Guest guest Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. Drilling,PT Fee for legal work Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying that it is up to us what we will charge. Thanks in advance for your help. Alice Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS Manager Inpatient Physical Therapy Services P.O. Box 980419 MCV Station Richmond, VA 23298 apeay@... NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. -------------------------------------- VCU Health System http://www.vcuhealth.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. Drilling,PT Fee for legal work Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying that it is up to us what we will charge. Thanks in advance for your help. Alice Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS Manager Inpatient Physical Therapy Services P.O. Box 980419 MCV Station Richmond, VA 23298 apeay@... NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. -------------------------------------- VCU Health System http://www.vcuhealth.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 In not really wanting to do the legal work, I told the attorney that requested it $300/hour. They paid it without question. I charged that for deposition time, document review time, and court time. Adam P. Carson, DPT, OCS 3231 Main Street, Suite 3 , AR 72022 www.carsonphysicaltherapy.com > Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. > > Drilling,PT > > Fee for legal work > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Alice > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > Manager > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > P.O. Box 980419 > MCV Station > Richmond, VA 23298 > > apeay@... > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > -------------------------------------- > VCU Health System > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 In not really wanting to do the legal work, I told the attorney that requested it $300/hour. They paid it without question. I charged that for deposition time, document review time, and court time. Adam P. Carson, DPT, OCS 3231 Main Street, Suite 3 , AR 72022 www.carsonphysicaltherapy.com > Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. > > Drilling,PT > > Fee for legal work > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Alice > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > Manager > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > P.O. Box 980419 > MCV Station > Richmond, VA 23298 > > apeay@... > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > -------------------------------------- > VCU Health System > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I agree with those who say that you should charge either (1) your lost revenue opportunity; in other words, what could that therapist have earned for your clinic while involved in legal work, or (2) high enough to discourage them asking you for legal testimony since it is disruptive to operations of the clinic. I will add, however, that in my experience you need to be very clear about how you get paid. We've had situations where the therapist was told they would be needed " for about an hour " in the morning, but in fact spent the whole day in the courtroom as the trial moved much slower than planned. It caused us to have to cancel or reschedule a whole afternoon of patients. It's also not unusual to be waiting to testify while attorneys negotiate a settlement, and there is ultimately no therapist testimony needed. We now tell attorneys that for trials we have a 4 hour minimum, and the rate doubles beyond that window. (Depositions are a little different since the attorneys have much more control of the timeline.) I've also had lawyers " outraged " that we ask " so much money " and actually threaten to sue us. All that I can say about that is you have to look out for your business and let them decide the value of the testimony. Good luck! Bob Perlson Director, Rehabilitation Services Rogue Valley Medical Center, Medford OR > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Alice > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > Manager > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > P.O. Box 980419 > MCV Station > Richmond, VA 23298 > > apeay@... > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > -------------------------------------- > VCU Health System > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I agree with those who say that you should charge either (1) your lost revenue opportunity; in other words, what could that therapist have earned for your clinic while involved in legal work, or (2) high enough to discourage them asking you for legal testimony since it is disruptive to operations of the clinic. I will add, however, that in my experience you need to be very clear about how you get paid. We've had situations where the therapist was told they would be needed " for about an hour " in the morning, but in fact spent the whole day in the courtroom as the trial moved much slower than planned. It caused us to have to cancel or reschedule a whole afternoon of patients. It's also not unusual to be waiting to testify while attorneys negotiate a settlement, and there is ultimately no therapist testimony needed. We now tell attorneys that for trials we have a 4 hour minimum, and the rate doubles beyond that window. (Depositions are a little different since the attorneys have much more control of the timeline.) I've also had lawyers " outraged " that we ask " so much money " and actually threaten to sue us. All that I can say about that is you have to look out for your business and let them decide the value of the testimony. Good luck! Bob Perlson Director, Rehabilitation Services Rogue Valley Medical Center, Medford OR > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Alice > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > Manager > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > P.O. Box 980419 > MCV Station > Richmond, VA 23298 > > apeay@... > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > -------------------------------------- > VCU Health System > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I have helped law firms prepare cases for trial, and therefore I know how much time it takes to prepare for a case. I agree with you that $300 is very reasonable. Sumesh Hamilton Physical Therapy ________________________________ To: " PTManager " <PTManager > Cc: " PTManager " <PTManager > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Fee for legal work  In not really wanting to do the legal work, I told the attorney that requested it $300/hour. They paid it without question. I charged that for deposition time, document review time, and court time. Adam P. Carson, DPT, OCS 3231 Main Street, Suite 3 , AR 72022 www.carsonphysicaltherapy.com > Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. > > Drilling,PT > > Fee for legal work > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Alice > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > Manager > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > P.O. Box 980419 > MCV Station > Richmond, VA 23298 > > apeay@... > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > -------------------------------------- > VCU Health System > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I have helped law firms prepare cases for trial, and therefore I know how much time it takes to prepare for a case. I agree with you that $300 is very reasonable. Sumesh Hamilton Physical Therapy ________________________________ To: " PTManager " <PTManager > Cc: " PTManager " <PTManager > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Fee for legal work  In not really wanting to do the legal work, I told the attorney that requested it $300/hour. They paid it without question. I charged that for deposition time, document review time, and court time. Adam P. Carson, DPT, OCS 3231 Main Street, Suite 3 , AR 72022 www.carsonphysicaltherapy.com > Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. > > Drilling,PT > > Fee for legal work > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Alice > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > Manager > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > P.O. Box 980419 > MCV Station > Richmond, VA 23298 > > apeay@... > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > -------------------------------------- > VCU Health System > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I know that chiropractors charge $500/ hour for the same services. Edilia Gualdron, DPT > > In not really wanting to do the legal work, I told the attorney that > requested it $300/hour. They paid it without question. I charged that > for deposition time, document review time, and court time. > > Adam P. Carson, DPT, OCS > 3231 Main Street, Suite 3 > , AR 72022 > www.carsonphysicaltherapy.com > > On Jul 16, 2012, at 6:59 PM, RayTrey@... > <mailto:RayTrey%40aol.com> wrote: > > > Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would > normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate > and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, > meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. > > > > Drilling,PT > > > > Fee for legal work > > > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is > required to > > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We > are > > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Alice > > > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > > Manager > > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > > P.O. Box 980419 > > MCV Station > > Richmond, VA 23298 > > > > apeay@... <mailto:apeay%40mcvh-vcu.edu> > > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this > message > > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly > > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it > from your > > computer. > > -------------------------------------- > > VCU Health System > > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I know that chiropractors charge $500/ hour for the same services. Edilia Gualdron, DPT > > In not really wanting to do the legal work, I told the attorney that > requested it $300/hour. They paid it without question. I charged that > for deposition time, document review time, and court time. > > Adam P. Carson, DPT, OCS > 3231 Main Street, Suite 3 > , AR 72022 > www.carsonphysicaltherapy.com > > On Jul 16, 2012, at 6:59 PM, RayTrey@... > <mailto:RayTrey%40aol.com> wrote: > > > Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would > normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate > and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, > meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. > > > > Drilling,PT > > > > Fee for legal work > > > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is > required to > > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We > are > > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Alice > > > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > > Manager > > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > > P.O. Box 980419 > > MCV Station > > Richmond, VA 23298 > > > > apeay@... <mailto:apeay%40mcvh-vcu.edu> > > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this > message > > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly > > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it > from your > > computer. > > -------------------------------------- > > VCU Health System > > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I know that chiropractors in CT charge $500/hour for the same services. Edilia Gualdron, DPT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I do a fair amount of legal work mostly in malpractice cases and low speed whiplash cases. You need to keep track of all expenses and time involved. You can bill for phone calls, conferences, depositions, court time, travel, lodging, meals, copying, stamps, etc. It is not always proper to base your charges on what others with similar expertise are charging. There are two common and accepted procedures. 1. Divide annual gross income by the hours worked to come to an hourly rate. 2. select one professional activity in your office or elsewhere and charge what you charge for that procedure. In my case, I teach many courses for which I get compensated. The hourly rate of some courses exceeds my hourly rate in the office. I could use my office hourly rate for reimbursement or I could take my teaching reimbursement to determine my legal charges. A dentists who can prepare a crown and do two fillings in an hour can charge whatever that would cost, i.e., $1400 for the crown and $180 for the two fillings would come to a legal hourly fee of $1,580. A judge may request to lower the fee, but generally, we get paid what we charge. Method two usually ends up with a higher charge. As a PT it all depends on your hourly charges. It is customary and acceptable to charge a 20-25% increase over the hourly rate for depositions. I think you need to demand payment before the deposition or day in court starts. We charge a minimum of 4 hours for a deposition payable in full before the deposition starts and a minimum of 8 hours for a court appearance also payable in full before the actual court date. If you do not get paid before either, make sure that during the deposition/court appearance you mention that you have not yet been paid. That puts it in the court transcripts and allows you to go to the judge if the attorney does not pay you afterwards. Also make sure that you always state that you are being paid for your professional time and not to express a certain opinion. Jan Dommerholt Bethesda Physiocare / Myopain Seminars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Have billed out $350/hr for reviews and anything out of office is door to door. irstackedsig3 Mark Niles PT, MS, CSCS Integrated Rehab. PA mniles@... 954-816.1029 fax This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the addressee. It may contain information which is legally privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, use, or any action or reliance on this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone () or by return e-mail and delete the message, along with any attachments From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Sumesh Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:40 PM To: PTManager Subject: Re: Fee for legal work I have helped law firms prepare cases for trial, and therefore I know how much time it takes to prepare for a case. I agree with you that $300 is very reasonable. Sumesh Hamilton Physical Therapy ________________________________ From: Apcarson <APCarson@... <mailto:APCarson%40yahoo.com> > To: " PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com> " <PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com> > Cc: " PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com> " <PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Fee for legal work In not really wanting to do the legal work, I told the attorney that requested it $300/hour. They paid it without question. I charged that for deposition time, document review time, and court time. Adam P. Carson, DPT, OCS 3231 Main Street, Suite 3 , AR 72022 www.carsonphysicaltherapy.com On Jul 16, 2012, at 6:59 PM, RayTrey@... <mailto:RayTrey%40aol.com> wrote: > Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. > > Drilling,PT > > Fee for legal work > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Alice > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > Manager > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > P.O. Box 980419 > MCV Station > Richmond, VA 23298 > > apeay@... <mailto:apeay%40mcvh-vcu.edu> > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > -------------------------------------- > VCU Health System > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Have billed out $350/hr for reviews and anything out of office is door to door. irstackedsig3 Mark Niles PT, MS, CSCS Integrated Rehab. PA mniles@... 954-816.1029 fax This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the addressee. It may contain information which is legally privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, use, or any action or reliance on this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone () or by return e-mail and delete the message, along with any attachments From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of Sumesh Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:40 PM To: PTManager Subject: Re: Fee for legal work I have helped law firms prepare cases for trial, and therefore I know how much time it takes to prepare for a case. I agree with you that $300 is very reasonable. Sumesh Hamilton Physical Therapy ________________________________ From: Apcarson <APCarson@... <mailto:APCarson%40yahoo.com> > To: " PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com> " <PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com> > Cc: " PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com> " <PTManager <mailto:PTManager%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Fee for legal work In not really wanting to do the legal work, I told the attorney that requested it $300/hour. They paid it without question. I charged that for deposition time, document review time, and court time. Adam P. Carson, DPT, OCS 3231 Main Street, Suite 3 , AR 72022 www.carsonphysicaltherapy.com On Jul 16, 2012, at 6:59 PM, RayTrey@... <mailto:RayTrey%40aol.com> wrote: > Alice, we figured the cost of salary and what the therapist would normally bill during the time away from work. We used the hourly rate and applied it to all aspects of the case; from reviewing records, meeting with the attorney, travel time and court time. > > Drilling,PT > > Fee for legal work > > Are any of you willing to share what you charge when a PT is required to > meet with a lawyer, testify in court etc. regarding patient care? We are > having more of these coming through and our legal department is saying > that it is up to us what we will charge. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Alice > > Alice M. Peay PT, DPT, MS > Manager > Inpatient Physical Therapy Services > P.O. Box 980419 > MCV Station > Richmond, VA 23298 > > apeay@... <mailto:apeay%40mcvh-vcu.edu> > NOTE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your > computer. > -------------------------------------- > VCU Health System > http://www.vcuhealth.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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