Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Ricky Joe, 225 grams of carbs per day, Holy Crap! That is insane. You are on the right track to question this advice. From all I have ever heard the 90 carb per day is what one *should* shoot for. I believe that posted a low carb base for stuffing which you might consider for the Christmas blast. Cy, The Anasazi.. _____ From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:47 AM To: blind-diabetics Subject: question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Ricky Joe, 225 grams of carbs per day, Holy Crap! That is insane. You are on the right track to question this advice. From all I have ever heard the 90 carb per day is what one *should* shoot for. I believe that posted a low carb base for stuffing which you might consider for the Christmas blast. Cy, The Anasazi.. _____ From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:47 AM To: blind-diabetics Subject: question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I say throw her advice in the trash and burn it. 225 is about right in maybe 5 days, but per day is nuts!! question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I say throw her advice in the trash and burn it. 225 is about right in maybe 5 days, but per day is nuts!! question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I say throw her advice in the trash and burn it. 225 is about right in maybe 5 days, but per day is nuts!! question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Hi Ricky Joe, 225 grams of carbs is probably what an average person (non-diabetic) eats. In fact, that's about what I eat per day. However, I have type 1 and bolus insulin to " match " those carbs. For many people with type 2 diabetes they must eat fewer carbs. Many on this list also eat low-carb as a matter of course; I'd say I'm in the exception here when it comes to carbs. Also, 75 grams per meal is kind of a lot for one sitting, most of my meals are 40-60 grams plus a few snacks thrown in there. So your dietitian was probably " right " in the sense that that's probably what most people eat, but if you want to go lower carb then go for it! Jen From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:47 AM To: blind-diabetics Subject: question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Hi Ricky Joe, 225 grams of carbs is probably what an average person (non-diabetic) eats. In fact, that's about what I eat per day. However, I have type 1 and bolus insulin to " match " those carbs. For many people with type 2 diabetes they must eat fewer carbs. Many on this list also eat low-carb as a matter of course; I'd say I'm in the exception here when it comes to carbs. Also, 75 grams per meal is kind of a lot for one sitting, most of my meals are 40-60 grams plus a few snacks thrown in there. So your dietitian was probably " right " in the sense that that's probably what most people eat, but if you want to go lower carb then go for it! Jen From: blind-diabetics [mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:47 AM To: blind-diabetics Subject: question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Instead of eating carb filled foods, just eat an extra quarter or two quarters of a pound of turkey. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Instead of eating carb filled foods, just eat an extra quarter or two quarters of a pound of turkey. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Instead of eating carb filled foods, just eat an extra quarter or two quarters of a pound of turkey. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Well, as everyone else has said that is high. I don't think I could eat that many carbs in a meal LOL. Yesterday is the possible exeption. I think its interestesting that she has started telling her clients to eat more rather than challenging them to at least try. My diabetes educator obviously understands that I'm human and so some day won't be as good as others but I'm always being encouraged to try eating this thing in exchange for that thing. Personally I'd rather have someone pushing me than saying " well, most of my clients can't do it. So lets not even try. " question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Well, as everyone else has said that is high. I don't think I could eat that many carbs in a meal LOL. Yesterday is the possible exeption. I think its interestesting that she has started telling her clients to eat more rather than challenging them to at least try. My diabetes educator obviously understands that I'm human and so some day won't be as good as others but I'm always being encouraged to try eating this thing in exchange for that thing. Personally I'd rather have someone pushing me than saying " well, most of my clients can't do it. So lets not even try. " question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Well, as everyone else has said that is high. I don't think I could eat that many carbs in a meal LOL. Yesterday is the possible exeption. I think its interestesting that she has started telling her clients to eat more rather than challenging them to at least try. My diabetes educator obviously understands that I'm human and so some day won't be as good as others but I'm always being encouraged to try eating this thing in exchange for that thing. Personally I'd rather have someone pushing me than saying " well, most of my clients can't do it. So lets not even try. " question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Here's a simple truth that I just conjured up: Food is not your enemy, portion sizes are! go ahead and eat a few mashed potatoes, or stuffing, but maybe only half a portion. That way, the 2 half portions will equal 1 whole portion. As far as so called sugar free products, I think you mentioned sugar free apple pie, try to push some of the goop in regular apple pie to the side. And, don't eat all the crust. Always remember that rich, fatty, high sugar foods, which means foods prepared with refined sugar, as well as products made with flour, especially white flour, are truly your enemies. I've been a type 1 for 41 years, and I never eat sugar free foods. I simply enjoy the real thing, but in moderation, and sometimes in extreme moderation. Dave God doesn't hate sinners, just sin! question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Here's a simple truth that I just conjured up: Food is not your enemy, portion sizes are! go ahead and eat a few mashed potatoes, or stuffing, but maybe only half a portion. That way, the 2 half portions will equal 1 whole portion. As far as so called sugar free products, I think you mentioned sugar free apple pie, try to push some of the goop in regular apple pie to the side. And, don't eat all the crust. Always remember that rich, fatty, high sugar foods, which means foods prepared with refined sugar, as well as products made with flour, especially white flour, are truly your enemies. I've been a type 1 for 41 years, and I never eat sugar free foods. I simply enjoy the real thing, but in moderation, and sometimes in extreme moderation. Dave God doesn't hate sinners, just sin! question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Here's a simple truth that I just conjured up: Food is not your enemy, portion sizes are! go ahead and eat a few mashed potatoes, or stuffing, but maybe only half a portion. That way, the 2 half portions will equal 1 whole portion. As far as so called sugar free products, I think you mentioned sugar free apple pie, try to push some of the goop in regular apple pie to the side. And, don't eat all the crust. Always remember that rich, fatty, high sugar foods, which means foods prepared with refined sugar, as well as products made with flour, especially white flour, are truly your enemies. I've been a type 1 for 41 years, and I never eat sugar free foods. I simply enjoy the real thing, but in moderation, and sometimes in extreme moderation. Dave God doesn't hate sinners, just sin! question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 You are both right, 75 carbs per meal is too much to be really healthy but it is realistically what most people will eat. That's why diabetes is not the killer, but uncontrolled diabetes complications are. If you set expectations you can realistically stick to, you will be far better off than setting unrealistic expectations you cannot meet and you do nothing. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 You are both right, 75 carbs per meal is too much to be really healthy but it is realistically what most people will eat. That's why diabetes is not the killer, but uncontrolled diabetes complications are. If you set expectations you can realistically stick to, you will be far better off than setting unrealistic expectations you cannot meet and you do nothing. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 You are both right, 75 carbs per meal is too much to be really healthy but it is realistically what most people will eat. That's why diabetes is not the killer, but uncontrolled diabetes complications are. If you set expectations you can realistically stick to, you will be far better off than setting unrealistic expectations you cannot meet and you do nothing. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I would add to Dan's comments by saying, that along with the fact that all of us are different, not only between type 1 and type 2, but in age, gender, activity level/life style, length of time as a diabetic, etc., that weight management is also a major consideration. Indeed, as a type 1, I can eat a piece of pie, or eat something extra, and cover it with a little extra insulin. If I am healthy, or active, this is more acceptable. However, for an older, and less healthy diabetic, and in particular, one who is over weight, this is probably not an advisable practice. Dave God doesn't hate sinners, just sin! question about carbs The nutrition advice given that says over 200 g of carbs is the target is a common problem in diabetes treatment. The reason given was that many would not eat less. This means the standard of care is being set at the worst case level rather then setting it at the level likely to provide optimal results. Too often doctors take a similar path. They will accept an a1c of 7 as ok when knowing that the current research based advice says 6 should be the worst case number. Both result in many more diabetics then would otherwise have better results are getting complications and are being misled by the complacency of the advice giver. They should be pushing not enabling poor results. I once read a doctor's advice that if your doctor is not yelling at you about your poor results then you should be yelling at your doctor. The problem is that the customer is not being told results are poor and complications are the price they pay. There is another prroblem with the carb advice. It is almost useless to set a standard number as a target given the range of individual reactions to the same number of carbs. One should rather set a post meal number for blood glucose which will then on average result in an effective a1c over time. One relies on the meter to tell us how many carbs of what kind result in what post meal number. One then adjusts that carb content of that kind of food accordingly until the post meal target is matched. XB IC|XC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I would add to Dan's comments by saying, that along with the fact that all of us are different, not only between type 1 and type 2, but in age, gender, activity level/life style, length of time as a diabetic, etc., that weight management is also a major consideration. Indeed, as a type 1, I can eat a piece of pie, or eat something extra, and cover it with a little extra insulin. If I am healthy, or active, this is more acceptable. However, for an older, and less healthy diabetic, and in particular, one who is over weight, this is probably not an advisable practice. Dave God doesn't hate sinners, just sin! question about carbs The nutrition advice given that says over 200 g of carbs is the target is a common problem in diabetes treatment. The reason given was that many would not eat less. This means the standard of care is being set at the worst case level rather then setting it at the level likely to provide optimal results. Too often doctors take a similar path. They will accept an a1c of 7 as ok when knowing that the current research based advice says 6 should be the worst case number. Both result in many more diabetics then would otherwise have better results are getting complications and are being misled by the complacency of the advice giver. They should be pushing not enabling poor results. I once read a doctor's advice that if your doctor is not yelling at you about your poor results then you should be yelling at your doctor. The problem is that the customer is not being told results are poor and complications are the price they pay. There is another prroblem with the carb advice. It is almost useless to set a standard number as a target given the range of individual reactions to the same number of carbs. One should rather set a post meal number for blood glucose which will then on average result in an effective a1c over time. One relies on the meter to tell us how many carbs of what kind result in what post meal number. One then adjusts that carb content of that kind of food accordingly until the post meal target is matched. XB IC|XC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Hi, I am constantly astounded how poor the information provided by those who should know. Since %100 of carbs eventually get turned in to blood sugar, it makes sense to eat as little carbs as you can. Of course, you need to balance this with lifestile though. I aim to eat 60 grams of carbs per day, but only achieve this about 3 times a week. However, I can do between 80 and 100 grams of carbs per day with out effort. It's once in a blue moon I would go over this. After you start carb counting and get an idea of what foods are best to eat, it becomes habitual, so you should be able to consume less carbs than they recommend without feeling cheated. Cheers, Brett. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Hi, I am constantly astounded how poor the information provided by those who should know. Since %100 of carbs eventually get turned in to blood sugar, it makes sense to eat as little carbs as you can. Of course, you need to balance this with lifestile though. I aim to eat 60 grams of carbs per day, but only achieve this about 3 times a week. However, I can do between 80 and 100 grams of carbs per day with out effort. It's once in a blue moon I would go over this. After you start carb counting and get an idea of what foods are best to eat, it becomes habitual, so you should be able to consume less carbs than they recommend without feeling cheated. Cheers, Brett. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Hi, I am constantly astounded how poor the information provided by those who should know. Since %100 of carbs eventually get turned in to blood sugar, it makes sense to eat as little carbs as you can. Of course, you need to balance this with lifestile though. I aim to eat 60 grams of carbs per day, but only achieve this about 3 times a week. However, I can do between 80 and 100 grams of carbs per day with out effort. It's once in a blue moon I would go over this. After you start carb counting and get an idea of what foods are best to eat, it becomes habitual, so you should be able to consume less carbs than they recommend without feeling cheated. Cheers, Brett. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 That is great you can do that Bret! I usually do that too, but really blew it at Thanksgiving! Re: question about carbs Hi, I am constantly astounded how poor the information provided by those who should know. Since %100 of carbs eventually get turned in to blood sugar, it makes sense to eat as little carbs as you can. Of course, you need to balance this with lifestile though. I aim to eat 60 grams of carbs per day, but only achieve this about 3 times a week. However, I can do between 80 and 100 grams of carbs per day with out effort. It's once in a blue moon I would go over this. After you start carb counting and get an idea of what foods are best to eat, it becomes habitual, so you should be able to consume less carbs than they recommend without feeling cheated. Cheers, Brett. question about carbs Hi all, I saw the dietician on Wednesday and we were talking about carbs and she recommended eating 75 gm of carbs per meal or a total daily amount of 225 gms of carbs. This seemed like a lot to me since I'd been reading that 30 to 50 carbs per meal were best. When I asked her about that she said that her experience was that her clients usually couldn't stick with that low amount of carbs. What do all of you think. I showed her my bg log and she said that I was doing a pretty good job of getting them down. She said that my first A1C was 10.6 and from the readings it looked like my reading for my next test which should be coming up probably would be in the 8 range which she said was a good drop for a two month period. Of course I want to get it down in the normal range if possible and know its going to take a lot of work and support to do that. I didn't go to my friends house for Thanksgiving because I wasn't sure what they were going to be having because someone other than my friend was doing the shopping and cooking. I wanted to try to keep up the healthy eating. My partner and I got a turkey breast, I did make stuffing but used a organic wholewheat stuffing that had a low carb amount. I fixed regular mashed potatoes for my partner and I made mock mashed potatoes out of cauliflower. I got a sugar free apple pie and had just a small piece. I tested before bed last night and had a reading of 139 and again this morning fasting test was 120 which I know aren't great readings but much better than the 200 ones I was getting in the beginning. Ricky Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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