Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help PLss

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The way I understand it is that the mouth nerves are waking up. Maybe it's taken all this time to detox to where the b12 is helping the nerves wake? I really don't know for sure, I am new here. Just throwing that out there. 

Best of luck. We are only using mb12 sublingually and it made my 3.5 y. son over the top this week, aggression, throwing furniture, biting, running away and mouthing everything (he was licking the mat at karate class, nice!) So we are easing back on the dosage because these side effects have reached the not-tolerable threshold. 

 

Hi all need your opinion.

My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent....pls give me some ideas....

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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Thanks anyway. Hmmm...Its just making me wonder if I really am on the right track (sighh)Rafidah.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, 7 March, 2010 0:17:45Subject: Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help

PLss

The way I understand it is that the mouth nerves are waking up. Maybe it's taken all this time to detox to where the b12 is helping the nerves wake? I really don't know for sure, I am new here. Just throwing that out there.

Best of luck. We are only using mb12 sublingually and it made my 3.5 y. son over the top this week, aggression, throwing furniture, biting, running away and mouthing everything (he was licking the mat at karate class, nice!) So we are easing back on the dosage because these side effects have reached the not-tolerable threshold.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM, rafidah r <rrafidahyahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Hi all need your opinion.

My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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could be yeast in the brain. you'll need a different type of anti fungal for that. nystatin will only treat the gut.Sent from my iPhone

Thanks anyway. Hmmm...Its just making me wonder if I really am on the right track (sighh)Rafidah.From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, 7 March, 2010 0:17:45Subject: Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help

PLss

The way I understand it is that the mouth nerves are waking up. Maybe it's taken all this time to detox to where the b12 is helping the nerves wake? I really don't know for sure, I am new here. Just throwing that out there.

Best of luck. We are only using mb12 sublingually and it made my 3.5 y. son over the top this week, aggression, throwing furniture, biting, running away and mouthing everything (he was licking the mat at karate class, nice!) So we are easing back on the dosage because these side effects have reached the not-tolerable threshold.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM, rafidah r <rrafidahyahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Hi all need your opinion.

My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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Is this more reassuring? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5v1pijQw8IOn Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:49 AM, rafidah ramly wrote:

 

Thanks anyway.  Hmmm...Its just making me wonder if I really am on the right track (sighh)Rafidah.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, 7 March, 2010 0:17:45

Subject: Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help

PLss

 

The way I understand it is that the mouth nerves are waking up. Maybe it's taken all this time to detox to where the b12 is helping the nerves wake? I really don't know for sure, I am new here. Just throwing that out there. 

Best of luck. We are only using mb12 sublingually and it made my 3.5 y. son over the top this week, aggression, throwing furniture, biting, running away and mouthing everything (he was licking the mat at karate class, nice!) So we are easing back on the dosage because these side effects have reached the not-tolerable  threshold. 

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM, rafidah r <rrafidahyahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

 

Hi all need your opinion.

My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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MB12 can cause yeast and I would bet that the Nystatin isn't strong enough. I would guess, at this point, she probably needs a round of a systemic antifungal.That's my best non medical professional guess with the information given.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

Hi all need your opinion.

My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent....pls give me some ideas....

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Great link, thanks...made me feel so much better. Not the time to gv up yet obviously =) To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, 7 March, 2010 0:58:41Subject: Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help PLss

Is this more reassuring? http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=X5v1pijQw8IOn Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:49 AM, rafidah ramly <rrafidahyahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Thanks anyway. Hmmm...Its just making me wonder if I really am on the right track (sighh)Rafidah.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, 7 March, 2010 0:17:45

Subject: Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help

PLss

The way I understand it is that the mouth nerves are waking up. Maybe it's taken all this time to detox to where the b12 is helping the nerves wake? I really don't know for sure, I am new here. Just throwing that out there.

Best of luck. We are only using mb12 sublingually and it made my 3.5 y. son over the top this week, aggression, throwing furniture, biting, running away and mouthing everything (he was licking the mat at karate class, nice!) So we are easing back on the dosage because these side effects have reached the not-tolerable threshold.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM, rafidah r <rrafidahyahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Hi all need your opinion.

My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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I concur ;)Sent from my iPhone

MB12 can cause yeast and I would bet that the Nystatin isn't strong enough. I would guess, at this point, she probably needs a round of a systemic antifungal.That's my best non medical professional guess with the information given.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

Hi all need your opinion.

My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent....pls give me some ideas....

[Guest guest]

I agree as well, because chelation stirs up yeast as well. Probably need something stronger than nystatin

Hi all need your opinion. My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

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Need some clarification. Systematic anti fungal means how? Can using prolonged high dose abt 1,200,000 iu daily of Nystatin do the trick? I hear its not absorbed in the body and will be ok for very long term use compared to the nastier Difflucan and all.....To: "mb12 valtrex " <mb12 valtrex >Sent: Sun, 7 March, 2010 1:50:40Subject: Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help PLss

I concur ;)Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 6, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Cheryl Lowrance <cheryl.lowrance@ gmail.com> wrote:

MB12 can cause yeast and I would bet that the Nystatin isn't strong enough. I would guess, at this point, she probably needs a round of a systemic antifungal.That's my best non medical professional guess with the information given.

Cheryl~http://www. gryffins- tail.blogspot. com~@midian42~

Hi all need your opinion.

My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

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it will ONLY work in the GI tract where it touches, which is why many need the diflucan to work in lymph, brain and blood

Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help PLss

I concur ;)Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Cheryl Lowrance <cheryl.lowrance@ gmail.com> wrote:

MB12 can cause yeast and I would bet that the Nystatin isn't strong enough. I would guess, at this point, she probably needs a round of a systemic antifungal.

That's my best non medical professional guess with the information given.

Cheryl

~http://www. gryffins- tail.blogspot. com

~@midian42~

Hi all need your opinion. My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

[Guest guest]

Nystatin is non-systemic. Systemic is diflucan or nizoral. *sigh* I don't know why this is such an issue with people saying it's horrible and nasty. Is it better to have yeast running around rampant and causing all kinds of behavioral issues or is it better to get rid of it? A systemic antifungal is stronger and has more potential for toxicity, yes. But if you are taking proper care and monitoring liver function, the probability of anything happening other than needing to stop is pretty slim. And if you aren't on an antiviral, you don't need to be on it long term. A round or two should do it. And if you are going by rounds, you don't even need to pull liver function because you won't be on it long enough to cause any damage. I believe one round is 2 weeks. I've never done rounds before, my son has been on antifungals/antivirals since he was 3 and he's 6 now.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

Need some clarification. Systematic anti fungal means how? Can using prolonged high dose abt 1,200,000 iu daily of Nystatin do the trick? I hear its not absorbed in the body and will be ok for very long term use compared to the nastier Difflucan and all.....From: TRACEE ZEVAN To: "mb12 valtrex " <mb12 valtrex >Sent: Sun, 7 March, 2010 1:50:40Subject: Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help PLss

I concur ;)Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 6, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Cheryl Lowrance <cheryl.lowrance@ gmail.com> wrote:

MB12 can cause yeast and I would bet that the Nystatin isn't strong enough. I would guess, at this point, she probably needs a round of a systemic antifungal.That's my best non medical professional guess with the information given.

Cheryl~http://www. gryffins- tail.blogspot. com~@midian42~

Hi all need your opinion.

My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

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Hi, get on a strong rx for yeast NOW!!!!! Please!!!!! We had the same thing and

the naturals and nystatin didn't keep it at bay with the mb12 and chelation. We

are doing diflucan right now which seems to help really well. I have read it

helps the yeast in the brain. We have also done nizoral and it's great too. My

DAN was trying to get us to do enhansa with the valtrex instead of the rx anti

fungals but as an RN I know how bad yeast can be for my elder patients so we do

valtex with diflucan. I get a liver panel on my son every once in a while but

the milk thistle seems to help that. Just get on a yeast killer that can

actually do it's job not one that sits in the gut ( and a messy gut at that). We

also keep the carbs at a low limit, no sugar and strick GFCFSF low phenols,

pears are the only fruit.

Hope this helps, good luck. Sound like u r on a good track stick with it!!!!!

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> My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are

doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals

with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first

started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you

think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I

have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium

powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that

bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

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Thanks. Will do that, as soon as I can. You guys are great help...Btw, I am from Malaysia. Know where that is? Hahaha....We fly to see our DAN doctor in Jakarta every 2 months. She is a great Level II DAN doctor =) Everything we get here we import from the US. So you can imagine the costs. The shipping cost is higher than the supplements themselves but we do what we got to do, so, God help us!! =(You guys are much luckier with so much more resources at yr disposal....To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, 7 March, 2010 15:39:22Subject: Re: Persistent Mouthing Issues - Need Help PLss

Hi, get on a strong rx for yeast NOW!!!!! Please!!!!! We had the same thing and the naturals and nystatin didn't keep it at bay with the mb12 and chelation. We are doing diflucan right now which seems to help really well. I have read it helps the yeast in the brain. We have also done nizoral and it's great too. My DAN was trying to get us to do enhansa with the valtrex instead of the rx anti fungals but as an RN I know how bad yeast can be for my elder patients so we do valtex with diflucan. I get a liver panel on my son every once in a while but the milk thistle seems to help that. Just get on a yeast killer that can actually do it's job not one that sits in the gut ( and a messy gut at that). We also keep the carbs at a low limit, no sugar and strick GFCFSF low phenols, pears are the only fruit.

Hope this helps, good luck. Sound like u r on a good track stick with it!!!!!

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> My daughter who is a 7 yr old ASD been on biomedical for 4 months now. We are doing all that was asked of us, including B12 shots every 3 days, anti fungals with Nystatin, chelation with DMSA. Her mouthing issues was lesser when we first started bio med but now it become worse and worse. I am worried. What do you think might have triggered it? Can't be minerals deficiencies because I think I have given her more than enough zinc picolinate, magnesium glycinate and calcium powder. What could be wrong? Can't be the B12 shots, why now?...it was not that bad when we started biomed, now its so persistent.. ..pls give me some ideas....

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