Re: One last post for the night - milk thistle

[Guest guest]

I haven't got a clear answer on the milk thistle,

but the acetominophen depletes glutathione.

Dave

>

> My husband, who knows pretty much nothing about chelation or autism stuff

> other than what I feed to him, is interested in giving my son(3.5) milk

> thistle. This was his idea last week, unrelated to autism, just because we

> give my son tylenol " a lot " (I don't think so, but he does) I was worried

> about giving it to a pre-schooler until I saw that it was effective in

> drawing out mercury too.

>

> My son didn't have regressive symptoms, but then again we are

> slow-vaccinators, so I wouldn't really think the vax were the reason for his

> odd behavior. (I am more thinking it's a b12 deficiency/poor absorption)

>

> Since I have seen the milk thistle being used for autism now, can you tell

> me the negative side effects your child experienced while it was drawing out

> toxins? Right now his " unacceptable behaviors " are running away and escaping

> from pre-k, in general not-listening/lack of discipline, mouthing any object

> (including the licking behavior I mentioned earlier today) He toe-walks and

> has food aversions, but these are not big deals here. (The food aversions

> I've been able to work with him on but that might be due to the b12 supp??)

>

> --

> Toni

>

[Guest guest]

My son takes Milk Thistle with his protocol. The liver can get overloaded if you do to much so that's were the milk thistle comes in. It basically helps the liver. My son is 20 months old and he gets one capsule milk thistle 100 mg from kirkman a night. Again I would try to ask your doctor also, I personally don't feel comfortable enough to really tell people what to take. But Milk thistle really just helps the liver in the process of detoxing.... lots of water also I would reccomend.

NO TYLENOL.... I would use motrin if you have to. Tylenol shuts down the detoxification pathways in the liver which rids the body of poisons.....

That was one of the first things I learned. Tylenol is just no good for our kids. Of course if your at a point were you have no choice to use it, then use it but I would stick with Motrin. And make sure its dye free motrin. I'm not sure if your son can take regular motrin but I know they had a recent recall at mcneill so check that also.

One last post for the night - milk thistle

My husband, who knows pretty much nothing about chelation or autism stuff other than what I feed to him, is interested in giving my son(3.5) milk thistle. This was his idea last week, unrelated to autism, just because we give my son tylenol "a lot" (I don't think so, but he does) I was worried about giving it to a pre-schooler until I saw that it was effective in drawing out mercury too.

My son didn't have regressive symptoms, but then again we are slow-vaccinators, so I wouldn't really think the vax were the reason for his odd behavior. (I am more thinking it's a b12 deficiency/poor absorption)

Since I have seen the milk thistle being used for autism now, can you tell me the negative side effects your child experienced while it was drawing out toxins? Right now his "unacceptable behaviors" are running away and escaping from pre-k, in general not-listening/lack of discipline, mouthing any object (including the licking behavior I mentioned earlier today) He toe-walks and has food aversions, but these are not big deals here. (The food aversions I've been able to work with him on but that might be due to the b12 supp??)

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Toni

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I will make sure I stick to motrin (when he's really sick we give him motrin-tylenol to keep the fever down)I have been giving him a reduced dose when it's bedtime and he's got an elevated temp, to hopefully avoid the febrile seizure. 98.5 is elevated for him; he's had a seizure at 99 and his normal temp is pretty low, no more than 97 usually.

 

My son takes Milk Thistle with his protocol.  The liver can get overloaded if you do to much so that's were the milk thistle comes in.  It basically helps the liver.  My son is 20 months old and he gets one capsule milk thistle 100 mg from kirkman a night.  Again I would try to ask your doctor also, I personally don't feel comfortable enough to really tell people what to take.  But Milk thistle really just helps the liver in the process of detoxing.... lots of water also I would reccomend. 

 

NO TYLENOL.... I would use motrin if you have to.  Tylenol shuts down the detoxification pathways in the liver which rids the body of poisons.....

That was one of the first things I learned.   Tylenol is just no good for our kids.  Of course if your at a point were you have no choice to use it, then use it but I would stick with Motrin.  And make sure its dye free motrin.  I'm not sure if your son can take regular motrin but I know they had a recent recall at mcneill so check that also. 

 

 

One last post for the night - milk thistle

 

My husband, who knows pretty much nothing about chelation or autism stuff other than what I feed to him, is interested in giving my son(3.5) milk thistle. This was his idea last week, unrelated to autism, just because we give my son tylenol " a lot " (I don't think so, but he does) I was worried about giving it to a pre-schooler until I saw that it was effective in drawing out mercury too. 

My son didn't have regressive symptoms, but then again we are slow-vaccinators, so I wouldn't really think the vax were the reason for his odd behavior. (I am more thinking it's a b12 deficiency/poor absorption)

Since I have seen the milk thistle being used for autism now, can you tell me the negative side effects your child experienced while it was drawing out toxins? Right now his " unacceptable behaviors " are running away and escaping from pre-k, in general not-listening/lack of discipline, mouthing any object (including the licking behavior I mentioned earlier today) He toe-walks and has food aversions, but these are not big deals here. (The food aversions I've been able to work with him on but that might be due to the b12 supp??)

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Toni

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

Hi. Just a suggestion -- low temps can mean thyroid issues. It's a simple

blood test, and the results always come back quick. Insurance usually pays for

it. Next time he's doing a blood draw, have them take a vile for that.

My brother (25) gets this done about every 2 months now because he was on the

highest dose, and now (after 6 months on diet/etc) he is now at a half dose.

Too low, or too high can cause moodiness and a whole host of issues.

Thought I would throw it out there...

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> >

> >

> > My son takes Milk Thistle with his protocol. The liver can get overloaded

> > if you do to much so that's were the milk thistle comes in. It basically

> > helps the liver. My son is 20 months old and he gets one capsule milk

> > thistle 100 mg from kirkman a night. Again I would try to ask your doctor

> > also, I personally don't feel comfortable enough to really tell people what

> > to take. But Milk thistle really just helps the liver in the process of

> > detoxing.... lots of water also I would reccomend.

> >

> > NO TYLENOL.... I would use motrin if you have to. Tylenol shuts down the

> > detoxification pathways in the liver which rids the body of poisons.....

> > That was one of the first things I learned. Tylenol is just no good for

> > our kids. Of course if your at a point were you have no choice to use it,

> > then use it but I would stick with Motrin. And make sure its dye free

> > motrin. I'm not sure if your son can take regular motrin but I know they

> > had a recent recall at mcneill so check that also.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > One last post for the night - milk thistle

> >

> >

> > My husband, who knows pretty much nothing about chelation or autism stuff

> > other than what I feed to him, is interested in giving my son(3.5) milk

> > thistle. This was his idea last week, unrelated to autism, just because we

> > give my son tylenol " a lot " (I don't think so, but he does) I was worried

> > about giving it to a pre-schooler until I saw that it was effective in

> > drawing out mercury too.

> >

> > My son didn't have regressive symptoms, but then again we are

> > slow-vaccinators, so I wouldn't really think the vax were the reason for his

> > odd behavior. (I am more thinking it's a b12 deficiency/poor absorption)

> >

> > Since I have seen the milk thistle being used for autism now, can you

> > tell me the negative side effects your child experienced while it was

> > drawing out toxins? Right now his " unacceptable behaviors " are running away

> > and escaping from pre-k, in general not-listening/lack of discipline,

> > mouthing any object (including the licking behavior I mentioned earlier

> > today) He toe-walks and has food aversions, but these are not big deals

> > here. (The food aversions I've been able to work with him on but that might

> > be due to the b12 supp??)

> >

> > --

> > Toni

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks .... I didn't know that about low temps and thyroid. My sons temp is usually 97 and 99 is high for him (at least I think so) cause he doesn't get many fevers at all. But I'm going to ask the doc. to check that next blood work also.

One last post for the night - milk thistle

> >

> >

> > My husband, who knows pretty much nothing about chelation or autism stuff

> > other than what I feed to him, is interested in giving my son(3.5) milk

> > thistle. This was his idea last week, unrelated to autism, just because we

> > give my son tylenol "a lot" (I don't think so, but he does) I was worried

> > about giving it to a pre-schooler until I saw that it was effective in

> > drawing out mercury too.

> >

> > My son didn't have regressive symptoms, but then again we are

> > slow-vaccinators, so I wouldn't really think the vax were the reason for his

> > odd behavior. (I am more thinking it's a b12 deficiency/poor absorption)

> >

> > Since I have seen the milk thistle being used for autism now, can you

> > tell me the negative side effects your child experienced while it was

> > drawing out toxins? Right now his "unacceptable behaviors" are running away

> > and escaping from pre-k, in general not-listening/lack of discipline,

> > mouthing any object (including the licking behavior I mentioned earlier

> > today) He toe-walks and has food aversions, but these are not big deals

> > here. (The food aversions I've been able to work with him on but that might

> > be due to the b12 supp??)

> >

> > --

> > Toni

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

if you " google " -- thyroid and copper -- it explains the relationship between

your thyroid working properly and too much copper. (as most of our

kids/brothers) have this issue. When I started Rob (my 25 year old brother) on

a zinc supplement (I got it from specialty compounding, prescribed by my DAN),

within a month, I noticed he was acting " weird " --and I had a hunch it was his

thyroid. Turns out, his medication was WAY WAY too high now.

For a 20 month old (which is what I think you said you have) -- I would be real

hesitant to put him on such a drug like Synthyroid. There are other methods you

should try first should this be the issue.

One thing I found with my 3 yr old - once I started supplementing zinc -- he was

a much less picky eater, and started eating meat. I think the zinc/copper ratio

is an important one in this protocol. I saw great and some pretty immediate

results when I started to deal with this ratio. It's so hard when they are

young, as they can't tell you what is happening. ~lg

And I just started my child on milk thistle...I think we are going to put him on

Diflucan, and I wanted to support his liver. I have also read that dandelion is

also a good detoxifier (along w/lemon juice and water.)

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> > >

> > >

> > > My son takes Milk Thistle with his protocol. The liver can get overloaded

> > > if you do to much so that's were the milk thistle comes in. It basically

> > > helps the liver. My son is 20 months old and he gets one capsule milk

> > > thistle 100 mg from kirkman a night. Again I would try to ask your doctor

> > > also, I personally don't feel comfortable enough to really tell people

what

> > > to take. But Milk thistle really just helps the liver in the process of

> > > detoxing.... lots of water also I would reccomend.

> > >

> > > NO TYLENOL.... I would use motrin if you have to. Tylenol shuts down the

> > > detoxification pathways in the liver which rids the body of poisons.....

> > > That was one of the first things I learned. Tylenol is just no good for

> > > our kids. Of course if your at a point were you have no choice to use it,

> > > then use it but I would stick with Motrin. And make sure its dye free

> > > motrin. I'm not sure if your son can take regular motrin but I know they

> > > had a recent recall at mcneill so check that also.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > One last post for the night - milk thistle

> > >

> > >

> > > My husband, who knows pretty much nothing about chelation or autism stuff

> > > other than what I feed to him, is interested in giving my son(3.5) milk

> > > thistle. This was his idea last week, unrelated to autism, just because we

> > > give my son tylenol " a lot " (I don't think so, but he does) I was worried

> > > about giving it to a pre-schooler until I saw that it was effective in

> > > drawing out mercury too.

> > >

> > > My son didn't have regressive symptoms, but then again we are

> > > slow-vaccinators, so I wouldn't really think the vax were the reason for

his

> > > odd behavior. (I am more thinking it's a b12 deficiency/poor absorption)

> > >

> > > Since I have seen the milk thistle being used for autism now, can you

> > > tell me the negative side effects your child experienced while it was

> > > drawing out toxins? Right now his " unacceptable behaviors " are running

away

> > > and escaping from pre-k, in general not-listening/lack of discipline,

> > > mouthing any object (including the licking behavior I mentioned earlier

> > > today) He toe-walks and has food aversions, but these are not big deals

> > > here. (The food aversions I've been able to work with him on but that

might

> > > be due to the b12 supp??)

> > >

> > > --

> > > Toni

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Toni

> >

> > ------

> > Mind like a steel trap...

> > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

For your reference:

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/tylenol_depletes_glutathione.html

>

> Thanks. I will make sure I stick to motrin (when he's really sick we give

> him motrin-tylenol to keep the fever down)...

[Guest guest]

don't feel bad in anyway Toni... it's all a learning process also... I just recently found this all out a couple of months ago myself and I felt the same way... only if???

Re: Re: One last post for the night - milk thistle

Thanks! Gosh, wish I had seen that when I was getting them their vax. We always pre-medicated at shot visits, but ALWAYS with tylenol. Doh.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Fitzenreiter <thefitzenreiterfamily> wrote:

For your reference:

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/tylenol_depletes_glutathione.html

>

> Thanks. I will make sure I stick to motrin (when he's really sick we give

> him motrin-tylenol to keep the fever down)...

--

Toni

------

Mind like a steel trap...

Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

I just googled " glutathione depletion " and " seizures " and found this http://immunocal.tv/pdf/SEIZURES.pdfwhich is citing that glutathione depletion can cause seizures...

While this makes me sad to not have known any of this, it makes me happy to think that maybe I can " treat " my son's febrile seizure disorder by just getting his diet and vitamins in order.

Thanks again!

 

don't feel bad in anyway Toni... it's all a learning process also... I just recently found this all out a couple of months ago myself and I felt the same way... only if???

 

Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

In the past, I've used Lifewave Glutathione patches to increase Glutathione. They're not a trans-dermal medication patch, but work on the principals in Accuppressure to help the body increase Glutathione naturally. I just re-started my son on them after about a year off, mainly because I couldn't afford them. All I can say is wow! They really make a differenece.

Anyway, this may be something you want to consider using. I'm not a distributor for this product, just a consumer.

Kim

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 3:25:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: One last post for the night - milk thistle

I just googled "glutathione depletion" and "seizures" and found this http://immunocal. tv/pdf/SEIZURES. pdf

which is citing that glutathione depletion can cause seizures...

While this makes me sad to not have known any of this, it makes me happy to think that maybe I can "treat" my son's febrile seizure disorder by just getting his diet and vitamins in order.

Thanks again!

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:59 PM, <pappygerlaol (DOT) com> wrote:

don't feel bad in anyway Toni... it's all a learning process also... I just recently found this all out a couple of months ago myself and I felt the same way... only if???

Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

Hi. My brother (25 yrs old) got the glutathione cream (prescription) , and I

also give him this stuff (you can buy on-line) called " Intestinew " (in his

" fiber drink " ). He was WAYYY low. I am not sure if this helped, however, with

all the other stuff I am doing, he hasn't hit a plateau yet....

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> >

> > don't feel bad in anyway Toni... it's all a learning process also... I just

> > recently found this all out a couple of months ago myself and I felt the

> > same way... only if???

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

A lot of " mainstream " Doc's just repeat what has been told to them without any

research into any subject. I can't tell you how many told me to use Tylenol and

Motrin etc...There's a learning curve, you'll be a pro in a few months!!

> >

> > Thanks. I will make sure I stick to motrin (when he's really sick we give

>

> > him motrin-tylenol to keep the fever down)...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

Of course. I did, too. That's what the ped and the parenting mags said to do.

CGF

> > >

> > > Thanks. I will make sure I stick to motrin (when he's really sick we give

> > > him motrin-tylenol to keep the fever down)...