RE: Student PT recruitment

[Guest guest]

There have been many discussions here about this or similar, most of which

did not have a happy ending. To give a loan to a student does not force

them to work for you or repay it. Some of the previous responses I have

seen and agree with are that the payment of the money should come at the end

of the 2 years not up front. Reimbursing the student for that money becomes

an incentive to stay. That still doesn't guarantee anything but at least if

she leaves early and the contract that you sign is good (you must have an

attorney involved in this process, for sure) then you will not be out the

money.

This is no different than a signing bonus and many of those these days are

done the same way. A signing bonus is agreed upon but not paid until the

term of service agreed upon is done or paid in graduated amounts as an

incentive to stay.

With the shortage of PT's and PTA's, students are taking advantage of the

high need and facilities willing to do anything to hire. You can take the

risk but chances are once school is finished, this person will go elsewhere

and decide to pay you back if she has a shred of ethics or forget it and let

you decide if you want to incur the legal fees to go after her. In either

scenario, the big piece missing is an employee for your facility.

M.Howell, P.T., M.P.T.

IPTA Payment Specialist

Meridian, Idaho

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From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of G

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:34 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Student PT recruitment

Checking to see what others are doing or have done on recruitment of furture

PT still in school. We have been approached by a student that a has a year

left of school about potential employement upon graduation. She has

indicated she would like help paying for he final year of school, ~$5k, in

which she would agree to work for our facility for 2 years.

Has any one else done this or doing this? Are you paying in lump sum or a

monthly stipend?

Thanks for the input.

Gwilliam, PT, MHA, CWS

Director of Rehabilitation

Bowie Memorial Hospital

Bowie, Texas

[Guest guest]

I am sure you have already thought of some of these issues; but, use a

little caution with this. It could be a wonderful tool but can also turn

into such a nightmare.

- Will you have a need when student is ready to graduate

- What if the student in their school rotations determines they

want to go into a different type of practice

- What if someone else offers them a job and agrees to pay off your

loan.you may have passed on other people and get stuck in the end

- Don't expect a lot of loyalty from the person you support with a

school loan. Hopefully they will fulfill the commitment but too many skip

- When you hire normally, you negotiate salary, etc. I assume this

would be upfront with this student . what if they demand more. just unhappy

times.

Steve Passmore PT, MS

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From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of G

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:34 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Student PT recruitment

Checking to see what others are doing or have done on recruitment of furture

PT still in school. We have been approached by a student that a has a year

left of school about potential employement upon graduation. She has

indicated she would like help paying for he final year of school, ~$5k, in

which she would agree to work for our facility for 2 years.

Has any one else done this or doing this? Are you paying in lump sum or a

monthly stipend?

Thanks for the input.

Gwilliam, PT, MHA, CWS

Director of Rehabilitation

Bowie Memorial Hospital

Bowie, Texas

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[Guest guest]

We have done much more than 5K in the past with mixed results. I would

guess that 85% of the time everything works out well, but just keep in mind

that we have also lost much more than the 5K. It is very hard if not

impossible to recoup any money given to a potential PT or anyone that you

pay for future services (for 5K it would not be worth it to go after it,

in my opinion). We now sign our contracts like this " after years of

service " instead of up front, which has worked out much better.

Jeff Nolder, MSPT, MHA

Vice President of Clinical Services

Cherokee Regional Medical Center

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