Re: Something to think about

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I know you meant no offense by posting this, but I’m not sure if this is the

place to do it. We all have our opinions, and they may differ or conflict, but

that is beside the point. I’m on this list to basically talk about WLS. I

really don’t want to be a “pooper, “ but I have a hard enough time reading all

the posts that it just gets over whelming to sift through messages that have

are off topic.

I understand where you’re coming from, and I want to be sensitive to those

post off-topic when they need help of advice in other areas of their lives. I

appreciate that. I’m just hoping that we can limit general posts like this

that don’t address a specific situation.

Thanks for listening.

- Alice A.

Ring wrote:

> I got this in my email today everyone, and it really made me think. I hope

> it doesn't offend anyone. If it does, I apologize

>

>

>

> > >Dear God,

> > > >Why didn't you save the school children in Littleton,

> > > >Colorado?

> > > >

> > > >Sincerely, Concerned Student

> > > >

> > > >Dear Concerned Student,

> > > >I am not allowed in schools.

> > > >

> > > >Sincerely, God

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray

> > > >O'Hare complained she didn't want any prayer in our

> > > >schools.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, OK...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in

> > > >school, the Bible that says " thou shalt not kill, thou

> > > >shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. "

> > > >

> > > >And we said, OK...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Dr. Spock said we shouldn't spank our

> > > >children when they misbehave because their little

> > > >personalities would be warped and we might damage

> > > >their self-esteem.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, an expert should know what he's talking

> > > >about so we won't spank them anymore...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then someone said teachers and principals better not

> > > >discipline our children when they misbehave. And the

> > > >school administrators said no faculty member in this

> > > >school better touch a student when they misbehave

> > > >because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely

> > > >don't want to be sued.

> > > >

> > > >And we accepted their reasoning...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then someone said, let's let our daughters have

> > > >abortions if they want, and they won't even have to

> > > >tell their parents.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, that's a grand idea...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then some wise school board member said, since boys

> > > >will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's

> > > >give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can

> > > >have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to

> > > >tell their parents they got them at school.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, that's another great idea...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't

> > > >matter what we do in private as long as we do our

> > > >jobs.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, it doesn't matter what anybody, including

> > > >the President, does in private as long as we have jobs

> > > >and the economy is good...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >And then someone said let's print magazines with

> > > >pictures of nude women and call it wholesome

> > > >down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the

> > > >female body.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, we have no problem with that...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >And someone else took that appreciation a step further

> > > >and published pictures of nude children and then

> > > >stepped further still by making them available on the

> > > >Internet.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, everyone's entitled to free speech...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV

> > > >shows and movies that promote profanity, violence and

> > > >illicit sex... And let's record music that encourages

> > > >rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes...

> > > >

> > > >And we said, it's just entertainment and it has no

> > > >adverse effect and nobody takes it seriously anyway,

> > > >so go right ahead...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no

> > > >conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and

> > > >why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers,

> > > >classmates or even themselves.

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Undoubtedly, if we thought about it long and hard

> > > >enough, we could figure it out. I'm sure it has a

> > > >great deal to do with...

> > > >

> > > > " WE REAP WHAT WE SOW. "

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Pass it on if you think it has merit! If not then just

> > > >discard it...but if you discard this thought process,

> > > >then don't you dare sit back and complain about what

> > > >bad shape this world is in...

> > > >

> > > >VOICE YOUR OPINION HOWEVER YOU CAN!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I understand :-) A lot of things go through our heads before surgery, and I

think it helps to get all these thoughts in order.

Hugs,

Alice

Ring wrote:

> Okay, I'm sorry. I have just been doing a lot of thinking lately, and with

> me having surgery in a week, I guess I am focusing a lot on my daughter, my

> only child, and this world we live in. I apologize, and I will remember in

> the future to try to limit talk to WLS.

>

> Thanks for pointing it out to me

>

>

> Re: Something to think about

>

> Hi ,

>

> I know you meant no offense by posting this, but I’m not sure if this is the

> place to do it. We all have our opinions, and they may differ or conflict,

> but

> that is beside the point. I’m on this list to basically talk about WLS. I

> really don’t want to be a “pooper, “ but I have a hard enough time reading

> all

> the posts that it just gets over whelming to sift through messages that have

> are off topic.

>

> I understand where you’re coming from, and I want to be sensitive to those

> post off-topic when they need help of advice in other areas of their lives.

> I

> appreciate that. I’m just hoping that we can limit general posts like this

> that don’t address a specific situation.

>

> Thanks for listening.

>

> - Alice A.

>

> Ring wrote:

>

> > I got this in my email today everyone, and it really made me think. I

> hope

> > it doesn't offend anyone. If it does, I apologize

> >

> >

> >

> > > >Dear God,

> > > > >Why didn't you save the school children in Littleton,

> > > > >Colorado?

> > > > >

> > > > >Sincerely, Concerned Student

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear Concerned Student,

> > > > >I am not allowed in schools.

> > > > >

> > > > >Sincerely, God

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray

> > > > >O'Hare complained she didn't want any prayer in our

> > > > >schools.

> > > > >

> > > > >And we said, OK...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in

> > > > >school, the Bible that says " thou shalt not kill, thou

> > > > >shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. "

> > > > >

> > > > >And we said, OK...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Dr. Spock said we shouldn't spank our

> > > > >children when they misbehave because their little

> > > > >personalities would be warped and we might damage

> > > > >their self-esteem.

> > > > >

> > > > >And we said, an expert should know what he's talking

> > > > >about so we won't spank them anymore...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Then someone said teachers and principals better not

> > > > >discipline our children when they misbehave. And the

> > > > >school administrators said no faculty member in this

> > > > >school better touch a student when they misbehave

> > > > >because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely

> > > > >don't want to be sued.

> > > > >

> > > > >And we accepted their reasoning...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Then someone said, let's let our daughters have

> > > > >abortions if they want, and they won't even have to

> > > > >tell their parents.

> > > > >

> > > > >And we said, that's a grand idea...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Then some wise school board member said, since boys

> > > > >will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's

> > > > >give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can

> > > > >have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to

> > > > >tell their parents they got them at school.

> > > > >

> > > > >And we said, that's another great idea...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't

> > > > >matter what we do in private as long as we do our

> > > > >jobs.

> > > > >

> > > > >And we said, it doesn't matter what anybody, including

> > > > >the President, does in private as long as we have jobs

> > > > >and the economy is good...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >And then someone said let's print magazines with

> > > > >pictures of nude women and call it wholesome

> > > > >down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the

> > > > >female body.

> > > > >

> > > > >And we said, we have no problem with that...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >And someone else took that appreciation a step further

> > > > >and published pictures of nude children and then

> > > > >stepped further still by making them available on the

> > > > >Internet.

> > > > >

> > > > >And we said, everyone's entitled to free speech...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV

> > > > >shows and movies that promote profanity, violence and

> > > > >illicit sex... And let's record music that encourages

> > > > >rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes...

> > > > >

> > > > >And we said, it's just entertainment and it has no

> > > > >adverse effect and nobody takes it seriously anyway,

> > > > >so go right ahead...

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no

> > > > >conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and

> > > > >why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers,

> > > > >classmates or even themselves.

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Undoubtedly, if we thought about it long and hard

> > > > >enough, we could figure it out. I'm sure it has a

> > > > >great deal to do with...

> > > > >

> > > > > " WE REAP WHAT WE SOW. "

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >Pass it on if you think it has merit! If not then just

> > > > >discard it...but if you discard this thought process,

> > > > >then don't you dare sit back and complain about what

> > > > >bad shape this world is in...

> > > > >

> > > > >VOICE YOUR OPINION HOWEVER YOU CAN!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Okay, I'm sorry. I have just been doing a lot of thinking lately, and with

me having surgery in a week, I guess I am focusing a lot on my daughter, my

only child, and this world we live in. I apologize, and I will remember in

the future to try to limit talk to WLS.

Thanks for pointing it out to me

Re: Something to think about

Hi ,

I know you meant no offense by posting this, but I’m not sure if this is the

place to do it. We all have our opinions, and they may differ or conflict,

but

that is beside the point. I’m on this list to basically talk about WLS. I

really don’t want to be a “pooper, “ but I have a hard enough time reading

all

the posts that it just gets over whelming to sift through messages that have

are off topic.

I understand where you’re coming from, and I want to be sensitive to those

post off-topic when they need help of advice in other areas of their lives.

I

appreciate that. I’m just hoping that we can limit general posts like this

that don’t address a specific situation.

Thanks for listening.

- Alice A.

Ring wrote:

> I got this in my email today everyone, and it really made me think. I

hope

> it doesn't offend anyone. If it does, I apologize

>

>

>

> > >Dear God,

> > > >Why didn't you save the school children in Littleton,

> > > >Colorado?

> > > >

> > > >Sincerely, Concerned Student

> > > >

> > > >Dear Concerned Student,

> > > >I am not allowed in schools.

> > > >

> > > >Sincerely, God

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray

> > > >O'Hare complained she didn't want any prayer in our

> > > >schools.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, OK...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in

> > > >school, the Bible that says " thou shalt not kill, thou

> > > >shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. "

> > > >

> > > >And we said, OK...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Dr. Spock said we shouldn't spank our

> > > >children when they misbehave because their little

> > > >personalities would be warped and we might damage

> > > >their self-esteem.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, an expert should know what he's talking

> > > >about so we won't spank them anymore...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then someone said teachers and principals better not

> > > >discipline our children when they misbehave. And the

> > > >school administrators said no faculty member in this

> > > >school better touch a student when they misbehave

> > > >because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely

> > > >don't want to be sued.

> > > >

> > > >And we accepted their reasoning...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then someone said, let's let our daughters have

> > > >abortions if they want, and they won't even have to

> > > >tell their parents.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, that's a grand idea...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then some wise school board member said, since boys

> > > >will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's

> > > >give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can

> > > >have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to

> > > >tell their parents they got them at school.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, that's another great idea...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't

> > > >matter what we do in private as long as we do our

> > > >jobs.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, it doesn't matter what anybody, including

> > > >the President, does in private as long as we have jobs

> > > >and the economy is good...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >And then someone said let's print magazines with

> > > >pictures of nude women and call it wholesome

> > > >down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the

> > > >female body.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, we have no problem with that...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >And someone else took that appreciation a step further

> > > >and published pictures of nude children and then

> > > >stepped further still by making them available on the

> > > >Internet.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, everyone's entitled to free speech...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV

> > > >shows and movies that promote profanity, violence and

> > > >illicit sex... And let's record music that encourages

> > > >rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes...

> > > >

> > > >And we said, it's just entertainment and it has no

> > > >adverse effect and nobody takes it seriously anyway,

> > > >so go right ahead...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no

> > > >conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and

> > > >why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers,

> > > >classmates or even themselves.

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Undoubtedly, if we thought about it long and hard

> > > >enough, we could figure it out. I'm sure it has a

> > > >great deal to do with...

> > > >

> > > > " WE REAP WHAT WE SOW. "

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Pass it on if you think it has merit! If not then just

> > > >discard it...but if you discard this thought process,

> > > >then don't you dare sit back and complain about what

> > > >bad shape this world is in...

> > > >

> > > >VOICE YOUR OPINION HOWEVER YOU CAN!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alice,

I'm not trying to step on any toes, however, this list is for WLS being the

obvious major focus, but I think we all need to share some stories, jokes at

times, as well as just " notes " once in a while. One thing I find, is when

sifting thru mail, if the subject line isn't something I want to read, I

delete it.

Please don't get me wrong, you are right in choosing this site as support,

but sometimes in my opinion, always talking about the same topics can get

kind of boring (at least for me), and we all have our days when we need a

chuckle or two to survive. I know personally for me, I appreciate reading

various posts unrelated to WLS, it helps me to learn more about that person,

and how they approach various topics, jokes, life, etc..

Again, I'm am NOT trying to be objective, I just feel differently than some.

Dawn

Re: Something to think about

Hi ,

I know you meant no offense by posting this, but I’m not sure if this is the

place to do it. We all have our opinions, and they may differ or conflict,

but

that is beside the point. I’m on this list to basically talk about WLS. I

really don’t want to be a “pooper, “ but I have a hard enough time reading

all

the posts that it just gets over whelming to sift through messages that have

are off topic.

I understand where you’re coming from, and I want to be sensitive to those

post off-topic when they need help of advice in other areas of their lives.

I

appreciate that. I’m just hoping that we can limit general posts like this

that don’t address a specific situation.

Thanks for listening.

- Alice A.

Ring wrote:

> I got this in my email today everyone, and it really made me think. I

hope

> it doesn't offend anyone. If it does, I apologize

>

>

>

> > >Dear God,

> > > >Why didn't you save the school children in Littleton,

> > > >Colorado?

> > > >

> > > >Sincerely, Concerned Student

> > > >

> > > >Dear Concerned Student,

> > > >I am not allowed in schools.

> > > >

> > > >Sincerely, God

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray

> > > >O'Hare complained she didn't want any prayer in our

> > > >schools.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, OK...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in

> > > >school, the Bible that says " thou shalt not kill, thou

> > > >shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. "

> > > >

> > > >And we said, OK...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Dr. Spock said we shouldn't spank our

> > > >children when they misbehave because their little

> > > >personalities would be warped and we might damage

> > > >their self-esteem.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, an expert should know what he's talking

> > > >about so we won't spank them anymore...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then someone said teachers and principals better not

> > > >discipline our children when they misbehave. And the

> > > >school administrators said no faculty member in this

> > > >school better touch a student when they misbehave

> > > >because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely

> > > >don't want to be sued.

> > > >

> > > >And we accepted their reasoning...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then someone said, let's let our daughters have

> > > >abortions if they want, and they won't even have to

> > > >tell their parents.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, that's a grand idea...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then some wise school board member said, since boys

> > > >will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's

> > > >give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can

> > > >have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to

> > > >tell their parents they got them at school.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, that's another great idea...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't

> > > >matter what we do in private as long as we do our

> > > >jobs.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, it doesn't matter what anybody, including

> > > >the President, does in private as long as we have jobs

> > > >and the economy is good...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >And then someone said let's print magazines with

> > > >pictures of nude women and call it wholesome

> > > >down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the

> > > >female body.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, we have no problem with that...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >And someone else took that appreciation a step further

> > > >and published pictures of nude children and then

> > > >stepped further still by making them available on the

> > > >Internet.

> > > >

> > > >And we said, everyone's entitled to free speech...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV

> > > >shows and movies that promote profanity, violence and

> > > >illicit sex... And let's record music that encourages

> > > >rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes...

> > > >

> > > >And we said, it's just entertainment and it has no

> > > >adverse effect and nobody takes it seriously anyway,

> > > >so go right ahead...

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no

> > > >conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and

> > > >why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers,

> > > >classmates or even themselves.

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Undoubtedly, if we thought about it long and hard

> > > >enough, we could figure it out. I'm sure it has a

> > > >great deal to do with...

> > > >

> > > > " WE REAP WHAT WE SOW. "

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >Pass it on if you think it has merit! If not then just

> > > >discard it...but if you discard this thought process,

> > > >then don't you dare sit back and complain about what

> > > >bad shape this world is in...

> > > >

> > > >VOICE YOUR OPINION HOWEVER YOU CAN!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

>

>

>