Guest guest Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 It's been a while since I stopped here for a visit. Once or twice this week, I've lurked a little, trying to decide whether I need to post something (and if so, what it might be), or whether simply reading your posts would suffice. I'm still not sure what the answer is, but I will say hello anyway! Overall, this past year has been uneventful for me. But lately, even among a supportive husband and group of " real-life " girlfriends who truly understand, I just felt the need to pop back in and read. This past year, my mother has been diagnosed with two major diseases. Both times, it is rather clear to me that she wants me to freak out about it. With her second diagnosis, she had my dad call my husband to tell him about it, supposedly because if they were to tell me, I'd be so worried that my milk would dry out (I'm nursing a baby)! When you step back from it, it's just mind-bogglingly funny. I have since talked about it with her, and I perceived that she was confused and disappointed that I would be so calm. That said, this second diagnosis (lymphoma), while still so small the team at the Mayo clinic (yes, my mother goes all the way across the country from Texas to visit the doctor, because the local ones just aren't good enough for her!) doesn't even want to treat it yet...well, it has made me face the fact that one of these days, she really will depart this life. It makes me feel a great mixture of things. I no longer yearn for that day the way I did before I started to learn to " detach with love. " I am sad for it, mostly because I am sorry that she has never been able to make herself happy. She has been a sad, confused person for as long as I remember, and I would really like her to find peace. I feel frustrated, because I would have loved for my relationship with my mother to be one of those warm-fuzzy ones that she still tries to pretend we have. And, I'm rather dreading the day she really does get sick and all the manipulation and clinging and fear that she will bring to the situation. And lately, she's really been pushing boundaries. Several years back, she used to beg me to send my kids up to stay with her for a week. I finally told her that was never going to happen, because I don't trust her to be alone with my kids, and that I wanted her to stop asking and to stop offering to babysit. The conversation ended with her crying, my dad telling me how wrong I was, and me hanging up and feeling anxious and relieved all at once. It worked for about a year, when we were at dinner and she leaned over and whispered to my 6-year-old that he should come stay with her for a week. I heard this--though she clearly thought she was being sneaky--and told her that was inappropriate, that we had already discussed that, and that the children would never be coming to stay with her. Which, predictably, again resulted in her bursting into uncontrollable tears. Then, about a month ago, we went with my parents to two restaurants. Both times, she managed to find something to cry about. The second time, she was triggered when she noticed my neighbor's house had been for sale, so she offered to move down here to " help " with my kids, driving them to school and such (We live a block from school and walk most days, but that doesn't matter in BPD-land). I was forced to reiterate the boundary yet again. Joy of joys. This time, the other adults had left the table, so it was just her and me, and she lashed out worse than she had in a long time. I used all the right strategies, did all the right things, gathered my family, and left. We have decided that we will not be eating out with her ever again. Anyway, I know this is just her new way of picking fights. She likes to do something that she knows will make me say something " ugly " so that when she feels badly, she can blame it on me instead of dealing with the deep dark pit within herself. This is the kind of thing I want so badly for her to figure out and fix before she's gone. I know I have no power or control over that. I know that I am a compassionate, loving, fun person, and that it is her choice not to see those traits. There is no way for me to help her or save her, because she doesn't want help or saving. She wants to pull me under with her, and I won't go. I have undergone most of the grief over the imaginary wonderful mother I wished I had and am gearing up for the day--even if it's still 10 or 20 years away--when I have to watch the real one suffer and then put her in the ground. Remembering that others of you have already done this is encouraging, and I am hoping to draw strength from your experiences. I am not excited about the possibility that my dad could go first, or that I will have more BPD traits to deal with when she becomes very ill, as some of you are experiencing right now. I like to think that I know what I'm doing--and in many ways I do, I have learned a lot since leaving the FOG--but there is still a lot to figure out. So, I guess it turns out that what I needed was to share. I think I will consider this a short visit back to the board, like a weekend holiday to see old friends. It is good to see both old names and new here. KT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 Thanks kte, Insightful words of wisdom. I am thankful that you shared. patinage > > It's been a while since I stopped here for a visit. Once or twice this week, I've lurked a little, trying to decide whether I need to post something (and if so, what it might be), or whether simply reading your posts would suffice. I'm still not sure what the answer is, but I will say hello anyway! > > Overall, this past year has been uneventful for me. But lately, even among a supportive husband and group of " real-life " girlfriends who truly understand, I just felt the need to pop back in and read. > > This past year, my mother has been diagnosed with two major diseases. Both times, it is rather clear to me that she wants me to freak out about it. With her second diagnosis, she had my dad call my husband to tell him about it, supposedly because if they were to tell me, I'd be so worried that my milk would dry out (I'm nursing a baby)! When you step back from it, it's just mind-bogglingly funny. I have since talked about it with her, and I perceived that she was confused and disappointed that I would be so calm. > > That said, this second diagnosis (lymphoma), while still so small the team at the Mayo clinic (yes, my mother goes all the way across the country from Texas to visit the doctor, because the local ones just aren't good enough for her!) doesn't even want to treat it yet...well, it has made me face the fact that one of these days, she really will depart this life. It makes me feel a great mixture of things. I no longer yearn for that day the way I did before I started to learn to " detach with love. " I am sad for it, mostly because I am sorry that she has never been able to make herself happy. She has been a sad, confused person for as long as I remember, and I would really like her to find peace. I feel frustrated, because I would have loved for my relationship with my mother to be one of those warm-fuzzy ones that she still tries to pretend we have. And, I'm rather dreading the day she really does get sick and all the manipulation and clinging and fear that she will bring to the situation. > > And lately, she's really been pushing boundaries. Several years back, she used to beg me to send my kids up to stay with her for a week. I finally told her that was never going to happen, because I don't trust her to be alone with my kids, and that I wanted her to stop asking and to stop offering to babysit. The conversation ended with her crying, my dad telling me how wrong I was, and me hanging up and feeling anxious and relieved all at once. It worked for about a year, when we were at dinner and she leaned over and whispered to my 6-year-old that he should come stay with her for a week. I heard this--though she clearly thought she was being sneaky--and told her that was inappropriate, that we had already discussed that, and that the children would never be coming to stay with her. Which, predictably, again resulted in her bursting into uncontrollable tears. Then, about a month ago, we went with my parents to two restaurants. Both times, she managed to find something to cry about. The second time, she was triggered when she noticed my neighbor's house had been for sale, so she offered to move down here to " help " with my kids, driving them to school and such (We live a block from school and walk most days, but that doesn't matter in BPD-land). I was forced to reiterate the boundary yet again. Joy of joys. This time, the other adults had left the table, so it was just her and me, and she lashed out worse than she had in a long time. I used all the right strategies, did all the right things, gathered my family, and left. We have decided that we will not be eating out with her ever again. > > Anyway, I know this is just her new way of picking fights. She likes to do something that she knows will make me say something " ugly " so that when she feels badly, she can blame it on me instead of dealing with the deep dark pit within herself. This is the kind of thing I want so badly for her to figure out and fix before she's gone. I know I have no power or control over that. I know that I am a compassionate, loving, fun person, and that it is her choice not to see those traits. There is no way for me to help her or save her, because she doesn't want help or saving. She wants to pull me under with her, and I won't go. > > I have undergone most of the grief over the imaginary wonderful mother I wished I had and am gearing up for the day--even if it's still 10 or 20 years away--when I have to watch the real one suffer and then put her in the ground. Remembering that others of you have already done this is encouraging, and I am hoping to draw strength from your experiences. I am not excited about the possibility that my dad could go first, or that I will have more BPD traits to deal with when she becomes very ill, as some of you are experiencing right now. I like to think that I know what I'm doing--and in many ways I do, I have learned a lot since leaving the FOG--but there is still a lot to figure out. > > So, I guess it turns out that what I needed was to share. I think I will consider this a short visit back to the board, like a weekend holiday to see old friends. It is good to see both old names and new here. > > KT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 it was good to read you share, you really seem to have a good handle on your situation with her.. mine, i dealt with by going nc.. saw her briefly before she died when she was in a nursing home (still her old self and in denial about everything that had happened, abuse and all as if by doing this it had never occurred).. i'm glad you will not be eating with her again.  best wishes, ann Subject: good to see you again To: WTOAdultChildren1 Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 7:00 PM  It's been a while since I stopped here for a visit. Once or twice this week, I've lurked a little, trying to decide whether I need to post something (and if so, what it might be), or whether simply reading your posts would suffice. I'm still not sure what the answer is, but I will say hello anyway! Overall, this past year has been uneventful for me. But lately, even among a supportive husband and group of " real-life " girlfriends who truly understand, I just felt the need to pop back in and read. This past year, my mother has been diagnosed with two major diseases. Both times, it is rather clear to me that she wants me to freak out about it. With her second diagnosis, she had my dad call my husband to tell him about it, supposedly because if they were to tell me, I'd be so worried that my milk would dry out (I'm nursing a baby)! When you step back from it, it's just mind-bogglingly funny. I have since talked about it with her, and I perceived that she was confused and disappointed that I would be so calm. That said, this second diagnosis (lymphoma), while still so small the team at the Mayo clinic (yes, my mother goes all the way across the country from Texas to visit the doctor, because the local ones just aren't good enough for her!) doesn't even want to treat it yet...well, it has made me face the fact that one of these days, she really will depart this life. It makes me feel a great mixture of things. I no longer yearn for that day the way I did before I started to learn to " detach with love. " I am sad for it, mostly because I am sorry that she has never been able to make herself happy. She has been a sad, confused person for as long as I remember, and I would really like her to find peace. I feel frustrated, because I would have loved for my relationship with my mother to be one of those warm-fuzzy ones that she still tries to pretend we have. And, I'm rather dreading the day she really does get sick and all the manipulation and clinging and fear that she will bring to the situation. And lately, she's really been pushing boundaries. Several years back, she used to beg me to send my kids up to stay with her for a week. I finally told her that was never going to happen, because I don't trust her to be alone with my kids, and that I wanted her to stop asking and to stop offering to babysit. The conversation ended with her crying, my dad telling me how wrong I was, and me hanging up and feeling anxious and relieved all at once. It worked for about a year, when we were at dinner and she leaned over and whispered to my 6-year-old that he should come stay with her for a week. I heard this--though she clearly thought she was being sneaky--and told her that was inappropriate, that we had already discussed that, and that the children would never be coming to stay with her. Which, predictably, again resulted in her bursting into uncontrollable tears. Then, about a month ago, we went with my parents to two restaurants. Both times, she managed to find something to cry about. The second time, she was triggered when she noticed my neighbor's house had been for sale, so she offered to move down here to " help " with my kids, driving them to school and such (We live a block from school and walk most days, but that doesn't matter in BPD-land). I was forced to reiterate the boundary yet again. Joy of joys. This time, the other adults had left the table, so it was just her and me, and she lashed out worse than she had in a long time. I used all the right strategies, did all the right things, gathered my family, and left. We have decided that we will not be eating out with her ever again. Anyway, I know this is just her new way of picking fights. She likes to do something that she knows will make me say something " ugly " so that when she feels badly, she can blame it on me instead of dealing with the deep dark pit within herself. This is the kind of thing I want so badly for her to figure out and fix before she's gone. I know I have no power or control over that. I know that I am a compassionate, loving, fun person, and that it is her choice not to see those traits. There is no way for me to help her or save her, because she doesn't want help or saving. She wants to pull me under with her, and I won't go. I have undergone most of the grief over the imaginary wonderful mother I wished I had and am gearing up for the day--even if it's still 10 or 20 years away--when I have to watch the real one suffer and then put her in the ground. Remembering that others of you have already done this is encouraging, and I am hoping to draw strength from your experiences. I am not excited about the possibility that my dad could go first, or that I will have more BPD traits to deal with when she becomes very ill, as some of you are experiencing right now. I like to think that I know what I'm doing--and in many ways I do, I have learned a lot since leaving the FOG--but there is still a lot to figure out. So, I guess it turns out that what I needed was to share. I think I will consider this a short visit back to the board, like a weekend holiday to see old friends. It is good to see both old names and new here. KT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 Thanks to everyone for the support and feedback this weekend. It has been a great visit! I wish you all peace and joy. If you ever would like to send a personal message, just put WTO in the subject so I don't think you're spam ;-) Until next time, KT > > It's been a while since I stopped here for a visit. Once or twice this week, I've lurked a little, trying to decide whether I need to post something (and if so, what it might be), or whether simply reading your posts would suffice. I'm still not sure what the answer is, but I will say hello anyway! > > Overall, this past year has been uneventful for me. But lately, even among a supportive husband and group of " real-life " girlfriends who truly understand, I just felt the need to pop back in and read. > > This past year, my mother has been diagnosed with two major diseases. Both times, it is rather clear to me that she wants me to freak out about it. With her second diagnosis, she had my dad call my husband to tell him about it, supposedly because if they were to tell me, I'd be so worried that my milk would dry out (I'm nursing a baby)! When you step back from it, it's just mind-bogglingly funny. I have since talked about it with her, and I perceived that she was confused and disappointed that I would be so calm. > > That said, this second diagnosis (lymphoma), while still so small the team at the Mayo clinic (yes, my mother goes all the way across the country from Texas to visit the doctor, because the local ones just aren't good enough for her!) doesn't even want to treat it yet...well, it has made me face the fact that one of these days, she really will depart this life. It makes me feel a great mixture of things. I no longer yearn for that day the way I did before I started to learn to " detach with love. " I am sad for it, mostly because I am sorry that she has never been able to make herself happy. She has been a sad, confused person for as long as I remember, and I would really like her to find peace. I feel frustrated, because I would have loved for my relationship with my mother to be one of those warm-fuzzy ones that she still tries to pretend we have. And, I'm rather dreading the day she really does get sick and all the manipulation and clinging and fear that she will bring to the situation. > > And lately, she's really been pushing boundaries. Several years back, she used to beg me to send my kids up to stay with her for a week. I finally told her that was never going to happen, because I don't trust her to be alone with my kids, and that I wanted her to stop asking and to stop offering to babysit. The conversation ended with her crying, my dad telling me how wrong I was, and me hanging up and feeling anxious and relieved all at once. It worked for about a year, when we were at dinner and she leaned over and whispered to my 6-year-old that he should come stay with her for a week. I heard this--though she clearly thought she was being sneaky--and told her that was inappropriate, that we had already discussed that, and that the children would never be coming to stay with her. Which, predictably, again resulted in her bursting into uncontrollable tears. Then, about a month ago, we went with my parents to two restaurants. Both times, she managed to find something to cry about. The second time, she was triggered when she noticed my neighbor's house had been for sale, so she offered to move down here to " help " with my kids, driving them to school and such (We live a block from school and walk most days, but that doesn't matter in BPD-land). I was forced to reiterate the boundary yet again. Joy of joys. This time, the other adults had left the table, so it was just her and me, and she lashed out worse than she had in a long time. I used all the right strategies, did all the right things, gathered my family, and left. We have decided that we will not be eating out with her ever again. > > Anyway, I know this is just her new way of picking fights. She likes to do something that she knows will make me say something " ugly " so that when she feels badly, she can blame it on me instead of dealing with the deep dark pit within herself. This is the kind of thing I want so badly for her to figure out and fix before she's gone. I know I have no power or control over that. I know that I am a compassionate, loving, fun person, and that it is her choice not to see those traits. There is no way for me to help her or save her, because she doesn't want help or saving. She wants to pull me under with her, and I won't go. > > I have undergone most of the grief over the imaginary wonderful mother I wished I had and am gearing up for the day--even if it's still 10 or 20 years away--when I have to watch the real one suffer and then put her in the ground. Remembering that others of you have already done this is encouraging, and I am hoping to draw strength from your experiences. I am not excited about the possibility that my dad could go first, or that I will have more BPD traits to deal with when she becomes very ill, as some of you are experiencing right now. I like to think that I know what I'm doing--and in many ways I do, I have learned a lot since leaving the FOG--but there is still a lot to figure out. > > So, I guess it turns out that what I needed was to share. I think I will consider this a short visit back to the board, like a weekend holiday to see old friends. It is good to see both old names and new here. > > KT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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