Re: Joint Commission & Cleaning

[Guest guest]

You could hang a clipboard with check off times after each cleaning so that

it is not too time consuming.

Sperry PT OCS

From:

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 12:41 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Joint Commission & Cleaning

Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after

each patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has

been cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned

before being put away.

For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large

pieces of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities

indicate that it has in fact been cleaned?

Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is

used?

I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

Thank You!

[Guest guest]

You could hang a clipboard with check off times after each cleaning so that

it is not too time consuming.

Sperry PT OCS

From:

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 12:41 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Joint Commission & Cleaning

Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after

each patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has

been cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned

before being put away.

For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large

pieces of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities

indicate that it has in fact been cleaned?

Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is

used?

I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

Thank You!

[Guest guest]

I would answer it this way...... " I wash or sanitize my hands after each patient

(which by the way is MORE important) but don't have a log for it nor do I have

the patient follow me to the sink. "

More regulation and paperwork......

That's just me.

Kevyn Soupiset, PT

Larned, KS

> Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after each

patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has been

cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

>

> I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned

before being put away.

>

> For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large pieces

of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities indicate that it

has in fact been cleaned?

>

> Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is used?

>

> I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

>

> I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

> Thank You!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would answer it this way...... " I wash or sanitize my hands after each patient

(which by the way is MORE important) but don't have a log for it nor do I have

the patient follow me to the sink. "

More regulation and paperwork......

That's just me.

Kevyn Soupiset, PT

Larned, KS

> Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after each

patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has been

cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

>

> I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned

before being put away.

>

> For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large pieces

of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities indicate that it

has in fact been cleaned?

>

> Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is used?

>

> I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

>

> I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

> Thank You!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would answer it this way...... " I wash or sanitize my hands after each patient

(which by the way is MORE important) but don't have a log for it nor do I have

the patient follow me to the sink. "

More regulation and paperwork......

That's just me.

Kevyn Soupiset, PT

Larned, KS

> Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after each

patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has been

cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

>

> I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned

before being put away.

>

> For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large pieces

of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities indicate that it

has in fact been cleaned?

>

> Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is used?

>

> I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

>

> I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

> Thank You!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am with Kevyn, but then again we are both from Kansas…

Whatever happened to common sense? These regulators need a dose!

Working. Better. Together

Ric A. Baird, DPT, ATC

www.interactiveptandfitness.com

www.ipt.tsfl.com

Interactive Physical Therapy and Fitness Center

3405 NW Hunters Ridge Terrace

Suite 300

Topeka, KS 66618

(P)

(F)

Interactive Physical Therapy

1707 SE 29th Street

Suites 300-400

Topeka, KS 66605

(P)

(F)

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

Kevyn Soupiset

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:00 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Joint Commission & Cleaning

I would answer it this way...... " I wash or sanitize my hands after each patient

(which by the way is MORE important) but don't have a log for it nor do I have

the patient follow me to the sink. "

More regulation and paperwork......

That's just me.

Kevyn Soupiset, PT

Larned, KS

On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:41 PM, " " <christina.kemp@...

<mailto:christina.kemp%40lakesidehealth.org> > wrote:

> Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after each

patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has been

cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

>

> I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned

before being put away.

>

> For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large pieces

of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities indicate that it

has in fact been cleaned?

>

> Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is used?

>

> I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

>

> I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

> Thank You!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am with Kevyn, but then again we are both from Kansas…

Whatever happened to common sense? These regulators need a dose!

Working. Better. Together

Ric A. Baird, DPT, ATC

www.interactiveptandfitness.com

www.ipt.tsfl.com

Interactive Physical Therapy and Fitness Center

3405 NW Hunters Ridge Terrace

Suite 300

Topeka, KS 66618

(P)

(F)

Interactive Physical Therapy

1707 SE 29th Street

Suites 300-400

Topeka, KS 66605

(P)

(F)

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

Kevyn Soupiset

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:00 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Joint Commission & Cleaning

I would answer it this way...... " I wash or sanitize my hands after each patient

(which by the way is MORE important) but don't have a log for it nor do I have

the patient follow me to the sink. "

More regulation and paperwork......

That's just me.

Kevyn Soupiset, PT

Larned, KS

On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:41 PM, " " <christina.kemp@...

<mailto:christina.kemp%40lakesidehealth.org> > wrote:

> Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after each

patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has been

cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

>

> I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned

before being put away.

>

> For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large pieces

of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities indicate that it

has in fact been cleaned?

>

> Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is used?

>

> I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

>

> I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

> Thank You!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Surveyors ask questions for many reasons but doesn & #39;t always indicate

deficiencies. They ask questions on a whim, to probe, to judge your

authenticity, or maybe because they feel you may be demonstrating a new best

practice.

Don & #39;t sweat it. The surveyor already forgot her question and your response.

Alan Petrazzi, MPT,MPM

Rehab Director

Pittsburgh, PA

[Guest guest]

,

I never kept records of each piece of equipment being cleaned, however in my

clinics, my PTA put a little sign on each treatment table after cleaning that

said it had been cleaned " just for you " .  

Greg

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To: PTManager

Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 4:49:28 PM

Subject: RE: Joint Commission & Cleaning

 

You could hang a clipboard with check off times after each cleaning so that

it is not too time consuming.

Sperry PT OCS

From:

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 12:41 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Joint Commission & Cleaning

Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after

each patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has

been cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned

before being put away.

For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large

pieces of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities

indicate that it has in fact been cleaned?

Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is

used?

I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

Thank You!

[Guest guest]

We may be reading too much into the surveyor’s question. In general the Joint

Commission Standards do not specify what you have to do for infection control

(with some exceptions for hand washing, etc.) What they are looking for is

that you have a policy, train your staff and follow the policy.

The best answer to the surveyor’s question would likely have been: Our policy

is to clean after every patient, we train all staff at orientation and we

periodically observe practices in the clinic to assure that this is being done.

If there is any question that it has been done, we repeat the cleaning process.

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From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

Ric Baird

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:44 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: RE: Joint Commission & Cleaning

I am with Kevyn, but then again we are both from Kansas…

Whatever happened to common sense? These regulators need a dose!

Working. Better. Together

Ric A. Baird, DPT, ATC

www.interactiveptandfitness.com

www.ipt.tsfl.com

Interactive Physical Therapy and Fitness Center

3405 NW Hunters Ridge Terrace

Suite 300

Topeka, KS 66618

(P)

(F)

Interactive Physical Therapy

1707 SE 29th Street

Suites 300-400

Topeka, KS 66605

(P)

(F)

From: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com> ] On

Behalf Of Kevyn Soupiset

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:00 PM

To: PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: Joint Commission & Cleaning

I would answer it this way...... " I wash or sanitize my hands after each patient

(which by the way is MORE important) but don't have a log for it nor do I have

the patient follow me to the sink. "

More regulation and paperwork......

That's just me.

Kevyn Soupiset, PT

Larned, KS

On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:41 PM, " " <christina.kemp@...

<mailto:christina.kemp%40lakesidehealth.org>

<mailto:christina.kemp%40lakesidehealth.org> > wrote:

> Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after each

patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has been

cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

>

> I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned

before being put away.

>

> For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large pieces

of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities indicate that it

has in fact been cleaned?

>

> Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is used?

>

> I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

>

> I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

> Thank You!

>

>

[Guest guest]

  We keep weights to be cleaned in a wash basin near the clean weights and hang

them  once they are washed and dried.  Everything is in plain sight in the gym.

 

Reisa Fedorchuck, PT

Highlands Health Care Center

Cheshire CT

> Last week we had our Joint Commission survey and a question that came up was

>how often is the equipment cleaned? I responded that it is cleaned after each

>patient use. The follow up question was then, how do you know it has been

>cleaned?/How does a patient know it has been cleaned?

>

> I honestly did not have a good answer for that. For things that need to be

" put

>away " , such as weights or smaller pieces of equipment, they get cleaned before

>being put away.

>

> For things such as the parallel bars, treadmills, bikes and other large pieces

>of equipment that don't get " put away " how do other facilities indicate that it

>has in fact been cleaned?

>

>

> Should everything be cleaned in the presence of the patient before it is used?

>

> I can't imagine somehow " labeling " every piece of equipment once it is

cleaned.

>

> I welcome any suggestions the group may have for addressing this issue.

> Thank You!

>

>