Re: Chiropractors misrepresenting

January 29, 2012

, did you check with your state board? They are the ones who determine the

protection of professional titles in a state.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

Director, Rehab Services

Trinitas Regional Medical Center

, NJ

Chiropractors misrepresenting

Can anyone advise on the most efficient way to report misrepresentation of

chiropractors. The only success I've had in the past was through the APTA, but

they seemed to do it as a favor. They referred me to the Florida board, or CMS

and Im often told I must be an employee of the place or a patient to report

them. I have requested that this chiropractor office remove physical therapy

from the advertising on the web and the building but anticipate being ignored.

http://lakelandasc.com/custom_content/c_115158_physical_therapy.html

I'm very fed up with chiropractic offices using personal trainers and

chiropractic assistants to exercise their clients and call it physical therapy.

PT's need to be advocates, you could get online and pull up chiro offices in

minutes that have physical therapy advertised. Its everywhere. Sometimes we

focus on the bigger battles like reimbursement, and forget about other things

that pose a threat. Chiro's not only are misrepresenting themselves with this

practice, but misrepresent our profession, with dramatically lower skill sets -

trainers and chiro assistants.

Bisesi MPT

Winter Haven, FL

January 29, 2012

, did you check with your state board? They are the ones who determine the

protection of professional titles in a state.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

Director, Rehab Services

Trinitas Regional Medical Center

, NJ

Chiropractors misrepresenting

Can anyone advise on the most efficient way to report misrepresentation of

chiropractors. The only success I've had in the past was through the APTA, but

they seemed to do it as a favor. They referred me to the Florida board, or CMS

and Im often told I must be an employee of the place or a patient to report

them. I have requested that this chiropractor office remove physical therapy

from the advertising on the web and the building but anticipate being ignored.

http://lakelandasc.com/custom_content/c_115158_physical_therapy.html

I'm very fed up with chiropractic offices using personal trainers and

chiropractic assistants to exercise their clients and call it physical therapy.

PT's need to be advocates, you could get online and pull up chiro offices in

minutes that have physical therapy advertised. Its everywhere. Sometimes we

focus on the bigger battles like reimbursement, and forget about other things

that pose a threat. Chiro's not only are misrepresenting themselves with this

practice, but misrepresent our profession, with dramatically lower skill sets -

trainers and chiro assistants.

Bisesi MPT

Winter Haven, FL

January 29, 2012

, did you check with your state board? They are the ones who determine the

protection of professional titles in a state.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

Director, Rehab Services

Trinitas Regional Medical Center

, NJ

Chiropractors misrepresenting

Can anyone advise on the most efficient way to report misrepresentation of

chiropractors. The only success I've had in the past was through the APTA, but

they seemed to do it as a favor. They referred me to the Florida board, or CMS

and Im often told I must be an employee of the place or a patient to report

them. I have requested that this chiropractor office remove physical therapy

from the advertising on the web and the building but anticipate being ignored.

http://lakelandasc.com/custom_content/c_115158_physical_therapy.html

I'm very fed up with chiropractic offices using personal trainers and

chiropractic assistants to exercise their clients and call it physical therapy.

PT's need to be advocates, you could get online and pull up chiro offices in

minutes that have physical therapy advertised. Its everywhere. Sometimes we

focus on the bigger battles like reimbursement, and forget about other things

that pose a threat. Chiro's not only are misrepresenting themselves with this

practice, but misrepresent our profession, with dramatically lower skill sets -

trainers and chiro assistants.

Bisesi MPT

Winter Haven, FL

January 29, 2012

Yes. All suffixes - PT, MPT, DPT are protected, as is physical therapy and

physiotherapy.

Bisesi MPT

Winter Haven FL

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>, did you check with your state board? They are the ones who determine the

protection of professional titles in a state.

>

>Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

>Director, Rehab Services

>Trinitas Regional Medical Center

>, NJ

>

> Chiropractors misrepresenting

>

>Can anyone advise on the most efficient way to report misrepresentation of

>chiropractors. The only success I've had in the past was through the APTA, but

>they seemed to do it as a favor. They referred me to the Florida board, or CMS

>and Im often told I must be an employee of the place or a patient to report

>them. I have requested that this chiropractor office remove physical therapy

>from the advertising on the web and the building but anticipate being ignored.

>http://lakelandasc.com/custom_content/c_115158_physical_therapy.html

>I'm very fed up with chiropractic offices using personal trainers and

>chiropractic assistants to exercise their clients and call it physical therapy.

>PT's need to be advocates, you could get online and pull up chiro offices in

>minutes that have physical therapy advertised. Its everywhere. Sometimes we

>focus on the bigger battles like reimbursement, and forget about other things

>that pose a threat. Chiro's not only are misrepresenting themselves with this

>practice, but misrepresent our profession, with dramatically lower skill sets -

>trainers and chiro assistants.

>

> Bisesi MPT

>Winter Haven, FL

>

January 29, 2012

Yes. All suffixes - PT, MPT, DPT are protected, as is physical therapy and

physiotherapy.

Bisesi MPT

Winter Haven FL

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>, did you check with your state board? They are the ones who determine the

protection of professional titles in a state.

>

>Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

>Director, Rehab Services

>Trinitas Regional Medical Center

>, NJ

>

> Chiropractors misrepresenting

>

>Can anyone advise on the most efficient way to report misrepresentation of

>chiropractors. The only success I've had in the past was through the APTA, but

>they seemed to do it as a favor. They referred me to the Florida board, or CMS

>and Im often told I must be an employee of the place or a patient to report

>them. I have requested that this chiropractor office remove physical therapy

>from the advertising on the web and the building but anticipate being ignored.

>http://lakelandasc.com/custom_content/c_115158_physical_therapy.html

>I'm very fed up with chiropractic offices using personal trainers and

>chiropractic assistants to exercise their clients and call it physical therapy.

>PT's need to be advocates, you could get online and pull up chiro offices in

>minutes that have physical therapy advertised. Its everywhere. Sometimes we

>focus on the bigger battles like reimbursement, and forget about other things

>that pose a threat. Chiro's not only are misrepresenting themselves with this

>practice, but misrepresent our profession, with dramatically lower skill sets -

>trainers and chiro assistants.

>

> Bisesi MPT

>Winter Haven, FL

>

January 29, 2012

To all,

It is a reflection of our profession and lack actual skill set needed to please

the consumer that is going to be the bigger picture for PT. The PAYOR is going

to be very upset and question the skill set of the PROVIDER if things go awful

or the PAYORS objectives are not achieved.

People want results and when hard earned cash is laid out they wont return if

their objectives are not met. And if damages are incurred than they take serious

action.

For example, a recent woman in FL was proclaiming to be a cosmetic surgeon and

was implanting actual cement and other strange substances into the bodies of

women. After injuring these unfortunate consumers of fraud did they protest to

the State.

My point......

Often times what we as Physical Therapists do, an Athletic trainer, Personal

Trainer and Chiro assistant or even a PT aid can provide beneficially to the

consumer. It is a sad state of affairs that truly threatens our profession. We

need to become better at separating ourselves as Skilled Clinicians and not just

some group exercise leader, theraband utilizer or straight leg raise teacher.

We need to better diagnose, refer within our group to better experts (ie, GCS or

hand specialists, OCS, CCS, NCS) and speak professionally about scientific

evidence based means to and end. No more jumping on the band wagon of hip terms

like " core " training or Pilates. Anyone can teach those and call them just

that. We are the movement specialists. We should be choosing and prescribing

the exact specific techniques to use and be better explaining it and dispelling

myths.

Who ever is paying for the care, ultimately decides what they are paying for and

who will provide it. If the consumer is choosing chiros, and trainers of

PT.......ummmm something is wrong with our collective group and we DONT need

some regulatory commission to protect us artificially.

my 2cents

Dan Huddart PT GCS

>

> , did you check with your state board? They are the ones who determine

the protection of professional titles in a state.

>

> Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

> Director, Rehab Services

> Trinitas Regional Medical Center

> , NJ

>

> Chiropractors misrepresenting

>

> Can anyone advise on the most efficient way to report misrepresentation of

> chiropractors. The only success I've had in the past was through the APTA, but

> they seemed to do it as a favor. They referred me to the Florida board, or CMS

> and Im often told I must be an employee of the place or a patient to report

> them. I have requested that this chiropractor office remove physical therapy

> from the advertising on the web and the building but anticipate being ignored.

> http://lakelandasc.com/custom_content/c_115158_physical_therapy.html

> I'm very fed up with chiropractic offices using personal trainers and

> chiropractic assistants to exercise their clients and call it physical

therapy.

> PT's need to be advocates, you could get online and pull up chiro offices in

> minutes that have physical therapy advertised. Its everywhere. Sometimes we

> focus on the bigger battles like reimbursement, and forget about other things

> that pose a threat. Chiro's not only are misrepresenting themselves with this

> practice, but misrepresent our profession, with dramatically lower skill sets

-

> trainers and chiro assistants.

>

> Bisesi MPT

> Winter Haven, FL

>

January 30, 2012

,

There has been a long standing battle in Arkansas between physical

therapists and chiropractors. It came to a head several years ago with the

Arkansas Board of Chiropractic Examiners versus Teston, PT. You may

have heard about this. At that time, we were forced to take action to keep

physical therapists from being brought before their board again in the

future and we passed a bill that we call the Healing Arts Bill. This bill

required that complaints against a licensee of a healing arts board must be

filed with the board governing that licensee. This has made life a little

better but one of my many jobs with Rehab Net of AR is the monitoring of

non-physical therapists in this state advertising in any way shape or form

that they offer physical therapy. One problem we still have in Arkansas is

that the term physiotherapy is not a protected term. Our practice act

covers physical therapy, physical therapists, physiotherapists, physical

therapist assistant, PT, MPT, LPT etc, but because the term physiotherapy is

not listed the chiropractic board will allow them to use this term in

advertising.

I continue to monitor advertising on the web, in print publications, TV

advertising and radio advertising for the protected terminology. In 2011, I

successfully got the AR Board of Chiropractic Examiners to fine a

chiropractor for listing his clinic under physical therapy in the phone

book. I have since contacted a couple of chiropractors who I found

advertising physical therapy on the web and educating them about the

protected terms and both that I contacted immediately corrected the matter.

It probably did not hurt that I mentioned the fining of a doctor by their

board.

The first thing to do in fighting a battle like this is know what the

protected terms are in your practice act. Educate people and have a go to

person that can file these complaints. The problem I have run into is a

chiropractor or his staff telling someone they are receiving physical

therapy. Your reporting this to the Board is hear say so it is not likely

to get you anywhere. You will then need the patient to file the complaint

or you will need to call the office and ask to speak with their physical

therapist or ask if they provide physical therapy. Document who you spoke

with and ask who provides the physical therapy in their office. Then make

sure that the person is or is not a physical therapist. I would then send a

letter to the Chiropractic Board with a copy of the Physical Therapy Board.

Be sure to ask for follow up correspondence on the actions they take and the

results they achieve.

Sadly, I find that most chiropractors don't seem to know it is illegal for

them to advertise physical therapy. Oddly enough, I think most physical

therapists know they can not advertise chiropractic manipulation.

Becky A. Sewell, MRC, CRC

Rehab Net of AR/ArPTA

P.O. Box 202

Conway, AR 72033

ph/fax

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From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of keith bisesi

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:20 AM

To: PTManager

Subject: Chiropractors misrepresenting

Can anyone advise on the most efficient way to report misrepresentation of

chiropractors. The only success I've had in the past was through the APTA,

but they seemed to do it as a favor. They referred me to the Florida board,

or CMS and Im often told I must be an employee of the place or a patient to

report them. I have requested that this chiropractor office remove physical

therapy from the advertising on the web and the building but anticipate

being ignored.

http://lakelandasc.com/custom_content/c_115158_physical_therapy.html

I'm very fed up with chiropractic offices using personal trainers and

chiropractic assistants to exercise their clients and call it physical

therapy. PT's need to be advocates, you could get online and pull up chiro

offices in minutes that have physical therapy advertised. Its everywhere.

Sometimes we focus on the bigger battles like reimbursement, and forget

about other things that pose a threat. Chiro's not only are misrepresenting

themselves with this practice, but misrepresent our profession, with

dramatically lower skill sets - trainers and chiro assistants.

Bisesi MPT

Winter Haven, FL

January 30, 2012

In KY, Chrios can use " physiotherapy " if they can prove they completed

their " physiotherapy module " , which is an option in some of their

education tracks

Ron Barbato PT

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Chiropractors misrepresenting

Can anyone advise on the most efficient way to report misrepresentation

of

chiropractors. The only success I've had in the past was through the

APTA,

but they seemed to do it as a favor. They referred me to the Florida

board,

or CMS and Im often told I must be an employee of the place or a patient

to

report them. I have requested that this chiropractor office remove

physical

therapy from the advertising on the web and the building but anticipate

being ignored.

http://lakelandasc.com/custom_content/c_115158_physical_therapy.html

I'm very fed up with chiropractic offices using personal trainers and

chiropractic assistants to exercise their clients and call it physical

therapy. PT's need to be advocates, you could get online and pull up

chiro

offices in minutes that have physical therapy advertised. Its

everywhere.

Sometimes we focus on the bigger battles like reimbursement, and forget

about other things that pose a threat. Chiro's not only are

misrepresenting

themselves with this practice, but misrepresent our profession, with

dramatically lower skill sets - trainers and chiro assistants.

Bisesi MPT

Winter Haven, FL

January 30, 2012

Your last statement is one that I have really questioned for years. I

wonder how mad and upset another profession would be if we advertised that

we were a member of their profession (example: saying we offer chiropractic

because we do manipulation, or we offer nursing because we take BP, or we

offer occupational therapy because we work with hands). I would hope they

would be outraged. " True professionals " respect their profession and do not

try and hide it by pretending to be another profession.

On the flip side, I would caution people to actually explore the clinic

arrangements before taking action. A lot of clinics are going

multi-discipline with Chiro/MD/PT being popular. It seems to be a natural

progression into group practice with our system or one-stop healthcare and

larger clinics built for healthcare systems.

Steve Passmore PT, MS

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