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> Lori wrote:

> Is there any way for doctors to find dementia or Alzheimer's conclusively or

is diagnosis still symptom based?

> Due to my memory challenges and cognitive trouble, my former neurologist in

Akron had me on an Alzheimer's med (it was Aircept or something like that. My

pcp said it was a risky med and felt I should discontinue it, so after a couple

years I did stop taking it.

Lori,

Some of our meds give us some fogs of the brain and yes I had tremors and was

sent to elder-care doctor. He wanted to put me on Abilify that has the same bad

effects, not worth going on to take it.

Getting a baseline brain MRI would be beneficial as Parkinson and brain small

vessel disease that causes dementia, will show plaque on the brain. Here are

some of the neurological testing they do

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alzheimers-disease/DS00161/DSECTION=tests-and-d\

iagnosis you could complete and then re do every so often to see if you are

digressing or staying the same.

I have been told doing Sudoko, Crossword Puzzles, Word Puzzles, help keep your

memory going. Memory games you find online or hand coordination games. A friend

of mine got it from mental health medication she was on for years and she has

small vessel disease of the brain and she became incompetent without knowing she

pees and that is part of the neurological process, she has a unbalanced gait,

slurred speech, and tremors. She gets lost and cannot write addition but still

does it in her head.

I think having a baseline would help you so you can monitor yourself. Be sure

to check you current meds and see if any of the side effects would effect your

cognitive abilities, many do and I take them also. Good luck Lori and am glad

you are off Aricept, don't take it until you really need it and start playing

scrabble, I do Bennie

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---lorijkarasek@... wrote:

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> Is there any way for doctors to find dementia or Alzheimers conclusively or is

diagnosis still symptom based?

Hi Lori -

The diagnosis is still symptom based. The only definitive " test " is a brain

autopsy - not really much help in diagnosing the living!

Cheryl in AZ

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If a patient has mild cognitive impairment that points to dementia (Alzheimer's)

then they do an MRI of the brain.  There are certain changes in the brain that

will get worse as time goes on if it's Alzheimer's.

You can google Alzheimer's brain images to see examples.

http://tinyurl.com/cw8n9wm

My husband is getting his MRI soon and then in a year or so they will do

another, as well as more of the cognitive testing that gave him the diagnosis of

mild cognitive impairment. 

Alzheimer's can be a slower progressing or faster progressing type, but of

course the end is the same. 

We hope for a cure soon.

Jennette

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> Lori wrote:

> Is there any way for doctors to find dementia or Alzheimers conclusively or is

diagnosis still symptom based?

All, THIS WHAT I FOUND. BENNIE

hffp//www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071101122822.htm

The scan, FDG-PET, helped six doctors from three national Alzheimer's disease

centers correctly diagnose frontotemporal dementia (FTD) and Alzheimer's in

almost 90 percent of cases in the study--an improvement of as much as 14 percent

from usual clinical diagnostic methods. FDG stands for fluorodeoxyglucose, a

short-lived radioactive form of sugar injected into people during PET scans to

show activity levels in different parts of the brain. In Alzheimer's, low

activity is mostly in the back part of the brain; in FTD, low activity is mostly

in the front of the brain.

On this page also :

Is It Alzheimer's Disease or Another Dementia? Marker May Give More Accurate

Diagnosis (Nov. 30, 2011) New research finds a marker used to detect plaque in

the brain may help doctors make a more accurate diagnosis between two common

types of dementia -- Alzheimer's disease and frontotemporal lobar

PET Scans May Improve Accuracy Of Dementia Diagnosis (June 15, 2009) A new

study shows that the use of positron emission tomography (PET) scans may improve

the accuracy of dementia diagnoses early in disease onset for more than one out

of four

PET Scans May Help Assess Presence Of Brain Plaques Related To Alzheimer's

Disease (Aug. 11, 2008) A type of positron emission tomography scanning may be

useful in a noninvasive assessment of the formation of Alzheimer's

disease-related plaques in the brain, according to small study posted online

PET Effectively Detects Dementia, Decade of Research Shows (Jan. 7, 2012)

Scientists find that a method of positron emission tomography safely and

accurately detects dementia, including the most common and devastating form

among the elderly, Alzheimer's

New Research Supports Upcoming Alzheimer's Disease Guidelines (Aug. 1, 2011) Two

new studies provide insight into the potential of positron emission tomography

(PET) to differentiate between types of dementia and to identify pharmaceuticals

to slow the progress of dementia.

Okay not trying to rival this but the plaques on the brain are one of the

indicators and can be seen on MRI's but PET Scans have been showing this up in

early 2000. Hope this helps Bennie

Alzheimers Disease (Part of this article confuses me as it says plaques cannot

be determined until autopsy, Doctors do use the plaques on Brain which show up

in MS also and other diseases.

Alzheimer's disease (AD) is the most common form of dementia. It is a

progressive, degenerative disease of the brain, affecting up to 5% of people

aged 65-74, increasing to up to 50% of people aged over 85 years. **check these

stats seems pretty high.

The main features of AD are the amyloid plaques and tangled neuronal fibres that

disrupt the normal organization and function of the brain. These initially

appear in the temporal lobe of the brain, the area that is responsible for

memory and language. Thus, memory problems are often the first indicator of AD.

Because the presence of plaques and tangles cannot be determined until autopsy,

diagnosis is made based on behavioral changes, memory tests and questionnaires

and elimination of other possible causes. Therefore, diagnosis is generally

given as dementia of the Alzheimers type or ˜probable Alzheimers Disease.

However, QEEG technology may be able to provide a more conclusive diagnosis,

particularly in the early stages which can start some 12 years before full blown

dementia. In those early stages the symptoms are referred to as Primary

Degenerative Dementia.

There are new clinical criteria for alzheimers as of April 2011 and gave some

conclusive diagnostic markers and how it is changed. I believe this is what

Jennette recommended also.

FAQ on New Guidelines for Alzheimer's Disease Diagnosis: Download it at the

following link:

www.alz.org/documents_custom/Alz_Diag_Criteria_FAQ.pdf

based chiefly on a doctor's clinical judgment about the cause of a patient's

symptoms, taking into account reports from the patient, family members and

friends,

Bennie

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