Guest guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 I spoke to nada on Friday and she told me she can barely raise her right arm (she is right handed) and has a lump under her armpit the size of a goose egg. Since she is not only prone to exaggeration to get sympathy but also outright lies as she lives in her own fantasy world of her own making, I didn't believe her. The last time she had a lump like this it was behind her right knee about a year ago. Of course she didn't tell her doctor even though she said at the time she could 'barely walk'. It WAS confirmed she had this lump by her neighbor and a saintly woman for continuing all this time to take nada out grocery shopping and to the bank etc., but anyway. This woman is lucid, in the real world and not a BPD nor is she demented so I can believe what she tells me. Nada does not know that we talk on the phone weekly or more often if things are going on with nada that I want to know the truth about. Anyway the other goose egg behind her leg remained and even though nada was afraid that it was cancer and she was seeing her doctor in a few days at the time, she never mentioned it for fear of them 'putting her in a nursing home'. At the time she was still allowing blood tests to be done, which she hasn't been since then even though she has diabetes which is uncontrolled also. Nor does she check her own blood daily of course. Anyway even though the doctor called me then to tell me that she did NOT like the looks of her blood tests and told nada she needed to go for more blood work, my nada refused so the doctor had called me to 'convince her'. Good luck on convincing nada to do ANYTHING nada doesn't want to do anyway and if it comes from me 'the moron' who is 'the stupidest person in the U.S.A.' then of course nada won't listen. Flash forward to the present. She now has another lump under her right arm which just blew up out of nowhere and is also into the right breast. I called her neighbor/volunteer helper Kathy Saturday morning who told me that nada in fact DOES have the lump as my nada had shown her and of course Kathy tried to convince nada to go to the Emergency Room immediately - she'd take her - to find out what it is. Nada told Kathy and myself on the phone that she does not EVER want to be put in the hospital let alone go there willingly as they will put her in a nursing home if she does. Kathy dropped the subject as she knows there is no talking to nada once she makes up her mind about anything. Nada has all the symptoms this past year of having lymphoma and Kathy told me she is also throwing up almost everything she eats now daily (nada WAS throwing up blood for 4 months before she said anything to her doctor and even then told the doctor it was 'just regular throw up' but it really looked like 'dark coffee grounds' which Kathy had witnessed after going out to lunch with nada on a few occasions and cleaning it up for nada at that point as nada was in sad shape. Of course there is nothing any of us can do to force nada to do what is right and my nurse practitioner/mental health therapist friend up here tells me that nada most likely HAS lymphoma at stage 4 at this point and only 2 to 4 months to live is her guess. We all thought stomach cancer before, but who knows. My question is if nada asks me for advice on whether or not she should tell her doctor, what should I say? Kathy asked me the same question on Saturday and I told Kathy for her part, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't so tell nada it is her choice. Nada said she thinks she has cancer and if she does, she does not want any medications, chemo, radiation and of course never mentioned surgery but as she needs a knee cap replacement also and when her doctor mentioned that to me awhile ago I asked if nada would make it through the surgery in her very poor condition with a bad heart, uncontrolled diabetes, hypertension and add rheumatoid arthritis to the mix (these are the ailments the doctor knows about) and she said no so I told this doctor, what's the point then. Nada can hardly walk now according to Kathy and only with extreme difficulty; nada is 70 lbs. underweight and the doctor is giving her some vitamin they only give to anorexics my mental health therapist friend told me (her background prior to that was an R.N. on a cancer ward, in E.R. and on the geriatrics floor before taking more schooling/training and becoming a mental health therapist/nurse practitioner. Nada was given 17 prescriptions last time she went to the doctor for vomiting/nausea; diabetes; etc but nada told me the doctor is trying to kill her because she can't get her in a nursing home to make even more $ off her so she takes only 3 of the 17 pills that are prescribed because 'she likes the sounds of the names of those'. At this point it is an anti-climax for me with nada if she does have lymphoma which there is no other explanation for that lump my friend says with her symptoms and given all her history etc. that's what she most likely has. Part of me feels guilty for not even crying that nada is probably finally dying at a quicker rate and these ARE the final days also which doesn't help. I convinced myself that she is better off as the quality of life means a lot and she won't GET better. She has been a thorn in my side obviously all my life in most ways but it's not about me. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 my nada had lymphoma...TWICE !!! once in 1992 the other time 2004...and yet she still lives !! she's so mean, even cancer cant killer !! I've had lymph nodes swell up...and be rock hard...from a tick bite... Jackie I spoke to nada on Friday and she told me she can barely raise her right arm (she is right handed) and has a lump under her armpit the size of a goose egg. Since she is not only prone to exaggeration to get sympathy but also outright lies as she lives in her own fantasy world of her own making, I didn't believe her. The last time she had a lump like this it was behind her right knee about a year ago. Of course she didn't tell her doctor even though she said at the time she could 'barely walk'. It WAS confirmed she had this lump by her neighbor and a saintly woman for continuing all this time to take nada out grocery shopping and to the bank etc., but anyway. This woman is lucid, in the real world and not a BPD nor is she demented so I can believe what she tells me. Nada does not know that we talk on the phone weekly or more often if things are going on with nada that I want to know the truth about. Anyway the other goose egg behind her leg remained and even though nada was afraid that it was cancer and she was seeing her doctor in a few days at the time, she never mentioned it for fear of them 'putting her in a nursing home'. At the time she was still allowing blood tests to be done, which she hasn't been since then even though she has diabetes which is uncontrolled also. Nor does she check her own blood daily of course. Anyway even though the doctor called me then to tell me that she did NOT like the looks of her blood tests and told nada she needed to go for more blood work, my nada refused so the doctor had called me to 'convince her'. Good luck on convincing nada to do ANYTHING nada doesn't want to do anyway and if it comes from me 'the moron' who is 'the stupidest person in the U.S.A.' then of course nada won't listen. Flash forward to the present. She now has another lump under her right arm which just blew up out of nowhere and is also into the right breast. I called her neighbor/volunteer helper Kathy Saturday morning who told me that nada in fact DOES have the lump as my nada had shown her and of course Kathy tried to convince nada to go to the Emergency Room immediately - she'd take her - to find out what it is. Nada told Kathy and myself on the phone that she does not EVER want to be put in the hospital let alone go there willingly as they will put her in a nursing home if she does. Kathy dropped the subject as she knows there is no talking to nada once she makes up her mind about anything. Nada has all the symptoms this past year of having lymphoma and Kathy told me she is also throwing up almost everything she eats now daily (nada WAS throwing up blood for 4 months before she said anything to her doctor and even then told the doctor it was 'just regular throw up' but it really looked like 'dark coffee grounds' which Kathy had witnessed after going out to lunch with nada on a few occasions and cleaning it up for nada at that point as nada was in sad shape. Of course there is nothing any of us can do to force nada to do what is right and my nurse practitioner/mental health therapist friend up here tells me that nada most likely HAS lymphoma at stage 4 at this point and only 2 to 4 months to live is her guess. We all thought stomach cancer before, but who knows. My question is if nada asks me for advice on whether or not she should tell her doctor, what should I say? Kathy asked me the same question on Saturday and I told Kathy for her part, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't so tell nada it is her choice. Nada said she thinks she has cancer and if she does, she does not want any medications, chemo, radiation and of course never mentioned surgery but as she needs a knee cap replacement also and when her doctor mentioned that to me awhile ago I asked if nada would make it through the surgery in her very poor condition with a bad heart, uncontrolled diabetes, hypertension and add rheumatoid arthritis to the mix (these are the ailments the doctor knows about) and she said no so I told this doctor, what's the point then. Nada can hardly walk now according to Kathy and only with extreme difficulty; nada is 70 lbs. underweight and the doctor is giving her some vitamin they only give to anorexics my mental health therapist friend told me (her background prior to that was an R.N. on a cancer ward, in E.R. and on the geriatrics floor before taking more schooling/training and becoming a mental health therapist/nurse practitioner. Nada was given 17 prescriptions last time she went to the doctor for vomiting/nausea; diabetes; etc but nada told me the doctor is trying to kill her because she can't get her in a nursing home to make even more $ off her so she takes only 3 of the 17 pills that are prescribed because 'she likes the sounds of the names of those'. At this point it is an anti-climax for me with nada if she does have lymphoma which there is no other explanation for that lump my friend says with her symptoms and given all her history etc. that's what she most likely has. Part of me feels guilty for not even crying that nada is probably finally dying at a quicker rate and these ARE the final days also which doesn't help. I convinced myself that she is better off as the quality of life means a lot and she won't GET better. She has been a thorn in my side obviously all my life in most ways but it's not about me. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Marilyn quite honestly it sounds like she has been trying to go for a very long time. Maybe she can finally get some peace when she does. I'm sorry it all has to be this way for you. > > I spoke to nada on Friday and she told me she can barely raise her right arm (she is right handed) and has a lump under her armpit the size of a goose egg. Since she is not only prone to exaggeration to get sympathy but also outright lies as she lives in her own fantasy world of her own making, I didn't believe her. The last time she had a lump like this it was behind her right knee about a year ago. Of course she didn't tell her doctor even though she said at the time she could 'barely walk'. It WAS confirmed she had this lump by her neighbor and a saintly woman for continuing all this time to take nada out grocery shopping and to the bank etc., but anyway. This woman is lucid, in the real world and not a BPD nor is she demented so I can believe what she tells me. Nada does not know that we talk on the phone weekly or more often if things are going on with nada that I want to know the truth about. Anyway the other goose egg behind her leg remained and even though nada was afraid that it was cancer and she was seeing her doctor in a few days at the time, she never mentioned it for fear of them 'putting her in a nursing home'. At the time she was still allowing blood tests to be done, which she hasn't been since then even though she has diabetes which is uncontrolled also. Nor does she check her own blood daily of course. Anyway even though the doctor called me then to tell me that she did NOT like the looks of her blood tests and told nada she needed to go for more blood work, my nada refused so the doctor had called me to 'convince her'. Good luck on convincing nada to do ANYTHING nada doesn't want to do anyway and if it comes from me 'the moron' who is 'the stupidest person in the U.S.A.' then of course nada won't listen. Flash forward to the present. She now has another lump under her right arm which just blew up out of nowhere and is also into the right breast. I called her neighbor/volunteer helper Kathy Saturday morning who told me that nada in fact DOES have the lump as my nada had shown her and of course Kathy tried to convince nada to go to the Emergency Room immediately - she'd take her - to find out what it is. Nada told Kathy and myself on the phone that she does not EVER want to be put in the hospital let alone go there willingly as they will put her in a nursing home if she does. Kathy dropped the subject as she knows there is no talking to nada once she makes up her mind about anything. > > Nada has all the symptoms this past year of having lymphoma and Kathy told me she is also throwing up almost everything she eats now daily (nada WAS throwing up blood for 4 months before she said anything to her doctor and even then told the doctor it was 'just regular throw up' but it really looked like 'dark coffee grounds' which Kathy had witnessed after going out to lunch with nada on a few occasions and cleaning it up for nada at that point as nada was in sad shape. > > Of course there is nothing any of us can do to force nada to do what is right and my nurse practitioner/mental health therapist friend up here tells me that nada most likely HAS lymphoma at stage 4 at this point and only 2 to 4 months to live is her guess. We all thought stomach cancer before, but who knows. > > My question is if nada asks me for advice on whether or not she should tell her doctor, what should I say? Kathy asked me the same question on Saturday and I told Kathy for her part, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't so tell nada it is her choice. Nada said she thinks she has cancer and if she does, she does not want any medications, chemo, radiation and of course never mentioned surgery but as she needs a knee cap replacement also and when her doctor mentioned that to me awhile ago I asked if nada would make it through the surgery in her very poor condition with a bad heart, uncontrolled diabetes, hypertension and add rheumatoid arthritis to the mix (these are the ailments the doctor knows about) and she said no so I told this doctor, what's the point then. > > Nada can hardly walk now according to Kathy and only with extreme difficulty; nada is 70 lbs. underweight and the doctor is giving her some vitamin they only give to anorexics my mental health therapist friend told me (her background prior to that was an R.N. on a cancer ward, in E.R. and on the geriatrics floor before taking more schooling/training and becoming a mental health therapist/nurse practitioner. Nada was given 17 prescriptions last time she went to the doctor for vomiting/nausea; diabetes; etc but nada told me the doctor is trying to kill her because she can't get her in a nursing home to make even more $ off her so she takes only 3 of the 17 pills that are prescribed because 'she likes the sounds of the names of those'. > > At this point it is an anti-climax for me with nada if she does have lymphoma which there is no other explanation for that lump my friend says with her symptoms and given all her history etc. that's what she most likely has. Part of me feels guilty for not even crying that nada is probably finally dying at a quicker rate and these ARE the final days also which doesn't help. I convinced myself that she is better off as the quality of life means a lot and she won't GET better. She has been a thorn in my side obviously all my life in most ways but it's not about me. Any suggestions? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Marilyn, Let go of the guilt. NONE of this is your fault. You are right to stay where you are and not rush to her side. That is an impossibility in the world of a KO and a nada like yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 I feel that way about my mother-in-law. She has supposedly had breast cancer. She lies really bad so it's not proveable but she told everyone she used herbal remedies and cured herself, lol. I'm seriously doubtful she ever had cancer. In a message dated 6/7/2010 11:06:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sleddog@... writes: my nada had lymphoma...TWICE !!! once in 1992 the other time 2004...and yet she still lives !! she's so mean, even cancer cant killer !! I've had lymph nodes swell up...and be rock hard...from a tick bite... Jackie I spoke to nada on Friday and she told me she can barely raise her right arm (she is right handed) and has a lump under her armpit the size of a goose egg. Since she is not only prone to exaggeration to get sympathy but also outright lies as she lives in her own fantasy world of her own making, I didn't believe her. The last time she had a lump like this it was behind her right knee about a year ago. Of course she didn't tell her doctor even though she said at the time she could 'barely walk'. It WAS confirmed she had this lump by her neighbor and a saintly woman for continuing all this time to take nada out grocery shopping and to the bank etc., but anyway. This woman is lucid, in the real world and not a BPD nor is she demented so I can believe what she tells me. Nada does not know that we talk on the phone weekly or more often if things are going on with nada that I want to know the truth about. Anyway the other goose egg behind her leg remained and even though nada was afraid that it was cancer and she was seeing her doctor in a few days at the time, she never mentioned it for fear of them 'putting her in a nursing home'. At the time she was still allowing blood tests to be done, which she hasn't been since then even though she has diabetes which is uncontrolled also. Nor does she check her own blood daily of course. Anyway even though the doctor called me then to tell me that she did NOT like the looks of her blood tests and told nada she needed to go for more blood work, my nada refused so the doctor had called me to 'convince her'. Good luck on convincing nada to do ANYTHING nada doesn't want to do anyway and if it comes from me 'the moron' who is 'the stupidest person in the U.S.A.' then of course nada won't listen. Flash forward to the present. She now has another lump under her right arm which just blew up out of nowhere and is also into the right breast. I called her neighbor/volunteer helper Kathy Saturday morning who told me that nada in fact DOES have the lump as my nada had shown her and of course Kathy tried to convince nada to go to the Emergency Room immediately - she'd take her - to find out what it is. Nada told Kathy and myself on the phone that she does not EVER want to be put in the hospital let alone go there willingly as they will put her in a nursing home if she does. Kathy dropped the subject as she knows there is no talking to nada once she makes up her mind about anything. Nada has all the symptoms this past year of having lymphoma and Kathy told me she is also throwing up almost everything she eats now daily (nada WAS throwing up blood for 4 months before she said anything to her doctor and even then told the doctor it was 'just regular throw up' but it really looked like 'dark coffee grounds' which Kathy had witnessed after going out to lunch with nada on a few occasions and cleaning it up for nada at that point as nada was in sad shape. Of course there is nothing any of us can do to force nada to do what is right and my nurse practitioner/mental health therapist friend up here tells me that nada most likely HAS lymphoma at stage 4 at this point and only 2 to 4 months to live is her guess. We all thought stomach cancer before, but who knows. My question is if nada asks me for advice on whether or not she should tell her doctor, what should I say? Kathy asked me the same question on Saturday and I told Kathy for her part, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't so tell nada it is her choice. Nada said she thinks she has cancer and if she does, she does not want any medications, chemo, radiation and of course never mentioned surgery but as she needs a knee cap replacement also and when her doctor mentioned that to me awhile ago I asked if nada would make it through the surgery in her very poor condition with a bad heart, uncontrolled diabetes, hypertension and add rheumatoid arthritis to the mix (these are the ailments the doctor knows about) and she said no so I told this doctor, what's the point then. Nada can hardly walk now according to Kathy and only with extreme difficulty; nada is 70 lbs. underweight and the doctor is giving her some vitamin they only give to anorexics my mental health therapist friend told me (her background prior to that was an R.N. on a cancer ward, in E.R. and on the geriatrics floor before taking more schooling/training and becoming a mental health therapist/nurse practitioner. Nada was given 17 prescriptions last time she went to the doctor for vomiting/nausea; diabetes; etc but nada told me the doctor is trying to kill her because she can't get her in a nursing home to make even more $ off her so she takes only 3 of the 17 pills that are prescribed because 'she likes the sounds of the names of those'. At this point it is an anti-climax for me with nada if she does have lymphoma which there is no other explanation for that lump my friend says with her symptoms and given all her history etc. that's what she most likely has. Part of me feels guilty for not even crying that nada is probably finally dying at a quicker rate and these ARE the final days also which doesn't help. I convinced myself that she is better off as the quality of life means a lot and she won't GET better. She has been a thorn in my side obviously all my life in most ways but it's not about me. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 if she felt anything, it was probably a cyst...I know my mother did have cancer at least once, because I was there and drove her to her chemo treatments...had I not done this, I'm not so sure I would have believed she had it. my nada claims HER mother had breast cancer ( this would have been in the the 1920's 1930's) she had no surgery, of course there was no chemo back then, and no radiation..yet nadas mother was fine and lived to be 88 and died in 1962....so I dont think she had breast cancer... Jackie I feel that way about my mother-in-law. She has supposedly had breast cancer. She lies really bad so it's not proveable but she told everyone she used herbal remedies and cured herself, lol. I'm seriously doubtful she ever had cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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