new treatment changes in type 2

[Guest guest]

Hi Terrie,

Are you in BC? I'm just wondering, as I live in the Vancouver area.

Jen

Re: new treatment changes in type 2

I did not feel any different at 5.8 should I? I know when my friend

was alive she tested my blood a few times and it was down at 4.something, I

don't recall what, and I did feel a little tired, but I put it down to going

into Vancouver which I hate doing.

is now in a better place. Cancer got her in the end, not the

diabetes. They were just keeping her comfortable at the time, not worrying

about her blood sugars. She was not getting her insulin either.

Why was that I asked the nurse. Then I asked our doctor. She explained it

to me, but I still think she should have gotten a little insulin.

Then she might have felt a bit better. I don't know.

Terrie with Eunice and Shandar. I am looking for a black kitten.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Terrie,

Are you in BC? I'm just wondering, as I live in the Vancouver area.

Jen

Re: new treatment changes in type 2

I did not feel any different at 5.8 should I? I know when my friend

was alive she tested my blood a few times and it was down at 4.something, I

don't recall what, and I did feel a little tired, but I put it down to going

into Vancouver which I hate doing.

is now in a better place. Cancer got her in the end, not the

diabetes. They were just keeping her comfortable at the time, not worrying

about her blood sugars. She was not getting her insulin either.

Why was that I asked the nurse. Then I asked our doctor. She explained it

to me, but I still think she should have gotten a little insulin.

Then she might have felt a bit better. I don't know.

Terrie with Eunice and Shandar. I am looking for a black kitten.

Contact info:

MSN: shineydog@...

private email: shineydog@...

list email: devendawg@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Terrie,

Are you in BC? I'm just wondering, as I live in the Vancouver area.

Jen

Re: new treatment changes in type 2

I did not feel any different at 5.8 should I? I know when my friend

was alive she tested my blood a few times and it was down at 4.something, I

don't recall what, and I did feel a little tired, but I put it down to going

into Vancouver which I hate doing.

is now in a better place. Cancer got her in the end, not the

diabetes. They were just keeping her comfortable at the time, not worrying

about her blood sugars. She was not getting her insulin either.

Why was that I asked the nurse. Then I asked our doctor. She explained it

to me, but I still think she should have gotten a little insulin.

Then she might have felt a bit better. I don't know.

Terrie with Eunice and Shandar. I am looking for a black kitten.

Contact info:

MSN: shineydog@...

private email: shineydog@...

list email: devendawg@...

[Guest guest]

Terry,

As others have stated, the A1C is a blood test that tells you how overall

you have been doing in the last 3 months with controlling your blood sugars.

To be more specific, however, is that glucose clings to your red blood

cells. Normally your A1C should be between 4.2 and 5.4. If it is highter

than tha, it can mean you are diabetic. The test measures the amount of

glucose hanging onto your red blood cells.

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky

[Guest guest]

,

My A1C was 5.8. I have an insulin pump and o not go int a low very

often-usually only I do do more exercise athn normal.

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

Jen,

Where the article said " less than 7.0 " for the A1c, I'd prefer seeing it

more like " less than 6.0 " to be closer to normal. At least that gets the

person closer to a workable baseline. Being at 7.0 is just too far up there

IMHO.

Bill Powers

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[Guest guest]

It does sound like life style changes will keep you off insulin, and perhaps

medication. They are doing the right thing by checking your A1C every 3 or 4

months. As long as it stays around that 5.8 mark, you'll be in pretty good

shape.

Dave

God doesn't hate sinners, just sin!

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Hi Terrie, and Bill:

I am lucky in that although my Doctor didn't know exactly what he was doing

about the diabetes, he sent me to the clinic to talk

with the diabetic nurse. I also had an appointment with the dietition that same

day. Believe me it helps. Especially Terrie since

you have a lot of foods that you cannot handle. it would be a great thing if

you could talk with your dietition. He or she can

give you ideas on the easiest way to control your diabetes. Good luck.

Love and Hugs and the Furry ones.

Anything on the ground is a cat toy. Anything not there yet, will be.

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

Terrie,

Unfortunately, too many doctors are very old-school and just don't see the

significance of a " normal " A1c level; they haven't been trained very well in

diabetes management and then they go out into practice and never update

their information. But yes, it's an assembly line kind of thing, as she is

the unfortunate member of a Kaiser plan, and I think most of us know that

you don't pick your doctors in that plan. As such, there's no guarantee of

getting a good one and forget trying to fight for a better doctor. My mom is

already 82 and just doesn't feel like she has much time left so there's no

point in her fighting hard at this point, though I keep telling her it's

never too late to have at least some good days before she checks out. I

seriously doubt I will be able to convince her to do anything further, she

will just go along with the program like so many sheep in the herd to be led

down the path of Big Pharma and do " whatever the doctor says. " Though I love

my mom dearly, thre are others who I can " mentor " who will use my advice,

whose lives I hope I can enhance, and who want the advice.

Bill

[Guest guest]

The ada in its journals publishes the " as close to normal " number as being

below 6 as much as possible if no potential complications such as hypos are

present. This means a 6 is a worst case situation upper limit that applies

to most type 2 diabetics.

I don't know why they persist in the 7 number except as a one size fits all

including those who watch hypos because they use insulin or other drugs

which produce insulin.

The reason they were pushed to set the 6 is that since the large studies

which found 7 a serious risk for complications, the risk levels in studies

have been coming steadily down from there. This is the case especially for

heart attack and stroke, which kills 80 percent of diabetics.

Doctors like their diabetic patients tend to take the road of least

resistance and settle for the 7 in far far too many cases. The confusion

of the two numbers seems to lend a form of support from the ada. This

ignores that their research saysthis is not the best level of patient care

and long term health outcomes for most type 2 diabetics.

XB

IC|XC

[Guest guest]

Hi all:

Woe! Six? I haven't been a six for a long time. For a while, my doctor said

that ten was ok. Then he moved away and I got a new

doctor who said that eight was ok. But now they are saying six? I had bettter

work harder.

Love and Hugs and the Furry ones.

Anything on the ground is a cat toy. Anything not there yet, will be.

new treatment changes in type 2

The ada in its journals publishes the " as close to normal " number as being

below 6 as much as possible if no potential complications such as hypos are

present. This means a 6 is a worst case situation upper limit that applies

to most type 2 diabetics.

I don't know why they persist in the 7 number except as a one size fits all

including those who watch hypos because they use insulin or other drugs

which produce insulin.

The reason they were pushed to set the 6 is that since the large studies

which found 7 a serious risk for complications, the risk levels in studies

have been coming steadily down from there. This is the case especially for

heart attack and stroke, which kills 80 percent of diabetics.

Doctors like their diabetic patients tend to take the road of least

resistance and settle for the 7 in far far too many cases. The confusion

of the two numbers seems to lend a form of support from the ada. This

ignores that their research saysthis is not the best level of patient care

and long term health outcomes for most type 2 diabetics.

XB

IC|XC

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[Guest guest]

Hello to all:

This is Terrie.

Well, when I went to the doctor a couple of weeks ago, I was told I should hear

something from the diabetic clinic within two weeks. Well, I guess I should

hear something this week. I am not going to worry too much if I don't, because

I know there are always clinics for diabetics. Maybe they have a day for

newbies and other days for those who have been diagnosed longer. I am really

not too sure.

Oh, well, I guess they will go over all kinds of things. I know they do discuss

diet, how to give insulin to yourself. Awe, I want to run away because I am

afraid of needles. Yeah, I can hear most of you laughing and saying That is

nothing to be afraid of. Well, I had a needle break in my arm while I was

getting a booster for something and some other stuff when I was around 18. That

is where the fear comes from.

I don't know what else I will have to do there, but It should be very

interesting.

I will get out of here for now.

Terrie with Eunice and Shandar.

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Hey! , good to hear from you. That is very good information too. Yeah, I

know they will have a diatission there too. That should be very interesting as

to what I can replace certain things with.

ahahahah

Terrie with Eunice and Shandar.

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

Terrie,

Unfortunately, too many doctors are very old-school and just don't see the

significance of a " normal " A1c level; they haven't been trained very well in

diabetes management and then they go out into practice and never update

their information. But yes, it's an assembly line kind of thing, as she is

the unfortunate member of a Kaiser plan, and I think most of us know that

you don't pick your doctors in that plan. As such, there's no guarantee of

getting a good one and forget trying to fight for a better doctor. My mom is

already 82 and just doesn't feel like she has much time left so there's no

point in her fighting hard at this point, though I keep telling her it's

never too late to have at least some good days before she checks out. I

seriously doubt I will be able to convince her to do anything further, she

will just go along with the program like so many sheep in the herd to be led

down the path of Big Pharma and do " whatever the doctor says. " Though I love

my mom dearly, thre are others who I can " mentor " who will use my advice,

whose lives I hope I can enhance, and who want the advice.

Bill

[Guest guest]

When it came to using a syringe, at first I was a chicken. After using it a

couple of times I was a veteran and a pro. If you do it right it rarely hurts,

and it is easy.

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky

[Guest guest]

When it came to using a syringe, at first I was a chicken. After using it a

couple of times I was a veteran and a pro. If you do it right it rarely hurts,

and it is easy.

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Hi Terrie:

Good to hear from you girlfriend. I don't think you need to worry very much

right now. Marie said that she was happy for you to

start out with diet and exersise to see how you do isn't that right? She is

such a gem. I am sure that before you get to needing

insulin, she will try you on one of the oral medications. The diabetic clinic

is great. Lots and lots of information is given

there. If I were you I would take a cassette recorder and record all you can so

that you can take notes at home. There is always

so much that you don't get the first time around. I hope that you will enjoy

this group as much as I do. Terrie I have had a very

bad blood sugar day. This morning when I got up I was shocked to see that my

sugar was 18.2. It very rarely gets up that high and

yesterday I only ate a bowl of soup and a cheese sandwitch with no miracle whip

or anything like that. All I drank was water and

one gladd of one percent milk. I can't quite make myself drink the skim. yw!

But like I was telling the group last week, when I

am in a lot of pain, my sugars go up up up. I got it to go down to ten this

evening which is a lot better then 18.2 but not good

enough. I have never tried to count carbs. I have been working with the

exchanges. I would like to find out though how to get

started on counting carbs. It seems so complicated. Well I didn't mean to

write a book. Glad to see you here.

Love and Hugs and the Furry ones.

Anything on the ground is a cat toy. Anything not there yet, will be.

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Hi Terrie:

Good to hear from you girlfriend. I don't think you need to worry very much

right now. Marie said that she was happy for you to

start out with diet and exersise to see how you do isn't that right? She is

such a gem. I am sure that before you get to needing

insulin, she will try you on one of the oral medications. The diabetic clinic

is great. Lots and lots of information is given

there. If I were you I would take a cassette recorder and record all you can so

that you can take notes at home. There is always

so much that you don't get the first time around. I hope that you will enjoy

this group as much as I do. Terrie I have had a very

bad blood sugar day. This morning when I got up I was shocked to see that my

sugar was 18.2. It very rarely gets up that high and

yesterday I only ate a bowl of soup and a cheese sandwitch with no miracle whip

or anything like that. All I drank was water and

one gladd of one percent milk. I can't quite make myself drink the skim. yw!

But like I was telling the group last week, when I

am in a lot of pain, my sugars go up up up. I got it to go down to ten this

evening which is a lot better then 18.2 but not good

enough. I have never tried to count carbs. I have been working with the

exchanges. I would like to find out though how to get

started on counting carbs. It seems so complicated. Well I didn't mean to

write a book. Glad to see you here.

Love and Hugs and the Furry ones.

Anything on the ground is a cat toy. Anything not there yet, will be.

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Hi and all: I go to my first diabetic clinic on Jan 6 at 2:00Pm. I

will have to look that up as I have to call handy dart for that one. as it is

in the old part of the hospital

When I am reminded how to count carbs I can help you, , but I have

forgotten. It has been such a long time since I had to do it for that I

have forgotten how to do it.

I used to do all her cooking for her. She was on the heart, kidney and the

diabetic diets. Yes, all at the same time. Back in those days it was not

confusing for me, because the diabetic nurse made it easier for me. She just

added it into the diet we were already using. Menaing that if the other doctors

added something they wanted her to have she would just bring the sheat to the

next diabetic clinicthe diatition would take me into another room with and

tell what it was that the doctor asked her to add, then she would tell me

Ok, we are on this week which is a ... week and we can switch this and do that

one in the next week and add the new thing and see how it goes. And that was

how it worked. The only thing I drew the line at cooking was chicken, so she

had a home support worker who would do the chicken and I would just heat it and

cook the rest for her. Maybe she should have gone into assisted living back

then, but who would have thought of that back in those days? Now automatically,

we do.

Terrie with Eunice and shandar and Jade.

contact info below:

shineydog@...

list email: devendawg@...

private@...

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Hi and all: I go to my first diabetic clinic on Jan 6 at 2:00Pm. I

will have to look that up as I have to call handy dart for that one. as it is

in the old part of the hospital

When I am reminded how to count carbs I can help you, , but I have

forgotten. It has been such a long time since I had to do it for that I

have forgotten how to do it.

I used to do all her cooking for her. She was on the heart, kidney and the

diabetic diets. Yes, all at the same time. Back in those days it was not

confusing for me, because the diabetic nurse made it easier for me. She just

added it into the diet we were already using. Menaing that if the other doctors

added something they wanted her to have she would just bring the sheat to the

next diabetic clinicthe diatition would take me into another room with and

tell what it was that the doctor asked her to add, then she would tell me

Ok, we are on this week which is a ... week and we can switch this and do that

one in the next week and add the new thing and see how it goes. And that was

how it worked. The only thing I drew the line at cooking was chicken, so she

had a home support worker who would do the chicken and I would just heat it and

cook the rest for her. Maybe she should have gone into assisted living back

then, but who would have thought of that back in those days? Now automatically,

we do.

Terrie with Eunice and shandar and Jade.

contact info below:

shineydog@...

list email: devendawg@...

private@...

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Hi and all: I go to my first diabetic clinic on Jan 6 at 2:00Pm. I

will have to look that up as I have to call handy dart for that one. as it is

in the old part of the hospital

When I am reminded how to count carbs I can help you, , but I have

forgotten. It has been such a long time since I had to do it for that I

have forgotten how to do it.

I used to do all her cooking for her. She was on the heart, kidney and the

diabetic diets. Yes, all at the same time. Back in those days it was not

confusing for me, because the diabetic nurse made it easier for me. She just

added it into the diet we were already using. Menaing that if the other doctors

added something they wanted her to have she would just bring the sheat to the

next diabetic clinicthe diatition would take me into another room with and

tell what it was that the doctor asked her to add, then she would tell me

Ok, we are on this week which is a ... week and we can switch this and do that

one in the next week and add the new thing and see how it goes. And that was

how it worked. The only thing I drew the line at cooking was chicken, so she

had a home support worker who would do the chicken and I would just heat it and

cook the rest for her. Maybe she should have gone into assisted living back

then, but who would have thought of that back in those days? Now automatically,

we do.

Terrie with Eunice and shandar and Jade.

contact info below:

shineydog@...

list email: devendawg@...

private@...

RE: new treatment changes in type 2

I think the people who set these standards and make recommendations just

don't want to scare people and discourage them. They might be afraid that

if they tell people to get and stay below 6.0 they'll get so discouraged

they'll just give up. I think it's the same when articles are written about

how much exercise should be done to lose weight. People quickly hear 60 to

90 minutes a day and give up figuring they can't do it. So now only 30

minutes is recommended because it sounds more realistic.

I'm just guessing here, but this theory makes sense to me.

Becky