

APTA sent the letter attached to this email to CMS on January 5, 2012. We are

looking at other efforts to get CMS to reconsider Transmittal 72.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

pager

" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is the

new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed practitioner

who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner must have

medical staff privileges to write orders for these services. Privileges must be

granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of practice law, as well

as with hospital policies and procedures governing rehabilitation services

developed by the medical staff and approved by the governing body. Practitioners

who may be granted privileges to order rehabilitation services include

physicians, and may also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to

Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the following

licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with

Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42

CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

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Great question! This is actively being addressed by the APTA. I think you are

referring to the Conditions of Participation and it came up during a Podcast

about Direct Access, however has far reaching ramifications other than the

direct access issue. There was a recent (November 2011) CMS interpretation of

the Final Rule 2010 that delt with this issue. Unfortunately the Interpretation

was vastly different than the final rule. The APTA has been dealing with this

and their statements are below. I believe that the Conditions of Participation

apply both to inpatients and outpatients as well as Medicare and Non-medicare.I

would agree it would change the way all Hospital outpatient departments function

and in my opinion is far more restrictive for both hospitals and for patient

access to healthcare than our current system. It would be reasonable (but

unfortunate for direct access) that this interperatation/guileline would apply

to inpatients only, but that is not the way that the Conditions of Participation

are applied. I am waiting for some guidelines/clarrification from APTA working

with Medicare. The APTA information is below and can be found at this link if

you are a member http://www.apta.org/Podcast/2011/12/22/ There is also

information in the APTA News Now tab

Direct Access in Hospitals: November 2011 CMS Interpretive Guidelines

This is White in APTA's Department of Practice. The purpose of this

podcast is to report on the

recent interpretive guidelines for hospitals released by the Centers for

Medicare and Medicaid Services

(CMS) on November 18, 2011.

In 2010, APTA was successful in persuading the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid

Services (CMS) to

change their interpretation of the Conditions of Participation rule to remove

the regulatory barrier and

allow direct access to be a reality in hospital based outpatient settings. This

2010 interpretation allows

physical therapists to be added to the list of providers authorized to order

rehabilitation services if this

practice is allowed by state law and hospital by-laws.

The new interpretive guidelines are in direct contradiction with the 2010 final

rule and specify that in

order to provide physical therapy in the hospital, there must be an order from a

physician (or Nurse

Practitioner, Physicians' Assistant or Clinical Nurse Specialist if allowed by

hospital policy). The

guidelines also state that the practitioner ordering rehabilitation services

must have medical staff

privileges at the hospital.

APTA is very concerned about the language in these guidelines both because of

the requirement for a

referral and because of the stipulation that the referring practitioner have

medical staff privileges at the

hospital. These two changes have significant implications for patients and for

physical therapists

practicing in these settings.

APTA is in communication with CMS regarding this matter and hopes to have the

issue resolved soon.

Additionally, we are asking members who may have relationships with hospital

administrators to ask

them to contact the American Hospital Association to bring this matter to their

attention.

These new CMS Interpretive Guidelines have been posted at

www.APTA.org/directaccess

Direct access to physical therapy is hospital based outpatient settings is

important both for patients and for

the physical therapy profession. We will keep you updated as we work to resolve

this issue. If you have

questions, contact nancywhite@....

[Contact: practice-dept@... | Last updated: 12/22/11]

Carl Grota, PT

Sturgeon Bay Wi

outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is the

new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed practitioner

who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner must have

medical staff privileges to write orders for these services. Privileges must be

granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of practice law, as well

as with hospital policies and procedures governing rehabilitation services

developed by the medical staff and approved by the governing body. Practitioners

who may be granted privileges to order rehabilitation services include

physicians, and may also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to

Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the following

licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with

Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42

CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

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Thank you Dave,

Maybe we have unconsciously accepted the premise that physical therapists

need a referral in order to practice their profession. This holds true in

hospitals, nursing homes, home health. Perhaps this is the time for the

profession to go on record that we are an autonomous profession.

Dick Hillyer

Hillyer, PT,DPT,MBA,MSM

Hillyer Consulting

Cape Coral, FL 33914

outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is

the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of

the hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language

and the link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within

his or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The

practitioner must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these

services. Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the State's

scope of practice law, as well as with hospital policies and procedures

governing rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff and

approved by the governing body. Practitioners who may be granted privileges

to order rehabilitation services include physicians, and may also, in

accordance with hospital policy, be extended to Nurse Practitioners,

Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as long as they meet

the parameters of this requirement. Although the following licensed

professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with Section

1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at

42 CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

phone

fax

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" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

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The time is ripe for the Direct Democracy.

Meli, DPT

Bayside, NY

Sent from my iPad

> My point was not whether this or that provider, or agency bureaucrat, or

inspector, or professional group might have interpreted that transmittal as

applying to outpatients. I was saying rather that the thinking behind it was

certainly (or we can only hope certainly) focused on the inpatient world. Is it

possible that we have slipped so far that an isolated clot of bureaucrats can,

with the mere stroke of a pen, create a " law " that significantly changes the

face of practice, and in the process abolishes countless other federal and state

" laws " ?

>

> Really, if so, we have no hope. It is plainly our duty to ignore such

interpretations and rest instead on clear intent.

>

> Dave Milano, PT

> Director of Rehabilitation

> Laurel Health System

> ________________________________________

> From: PTManager [PTManager ] On Behalf Of

, [mitchellv@...]

> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:43 AM

> To: PTManager

> Subject: RE: outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

>

> I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients and National APTA is working on

it

>

> CMS issued Transmittal 72

(https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf) on November 18, 2011

which includes interpretative guidelines for hospital conditions of

participation related to rehabilitation. This transmittal was effective

immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the Transmittal states that

rehab services must be orders by a qualified practitioner who is responsible for

the care of the patient and who has medical staff privileges to write orders for

these services. It then goes on to identify physicians, nurse practitioners,

clinical nurse specialists as qualified to write the orders. These conditions of

participation apply to both inpatient and outpatient hospital settings and apply

not only to Medicare beneficiaries but to all patients who receive services in

the hospital. APTA believes this interpretation is inconsistent with current

regulation. APTA has provided some information in News Now at the following

link. http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

>

> APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to change this policy. CMS

indicated that they are working on a survey and certification memorandum that

would provide further clarification. APTA has also been communicating with the

American Hospital Association, AMRPA, American Occupational Therapy Association,

and American Speech Language Hearing Association about these interpretative

guidelines.

>

> APTA sent the letter attached to this email to CMS on January 5, 2012. We are

looking at other efforts to get CMS to reconsider Transmittal 72.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> East Orange General Hospital

> phone

> fax

> pager

> " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

>

> outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

>

> Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is

the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

>

> http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

>

> §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

>

> Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

>

> Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

>

> Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner

must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these services.

Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of

practice law, as well as with hospital policies and procedures governing

rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff and approved by the

governing body. Practitioners who may be granted privileges to order

rehabilitation services include physicians, and may also, in accordance with

hospital policy, be extended to Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and

Clinical Nurse Specialists as long as they meet the parameters of this

requirement. Although the following licensed professionals are also considered

" practitioners " in accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security

Act, they generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the

patient or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered

nurse anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

(Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of

the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and

as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

>

> Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

>

> East Orange General Hospital

>

> phone

>

> fax

>

> pager

>

> " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

>

> __________________________________________________________

>

> IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential information and is intended only

for the individual(s) named.

>

> If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized (either explicitly

or implicitly) to disseminate,

>

> distribute or copy this e-mail in any manner whatsoever. Please notify the

sender immediately by e-mail if you

>

> received this e-mail in error and delete this e-mail from your system.

Unintended transmission shall not

>

> constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other applicable privilege.

E-mail transmission cannot be

>

> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted,

corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive

>

> late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept

liability for any errors or omissions

>

> in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail

transmission.

>

> This electronic message is intended only for the named recipient, and may

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intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,

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>

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The time is ripe for the Direct Democracy.

Meli, DPT

Bayside, NY

Sent from my iPad

> My point was not whether this or that provider, or agency bureaucrat, or

inspector, or professional group might have interpreted that transmittal as

applying to outpatients. I was saying rather that the thinking behind it was

certainly (or we can only hope certainly) focused on the inpatient world. Is it

possible that we have slipped so far that an isolated clot of bureaucrats can,

with the mere stroke of a pen, create a " law " that significantly changes the

face of practice, and in the process abolishes countless other federal and state

" laws " ?

>

> Really, if so, we have no hope. It is plainly our duty to ignore such

interpretations and rest instead on clear intent.

>

> Dave Milano, PT

> Director of Rehabilitation

> Laurel Health System

> ________________________________________

> From: PTManager [PTManager ] On Behalf Of

, [mitchellv@...]

> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:43 AM

> To: PTManager

> Subject: RE: outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

>

> I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients and National APTA is working on

it

>

> CMS issued Transmittal 72

(https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf) on November 18, 2011

which includes interpretative guidelines for hospital conditions of

participation related to rehabilitation. This transmittal was effective

immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the Transmittal states that

rehab services must be orders by a qualified practitioner who is responsible for

the care of the patient and who has medical staff privileges to write orders for

these services. It then goes on to identify physicians, nurse practitioners,

clinical nurse specialists as qualified to write the orders. These conditions of

participation apply to both inpatient and outpatient hospital settings and apply

not only to Medicare beneficiaries but to all patients who receive services in

the hospital. APTA believes this interpretation is inconsistent with current

regulation. APTA has provided some information in News Now at the following

link. http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

>

> APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to change this policy. CMS

indicated that they are working on a survey and certification memorandum that

would provide further clarification. APTA has also been communicating with the

American Hospital Association, AMRPA, American Occupational Therapy Association,

and American Speech Language Hearing Association about these interpretative

guidelines.

>

> APTA sent the letter attached to this email to CMS on January 5, 2012. We are

looking at other efforts to get CMS to reconsider Transmittal 72.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> East Orange General Hospital

> phone

> fax

> pager

> " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

>

> outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

>

> Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is

the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

>

> http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

>

> §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

>

> Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

>

> Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

>

> Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner

must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these services.

Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of

practice law, as well as with hospital policies and procedures governing

rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff and approved by the

governing body. Practitioners who may be granted privileges to order

rehabilitation services include physicians, and may also, in accordance with

hospital policy, be extended to Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and

Clinical Nurse Specialists as long as they meet the parameters of this

requirement. Although the following licensed professionals are also considered

" practitioners " in accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security

Act, they generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the

patient or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered

nurse anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

(Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of

the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and

as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

>

> Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

>

> East Orange General Hospital

>

> phone

>

> fax

>

> pager

>

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The time is ripe for the Direct Democracy.

Meli, DPT

Bayside, NY

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> My point was not whether this or that provider, or agency bureaucrat, or

inspector, or professional group might have interpreted that transmittal as

applying to outpatients. I was saying rather that the thinking behind it was

certainly (or we can only hope certainly) focused on the inpatient world. Is it

possible that we have slipped so far that an isolated clot of bureaucrats can,

with the mere stroke of a pen, create a " law " that significantly changes the

face of practice, and in the process abolishes countless other federal and state

" laws " ?

>

> Really, if so, we have no hope. It is plainly our duty to ignore such

interpretations and rest instead on clear intent.

>

> Dave Milano, PT

> Director of Rehabilitation

> Laurel Health System

> ________________________________________

> From: PTManager [PTManager ] On Behalf Of

, [mitchellv@...]

> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:43 AM

> To: PTManager

> Subject: RE: outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

>

> I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients and National APTA is working on

it

>

> CMS issued Transmittal 72

(https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf) on November 18, 2011

which includes interpretative guidelines for hospital conditions of

participation related to rehabilitation. This transmittal was effective

immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the Transmittal states that

rehab services must be orders by a qualified practitioner who is responsible for

the care of the patient and who has medical staff privileges to write orders for

these services. It then goes on to identify physicians, nurse practitioners,

clinical nurse specialists as qualified to write the orders. These conditions of

participation apply to both inpatient and outpatient hospital settings and apply

not only to Medicare beneficiaries but to all patients who receive services in

the hospital. APTA believes this interpretation is inconsistent with current

regulation. APTA has provided some information in News Now at the following

link. http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

>

> APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to change this policy. CMS

indicated that they are working on a survey and certification memorandum that

would provide further clarification. APTA has also been communicating with the

American Hospital Association, AMRPA, American Occupational Therapy Association,

and American Speech Language Hearing Association about these interpretative

guidelines.

>

> APTA sent the letter attached to this email to CMS on January 5, 2012. We are

looking at other efforts to get CMS to reconsider Transmittal 72.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> East Orange General Hospital

> phone

> fax

> pager

> " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

>

> outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

>

> Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is

the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

>

> http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

>

> §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

>

> Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

>

> Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

>

> Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner

must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these services.

Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of

practice law, as well as with hospital policies and procedures governing

rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff and approved by the

governing body. Practitioners who may be granted privileges to order

rehabilitation services include physicians, and may also, in accordance with

hospital policy, be extended to Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and

Clinical Nurse Specialists as long as they meet the parameters of this

requirement. Although the following licensed professionals are also considered

" practitioners " in accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security

Act, they generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the

patient or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered

nurse anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

(Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of

the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and

as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

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Do what I do advocate call your Congressman let them know how it affects

your practice.

Jeffery R. Weiss PT/ATC MS

Past PPTA Legislative Chair

> **

>

>

> Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how

> is the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff

> of the hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the

> language and the link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

>

> http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

>

> §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and

> licensed practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient,

> acting within his or her scope of practice under State law, and who is

> authorized by the hospital's medical staff to order the services in

> accordance with hospital policies and procedures and State laws.

> Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

> practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The

> practitioner must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these

> services. Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the

> State's scope of practice law, as well as with hospital policies and

> procedures governing rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff

> and approved by the governing body. Practitioners who may be granted

> privileges to order rehabilitation services include physicians, and may

> also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to Nurse

> Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

> long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the

> following licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in

> accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they

> generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the patient

> or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse

> anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

> (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section

> 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section

> 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered

> dietician or nutrition professional.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

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> East Orange General Hospital

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Do what I do advocate call your Congressman let them know how it affects

your practice.

Jeffery R. Weiss PT/ATC MS

Past PPTA Legislative Chair

> **

>

>

> Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how

> is the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff

> of the hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the

> language and the link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

>

> http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

>

> §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and

> licensed practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient,

> acting within his or her scope of practice under State law, and who is

> authorized by the hospital's medical staff to order the services in

> accordance with hospital policies and procedures and State laws.

> Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

> practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The

> practitioner must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these

> services. Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the

> State's scope of practice law, as well as with hospital policies and

> procedures governing rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff

> and approved by the governing body. Practitioners who may be granted

> privileges to order rehabilitation services include physicians, and may

> also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to Nurse

> Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

> long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the

> following licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in

> accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they

> generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the patient

> or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse

> anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

> (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section

> 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section

> 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered

> dietician or nutrition professional.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> East Orange General Hospital

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Well Dave, in view of the fact that the National Defense Authorization Act

s.1867 was recently passed in violation of Posse Commitatus and the 6th and

7th Amendments of the Constitution of the United States with nary a whisper

of protest from the American sheeple, I'd say the answer to your question is

yes.

The sad thing is that no matter what is done to stay in compliance with

whatever comes down the pike, the regulations and requirements will become

progressively more complex and onerous and the bar will be raised

progressively higher and higher until, at some point in the future, it will

become nigh on impossible to remain 100% in compliance with all the rules

and regulations laid down in the many tens of thousands of pages that no one

who is attempting to live a normal life can possibly have the time to read,

much less understand. At that point, enforcement can be used as a selective

tool to reward " friends " and punish " enemies " and cattle prong the herd it

wherever direction the controllers want it to go. If you don't think, this

can happen, think again. It's already happening with the SEC and the CFTC.

Welcome to regulatory capture in the corporatocracy.

, PT, OCS

outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is

the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of

the hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language

and the link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

§482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within

his or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The

practitioner must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these

services. Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the State's

scope of practice law, as well as with hospital policies and procedures

governing rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff and

approved by the governing body. Practitioners who may be granted privileges

to order rehabilitation services include physicians, and may also, in

accordance with hospital policy, be extended to Nurse Practitioners,

Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as long as they meet

the parameters of this requirement. Although the following licensed

professionals are also considered " practitioners " in accordance with Section

1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they generally would not be

considered responsible for the care of the patient or qualified to order

rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse anesthetist (Section

1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the

Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical

psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at

42 CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

L. , PT, DPT, MBA

Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

East Orange General Hospital

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fax

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Direct Democracy, as advocated by such people as Gerald Celente, sounds

wonderful. However, there's a problem with it. It's called mob rule. That's

why this nation was founded as a democratic republic. The problem is, the

sheeple who spend all their time watching Dancing With The Stars or Monday Night

Football and tracking every footstep of Kim Kardashian and the host of other

dysfunctional, narcissistic celebrities while being completely oblivious to the

reality of what is happening to their country can vote. And their votes carry

just as much weight as the well informed and aware citizens. And unfortunately,

the sheeple outnumber the informed and aware citizens. Hence our dilemma.

, PT, OCS

outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

>

> Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is

the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and the

link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

>

> http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

>

> §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

>

> Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

>

> Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

>

> Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner

must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these services.

Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of

practice law, as well as with hospital policies and procedures governing

rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff and approved by the

governing body. Practitioners who may be granted privileges to order

rehabilitation services include physicians, and may also, in accordance with

hospital policy, be extended to Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and

Clinical Nurse Specialists as long as they meet the parameters of this

requirement. Although the following licensed professionals are also considered

" practitioners " in accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security

Act, they generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the

patient or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered

nurse anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

(Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of

the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and

as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

>

> Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

>

> East Orange General Hospital

>

> phone

>

> fax

>

> pager

>

> " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

>

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*As a non-lawyer but someone that has referred to the Code of Federal

Regulations and Medicare Manuals religiously; I am going to try to be the

devils advocate that says perhaps we are all going too far in believing

that the new clarification for hospital therapy referrals has done anything

more but add clarity to inpatients treated within a hospital.*

*

*

*We must remember that Title 42 has numerous sections and each deal with

specific levels of care in more detail. So I will argue that the language

has not changed significantly in 482.56 and although the " clarification or

interpretation " has changed, as educated individuals we would use the entire

set of law to practice as we have always practiced. Here is the rationale:*

*

*

*Title 42 Part 424 are CONDITIONS for Medicare payment. These conditions

are broken down into 424.13 Requirements for INPATIENT SERVICES of

Hospitals and 424.24 Requirements for medical and other health services

furnished by providers UNDER MEDICARE PART B. *

*

*

*http://law.justia.com/cfr/title42/42-2.0.1.2.24.html#42:2.0.1.2.24.2.52.9*

*

*

" 424.24 (B) *General rule.* Medicare Part B pays for medical and other

health services furnished* by providers *(and not exempted under paragraph

(a) of this section) only if a physician certifies the content specified in

paragraph ©(1), ©(4) or (e)(1) of this section, as appropriate.

© *Outpatient physical therapy and speech-language pathology services*—(1)

*Content of certification.* (i) The individual needs, or needed, physical

therapy or speech pathology services.

(ii) The services were furnished while the individual *was under the care

of a *physician, nurse practitioner, clinical nurse specialist, or

physician assistant. "

*This then leads to 410.60 THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS for Part B participation*

*

*

*http://law.justia.com/cfr/title42/42-2.0.1.2.10.2.35.40.html*

*

*

42 C.F.R. § 410.60 Outpatient physical therapy services: Conditions.

Title 42 - Public Health

(a) *Basic rule.* Except as specified in paragraph (a)(3)(iii) of this

section, Medicare Part B pays for outpatient physical therapy services only

if they are furnished by an individual meeting the qualifications in §484.4

of this chapter for a physical therapist or by an appropriately supervised

physical therapist assistant* but only under the following conditions: *

(1) They are furnished to a beneficiary while he or she is under the care *of

a physician* who is a doctor of medicine, osteopathy, or podiatric medicine.

(2) They are furnished under a written plan of treatment that meets the

requirements of §410.61.

(3) They are furnished—

(i)* By a provider *as defined in §489.2 of this chapter, *or by others

under arrangements with, and under the supervision of, a provider;* or "

(ii) By, or under the direct supervision of *a physical therapist in

private practice* as described in paragraph © of this section; or

(iii) By, *or incident to the service of,* a physician, physician

assistant, clinical nurse specialist, or nurse practitioner when those

professionals may perform physical therapy services under State law. "

*These sections specific to Part B state by a provider or under

arrangements with a provider. No where in the Part B conditions do I see

limitations as described in 482.56 for inpatient hospital based service

clarifications. *

*It is my belief (although proven wrong before), that we must utilize the

entire CFR when defending our practices. Notice 410.60 states those are

CONDITIONS as well. I would say that since they are more specific to the

care we provide as Part B coverage criteria it is this section that defines

our ability to practice and bill for those services. These are the

conditions that would supersede those described for inpatients of an

inpatient hospital benefit.*

*Having no authority whatsoever to make any of these leaps of judgement. I

would welcome someone with a dual degree to either help alleviate the angst

around this new clarification and or help us to educate and support that

the CFR gives guidance in specificity at levels of care and that Part B

coverage guidelines would be one of those instances. We can all " chill' as

my children would advise!*

*

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>

>

> ,

> Direct Democracy, as advocated by such people as Gerald Celente, sounds

> wonderful. However, there's a problem with it. It's called mob rule. That's

> why this nation was founded as a democratic republic. The problem is, the

> sheeple who spend all their time watching Dancing With The Stars or Monday

> Night Football and tracking every footstep of Kim Kardashian and the host

> of other dysfunctional, narcissistic celebrities while being completely

> oblivious to the reality of what is happening to their country can vote.

> And their votes carry just as much weight as the well informed and aware

> citizens. And unfortunately, the sheeple outnumber the informed and aware

> citizens. Hence our dilemma.

>

>

> , PT, OCS

>

> outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

> >

> > Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients

> how is the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on

> staff of the hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied

> the language and the link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

> >

> > http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

> >

> > §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> >

> > Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and

> licensed practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient,

> acting within his or her scope of practice under State law, and who is

> authorized by the hospital's medical staff to order the services in

> accordance with hospital policies and procedures and State laws.

> >

> > Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> >

> > Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

> practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The

> practitioner must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these

> services. Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the

> State's scope of practice law, as well as with hospital policies and

> procedures governing rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff

> and approved by the governing body. Practitioners who may be granted

> privileges to order rehabilitation services include physicians, and may

> also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to Nurse

> Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

> long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the

> following licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in

> accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they

> generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the patient

> or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse

> anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

> (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section

> 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section

> 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered

> dietician or nutrition professional.

> >

> > L. , PT, DPT, MBA

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*As a non-lawyer but someone that has referred to the Code of Federal

Regulations and Medicare Manuals religiously; I am going to try to be the

devils advocate that says perhaps we are all going too far in believing

that the new clarification for hospital therapy referrals has done anything

more but add clarity to inpatients treated within a hospital.*

*

*

*We must remember that Title 42 has numerous sections and each deal with

specific levels of care in more detail. So I will argue that the language

has not changed significantly in 482.56 and although the " clarification or

interpretation " has changed, as educated individuals we would use the entire

set of law to practice as we have always practiced. Here is the rationale:*

*

*

*Title 42 Part 424 are CONDITIONS for Medicare payment. These conditions

are broken down into 424.13 Requirements for INPATIENT SERVICES of

Hospitals and 424.24 Requirements for medical and other health services

furnished by providers UNDER MEDICARE PART B. *

*

*

*http://law.justia.com/cfr/title42/42-2.0.1.2.24.html#42:2.0.1.2.24.2.52.9*

*

*

" 424.24 (B) *General rule.* Medicare Part B pays for medical and other

health services furnished* by providers *(and not exempted under paragraph

(a) of this section) only if a physician certifies the content specified in

paragraph ©(1), ©(4) or (e)(1) of this section, as appropriate.

© *Outpatient physical therapy and speech-language pathology services*—(1)

*Content of certification.* (i) The individual needs, or needed, physical

therapy or speech pathology services.

(ii) The services were furnished while the individual *was under the care

of a *physician, nurse practitioner, clinical nurse specialist, or

physician assistant. "

*This then leads to 410.60 THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS for Part B participation*

*

*

*http://law.justia.com/cfr/title42/42-2.0.1.2.10.2.35.40.html*

*

*

42 C.F.R. § 410.60 Outpatient physical therapy services: Conditions.

Title 42 - Public Health

(a) *Basic rule.* Except as specified in paragraph (a)(3)(iii) of this

section, Medicare Part B pays for outpatient physical therapy services only

if they are furnished by an individual meeting the qualifications in §484.4

of this chapter for a physical therapist or by an appropriately supervised

physical therapist assistant* but only under the following conditions: *

(1) They are furnished to a beneficiary while he or she is under the care *of

a physician* who is a doctor of medicine, osteopathy, or podiatric medicine.

(2) They are furnished under a written plan of treatment that meets the

requirements of §410.61.

(3) They are furnished—

(i)* By a provider *as defined in §489.2 of this chapter, *or by others

under arrangements with, and under the supervision of, a provider;* or "

(ii) By, or under the direct supervision of *a physical therapist in

private practice* as described in paragraph © of this section; or

(iii) By, *or incident to the service of,* a physician, physician

assistant, clinical nurse specialist, or nurse practitioner when those

professionals may perform physical therapy services under State law. "

*These sections specific to Part B state by a provider or under

arrangements with a provider. No where in the Part B conditions do I see

limitations as described in 482.56 for inpatient hospital based service

clarifications. *

*It is my belief (although proven wrong before), that we must utilize the

entire CFR when defending our practices. Notice 410.60 states those are

CONDITIONS as well. I would say that since they are more specific to the

care we provide as Part B coverage criteria it is this section that defines

our ability to practice and bill for those services. These are the

conditions that would supersede those described for inpatients of an

inpatient hospital benefit.*

*Having no authority whatsoever to make any of these leaps of judgement. I

would welcome someone with a dual degree to either help alleviate the angst

around this new clarification and or help us to educate and support that

the CFR gives guidance in specificity at levels of care and that Part B

coverage guidelines would be one of those instances. We can all " chill' as

my children would advise!*

*

*Darlene L. D'Altorio-,PT.,MBA-HCM

Strategist, Rehabilitation Management

CORE Results Group, MediServe

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>

>

> ,

> Direct Democracy, as advocated by such people as Gerald Celente, sounds

> wonderful. However, there's a problem with it. It's called mob rule. That's

> why this nation was founded as a democratic republic. The problem is, the

> sheeple who spend all their time watching Dancing With The Stars or Monday

> Night Football and tracking every footstep of Kim Kardashian and the host

> of other dysfunctional, narcissistic celebrities while being completely

> oblivious to the reality of what is happening to their country can vote.

> And their votes carry just as much weight as the well informed and aware

> citizens. And unfortunately, the sheeple outnumber the informed and aware

> citizens. Hence our dilemma.

>

>

> , PT, OCS

>

> outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

> >

> > Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients

> how is the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on

> staff of the hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied

> the language and the link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

> >

> > http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

> >

> > §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> >

> > Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and

> licensed practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient,

> acting within his or her scope of practice under State law, and who is

> authorized by the hospital's medical staff to order the services in

> accordance with hospital policies and procedures and State laws.

> >

> > Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> >

> > Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

> practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The

> practitioner must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these

> services. Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the

> State's scope of practice law, as well as with hospital policies and

> procedures governing rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff

> and approved by the governing body. Practitioners who may be granted

> privileges to order rehabilitation services include physicians, and may

> also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to Nurse

> Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

> long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the

> following licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in

> accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they

> generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the patient

> or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse

> anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

> (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section

> 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section

> 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered

> dietician or nutrition professional.

> >

> > L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> >

> > Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> >

> > East Orange General Hospital

> >

> > phone

> >

> > fax

> >

> > pager

> >

> > " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

> >

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*As a non-lawyer but someone that has referred to the Code of Federal

Regulations and Medicare Manuals religiously; I am going to try to be the

devils advocate that says perhaps we are all going too far in believing

that the new clarification for hospital therapy referrals has done anything

more but add clarity to inpatients treated within a hospital.*

*

*

*We must remember that Title 42 has numerous sections and each deal with

specific levels of care in more detail. So I will argue that the language

has not changed significantly in 482.56 and although the " clarification or

interpretation " has changed, as educated individuals we would use the entire

set of law to practice as we have always practiced. Here is the rationale:*

*

*

*Title 42 Part 424 are CONDITIONS for Medicare payment. These conditions

are broken down into 424.13 Requirements for INPATIENT SERVICES of

Hospitals and 424.24 Requirements for medical and other health services

furnished by providers UNDER MEDICARE PART B. *

*

*

*http://law.justia.com/cfr/title42/42-2.0.1.2.24.html#42:2.0.1.2.24.2.52.9*

*

*

" 424.24 (B) *General rule.* Medicare Part B pays for medical and other

health services furnished* by providers *(and not exempted under paragraph

(a) of this section) only if a physician certifies the content specified in

paragraph ©(1), ©(4) or (e)(1) of this section, as appropriate.

© *Outpatient physical therapy and speech-language pathology services*—(1)

*Content of certification.* (i) The individual needs, or needed, physical

therapy or speech pathology services.

(ii) The services were furnished while the individual *was under the care

of a *physician, nurse practitioner, clinical nurse specialist, or

physician assistant. "

*This then leads to 410.60 THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS for Part B participation*

*

*

*http://law.justia.com/cfr/title42/42-2.0.1.2.10.2.35.40.html*

*

*

42 C.F.R. § 410.60 Outpatient physical therapy services: Conditions.

Title 42 - Public Health

(a) *Basic rule.* Except as specified in paragraph (a)(3)(iii) of this

section, Medicare Part B pays for outpatient physical therapy services only

if they are furnished by an individual meeting the qualifications in §484.4

of this chapter for a physical therapist or by an appropriately supervised

physical therapist assistant* but only under the following conditions: *

(1) They are furnished to a beneficiary while he or she is under the care *of

a physician* who is a doctor of medicine, osteopathy, or podiatric medicine.

(2) They are furnished under a written plan of treatment that meets the

requirements of §410.61.

(3) They are furnished—

(i)* By a provider *as defined in §489.2 of this chapter, *or by others

under arrangements with, and under the supervision of, a provider;* or "

(ii) By, or under the direct supervision of *a physical therapist in

private practice* as described in paragraph © of this section; or

(iii) By, *or incident to the service of,* a physician, physician

assistant, clinical nurse specialist, or nurse practitioner when those

professionals may perform physical therapy services under State law. "

*These sections specific to Part B state by a provider or under

arrangements with a provider. No where in the Part B conditions do I see

limitations as described in 482.56 for inpatient hospital based service

clarifications. *

*It is my belief (although proven wrong before), that we must utilize the

entire CFR when defending our practices. Notice 410.60 states those are

CONDITIONS as well. I would say that since they are more specific to the

care we provide as Part B coverage criteria it is this section that defines

our ability to practice and bill for those services. These are the

conditions that would supersede those described for inpatients of an

inpatient hospital benefit.*

*Having no authority whatsoever to make any of these leaps of judgement. I

would welcome someone with a dual degree to either help alleviate the angst

around this new clarification and or help us to educate and support that

the CFR gives guidance in specificity at levels of care and that Part B

coverage guidelines would be one of those instances. We can all " chill' as

my children would advise!*

*

*Darlene L. D'Altorio-,PT.,MBA-HCM

Strategist, Rehabilitation Management

CORE Results Group, MediServe

Join Discussions: www.mediserve.com/blog

Office:

Mobile:

Fax :

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> **

>

>

> ,

> Direct Democracy, as advocated by such people as Gerald Celente, sounds

> wonderful. However, there's a problem with it. It's called mob rule. That's

> why this nation was founded as a democratic republic. The problem is, the

> sheeple who spend all their time watching Dancing With The Stars or Monday

> Night Football and tracking every footstep of Kim Kardashian and the host

> of other dysfunctional, narcissistic celebrities while being completely

> oblivious to the reality of what is happening to their country can vote.

> And their votes carry just as much weight as the well informed and aware

> citizens. And unfortunately, the sheeple outnumber the informed and aware

> citizens. Hence our dilemma.

>

>

> , PT, OCS

>

> outpatient referrals by nonstaff MDs

> >

> > Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients

> how is the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on

> staff of the hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied

> the language and the link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

> >

> > http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

> >

> > §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> >

> > Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and

> licensed practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient,

> acting within his or her scope of practice under State law, and who is

> authorized by the hospital's medical staff to order the services in

> accordance with hospital policies and procedures and State laws.

> >

> > Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> >

> > Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

> practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The

> practitioner must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these

> services. Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the

> State's scope of practice law, as well as with hospital policies and

> procedures governing rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff

> and approved by the governing body. Practitioners who may be granted

> privileges to order rehabilitation services include physicians, and may

> also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended to Nurse

> Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical Nurse Specialists as

> long as they meet the parameters of this requirement. Although the

> following licensed professionals are also considered " practitioners " in

> accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security Act, they

> generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the patient

> or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered nurse

> anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

> (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section

> 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section

> 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered

> dietician or nutrition professional.

> >

> > L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> >

> > Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> >

> > East Orange General Hospital

> >

> > phone

> >

> > fax

> >

> > pager

> >

> > " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

> >

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> >

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I believe your interpretation is right on and I agree with you. It is not only

ridiculous to require physicians to be on staff and have medical privileges to

write orders for outpatient therapy, it is also ridiculous to have to have

orders timed by the physician when they write them. Unfortunately, I have had

clients cited by the Joint Commission because their outpatient referrals for

therapy services were not timed by the referring physician. This is why we are

seeking clarification from CMS on several issues.

Rick Gawenda, PT

President

HPA

APTA

> >

> > > My point was not whether this or that provider,

> or agency bureaucrat, or

> > inspector, or professional group might have

> interpreted that transmittal as

> > applying to outpatients. I was saying rather that the

> thinking behind it

> > was certainly (or we can only hope certainly) focused

> on the inpatient

> > world. Is it possible that we have slipped so far that

> an isolated clot of

> > bureaucrats can, with the mere stroke of a pen, create

> a " law " that

> > significantly changes the face of practice, and in the

> process abolishes

> > countless other federal and state " laws " ?

> > >

> > > Really, if so, we have no hope. It is plainly our

> duty to ignore such

> > interpretations and rest instead on clear intent.

> > >

> > > Dave Milano, PT

> > > Director of Rehabilitation

> > > Laurel Health System

> > > ________________________________________

> > > From: PTManager

> [PTManager ]

> On Behalf

> > Of , [mitchellv@...]

> > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:43 AM

> > > To: PTManager

> > > Subject: RE: outpatient referrals by

> nonstaff MDs

> > >

> > > I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients

> and National APTA is

> > working on it

> > >

> > > CMS issued Transmittal 72 (

> > https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf)

> on November 18,

> > 2011 which includes interpretative guidelines for

> hospital conditions of

> > participation related to rehabilitation. This

> transmittal was effective

> > immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the

> Transmittal states that

> > rehab services must be orders by a qualified

> practitioner who is

> > responsible for the care of the patient and who has

> medical staff

> > privileges to write orders for these services. It then

> goes on to identify

> > physicians, nurse practitioners, clinical nurse

> specialists as qualified to

> > write the orders. These conditions of participation

> apply to both inpatient

> > and outpatient hospital settings and apply not only to

> Medicare

> > beneficiaries but to all patients who receive services

> in the hospital.

> > APTA believes this interpretation is inconsistent with

> current regulation.

> > APTA has provided some information in News Now at the

> following link.

> > http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

> > >

> > > APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to

> change this policy. CMS

> > indicated that they are working on a survey and

> certification memorandum

> > that would provide further clarification. APTA has

> also been communicating

> > with the American Hospital Association, AMRPA,

> American Occupational

> > Therapy Association, and American Speech Language

> Hearing Association about

> > these interpretative guidelines.

> > >

> > > APTA sent the letter attached to this email to

> CMS on January 5, 2012.

> > We are looking at other efforts to get CMS to

> reconsider Transmittal 72.

> > >

> > > L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> > > Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> > > East Orange General Hospital

> > > phone

> > > fax

> > > pager

> > > " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of

> cure. "

> > >

> > > outpatient referrals by

> nonstaff MDs

> > >

> > > Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals

> that see outpatients

> > how is the new CMS interpretations affecting you if

> the doctor is not on

> > staff of the hospital they can no longer refer to the

> hospital. I copied

> > the language and the link below it was effective

> November 18, 2011.

> > >

> > > http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

> > >

> > > §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> > >

> > > Services must only be provided under the orders

> of a qualified and

> > licensed practitioner who is responsible for the care

> of the patient,

> > acting within his or her scope of practice under State

> law, and who is

> > authorized by the hospital's medical staff to order

> the services in

> > accordance with hospital policies and procedures and

> State laws.

> > >

> > > Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> > >

> > > Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a

> qualified and licensed

> > practitioner who is responsible for the care of the

> patient. The

> > practitioner must have medical staff privileges to

> write orders for these

> > services. Privileges must be granted in a manner

> consistent with the

> > State's scope of practice law, as well as with

> hospital policies and

> > procedures governing rehabilitation services developed

> by the medical staff

> > and approved by the governing body. Practitioners who

> may be granted

> > privileges to order rehabilitation services include

> physicians, and may

> > also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended

> to Nurse

> > Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical

> Nurse Specialists as

> > long as they meet the parameters of this requirement.

> Although the

> > following licensed professionals are also considered

> " practitioners " in

> > accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social

> Security Act, they

> > generally would not be considered responsible for the

> care of the patient

> > or qualified to order rehabilitation services:

> Certified registered nurse

> > anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act);

> Certified nurse-midwife

> > (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social

> worker (Section

> > 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical psychologist (for

> purposes of Section

> > 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42 CFR 410.71);

> or registered

> > dietician or nutrition professional.

> > >

> > > L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> > >

> > > Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> > >

> > > East Orange General Hospital

> > >

> > > phone

> > >

> > > fax

> > >

> > > pager

> > >

> > > " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of

> cure. "

> > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________________

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I believe your interpretation is right on and I agree with you. It is not only

ridiculous to require physicians to be on staff and have medical privileges to

write orders for outpatient therapy, it is also ridiculous to have to have

orders timed by the physician when they write them. Unfortunately, I have had

clients cited by the Joint Commission because their outpatient referrals for

therapy services were not timed by the referring physician. This is why we are

seeking clarification from CMS on several issues.

Rick Gawenda, PT

President

HPA

APTA

> >

> > > My point was not whether this or that provider,

> or agency bureaucrat, or

> > inspector, or professional group might have

> interpreted that transmittal as

> > applying to outpatients. I was saying rather that the

> thinking behind it

> > was certainly (or we can only hope certainly) focused

> on the inpatient

> > world. Is it possible that we have slipped so far that

> an isolated clot of

> > bureaucrats can, with the mere stroke of a pen, create

> a " law " that

> > significantly changes the face of practice, and in the

> process abolishes

> > countless other federal and state " laws " ?

> > >

> > > Really, if so, we have no hope. It is plainly our

> duty to ignore such

> > interpretations and rest instead on clear intent.

> > >

> > > Dave Milano, PT

> > > Director of Rehabilitation

> > > Laurel Health System

> > > ________________________________________

> > > From: PTManager

> [PTManager ]

> On Behalf

> > Of , [mitchellv@...]

> > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:43 AM

> > > To: PTManager

> > > Subject: RE: outpatient referrals by

> nonstaff MDs

> > >

> > > I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients

> and National APTA is

> > working on it

> > >

> > > CMS issued Transmittal 72 (

> > https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf)

> on November 18,

> > 2011 which includes interpretative guidelines for

> hospital conditions of

> > participation related to rehabilitation. This

> transmittal was effective

> > immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the

> Transmittal states that

> > rehab services must be orders by a qualified

> practitioner who is

> > responsible for the care of the patient and who has

> medical staff

> > privileges to write orders for these services. It then

> goes on to identify

> > physicians, nurse practitioners, clinical nurse

> specialists as qualified to

> > write the orders. These conditions of participation

> apply to both inpatient

> > and outpatient hospital settings and apply not only to

> Medicare

> > beneficiaries but to all patients who receive services

> in the hospital.

> > APTA believes this interpretation is inconsistent with

> current regulation.

> > APTA has provided some information in News Now at the

> following link.

> > http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

> > >

> > > APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to

> change this policy. CMS

> > indicated that they are working on a survey and

> certification memorandum

> > that would provide further clarification. APTA has

> also been communicating

> > with the American Hospital Association, AMRPA,

> American Occupational

> > Therapy Association, and American Speech Language

> Hearing Association about

> > these interpretative guidelines.

> > >

> > > APTA sent the letter attached to this email to

> CMS on January 5, 2012.

> > We are looking at other efforts to get CMS to

> reconsider Transmittal 72.

> > >

> > > L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> > > Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> > > East Orange General Hospital

> > > phone

> > > fax

> > > pager

> > > " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of

> cure. "

> > >

> > > outpatient referrals by

> nonstaff MDs

> > >

> > > Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals

> that see outpatients

> > how is the new CMS interpretations affecting you if

> the doctor is not on

> > staff of the hospital they can no longer refer to the

> hospital. I copied

> > the language and the link below it was effective

> November 18, 2011.

> > >

> > > http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

> > >

> > > §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> > >

> > > Services must only be provided under the orders

> of a qualified and

> > licensed practitioner who is responsible for the care

> of the patient,

> > acting within his or her scope of practice under State

> law, and who is

> > authorized by the hospital's medical staff to order

> the services in

> > accordance with hospital policies and procedures and

> State laws.

> > >

> > > Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> > >

> > > Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a

> qualified and licensed

> > practitioner who is responsible for the care of the

> patient. The

> > practitioner must have medical staff privileges to

> write orders for these

> > services. Privileges must be granted in a manner

> consistent with the

> > State's scope of practice law, as well as with

> hospital policies and

> > procedures governing rehabilitation services developed

> by the medical staff

> > and approved by the governing body. Practitioners who

> may be granted

> > privileges to order rehabilitation services include

> physicians, and may

> > also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended

> to Nurse

> > Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical

> Nurse Specialists as

> > long as they meet the parameters of this requirement.

> Although the

> > following licensed professionals are also considered

> " practitioners " in

> > accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social

> Security Act, they

> > generally would not be considered responsible for the

> care of the patient

> > or qualified to order rehabilitation services:

> Certified registered nurse

> > anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act);

> Certified nurse-midwife

> > (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social

> worker (Section

> > 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical psychologist (for

> purposes of Section

> > 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42 CFR 410.71);

> or registered

> > dietician or nutrition professional.

> > >

> > > L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> > >

> > > Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> > >

> > > East Orange General Hospital

> > >

> > > phone

> > >

> > > fax

> > >

> > > pager

> > >

> > > " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of

> cure. "

> > >

> > >

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I believe your interpretation is right on and I agree with you. It is not only

ridiculous to require physicians to be on staff and have medical privileges to

write orders for outpatient therapy, it is also ridiculous to have to have

orders timed by the physician when they write them. Unfortunately, I have had

clients cited by the Joint Commission because their outpatient referrals for

therapy services were not timed by the referring physician. This is why we are

seeking clarification from CMS on several issues.

Rick Gawenda, PT

President

HPA

APTA

> >

> > > My point was not whether this or that provider,

> or agency bureaucrat, or

> > inspector, or professional group might have

> interpreted that transmittal as

> > applying to outpatients. I was saying rather that the

> thinking behind it

> > was certainly (or we can only hope certainly) focused

> on the inpatient

> > world. Is it possible that we have slipped so far that

> an isolated clot of

> > bureaucrats can, with the mere stroke of a pen, create

> a " law " that

> > significantly changes the face of practice, and in the

> process abolishes

> > countless other federal and state " laws " ?

> > >

> > > Really, if so, we have no hope. It is plainly our

> duty to ignore such

> > interpretations and rest instead on clear intent.

> > >

> > > Dave Milano, PT

> > > Director of Rehabilitation

> > > Laurel Health System

> > > ________________________________________

> > > From: PTManager

> [PTManager ]

> On Behalf

> > Of , [mitchellv@...]

> > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:43 AM

> > > To: PTManager

> > > Subject: RE: outpatient referrals by

> nonstaff MDs

> > >

> > > I applies to outpatients as well as inpatients

> and National APTA is

> > working on it

> > >

> > > CMS issued Transmittal 72 (

> > https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72GI.pdf)

> on November 18,

> > 2011 which includes interpretative guidelines for

> hospital conditions of

> > participation related to rehabilitation. This

> transmittal was effective

> > immediately on November 18, 2011The language in the

> Transmittal states that

> > rehab services must be orders by a qualified

> practitioner who is

> > responsible for the care of the patient and who has

> medical staff

> > privileges to write orders for these services. It then

> goes on to identify

> > physicians, nurse practitioners, clinical nurse

> specialists as qualified to

> > write the orders. These conditions of participation

> apply to both inpatient

> > and outpatient hospital settings and apply not only to

> Medicare

> > beneficiaries but to all patients who receive services

> in the hospital.

> > APTA believes this interpretation is inconsistent with

> current regulation.

> > APTA has provided some information in News Now at the

> following link.

> > http://www.apta.org/PTinMotion/NewsNow/2012/1/4/CMSGuidelines/

> > >

> > > APTA is working diligently to convince CMS to

> change this policy. CMS

> > indicated that they are working on a survey and

> certification memorandum

> > that would provide further clarification. APTA has

> also been communicating

> > with the American Hospital Association, AMRPA,

> American Occupational

> > Therapy Association, and American Speech Language

> Hearing Association about

> > these interpretative guidelines.

> > >

> > > APTA sent the letter attached to this email to

> CMS on January 5, 2012.

> > We are looking at other efforts to get CMS to

> reconsider Transmittal 72.

> > >

> > > L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> > > Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> > > East Orange General Hospital

> > > phone

> > > fax

> > > pager

> > > " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of

> cure. "

> > >

> > > outpatient referrals by

> nonstaff MDs

> > >

> > > Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals

> that see outpatients

> > how is the new CMS interpretations affecting you if

> the doctor is not on

> > staff of the hospital they can no longer refer to the

> hospital. I copied

> > the language and the link below it was effective

> November 18, 2011.

> > >

> > > http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

> > >

> > > §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> > >

> > > Services must only be provided under the orders

> of a qualified and

> > licensed practitioner who is responsible for the care

> of the patient,

> > acting within his or her scope of practice under State

> law, and who is

> > authorized by the hospital's medical staff to order

> the services in

> > accordance with hospital policies and procedures and

> State laws.

> > >

> > > Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> > >

> > > Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a

> qualified and licensed

> > practitioner who is responsible for the care of the

> patient. The

> > practitioner must have medical staff privileges to

> write orders for these

> > services. Privileges must be granted in a manner

> consistent with the

> > State's scope of practice law, as well as with

> hospital policies and

> > procedures governing rehabilitation services developed

> by the medical staff

> > and approved by the governing body. Practitioners who

> may be granted

> > privileges to order rehabilitation services include

> physicians, and may

> > also, in accordance with hospital policy, be extended

> to Nurse

> > Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and Clinical

> Nurse Specialists as

> > long as they meet the parameters of this requirement.

> Although the

> > following licensed professionals are also considered

> " practitioners " in

> > accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social

> Security Act, they

> > generally would not be considered responsible for the

> care of the patient

> > or qualified to order rehabilitation services:

> Certified registered nurse

> > anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act);

> Certified nurse-midwife

> > (Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social

> worker (Section

> > 1861(hh)(1) of the Act); Clinical psychologist (for

> purposes of Section

> > 1861(ii) of the Act and as defined at 42 CFR 410.71);

> or registered

> > dietician or nutrition professional.

> > >

> > > L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> > >

> > > Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> > >

> > > East Orange General Hospital

> > >

> > > phone

> > >

> > > fax

> > >

> > > pager

> > >

> > > " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of

> cure. "

> > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________________

> > >

> > > IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential

> information and is

> > intended only for the individual(s) named.

> > >

> > > If you are not the named addressee, you are not

> authorized (either

> > explicitly or implicitly) to disseminate,

> > >

> > > distribute or copy this e-mail in any manner

> whatsoever. Please notify

> > the sender immediately by e-mail if you

> > >

> > > received this e-mail in error and delete this

> e-mail from your system.

> > Unintended transmission shall not

> > >

> > > constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any

> other applicable

> > privilege. E-mail transmission cannot be

> > >

> > > guaranteed to be secure or error-free as

> information could be

> > intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive

> > >

> > > late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The

> sender therefore does not

> > accept liability for any errors or omissions

> > >

> > > in the contents of this message, which arise as a

> result of e-mail

> > transmission.

> > >

> > > This electronic message is intended only for the

> named recipient, and

> > may contain information that is confidential or

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> > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that

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> or are not the named

> > recipient, please notify us immediately by contacting

> the sender at the

> > electronic mail address noted above, and delete and

> destroy all copies of

> > this message.

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify

> yourself, your discipline

> > and your location or else your message will not be

> approved to send to the

> > full group.

> > >

> > > Physician Self Referal/Referral for Profit

> {POPTS} is a serious threat

> > to our professions. PTManager is not available to

> support POPTS-model

> > practices. The description of PTManager group includes

> the following:

> > > " PTManager believes in and supports

> Therapist-owned Therapy Practices

> > ONLY "

> > > Messages relating to " how to set up a POPTS " will

> not be approved

> > >

> > > PTManager encourages participation in your

> professional association.

> > Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now!

> > >

> > > Follow Kovacek, PT on Facebook or Twitter.

> > > PTManager blog: http://ptmanager.posterous.com/

> > >

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Historically, hospital systems like to keep the gravy train going within their

own system. From acute care to rehab to home health to outpatient services, the

unwritten rule is to keep the patient within the hospital system, not for

continuity of care as much as increased profits.

Hospital systems are jumping on the ACO bandwagon and are buying out physician

practices within surrounding communities.

Generally speaking, hospital systems do have outpatient physical therapy

satellites in communities. This means there isn't inconvenience to patients in

various communities surrounding the large hospital headquarters.

Reality... hospital systems have physicians who use hospital referral pads when

making referrals. People who have this piece of paper in their hot little hands

contact or choose from services on that sheet of paper. The choices on that

sheet of paper only direct the hospital patients to hospital locations for

services. It is completely unheard of for a hospital system to provide options

outside of the system. It is also unheard of for that piece of paper to

communicate freedom of choice for services.

Hospital systems have monopolized this way for years without divulging facts &

the freedom of choice to patients within their system. Hospital systems have a

very large chunk of a population in any area who utilize services. Hospital

systems monitor referral patterns. Private practices and freedom of choice have

been ignored for years on this particular topic.

I'm not for more and more regulations. I think it creates increased cost to

verify medical staff privileges. Does this truly limit freedom of choice? Not

completely. Remember, patients have the freedom to choose and that freedom isn't

captured by any hospital system anyways because full disclosure doesn't occur in

the real world. It forces hospital systems to grant every physician within their

system medical staff privileges. Remember, the unwritten rule is to refer within

the system.

The only logical way to determine departmental impact of this - because really,

you are all talking money and the loss of revenue - is to dig into your

databases and analyze your top 25 referral sources. How many of those referral

sources are not already within the hospital system? And... from that, how many

of those currently within the hospital system do not have medical staff

privileges?

To understand the full " effect " of this, what's the data indicate?

And, for those of you in private practice. Now would be a nice time to question

your top referral sources and learn who has privileges where. You can educate

them on their options for where to refer for physical therapy services based on

this new regulation. If you happen to have referral sources without privileges

and you just happen to compete with a hospital system - especially a hospital

system that isn't a team player in the community, you could share a referral

source NPI number and contact your Medicare payer questioning if they have paid

for services at the hospital site.

Selena Horner, PT

ton, MI

>

> Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is

the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and

the link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

>

> http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

>

> §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

> Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner

must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these services.

Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of

practice law, as well as with hospital policies and procedures governing

rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff and approved by the

governing body. Practitioners who may be granted privileges to order

rehabilitation services include physicians, and may also, in accordance with

hospital policy, be extended to Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and

Clinical Nurse Specialists as long as they meet the parameters of this

requirement. Although the following licensed professionals are also considered

" practitioners " in accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security

Act, they generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the

patient or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered

nurse anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

(Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of

the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and

as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> East Orange General Hospital

> phone

> fax

> pager

> " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________________\

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only for the individual(s) named.

> If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized (either explicitly

or implicitly) to disseminate,

> distribute or copy this e-mail in any manner whatsoever. Please notify the

sender immediately by e-mail if you

> received this e-mail in error and delete this e-mail from your system.

Unintended transmission shall not

> constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other applicable privilege.

E-mail transmission cannot be

> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted,

corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive

> late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept

liability for any errors or omissions

> in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail

transmission.

>

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Historically, hospital systems like to keep the gravy train going within their

own system. From acute care to rehab to home health to outpatient services, the

unwritten rule is to keep the patient within the hospital system, not for

continuity of care as much as increased profits.

Hospital systems are jumping on the ACO bandwagon and are buying out physician

practices within surrounding communities.

Generally speaking, hospital systems do have outpatient physical therapy

satellites in communities. This means there isn't inconvenience to patients in

various communities surrounding the large hospital headquarters.

Reality... hospital systems have physicians who use hospital referral pads when

making referrals. People who have this piece of paper in their hot little hands

contact or choose from services on that sheet of paper. The choices on that

sheet of paper only direct the hospital patients to hospital locations for

services. It is completely unheard of for a hospital system to provide options

outside of the system. It is also unheard of for that piece of paper to

communicate freedom of choice for services.

Hospital systems have monopolized this way for years without divulging facts &

the freedom of choice to patients within their system. Hospital systems have a

very large chunk of a population in any area who utilize services. Hospital

systems monitor referral patterns. Private practices and freedom of choice have

been ignored for years on this particular topic.

I'm not for more and more regulations. I think it creates increased cost to

verify medical staff privileges. Does this truly limit freedom of choice? Not

completely. Remember, patients have the freedom to choose and that freedom isn't

captured by any hospital system anyways because full disclosure doesn't occur in

the real world. It forces hospital systems to grant every physician within their

system medical staff privileges. Remember, the unwritten rule is to refer within

the system.

The only logical way to determine departmental impact of this - because really,

you are all talking money and the loss of revenue - is to dig into your

databases and analyze your top 25 referral sources. How many of those referral

sources are not already within the hospital system? And... from that, how many

of those currently within the hospital system do not have medical staff

privileges?

To understand the full " effect " of this, what's the data indicate?

And, for those of you in private practice. Now would be a nice time to question

your top referral sources and learn who has privileges where. You can educate

them on their options for where to refer for physical therapy services based on

this new regulation. If you happen to have referral sources without privileges

and you just happen to compete with a hospital system - especially a hospital

system that isn't a team player in the community, you could share a referral

source NPI number and contact your Medicare payer questioning if they have paid

for services at the hospital site.

Selena Horner, PT

ton, MI

>

> Good afternoon for those practicing in hospitals that see outpatients how is

the new CMS interpretations affecting you if the doctor is not on staff of the

hospital they can no longer refer to the hospital. I copied the language and

the link below it was effective November 18, 2011.

>

> http://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R72SOM.pdf

>

> §482.56(B) Standard: Delivery of Services

> Services must only be provided under the orders of a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient, acting within his

or her scope of practice under State law, and who is authorized by the

hospital's medical staff to order the services in accordance with hospital

policies and procedures and State laws.

> Interpretive Guidelines §482.56(B)

> Rehabilitation services must be ordered by a qualified and licensed

practitioner who is responsible for the care of the patient. The practitioner

must have medical staff privileges to write orders for these services.

Privileges must be granted in a manner consistent with the State's scope of

practice law, as well as with hospital policies and procedures governing

rehabilitation services developed by the medical staff and approved by the

governing body. Practitioners who may be granted privileges to order

rehabilitation services include physicians, and may also, in accordance with

hospital policy, be extended to Nurse Practitioners, Physicians' Assistants, and

Clinical Nurse Specialists as long as they meet the parameters of this

requirement. Although the following licensed professionals are also considered

" practitioners " in accordance with Section 1842(B)(18)© of the Social Security

Act, they generally would not be considered responsible for the care of the

patient or qualified to order rehabilitation services: Certified registered

nurse anesthetist (Section 1861(bb)(2) of the Act); Certified nurse-midwife

(Section 1861(gg)(2) of the Act); Clinical social worker (Section 1861(hh)(1) of

the Act); Clinical psychologist (for purposes of Section 1861(ii) of the Act and

as defined at 42 CFR 410.71); or registered dietician or nutrition professional.

>

> L. , PT, DPT, MBA

> Director, Physical Rehabilitation Services

> East Orange General Hospital

> phone

> fax

> pager

> " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________________\

________________

> IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential information and is intended

only for the individual(s) named.

> If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized (either explicitly

or implicitly) to disseminate,

> distribute or copy this e-mail in any manner whatsoever. Please notify the

sender immediately by e-mail if you

> received this e-mail in error and delete this e-mail from your system.

Unintended transmission shall not

> constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other applicable privilege.

E-mail transmission cannot be

> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted,

corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive

> late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept

liability for any errors or omissions

> in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail

transmission.

>

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