Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Physical therapists cannot opt out of Medicare and cannot collect from Medicare patients. See https://questions.cms.hhs.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/9929/~/what-types-of-physi\ cians-and-practitioners-may-opt-out-of-medicare%3F The term " physician " is limited to doctors of medicine; doctors of osteopathy; doctors of dental surgery or of dental medicine; doctors of podiatric medicine; and doctors of optometry who are legally authorized to practice by the State in which such function or action is performed; no other physicians may opt out. Also, for purposes of the opt out provisions, the term " practitioner " means any of the following to the extent that they are legally authorized to practice by the State and otherwise meet Medicare requirements: • Physician assistant; • Nurse practitioner; • Clinical nurse specialist; • Certified registered nurse anesthetist; • Certified nurse midwife; • Clinical psychologist; • Clinical social worker; • Registered dietitian; or • Nutrition Professional. The opt out law does not define " physician " to include chiropractors; therefore, they may not opt out of Medicare and provide services under private contract. Physical therapists in independent practice and occupational therapists in independent practice cannot opt out because they are not within the opt out law's definition of either a " physician " or " practitioner " . > _ Jan Dommerholt, PT, DPT, MPS, DAAPM President Doctor of Physical Therapy Diplomate, American Academy of Pain Management Advanced Certification of Competency, Spine Research Institute of San Diego If pain is a puzzle, we should not throw away pieces of the jigsaw just because we are obsessed with a preconceived single solution. Wall Bethesda Physiocare®, Inc. 7830 Old town Road, Suite C-15 Bethesda, MD 20814-2440 United States + (voice) + (fax) dommerholt@... www.bethesdaphysiocare.com Myopain Seminars, LLC + (voice) + (fax) www.myopainseminars.com dommerholt@... http://www.linkedin.com/in/jandommerholt > IMPORTANT NOTICE > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that we do not consent to any reading, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message. If you have received this communication in error, please accept our apologies. notify the sender immediately and destroy the transmitted information. > > Thank you. > > Bethesda Physiocare® > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Physical therapists cannot opt out of Medicare and cannot collect from Medicare patients. See https://questions.cms.hhs.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/9929/~/what-types-of-physi\ cians-and-practitioners-may-opt-out-of-medicare%3F The term " physician " is limited to doctors of medicine; doctors of osteopathy; doctors of dental surgery or of dental medicine; doctors of podiatric medicine; and doctors of optometry who are legally authorized to practice by the State in which such function or action is performed; no other physicians may opt out. Also, for purposes of the opt out provisions, the term " practitioner " means any of the following to the extent that they are legally authorized to practice by the State and otherwise meet Medicare requirements: • Physician assistant; • Nurse practitioner; • Clinical nurse specialist; • Certified registered nurse anesthetist; • Certified nurse midwife; • Clinical psychologist; • Clinical social worker; • Registered dietitian; or • Nutrition Professional. The opt out law does not define " physician " to include chiropractors; therefore, they may not opt out of Medicare and provide services under private contract. Physical therapists in independent practice and occupational therapists in independent practice cannot opt out because they are not within the opt out law's definition of either a " physician " or " practitioner " . > _ Jan Dommerholt, PT, DPT, MPS, DAAPM President Doctor of Physical Therapy Diplomate, American Academy of Pain Management Advanced Certification of Competency, Spine Research Institute of San Diego If pain is a puzzle, we should not throw away pieces of the jigsaw just because we are obsessed with a preconceived single solution. Wall Bethesda Physiocare®, Inc. 7830 Old town Road, Suite C-15 Bethesda, MD 20814-2440 United States + (voice) + (fax) dommerholt@... www.bethesdaphysiocare.com Myopain Seminars, LLC + (voice) + (fax) www.myopainseminars.com dommerholt@... http://www.linkedin.com/in/jandommerholt > IMPORTANT NOTICE > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that we do not consent to any reading, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message. If you have received this communication in error, please accept our apologies. notify the sender immediately and destroy the transmitted information. > > Thank you. > > Bethesda Physiocare® > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Physical therapists cannot opt out of Medicare and cannot collect from Medicare patients. See https://questions.cms.hhs.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/9929/~/what-types-of-physi\ cians-and-practitioners-may-opt-out-of-medicare%3F The term " physician " is limited to doctors of medicine; doctors of osteopathy; doctors of dental surgery or of dental medicine; doctors of podiatric medicine; and doctors of optometry who are legally authorized to practice by the State in which such function or action is performed; no other physicians may opt out. Also, for purposes of the opt out provisions, the term " practitioner " means any of the following to the extent that they are legally authorized to practice by the State and otherwise meet Medicare requirements: • Physician assistant; • Nurse practitioner; • Clinical nurse specialist; • Certified registered nurse anesthetist; • Certified nurse midwife; • Clinical psychologist; • Clinical social worker; • Registered dietitian; or • Nutrition Professional. The opt out law does not define " physician " to include chiropractors; therefore, they may not opt out of Medicare and provide services under private contract. Physical therapists in independent practice and occupational therapists in independent practice cannot opt out because they are not within the opt out law's definition of either a " physician " or " practitioner " . > _ Jan Dommerholt, PT, DPT, MPS, DAAPM President Doctor of Physical Therapy Diplomate, American Academy of Pain Management Advanced Certification of Competency, Spine Research Institute of San Diego If pain is a puzzle, we should not throw away pieces of the jigsaw just because we are obsessed with a preconceived single solution. Wall Bethesda Physiocare®, Inc. 7830 Old town Road, Suite C-15 Bethesda, MD 20814-2440 United States + (voice) + (fax) dommerholt@... www.bethesdaphysiocare.com Myopain Seminars, LLC + (voice) + (fax) www.myopainseminars.com dommerholt@... http://www.linkedin.com/in/jandommerholt > IMPORTANT NOTICE > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that we do not consent to any reading, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message. If you have received this communication in error, please accept our apologies. notify the sender immediately and destroy the transmitted information. > > Thank you. > > Bethesda Physiocare® > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 As crazy as it is PTs cannot opt out of MC. You can choose not to see MC patients, but cannot do self pay unless it is for a service that is not covered ie: wellness and the like. Marc Mirisch PT, DPT, MBA > ** > > > > > Good Day, > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see > Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > Crystal Gallegos > > New Mexico > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > Phone: Fax > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 As crazy as it is PTs cannot opt out of MC. You can choose not to see MC patients, but cannot do self pay unless it is for a service that is not covered ie: wellness and the like. Marc Mirisch PT, DPT, MBA > ** > > > > > Good Day, > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see > Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > Crystal Gallegos > > New Mexico > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > Phone: Fax > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Opt-out rules are different for PT vs. MD You do not have to enroll in Medicare when you start a practice but if you do ever enroll and choose to get out.. you can never re-enroll (MDs can opt-out for 2 years then re-enroll). With PT's it's a life time decision (I am unsure but that might affect any other work you do such as a HH patient on the side). I also have one resource that says you cannot charge Medicare patients cash if you are not enrolled. Not sure how they could stop you but this is what my resource says. Steve Passmore PT, MS Healthy Recruiting Tools spass@... Phone: Fax: " What We Did For You Yesterday Is History. What Can We Do For You Today " Recruiting Tools: Cold Calls ~ List Enhancement ~ Direct Mailers ~ Card Design ~ Recruiting Software From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Crystal Gallegos Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:40 PM To: ptmanager Subject: OpOut of Medicare Good Day, Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? Crystal Gallegos New Mexico Buena Vida Physical Therapy Phone: Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Opt-out rules are different for PT vs. MD You do not have to enroll in Medicare when you start a practice but if you do ever enroll and choose to get out.. you can never re-enroll (MDs can opt-out for 2 years then re-enroll). With PT's it's a life time decision (I am unsure but that might affect any other work you do such as a HH patient on the side). I also have one resource that says you cannot charge Medicare patients cash if you are not enrolled. Not sure how they could stop you but this is what my resource says. Steve Passmore PT, MS Healthy Recruiting Tools spass@... Phone: Fax: " What We Did For You Yesterday Is History. What Can We Do For You Today " Recruiting Tools: Cold Calls ~ List Enhancement ~ Direct Mailers ~ Card Design ~ Recruiting Software From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Crystal Gallegos Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:40 PM To: ptmanager Subject: OpOut of Medicare Good Day, Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? Crystal Gallegos New Mexico Buena Vida Physical Therapy Phone: Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Opt-out rules are different for PT vs. MD You do not have to enroll in Medicare when you start a practice but if you do ever enroll and choose to get out.. you can never re-enroll (MDs can opt-out for 2 years then re-enroll). With PT's it's a life time decision (I am unsure but that might affect any other work you do such as a HH patient on the side). I also have one resource that says you cannot charge Medicare patients cash if you are not enrolled. Not sure how they could stop you but this is what my resource says. Steve Passmore PT, MS Healthy Recruiting Tools spass@... Phone: Fax: " What We Did For You Yesterday Is History. What Can We Do For You Today " Recruiting Tools: Cold Calls ~ List Enhancement ~ Direct Mailers ~ Card Design ~ Recruiting Software From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Crystal Gallegos Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:40 PM To: ptmanager Subject: OpOut of Medicare Good Day, Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? Crystal Gallegos New Mexico Buena Vida Physical Therapy Phone: Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 PT's, OT's, and SLP's are not allowed to opt out of the Medicare program. You must enroll in the Medicare program if you want to treat Medicare beneficiaries. Rick Gawenda, PT President Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. www.gawendaseminars.com Follow Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc on Facebook Register for the February 22, 2012 audio conference: " Is Your Practice Profitable? Evaluating Practice Metrics, Part 1 " at https://www.showmyevent.com/events/viewEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1754 Subject: OpOut of Medicare To: ptmanager Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM Â Good Day, Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? Crystal Gallegos New Mexico Buena Vida Physical Therapy Phone: Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 PT's, OT's, and SLP's are not allowed to opt out of the Medicare program. You must enroll in the Medicare program if you want to treat Medicare beneficiaries. Rick Gawenda, PT President Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. www.gawendaseminars.com Follow Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc on Facebook Register for the February 22, 2012 audio conference: " Is Your Practice Profitable? Evaluating Practice Metrics, Part 1 " at https://www.showmyevent.com/events/viewEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1754 Subject: OpOut of Medicare To: ptmanager Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM Â Good Day, Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? Crystal Gallegos New Mexico Buena Vida Physical Therapy Phone: Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 PT's, OT's, and SLP's are not allowed to opt out of the Medicare program. You must enroll in the Medicare program if you want to treat Medicare beneficiaries. Rick Gawenda, PT President Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. www.gawendaseminars.com Follow Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc on Facebook Register for the February 22, 2012 audio conference: " Is Your Practice Profitable? Evaluating Practice Metrics, Part 1 " at https://www.showmyevent.com/events/viewEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1754 Subject: OpOut of Medicare To: ptmanager Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM Â Good Day, Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? Crystal Gallegos New Mexico Buena Vida Physical Therapy Phone: Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 The question is whether you can treat Medicare patients on a cash basis if you aren't a Medicare provider Sent from my iPod > PT's, OT's, and SLP's are not allowed to opt out of the Medicare program. You must enroll in the Medicare program if you want to treat Medicare beneficiaries. > > Rick Gawenda, PT > President > Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. > www.gawendaseminars.com > Follow Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc on Facebook > > Register for the February 22, 2012 audio conference: " Is Your Practice Profitable? Evaluating Practice Metrics, Part 1 " at > https://www.showmyevent.com/events/viewEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1754 > > > > > Subject: OpOut of Medicare > To: ptmanager > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM > > > > Good Day, > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > Crystal Gallegos > > New Mexico > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > > Phone: Fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 The question is whether you can treat Medicare patients on a cash basis if you aren't a Medicare provider Sent from my iPod > PT's, OT's, and SLP's are not allowed to opt out of the Medicare program. You must enroll in the Medicare program if you want to treat Medicare beneficiaries. > > Rick Gawenda, PT > President > Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. > www.gawendaseminars.com > Follow Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc on Facebook > > Register for the February 22, 2012 audio conference: " Is Your Practice Profitable? Evaluating Practice Metrics, Part 1 " at > https://www.showmyevent.com/events/viewEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1754 > > > > > Subject: OpOut of Medicare > To: ptmanager > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM > > > > Good Day, > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > Crystal Gallegos > > New Mexico > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > > Phone: Fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Rick, is there any movement in the APTA to challenge that rule? If not, why not? Why can we not opt out? Why are PTs not considered " professionals " according to the Medicare rule? I find it rather frustrating. Jan > > __ Jan Dommerholt, PT, DPT, MPS, DAAPM Bethesda Physiocare®, Inc. 7830 Old town Road, Suite C-15 Bethesda, MD 20814-2440 United States + (voice) + (fax) dommerholt@... www.bethesdaphysiocare.com Myopain Seminars, LLC + (voice) + (fax) www.myopainseminars.com dommerholt@... http://www.linkedin.com/in/jandommerholt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Rick, is there any movement in the APTA to challenge that rule? If not, why not? Why can we not opt out? Why are PTs not considered " professionals " according to the Medicare rule? I find it rather frustrating. Jan > > __ Jan Dommerholt, PT, DPT, MPS, DAAPM Bethesda Physiocare®, Inc. 7830 Old town Road, Suite C-15 Bethesda, MD 20814-2440 United States + (voice) + (fax) dommerholt@... www.bethesdaphysiocare.com Myopain Seminars, LLC + (voice) + (fax) www.myopainseminars.com dommerholt@... http://www.linkedin.com/in/jandommerholt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 No. It's not allowed. You must enroll in Medicare. Rick Gawenda, PT President Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. http://www.gawendaseminars.com > The question is whether you can treat Medicare patients on a cash basis if you aren't a Medicare provider > > Sent from my iPod > > > > > PT's, OT's, and SLP's are not allowed to opt out of the Medicare program. You must enroll in the Medicare program if you want to treat Medicare beneficiaries. > > > > Rick Gawenda, PT > > President > > Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. > > www.gawendaseminars.com > > Follow Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc on Facebook > > > > Register for the February 22, 2012 audio conference: " Is Your Practice Profitable? Evaluating Practice Metrics, Part 1 " at > > https://www.showmyevent.com/events/viewEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1754 > > > > > > > > > > Subject: OpOut of Medicare > > To: ptmanager > > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > Good Day, > > > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > > > Crystal Gallegos > > > > New Mexico > > > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > > > > Phone: Fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 No. It's not allowed. You must enroll in Medicare. Rick Gawenda, PT President Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. http://www.gawendaseminars.com > The question is whether you can treat Medicare patients on a cash basis if you aren't a Medicare provider > > Sent from my iPod > > > > > PT's, OT's, and SLP's are not allowed to opt out of the Medicare program. You must enroll in the Medicare program if you want to treat Medicare beneficiaries. > > > > Rick Gawenda, PT > > President > > Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. > > www.gawendaseminars.com > > Follow Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc on Facebook > > > > Register for the February 22, 2012 audio conference: " Is Your Practice Profitable? Evaluating Practice Metrics, Part 1 " at > > https://www.showmyevent.com/events/viewEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1754 > > > > > > > > > > Subject: OpOut of Medicare > > To: ptmanager > > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > Good Day, > > > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > > > Crystal Gallegos > > > > New Mexico > > > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > > > > Phone: Fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 In our area, physical therapists in private practice (PTPP) Medicare providers who only do such work occasionally may have their status de-activated if they go a full year without a claim. In that case, it would seem that they are no longer a participating provider, and would need to re-apply to become one. Would that not be about the same as being out of the Medicare program? Dick Hillyer, PT,DPT,MBA,MSM Dr. Hillyer Hillyer Consulting Cape Coral, FL _____ From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:34 PM To: PTManager Subject: Re: OpOut of Medicare The question is whether you can treat Medicare patients on a cash basis if you aren't a Medicare provider Sent from my iPod On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Rick Gawenda <rick0905@... <mailto:rick0905%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > PT's, OT's, and SLP's are not allowed to opt out of the Medicare program. You must enroll in the Medicare program if you want to treat Medicare beneficiaries. > > Rick Gawenda, PT > President > Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. > www.gawendaseminars.com > Follow Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc on Facebook > > Register for the February 22, 2012 audio conference: " Is Your Practice Profitable? Evaluating Practice Metrics, Part 1 " at > https://www.showmyevent.com/events/viewEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1754 > > > > From: Crystal Gallegos <dcgallegos@... <mailto:dcgallegos%40live.com> > > Subject: OpOut of Medicare > To: ptmanager <mailto:ptmanager%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM > > > > Good Day, > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > Crystal Gallegos > > New Mexico > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > > Phone: Fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 In our area, physical therapists in private practice (PTPP) Medicare providers who only do such work occasionally may have their status de-activated if they go a full year without a claim. In that case, it would seem that they are no longer a participating provider, and would need to re-apply to become one. Would that not be about the same as being out of the Medicare program? Dick Hillyer, PT,DPT,MBA,MSM Dr. Hillyer Hillyer Consulting Cape Coral, FL _____ From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:34 PM To: PTManager Subject: Re: OpOut of Medicare The question is whether you can treat Medicare patients on a cash basis if you aren't a Medicare provider Sent from my iPod On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Rick Gawenda <rick0905@... <mailto:rick0905%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > PT's, OT's, and SLP's are not allowed to opt out of the Medicare program. You must enroll in the Medicare program if you want to treat Medicare beneficiaries. > > Rick Gawenda, PT > President > Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. > www.gawendaseminars.com > Follow Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc on Facebook > > Register for the February 22, 2012 audio conference: " Is Your Practice Profitable? Evaluating Practice Metrics, Part 1 " at > https://www.showmyevent.com/events/viewEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1754 > > > > From: Crystal Gallegos <dcgallegos@... <mailto:dcgallegos%40live.com> > > Subject: OpOut of Medicare > To: ptmanager <mailto:ptmanager%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM > > > > Good Day, > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > Crystal Gallegos > > New Mexico > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > > Phone: Fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Is it ethical to charge someone for an expensive service that would be covered by the PT one block away? If so, the patient should be fully aware of the consequence of their acceptance to receive therapy from your practice. Seems slippery to me. Alan Petrazzi, MPT, MPM Pittsburgh, PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 You have got to be kidding me! You mean the government has stipulated that a person receiving medicare is restricted to medicare providers and that they cannot choose, if they want, to receive services from a non medicare provider, even if they pay cash for that service? That seems very much in opposition to the American way!!! As an aside, just found out that the fed. gov't now applies a sales tax on all home sales, never before done, at 3/5% I believe, to pay for Obamacare. Carroll , PT Chattanooga, TN OpOut of Medicare > > To: ptmanager > > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > Good Day, > > > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > > > Crystal Gallegos > > > > New Mexico > > > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > > > > Phone: Fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 You have got to be kidding me! You mean the government has stipulated that a person receiving medicare is restricted to medicare providers and that they cannot choose, if they want, to receive services from a non medicare provider, even if they pay cash for that service? That seems very much in opposition to the American way!!! As an aside, just found out that the fed. gov't now applies a sales tax on all home sales, never before done, at 3/5% I believe, to pay for Obamacare. Carroll , PT Chattanooga, TN OpOut of Medicare > > To: ptmanager > > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > Good Day, > > > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > > > Crystal Gallegos > > > > New Mexico > > > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > > > > Phone: Fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 You have got to be kidding me! You mean the government has stipulated that a person receiving medicare is restricted to medicare providers and that they cannot choose, if they want, to receive services from a non medicare provider, even if they pay cash for that service? That seems very much in opposition to the American way!!! As an aside, just found out that the fed. gov't now applies a sales tax on all home sales, never before done, at 3/5% I believe, to pay for Obamacare. Carroll , PT Chattanooga, TN OpOut of Medicare > > To: ptmanager > > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:40 PM > > > > > > > > Good Day, > > > > Can anyone tell me if we decide to Op-Out of Medicare, can we still see Medicare patients and treat them as self pay patients? > > > > Crystal Gallegos > > > > New Mexico > > > > Buena Vida Physical Therapy > > > > Phone: Fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 As I'm sure you know, I can't answer for APTA. There are many priorities for APTA as well as Congress and in my opinion, it's probably not at the top of the list. Rick Gawenda, PT President Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. http://www.gawendaseminars.com On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Bethesda Physiocare wrote: > Rick, > > is there any movement in the APTA to challenge that rule? If not, why not? Why can we not opt out? Why are PTs not considered " professionals " according to the Medicare rule? I find it rather frustrating. > > Jan > > > > > __ > > Jan Dommerholt, PT, DPT, MPS, DAAPM > Bethesda Physiocare®, Inc. > 7830 Old town Road, Suite C-15 > Bethesda, MD 20814-2440 > United States > + (voice) > + (fax) > dommerholt@... > www.bethesdaphysiocare.com > > Myopain Seminars, LLC > + (voice) > + (fax) > www.myopainseminars.com > dommerholt@... > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/jandommerholt > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 As I'm sure you know, I can't answer for APTA. There are many priorities for APTA as well as Congress and in my opinion, it's probably not at the top of the list. Rick Gawenda, PT President Gawenda Seminars & Consulting, Inc. http://www.gawendaseminars.com On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Bethesda Physiocare wrote: > Rick, > > is there any movement in the APTA to challenge that rule? If not, why not? Why can we not opt out? Why are PTs not considered " professionals " according to the Medicare rule? I find it rather frustrating. > > Jan > > > > > __ > > Jan Dommerholt, PT, DPT, MPS, DAAPM > Bethesda Physiocare®, Inc. > 7830 Old town Road, Suite C-15 > Bethesda, MD 20814-2440 > United States > + (voice) > + (fax) > dommerholt@... > www.bethesdaphysiocare.com > > Myopain Seminars, LLC > + (voice) > + (fax) > www.myopainseminars.com > dommerholt@... > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/jandommerholt > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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